Author Topic: Well, just about to get started on my 79 hatchback-long (Read 34727 times)

Bigtimmay · « **Reply #60 on:** July 14, 2010, 04:42:25 PM »

I havent seen a 4.6 in a pinto yet would be pretty cool been trying to talk my bro into puttin a LS1 or 4.6 into his AE86 corrolla. If you do the 4.6 swap you should so go with the 6 speed trans talk about a fast pinto.

russosborne · « **Reply #61 on:** July 14, 2010, 05:26:43 PM »

Well, this one would be coming with the automatic from the car also.
Along with computers, complete wiring harness, fuel tank, dash, steering column, driveshaft, etc. No rear end, but I would like the 8 inch I already have anyway. I probably won't use all it is coming with, but it would be nice to have it all just in case.
Let's just say he is making an offer I can't refuse. If he wasn't drunk or something when he made it.

I did a search, and found a post and a few replies about this from about 4-5 years ago. There is a link to a Mustang II that has one in it and it looks killer. Although that one is a 32valve engine from a Cobra. The one I am maybe getting is from a 96 Mustang GT. So I don't know for sure any details on the engine, but Google here I come. :-)

Russ
Russ

russosborne · « **Reply #62 on:** July 14, 2010, 07:22:13 PM »

The one I may be getting is a 2V engine. Which is ok. Found lots of info on these things, going to take a while to digest. Probably shouldn't get too excited until the parts are in my garage.
Russ' Law-Every silver lining has a cloud.

But boy am I excited just thinking about it!

Russ

Bigtimmay · « **Reply #63 on:** July 15, 2010, 04:20:54 PM »

lol i just read you motor classified im guessing you got that 4.6 to your house?

russosborne · « **Reply #64 on:** July 15, 2010, 04:43:15 PM »

Not yet, a week from this Saturday. But I would like to make room now. I don't have room for 2 engines, much less 3.
But I did confirm that the guy is serious. :-)
Russ

russosborne · « **Reply #65 on:** July 17, 2010, 12:12:28 AM »

How to get a little carried away.
go out to the garage wanting to do one little thing.
Not be able to do the one little thing. (quarter window philip screws on trim won't come off, going to have to grind the heads off).
Decide to work a little more on the windshield removal.
Taking windshield off, and not knowing where to put it.
Take dash bolts out. Some where something is holding the dash in, maybe a missed bolt. Need to go back and review some posts on that.

Did I mention somewhere back in time that I tend to be impatient? :-) But at least I got something needed done. Need to get underneath and pull the gas tank and lines, but still not feeling up to that physically.

I really wasn't planning on taking the windshield all the way off, just wanted to get another side free. Oh, well.

Pictures later this weekend.

Oh, may not be getting engine stuff until the 31. I didn't know he still had to pull it all from the donor car, so I told him I could do it a week later if it was better for him. He is going to let me know.

Put the Ranger engine/trans on Akron Craig's List. For Free. Need all the good karma I can get. :-)

Russ

russosborne · « **Reply #66 on:** July 17, 2010, 12:23:52 AM »

Oh, while I am thinking about it. On this car there were 5 or 6 hex headed screws under the windshield holding the dash. And I think the only way to remove them without taking the windshield out would be to use a flex shaft on a socket. These were 1/4 inch heads also. I tried using a standard nut driver, and at least with my hands I was putting way too much pressure on the windshield. A socket with u-joints might work, but there really isn't much room for anything with the windshield in place.

And I ended up making the most progress with the windshield by using a one sided razor blade, having it between the sealant and the windshield, and pushing it along to cut. I used a screwdriver and a gasket scraper as pushing tools. But I also had removed a whole lot of the sealant around the windshield beforehand, so there wasn't as much for the razor blade to have to move through. And you need enough of a hole to get the razor blade started.

Russ

71pintoracer · « **Reply #67 on:** July 17, 2010, 08:00:03 AM »

Quote from: Bigtimmay on July 14, 2010, 04:42:25 PM

I havent seen a 4.6 in a pinto yet would be pretty cool been trying to talk my bro into puttin a LS1 or 4.6 into his AE86 corrolla. If you do the 4.6 swap you should so go with the 6 speed trans talk about a fast pinto.

The 4.6 is really really wide, I see some potential issues there, then there is the rear sump oil pan....never seen a 4.6 w/ a front sump. But yea, that would be a sweet swap!
Saw a Mustang on tv that had a stock 32 valve Navigator engine swap, ran in the 10's.... :fastcar:

russosborne · « **Reply #68 on:** July 17, 2010, 01:48:20 PM »

the oil pan is going to be an issue. Might have to take a couple of them and make one. Will have to wait and see. Once I get the engine I am planning on just putting it in the engine compartment to see just what I will need to do.

The person giving me all this also found a spare set of frame mounts that he had taken off the k member that he is keeping, so he will be giving them to me. so if I can find a spot to put them on the Pinto I will be able to just use the Mustang mounts for the engine. Unlike the V8 mounts for the II/Pinto, these are all over the place. :-)

there is a post from 2005 or 2006 on here that has a link to a Mustang II that had the 32 valve 4.6 installed, and the car didn't look all hacked up, so I know it is possible. If this was an early Pinto, I don't know if I would even try, since putting a regular 5.0 in those isn't easy. I am imagining that putting the 4.6 in mine will be about the same difficulty as doing that. My goal is to not have it look like someone drunk with a torch did it. :-)

I actaully bought a 69 Fairlane with a 429(not the boss one) that did look like that once I got underneath it. I was stupid to buy it, but I had just gotten out of the Navy and really wanted a car and wasn't thinking. Didn't have it for very long.

Russ

russosborne · « **Reply #69 on:** July 17, 2010, 03:50:52 PM »

One engine down, one to go.
Put the Ranger 2.3 engine/trans on craig's list last night. A kid came and got it today. For his dad's Ranger that has well over 300K miles. I didn't think a Ranger could last that long here in the rust belt. I really hope it works out for him, seemed like a good kid. Kid being probably 20ish. God I am feeling really old. 51 in a few weeks.
Someone here said they probably want the Pinto one as a spare, so hopefully he will take it.

Nothing new on the Pinto today, took all my energy to get the Ranger engine loaded up. Maybe tonight. Way too muggy out there right now.

Russ

russosborne · « **Reply #70 on:** July 17, 2010, 11:29:27 PM »

you asked for it, you got it. Well, no one asked, but here are some more pictures of the last two nights work.

russosborne · « **Reply #71 on:** July 17, 2010, 11:30:49 PM »

and a few more.
The last one shows more rust. I sort of knew this was there, I could see it when I sat in the driver's seat. I was just hoping that it wasn't rust, but it is.
It is hard to see in this picture, and the other picture I took is worth. It is the lower corner on the driver's side. The metal is separated there like a piece of plywood that has gotten too wet.

russosborne · « **Reply #72 on:** July 17, 2010, 11:40:22 PM »

Couple of notes to anyone thinking about taking the dash out. At least on a 79.
Mine had 5 bolts along the windshield, you either need a flex drive or remove the windshield.
Remember that there are vent controls on BOTH sides that need to come off first.
The steering column HAS to come out, or at least be dropped. There is a bolt in the center of the dash above the column that goes to a bracket, and that bolt has to come out.
Probably easier if you remove the heater control first.
Headlight switch and windshield wiper switch need to be removed, or at least remove the electrical connectors.

Most of this should be done before you take all the dash bolts off. I did it afterwards, with the dash hanging. Some of it may be easier to do that way, but if you want to make sure not to break anything I would disconnect it all first.

Russ

russosborne · « **Reply #73 on:** July 18, 2010, 03:36:09 PM »

I was googling last night, and found this site.
http://www.themustangshop.com/modswap.cfm
It is about doing a 4.6 swap into an early Mustang, but lots of useful info. They use a II front suspension, and even sell a Canton Racing front sump oil pan.
This is starting to look much more doable. :-)
Russ

russosborne · « **Reply #74 on:** July 18, 2010, 11:19:49 PM »

Not much done today. Didn't really feel like doing anything at all.
Only went out to the garage at all because my wife was watching one of her shows and it was more annoying than usual.
Got the dash and engine compartment wiring harness's completely removed.
Also got the heater box out. I didn't realise that it came off with the 4 nuts from the engine side of the firewall. I figured it out after I took the front cover off of it and still couldn't find any mounting screws. At least I didn't break anything this time.

Was going to take the rear part of the harness out, but I guess I just was too tired and I forgot about it.

Been a long week, and it starts all over again tomorrow. I just can't wait. :-( honestly, about the only thing keeping me sane right now is the Pinto. If I had said that even 5 years ago I would have said it was too late, you have already lost it. :-)

Russ

russosborne · « **Reply #75 on:** July 22, 2010, 02:38:30 AM »

Well, might be road tripping to Dayton this Saturday after all. The guy giving me the engine and stuff says he will have it all out of the donor car by tomorrow. Waiting to here back from him.
Hope my Blazer can survive the trip. Can't afford to rent anything.
Yes, I can find something to stress about in any situation. :-)

Have done nothing to the Pinto. Been stressed at work, so much so that if something went wrong I might revert back to my old ways of throwing stuff and beating on stuff. So I am avoiding the Pinto for now.
Russ

dga57 · « **Reply #76 on:** July 22, 2010, 03:18:20 AM »

Quote from: russosborne on July 22, 2010, 02:38:30 AM

Well, might be road tripping to Dayton this Saturday after all. The guy giving me the engine and stuff says he will have it all out of the donor car by tomorrow. Waiting to here back from him.
Hope my Blazer can survive the trip. Can't afford to rent anything.
Yes, I can find something to stress about in any situation. :-)

Have done nothing to the Pinto. Been stressed at work, so much so that if something went wrong I might revert back to my old ways of throwing stuff and beating on stuff. So I am avoiding the Pinto for now.
Russ

Avoiding the Pinto is probably a wise decision. Hope things become a bit less stressful for you soon!

Dwayne :smile:

r4pinto · « **Reply #77 on:** July 22, 2010, 10:54:25 AM »

Russ I just have one question.... How did you find a Pinto in Ohio that didn't have much rust underneath?? Mine is a rust bucket & so was the one I got in Alliance lol. I saw the pics on car domain & it looks like you got a good base to start out with. I am jeaulous! Can't wait to see the finished product.

russosborne · « **Reply #78 on:** July 22, 2010, 05:21:34 PM »

I guess I just got lucky. I wasn't even looking for a Pinto when I bought this, I was just looking for cheap transportation that I could work on myself if it broke. Found a whole lot of early 90's stuff that you couldn't see the engine with all the stuff in the way and most wouldn't pass emissions(which we have in Akron). Then I found this on Craig's list over near Findlay. I didn't even look underneath it, was too scared too.
The seller had it on here for sale, but I didn't even know this site existed then. He is the one that told me about here.

There is lots of rust on the outer body though. Hood and doors are shot, and quarter panels need replaced as well. But yeah, it is pretty solid for a midwest car. Think the seller told me he got this one either in Indiana or right on the border.

Russ

popbumper · « **Reply #79 on:** July 22, 2010, 05:25:34 PM »

Russ:

Just STOP it. Now I know you ARE my long lost twin - you were looking for cheap transportation .....next thing you know the car is coming COMPLETELY apart.

Oh my. This is like looking in a mirror in so many ways. It's somewhat painful....

Chris

dave1987 · « **Reply #80 on:** July 23, 2010, 01:01:38 AM »

Hey russ! I removed my windshield this spring and cut the gasket away from the windshield, then pulled the separated the cut section away from the windshield. I cut down into the gasket around the edge of the windshield and just pulled up the gasket that was on top of the windshield, was pretty easy. A sharp razor is the key here!

This link takes you to the post in my project log that has pictures of the glass still on the car after cutting away the top of the gasket that holds the windshield down and in from the outside.

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,7356.msg94946.html#msg94946

russosborne · « **Reply #81 on:** July 23, 2010, 01:48:25 PM »

Quote from: popbumper on July 22, 2010, 05:25:34 PM

Russ:

Just STOP it. Now I know you ARE my long lost twin - you were looking for cheap transportation .....next thing you know the car is coming COMPLETELY apart.

Oh my. This is like looking in a mirror in so many ways. It's somewhat painful....

Chris

Chris, I hope you don't look like me. That would be awful for you.

It did take 2 years before I took it apart.

Definitely going to Dayton tomorrow. I really am worried about my Blazer making it both ways without any problems, but how do you turn down a free deal like this? Looked into renting something, but we just can't afford it. If you are in Ohio and between Akron and Dayton tomorrow and see a metallic dark red Blazer 4 door and a white Ford Taurus alongside the road, that will be me and my wife.

Russ

Bigtimmay · « **Reply #82 on:** July 23, 2010, 01:53:53 PM »

Quote from: dave1987 on July 23, 2010, 01:01:38 AM

Hey russ! I removed my windshield this spring and cut the gasket away from the windshield, then pulled the separated the cut section away from the windshield. I cut down into the gasket around the edge of the windshield and just pulled up the gasket that was on top of the windshield, was pretty easy. A sharp razor is the key here!

This link takes you to the post in my project log that has pictures of the glass still on the car after cutting away the top of the gasket that holds the windshield down and in from the outside.

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,7356.msg94946.html#msg94946

That will work on 78 and down car im pretty sure in 79 they started glueing the windsheilds in.

If i lived anywhere close to ya id just go pick that motor up for ya in my dually so you wouldnt have to worry about not making it.Hope the trip goes welll with no prblems though.

popbumper · « **Reply #83 on:** July 23, 2010, 02:12:14 PM »

Quote from: russosborne on July 23, 2010, 01:48:25 PM

Chris, I hope you don't look like me. That would be awful for you.

It did take 2 years before I took it apart.

Definitely going to Dayton tomorrow. I really am worried about my Blazer making it both ways without any problems, but how do you turn down a free deal like this? Looked into renting something, but we just can't afford it. If you are in Ohio and between Akron and Dayton tomorrow and see a metallic dark red Blazer 4 door and a white Ford Taurus alongside the road, that will be me and my wife.

Russ

Russ:

Fraternal twin then, perhaps. Besides, I ain't no prize anyways, so no biggie. I just like the parallels between these projects.

Now, first, if I saw you on the side of the road I'd stop to help. And second, the wife is from Toledo, so the next time we visit the area (next year probably), I expect an invite - er..., would appreciate visiting with you!

Chris

dave1987 · « **Reply #84 on:** July 23, 2010, 09:07:24 PM »

may or june of 78 they stopped using the gaskets and switched to glue in. So if you have a later production 78 model it's a glue in. The glue in glass is also larger than the gasket glass. Gasket glass is the same for 71-mid 78, after that you have bigger glass. Glue in type windshields cannot be used with a gasket, they are far to large. You CAN glue in a late model windshield into an earlier model, but you will need the outside AND inside trim for the late model. The inside trim from a late model fills in where the gasket on an early model would normally be. I've done a lot of research on the two if you can't tell....

russosborne · « **Reply #85 on:** July 23, 2010, 11:25:52 PM »

Yeah, mine is/was a glue in. Why did they use a gasked at all? Seems like Ford finds a better way of doing stuff, and then they insist on going back to the old way. My 69 Mustang windshield was a glue in. It also had a removable cowl panel, which was a change from the earlier Mustangs, and then on the II's and Pinto's Ford went back to the welded in place ones that make cowl rust repair extremely painful.

Russ

russosborne · « **Reply #86 on:** July 23, 2010, 11:32:59 PM »

Ok, take two.
Taillight mounting.
I was thinking about mounting either the stock taillights or who knows what ones from the inside. At least on my 79, they look like they were added at the last minute the way they are mounted.
Might mean having to do some cutting on the rear panel, but what is a little more modifying? :-)
Probably going to be adding a higher floor to the back, so there wouldn't be any worry about hitting the lights when doing stuff in the hatch area.

I have actually thought about using the ones I kept from the II. Haven't taken a serious look at if they would be even close, but I do like the 3 section look they have. 69 Mustang taillights are my all time favorite, the way the 3 sections stick out on each side. Maybe I can come up with something similar.
Thoughts?
Russ
(let's see if this posts THIS time)

dga57 · « **Reply #87 on:** July 24, 2010, 12:36:15 AM »

I don't know whether it will work or not, but if you're making modifications anyway, I think Mustang II tailights would be awesome on a Pinto!

Dwayne :smile:

russosborne · « **Reply #88 on:** July 24, 2010, 09:03:53 PM »

What a long day. But successful. Got the engine/trans and misc. home without any issues. Getting them out of the blazer may be a different story, but not going to try tonight.
No pictures yet, will take some tomorrow. I still have to find a place to put all this stuff.
Russ

dga57 · « **Reply #89 on:** July 24, 2010, 09:06:07 PM »

Quote from: russosborne on July 24, 2010, 09:03:53 PM

What a long day. But successful. Got the engine/trans and misc. home without any issues. Getting them out of the blazer may be a different story, but not going to try tonight.
No pictures yet, will take some tomorrow. I still have to find a place to put all this stuff.
Russ

Russ,
Glad to hear that the Blazer got you there and back safe and sound! Maybe things are going to go better... starting now! Think positive!
Dwayne :smile:

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