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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2013, 10:08:04 PM »
You had a roof rack? I'd love to find one for my 71.  Those chrome strips are on those T shaped rivets that are spot welded to the roof. Push them either toward the front or rear of the car & you should feel them pop off the rivets. Then just lift them off & grind the rivets off.
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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2013, 02:45:24 PM »
No I don't have the actual rack :( I would also like one.

Alright great! Thanks alot I'll try that when i get home from work; i would have never thought of that. I thought FOR SURE they had some type of screw/bolt fastener going through the roof and I tore up my headliner trying to find it....

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #62 on: August 19, 2013, 08:19:26 AM »
Well I got the chrome runners on the roof off! Out of 8 little metal tabs that stick up two of them broke off the roof. I don't think it'll be a major issue but we'll see when we go to put them back on.

Got the motor and trans pulled this weekend. Holy cow. What a HELL HOLE that was. I've heard before that the trans tunnel needs to be cut and adjusted to fit the c6? Well I can tell you that it doesn't, but then it will take you 6 hours to pull the drive train. Had to seperate trans from motor in the car and then ended up taking the fly wheel off in the car too (that was fun).

Also sanded the epoxy primer and put on a grey urethane primer. The car is now ready to be taken to Maaco!


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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2013, 11:29:46 PM »
More progress.

Did some cutting and welding of the front valence to make it fit. I don't see why people would bother with fiberglassing a new valence to make it fit for this application, that is other than more variation of looks. But for 5 hours of work I don't think it looks half bad!





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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2013, 12:42:02 PM »
Awesome just found this thread good work!

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2013, 09:25:24 PM »


Also sanded the epoxy primer and put on a grey urethane primer. The car is now ready to be taken to Maaco!



Why not just finish the paint job yourself? basecoat clearcoat is pretty forgiving....a nd you can sand and polish it when your done. save yourself some dough! Looks good by the way. I had a 351 W in a pinto of mine with an FMX transmission. My current car has the original 4 cyl. 

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2013, 06:51:40 PM »
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Why not just finish the paint job yourself? basecoat clearcoat is pretty forgiving....a nd you can sand and polish it when your done. save yourself some dough! Looks good by the way. I had a 351 W in a pinto of mine with an FMX transmission. My current car has the original 4 cyl.

I know I can't paint in my driveway without dust being an issue; I've tried many times. The fee's Maaco will charge me are nil compared to the time and effort I have into the vehicle. And when, not if, they mess up I can just bring it back and have them re-do it for free :)

The car currently has a different cleveland and a 4-speed toploader into it that I had laying around. I pulled out the cleveland that was in it and am currently cleaning it up and will send it off to an engine builder sooner or later. I'm actually trying to purchase a Tremec TKO 5-speed off of a gentleman on craigslist right now. It should fit, but it might be a chore. It's significantly larger than the toploader. Either way I'm scrapping the c6. It was excellent with the stall converter for launches, but just wasn't as fun to drive as a manual. And the 3-speed was killing me. 

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #67 on: November 04, 2013, 08:11:16 AM »
Couldn't find a drum brake kit for this bastard rear axle. The center of my new wheels are bare steel and are going to get powder coated, which is forcing me to think about what color to paint the car. I keep bouncing between radically different ideas.... anyways..


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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #68 on: December 08, 2013, 02:20:50 AM »
Hey, what can you tell me about the rear end and rims that came with the car?  I'm looking to get some 275s under the back of mine and it's encouraging to see that it's been done before.  Any idea what the offset on those wheels is?
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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #69 on: December 08, 2013, 08:02:09 AM »
Jake - can you take some pics of your headers before you put it back together please ?

Here are pics/info on the original B2 headers from mine: http://www.fordpinto.com/your-pintos/new-car-!/90/

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2013, 10:39:57 PM »
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Hey, what can you tell me about the rear end and rims that came with the car?  I'm looking to get some 275s under the back of mine and it's encouraging to see that it's been done before.  Any idea what the offset on those wheels is?

Sure thing. The wheels were 15x8 with 4.5" of backspacing. They were mounted with (2) 1/8" spacers. The axle we believe was a Pinto 8". To be honest, we don't know. The previous owner thought it was a Maverick rear end but when we went to replace one of the seals we determined that was false. So then we tried Mustang II and that was wrong as well. So finally we took the damn thing into autozone with us and just bought whatever fit :) don't remember what it was. Probably just a stock Pinto 8".

My new wheels are of the same dimension as the Weld's that were on there and my 9" was supposedly made to the stock pinto width. I can't remember what that is now, but I looked it up and told my guy to make it that same width. And it all fits. I did have to do some grinding on the caliper but that was purely a function of the disc brake kit.

So to make a long story short, it's my understanding that you don't need to do any modifications to the rear end whatsoever to get 275's to fit; as long as you're okay with a fit like I have.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2013, 10:44:37 PM »
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Jake - can you take some pics of your headers before you put it back together please ?

Here are pics/info on the original B2 headers from mine: http://www.fordpinto.com/your-pintos/new-car-!/90/

Sure thing. Going back home in ~10 days so I'll take them then.
Just a reminder, I was wrong when I told you that the headers went into the collector in a :: fashion. They are in fact four in a line like ....     ....

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2013, 04:16:54 AM »
I'll bet they are the Headman headers then. Like this:





No longer made. If yours are in good shape they should be cleaned & ceramic coated, inside & out. Make them last longer & help keep the heat down in the engine bay.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #73 on: January 07, 2014, 12:33:34 PM »
That is precisely what they are!
New driveshaft was going to go in, but some doofus purchased the wrong U-bolts... I wonder who that could be? ;)

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #74 on: January 07, 2014, 08:28:41 PM »
Then you need to take detailed pictures of the engine mounts while the engine is out (is it still out ?) !

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2014, 08:21:47 AM »
Engine is in :(
My old man can't really handle a car with an open bay and a perfectly fine motor sitting on a stand being in the same garage at once. He's not really handling retirement well; very bored.

I will do the best I can with the motor in. It's coming back out probably in August; i'll try to remember then.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2014, 08:24:19 PM »
Did you freshen the engine ?
Open it up for inspection ?
Put a bigger cam etc in ?

Details, man !

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2014, 12:50:17 AM »
Oh I thought I'd kept you in the loop! My father had built a separate 351c with the hopes of finding a cool car to put it in, but, he has yet to do so. So we knew I had to pull my motor and either do a complete rebuild or get a different motor. In the meantime, instead of having the pinto just sit there hopelessly, we put his freshly built Cleveland into the car along with his 4-speed top loader. To be honest, I had nothing to do with it. He got tired of moving the car by hand and dropped the pair into the car; but I do think it's a good idea.

I know his motor was built to be relatively stock. More of a resto-job, but it was a thorough rebuild. I think crank is probably the only thing to stay stock. I only know what I can see which is Demon 750 carb and edlebrock air gap. He doesn't have the GM style distributor like mine either.
And as long as I'm being honest, my car is slowly getting built by pops while I'm at school, which upsets me. I simply don't have the room, tools, or time to work on it here. Needless to say I do what I can while i'm at home, but it's just not a number 1 priority for me right now.

I'm not even entirely sure I'll stick with my cleveland. When I get the cylinder walls checked I'll know. I've pretty much made up my mind on wanting to stroke it to the 380-390 range. But I have absolutely NO bias when it comes to who makes a motor. I would actually love, love, love to run a modern fuel injected V8. But I'm looking for 900-1000 combined hp and torque since I plan on moving this motor around to different (and much heavier) vehicles in the future. And finding a fuel injected motor that will do that, fit in the pinto, and cost less than a cleveland is damn near impossible.

And of course, I forgot to photograph the engine mounts for you. I'll ask dad to do it and send me the photos.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2014, 08:49:16 AM »
hello there! I dont mean to butt in, but I just registered so I could post about those Southside Machine Lift Bars. I was warned by a fellow who likes to build some pretty hairy cars that they are
treacherous, having ripped his Falcon apart at the front spring mount. I bought a set and installed them on my 63 Galaxie years ago, and it still hasnt been driven, and wont be until I remove them.
That is such a neat Pinto, I would hate for any difficult damage to occur. I didnt see any sign of subframe connectors, I would be very careful without them, and absolutely paranoid about those SSM Lift Bars.
Best of luck with that monster.
If you forego the Cleveland motorvation, you wont have much problem getting rid of those headers!

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2014, 01:27:22 PM »
That's very interesting, and i certainly appreciate your warning. However I have switched out those lifter bars for Lakewood Action lift bars. Hopefully those don't have the same issue as the Southside ones.

Reeves, I go home Wednesday for a few days and you have my word that I'll take photos of the motor mounts showing the highest amount of detail possible.

I have a question that I had a hard time finding. What size wheels/tires can I run on the front of a first gen pinto? My front end is completely stock. Can i fit a 205/50 R 15 on the front?

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2014, 06:05:16 PM »
If I wasn't up-grading my front to 5 bolt & bigger brakes, I'd be all over these: http://www.fordpinto.com/classifieds/?sa=view;id=2802

I have a set on the white car. Not sure on tire size though.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2014, 09:11:50 PM »
Those are nice, good price too..

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2014, 10:24:48 AM »
Im shooting for 195-65-15's on my 74 sedan eventually. It currently has 185-75-14's, I figure they ought to switch ok. Ive been wrong before.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2014, 02:45:06 AM »
Sure thing. The wheels were 15x8 with 4.5" of backspacing. They were mounted with (2) 1/8" spacers. The axle we believe was a Pinto 8". To be honest, we don't know. The previous owner thought it was a Maverick rear end but when we went to replace one of the seals we determined that was false. So then we tried Mustang II and that was wrong as well. So finally we took the damn thing into autozone with us and just bought whatever fit :) don't remember what it was. Probably just a stock Pinto 8".

My new wheels are of the same dimension as the Weld's that were on there and my 9" was supposedly made to the stock pinto width. I can't remember what that is now, but I looked it up and told my guy to make it that same width. And it all fits. I did have to do some grinding on the caliper but that was purely a function of the disc brake kit.

So to make a long story short, it's my understanding that you don't need to do any modifications to the rear end whatsoever to get 275's to fit; as long as you're okay with a fit like I have.

Well, I guess the next logical question is, since you said you can't stand the Weld wheels, are you thinking about selling 'em?
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SBF swap
8" rear 4.11 posi
T-5 trans
10 point rollcage
Single stage NOS Cheater system

275 rwhp 350 lb/ft on motor.....some thing a bit more than that on the spray.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #84 on: March 17, 2014, 10:26:31 PM »
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Well, I guess the next logical question is, since you said you can't stand the Weld wheels, are you thinking about selling 'em?

Absolutely. As soon as it gets warm enough here for me to paint the bare section of the wheels I got I will be taking the rubber off the rear Weld wheels and selling them along with the complete fronts.
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Im shooting for 195-65-15's on my 74 sedan eventually. It currently has 185-75-14's, I figure they ought to switch ok. Ive been wrong before.

I mounted my 15x8" wheel on my front end, which was changed over to 5 lug and bigger brakes, without any clearance issues. Sure it stuck out the body, but that gave me enough confidence to think a 15x6" would work just fine. Planning on 205-50-r15's.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2014, 09:40:39 PM »
Absolutely. As soon as it gets warm enough here for me to paint the bare section of the wheels I got I will be taking the rubber off the rear Weld wheels and selling them along with the complete fronts.
I mounted my 15x8" wheel on my front end, which was changed over to 5 lug and bigger brakes, without any clearance issues. Sure it stuck out the body, but that gave me enough confidence to think a 15x6" would work just fine. Planning on 205-50-r15's.

Well, when you do, I'd like a crack at 'em!  You can message me here or at entropy156@yahoo.com
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SBF swap
8" rear 4.11 posi
T-5 trans
10 point rollcage
Single stage NOS Cheater system

275 rwhp 350 lb/ft on motor.....some thing a bit more than that on the spray.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #86 on: May 23, 2014, 08:23:21 PM »
Used these nifty rubber isolation mounts for my fuel pump (pics tomorrow). hopefully it stops the horrrrrrrrrrrr ible ruckus that it used to make.

Oh, my solid rubber isolation mounts for the fuel pump didn't work at all. I really thought they would because they did before. I'm starting to wonder if it's not the fuel pump that's making the noise but one of the hard fuel lines attached to the fuel pump vibrating on the body of the car. That also has to be fixed. It's so loud.

No, it's the pump. Holley red/blue/black carb pumps are notoriously loud. I have a Holley red in my '68 Mustang that is rubber-isolated and and hooked to soft lines and it's still quite noisy.

I'm not even entirely sure I'll stick with my cleveland. When I get the cylinder walls checked I'll know. I've pretty much made up my mind on wanting to stroke it to the 380-390 range. But I have absolutely NO bias when it comes to who makes a motor. I would actually love, love, love to run a modern fuel injected V8. But I'm looking for 900-1000 combined hp and torque since I plan on moving this motor around to different (and much heavier) vehicles in the future. And finding a fuel injected motor that will do that, fit in the pinto, and cost less than a cleveland is damn near impossible.

Well, a 351W-based stroker would use the same bellhousing and engine mounts as your 351C...
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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2014, 09:17:56 PM »
Up Date !

Pictures !

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #88 on: November 19, 2014, 10:42:04 PM »
If possible I would love to see some pics of work on the trans hump to clear the shifter linkage for the top loader,.i have mine mocked up in the car now and it will not clear the factory trans mount so I will have to build a new trans mount and cut out all the original stuff too clear.