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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2013, 01:39:42 PM »
 Speedway Motors has those front mount kits.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2013, 01:48:47 PM »
thanks for quick response..


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #63 on: November 26, 2013, 07:47:00 AM »
Got the glass fenders & air dam(s) home.



The 3 air dams missed a silver bullet ! Fork lift came very close to touching them !




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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2013, 08:57:34 AM »
Wow, that was lucky,lol..
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2013, 08:04:39 AM »
Ugly was stuffed into my new 20' x 15' storage barn for the winter.




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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2013, 09:21:52 AM »
Nice storage barn.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #67 on: December 28, 2013, 12:37:36 PM »
Will look better after I get all the trim & vinyl siding on it ! Plus the roller door. Next summer project....

Lawn grade went two ways, towards the back left corner in that picture.
I laid filter cloth down. Then built a 4" x 4" pressure treated frame.
Then another frame the same, on the outside of the first one.
Then 3/4" crush inside (all 4x4s are pegged down with 2' rebar).
Then raised & leveled the inside frame, pounding crush under it.
Each corner has a 4' screw in pile , to tie it all down as well.
It's not moving !  ;D

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #68 on: December 28, 2013, 06:26:09 PM »
Wow, you expecting Tornadoes, lol, that's one stout building..
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2014, 04:51:58 AM »
NOS 1972-79 Pinto Bobcat Cowl Vent Air Outlet Duct Passenger Side - got it for $25.00




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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2014, 07:02:15 AM »
Nice find, tried to find one for mine finally did get a used one in decent shape..
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2014, 07:44:11 PM »
As mentioned, this one is being made so a 9.5 deck 351w will fit.
Found a smoke'n deal on an intake like this one : http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/edl-2981/overview/make/ford

No idea if that type engine will end up in it. Just want to make sure if a future owner wants to do so, it will fit no problem.

I'll have to pick up other engine parts over time for this. Like a junk block, junk heads & a good pan.
I'll be getting hold of Milodon to see about that, in the future.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2014, 04:51:54 AM »
Buying this rotisserie Friday morning......s ale is for 949.95 - bottom of page

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2014, 09:28:15 AM »
Picture , if you will .....

Back in 69/70a guy with a 351w blowed up his engine.
Crank broke at the 1/5 journal. Broke the block & lots of other damage.
He took it apart , tossed it into the bush.
There it sat , till he gave it to me so I could mock up a 351w for test fitting in Ugly Yellow.
Need to know if the fire wall mods are done right...or changes will be needed.

Intake is an Edelbrock Victor JR - picked up real cheap. It had been painted Ford blue , then silver.
Took a few coats of paint stripper & a few hours in a hot tank to clean it up.

Didn't want a rust pile sitting in the shop.....sand blasted & painted....... wife says it is a waste of time and money  ::)    ;D







I will soon have an 8 qt. Mildon pan to add to this.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2014, 09:45:54 AM »
Nice mock up piece. :D
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2014, 11:42:35 AM »
Nice work.

Thinking about a 302 for my 73 wagon but want the conversion as simple as possible since it is at our Winter location and I would either be paying for the work or doing it in my carport.

You mentioned that the original install used MII motor mounts but only had one bolt installed. Do you have any photos of the MII mounts as they were installed?

Are MII mounts with more bolts the best way to go for a simple as possible install?

I couldn't tell from the picture if other mods were needed to get it in. Mine is an auto and not sure if it's C3 or 4. Would an adapter be needed to mate the two? I know I would need to upgrade the rear to an 8". Guessing the headers would also be a trick.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2014, 02:13:11 PM »
Lots of ways to do a V8 swap.....and the Mll mounts would be a last choice for me.
They off set an engine 1 3/4" (I think that is what I measured).

73 will require fire wall mods. How much depends on what you want to do.
This Ugly car is getting mods for a 351w - even though I'm not sure what will end up in the car.
If it's a 302w, there will just be more clearance. Plus the option for a future owner to put a 351w into it.
Easier to do the mods one time.....

If you want an auto, go with a built C4 (or better) from the get go.

Not cheap to build these now & if you try to cheap out you'll end up with what you pay for.

Headers are problematic now : no longer made for them. Although, sometimes you can scoop some up for sale - usually the Hookers (through the inner fenders for the back 2 tubes on each side).

I have a couple sets of the Headman ones, with the flat collectors.
One set had been on an engine, but never on the road.
Another NOS set , that may be for 351w. I have yet to measure them : they'll be a bit over an inch taller than the others, if for a 351w.

Custom headers (up here in Alberta) range from $150.00 to $3000.00.

The ones for my B2 car will likely run top end, as the tubes will be mandrel bends. Not a bunch of angles welded together.

I'm still thinking of putting a V8 swap kit together for sale.
Complete from a built 302w (to 331 stroker).
Mounts, headers, bell, T-5 etc.
Not sure if I'll get it done.....big $ to spend on the B2 car yet......

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2014, 04:39:11 PM »
You V8 guys are making it hard for me to be happy with my little 2.3.  :(
But I do have to go cheap for now at least, so 2.3 it stays.  :-[
But I will be remembering those Speedway mounts later on. Those are really neat.  ;D And a really good price for the total setup. 8)
Do you feel the Pinto front subframe is strong enough for them where they bolt on, or did you reinforce that area and I just missed it?
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2014, 06:58:02 PM »
I strengthened the frame rails (pictures earlier ?).

With front mounts I'd use a mid mount as well.

Main reason I've not made a "kit" yet is the price I'd have to charge.
Built 302w about 5-8k +
Headers about 1.5k +
Bell, trans & other related parts about 1k - 1.5k +
Test fitted motor mounts .5k (ish ?)

I think you get the idea......buil ding a car in Canada (or anywhere now) is not cheap.
(SFI bell for my B2 was over .5k and is now out of date - yet has never been on a running engine)

As I pointed out to another member, take a lower ball joint.
States cost to me is about $50.00. Add in the $ exchange. Then GST & duty at the border. Then shipping....ad d $ for exchange rate.
Shipping $ only (seems) to get it to the border.
When I pick the parts up (no matter how shipped) this $50.00 part then costs me another 30-40 bucks, above & beyond the above prices = at least 3-4 times what you would pay.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2014, 04:29:06 AM »
Moved the car out of storage & into the shop.
Tired of moving the tractor out of the shop anyway.

Shop fridge is full, so worked on that  ;D

While sitting there , looking at the ugly beast , thinking of how much work is needed.... I am wondering if I have some sort of mental problem  :o

One thing I'll be looking into is a 12v heater. To be road legal it needs a defroster. If it will cut weight. It would also end the clearance issue with the heater motor: never did find a short one.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #80 on: August 06, 2014, 02:32:56 PM »
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #81 on: August 06, 2014, 06:26:09 PM »
Doubt it has any weight savings. Looks like it has a heater core.

I looked earlier on line & looked at a few small units. What I looked at is not (so far) what I'm seeing in my head  :o


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #82 on: August 06, 2014, 06:52:32 PM »
My 73 came with A/C & I saved the box since the blower motor is inside the car. I want to dig into it & see how much I can eliminate & just use the box for heat. It's fiberglass rather than plastic so I can do some modding to it relatively easily.
 
 
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #83 on: December 24, 2014, 01:06:05 PM »
B2 engine is still not back.....been a year now  >:(

I picked up a few parts over time to mock up a 351w to test fit in the car.
I have 2 sets of Headers. Going to use the NOS set for this "test".
I measured the two sets and both measure up the same. So not likely meant for the taller 351w.

 








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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #84 on: December 24, 2014, 01:11:46 PM »
Forgot to clean the tape residue off the pan ! Not banged up like it looks, although it's used.

Headers and front mounts will be removed when dropping the engine in.

If anyone has used those front mounts for any length of time, please post how well they worked for you.
Any leak problems ? Stay tight ? Cracked heads ?

Thinking about a different type of front mount.......pl us mid mount.

I'll also test fit with a T-5 I have here. Depending on time etc I may test fit with my T-10 as well.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #85 on: December 24, 2014, 05:27:24 PM »
That type of mount is what Ford flathead and Chebbeys V-8's had on them back in the days. All of the possible stress would be on the bell housing at the area where it and the block come together. Mid plate should fix that. I've seen a zillion 55/57 Chebbeys without the mid plate / mounts they came with, running at the drags with no problems. Only one way to know for sure.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #86 on: December 25, 2014, 11:50:50 AM »
OK......had thought I thunk out the fire wall mods better  :o

With aluminum bell that came with the T-5, the ribs hit way too soon.
When planning out the cuts I wanted to keep the heater, yet remove as much as I could.
I'll have to install the heater to see how much more can be taken out.
Also have to trim out more by the back left intake bolt.


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #87 on: December 25, 2014, 11:55:49 AM »
The Headers you see mounted on the engine (and the other set I have) will not work on a 351w.

I had test fit the front mounts and (other) Headers in my white car. Worked OK.

These next pictures show they are too high, and the pan is sitting on the rack.




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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #88 on: December 25, 2014, 12:02:43 PM »
Recall I moved the hole for the main wire harness up & over ?
It was behind the head before. Now clears the engine.
There will be even more clearance with a 302w.


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #89 on: December 26, 2014, 07:49:57 AM »
I didn't bother test fitting any trans. I knew I had to mod the tunnel more anyway.
But I did measure from the Quicktime bell back to the shifter hole.
The way it is now, a T-5 will bolt right in without having to cut that hole forward.