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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2013, 11:22:02 PM »
Fascinating. I think the 2000cc in my '73, which was recently rebuilt, might be the last go-round with a four cylinder.

I hate to say that, since the car runs well, and it'd be kind of sad to see all that stock-ness, which I've preserved for so long, go away.

But, on the other hand...

I've always wanted a 302 instead. Thing is, some of the street installations I've seen in the past seemed a bit severe, cutting out the entire front cross member for the radiator installation and removing the hood latch; solid motor mounts, etc.

I also thought the early Pintos weren't good candidates for the swap—clearly I'm mistaken. I didn't know a radiator would fit in front of the engine compartment on the early cars.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2013, 07:17:37 AM »
V8 swaps can be made easy as well.
This yellow one had no fire wall mods.
No hood scoop .
No cut rad support.

But, I'm not one to leave well enough alone.
I wanted the engine back as far as possible, yet still have a heater (I'm in Canada - it was +5c yesterday).

I should be able (?) to mount the rad behind the support (where it normally goes).
I'll be using a short water pump & CVF pulleys.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2013, 01:25:12 PM »







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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2013, 01:33:27 PM »
Primer is just to protect the metal from rust for now.
Engine compartment will be stripped/blasted in the future , after more metal work is done.
Next I'll be working on the inner fenders.....

I took into account a 351w has a higher deck (302w is 8.2" and 351 9.5").
Some of the mods will be for the next owner ?

Brake line mods will be in the future as well......

Note I raised the bottom rad hose opening up (about) 1 1/8" - in case of a 351w in the future.

Note the wire harness hole has been moved up & to the left (right in picture). It will now clear the engine head/valve cover.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2013, 04:12:27 PM »
You do know what that sharp corner is going to do to the back of your hand every time you need to work back there don't you? LOL
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2013, 06:49:30 PM »
I can feel it already. lol. :D
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2013, 08:48:53 AM »
You do know what that sharp corner is going to do to the back of your hand every time you need to work back there don't you? LOL

No room back there to "work" anyway.

When I drop the V8 in, I do so without the back plate etc.
After the back of the engine clears the cross member, I bolt all the stuff on, then move it backwards into place.
Guess I'll find out......

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2013, 09:13:19 AM »
Sounds like it should work.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2013, 06:40:39 PM »
Have you ever tried to drop everything as a unit (engine , bellhousing,,and trans etc) as a unit

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2013, 06:45:51 PM »
that last post got entered before I got a chance to proof read or edit...sorry.. .. the point I was asking was wether you or anyone has stabbed or tried to stab engine,bellhousing and gearbox in one shot and what kind of luck did or didn't you have

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2013, 07:11:53 PM »
I have always found it easier to drop them in without anything on the front of the engine (sometimes with/without balancer) and nothing on the back.

This way the front rad support isn't cut.

Others may have better ways to do things.....

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2013, 03:19:05 PM »
State of dis - repair.....
Looks like an easy/simple build has gone sideways.
Going to do the full build , so is going to take some time.
It (yellow) needs everything.


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2013, 08:42:30 PM »
Can you say SNOWBALL!! Oooff, I hope that doesn't happen to me when I get the '71 home
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2013, 04:22:50 AM »
Just too much wrong to do a simple / temp job.
Every rubber part is toast.

Pulled the front calipers & had a better look at the springs.
Supposed to be M II springs.
They trimmed them down with a torch, but didn't square the ends.
So they didn't stay in place.
Left one is out of place by 1/2 a turn.

I'll get new springs anyway. They are cheap.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2013, 07:00:27 PM »
Yup "I'm just gonna...." always turns into a frame off in my neck of the woods too.   Energy makes a nice urethane kit for the mII that is a ton better than factory rubber bushings

on a semi related note. I can't find the p/n on that fan motor we talked about. this one looks really similar except mine had 3 tabs for the bolt holes not a full flange around it. the shaft looks identical though I made a short sleeve to sit on the e clip and slightly modded the squirrel cage  so i could tighten the nut then just spot welded it to a factory blower motor plate. had to shave down the lip on the inner firewall where it passes through but considering your cars are in a few pieces it's not a big stretch.   also a lil time in the grainger catalogue or googling pancake motor might find a better one. I have a third one around somewhere but be damned if i can find it at the moment...

http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/printmotor222/product-detailQbfEhoKlHeYS/China-DC-Flat-Motor-Pancake-Motor-Print-Motor-.html

actually this one looks almost identical
http://www.o-digital.com/wholesale-products/2179/2188-2/DC-Servo-Print-Motor-Set-100SN-Series-76115.html
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2013, 05:18:05 AM »
Good reminder.... I have a small fan motor in the shop. It has a flat motor.
I'll have a look at it today & take pictures.
If I can find it. With 2 Pintos torn down it looks like a parts store that has blown up !

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2013, 04:32:32 PM »
the one that I used is factory from the rear heater housing on a 2000 chevy tahoe (the old body) fan part fits perfect in the heater box but the motor requires holes to be drilled in the metal part of the box, I welded nuts on the inside of the box on mine, i got mine from a salvage yard, not sure if they offer a new one that comes with the blade part
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2013, 05:06:24 PM »
Took the car apart.
Found some other rust areas, but all should be OK after blasting.
The seams under the foot area are not good though.
Not a real problem, as I'll cut it out when I build the torque boxes.
Need mounting areas for the cage anyway.
Worst area is the cowl/box in front of the windshield.








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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2013, 05:08:04 PM »





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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2013, 05:13:20 PM »
Some of the yuk you see is the felt like stuff stuck to the body.

All seams will be welded.
Thinking about acid dipping the body.
Doors maybe as well. Depends on what I can find for glass doors.

Forgot to take a picture of what I found inside the left door.
Window had been broken & a lot of glass was still in the door !
When I took the door off & laid it down there was a lot of noise.....all cleaned up now.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2013, 07:18:35 PM »
Acid dipping is a really ugly way to strip a body and tends to create more problems than it solves  unless you spend a lot of time neutralizing it and burning out all the seams with a torch afterwards. It was considered a good method for stripping that thankfully went out of vogue about 20 years ago. You are much further ahead to have the top side media blasted with soda or walnut and have the bottom done with sand at low pressure to peel all the rust off. etch prime the top and por the bottom immediately after before any body work and you will be further ahead than trying to stabilize a dipped body. incidentally i found the spare blower motor in the pile. delco 5050080  and 349-90 are the p/n's on it.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2013, 09:36:02 PM »
I would NOT acid dip the body, problem is the acid gets into places that are impossible to get at afterwards and you're left with bare metal that can't be treated, depending on the climate you could have a rust bucket in no time..
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2013, 04:39:17 AM »
Good info on the acid dip. Thanks guys !

OhSix9 - wrote numbers down & will order it Tuesday.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2013, 05:45:43 PM »
Coil springs are supposed to be MII springs. Seems right. But they were cut with a cutting torch & the heat at the cut off & the next coil above will have changed them.
Not to mention one is 3" longer than the other = junk.
With the rounded ends, they wouldn't stay in the right location. Both sides had turned about a half turn.





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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2013, 05:49:58 PM »
R.F. shock as it "fell" out when un-bolted.
Crap found inside left door.


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2013, 05:53:58 PM »
Without springs, it's too low for the jack.....




So, the temp cure for springs....



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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2013, 10:52:19 AM »
Awesome and inspiring project. You work much faster than I good sir! :P

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I have always found it easier to drop them in without anything on the front of the engine (sometimes with/without balancer) and nothing on the back.

This way the front rad support isn't cut.

Others may have better ways to do things.....

I'm pretty sure that's what was done with my cleveland. At least that's what I had to do in reverse to get it out and I tried reallllly hard to take it out as one unit.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2013, 04:13:17 PM »
Rough area on the left inner fender I'm thinking about cutting out. I'd replace it with new metal at a straight angle towards the top of the cut out. Inside the green tape.



Same on the right side.


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2013, 07:27:43 PM »
I like watching your progress, this is addicting! LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2013, 01:16:27 PM »
this article is great. sorry for dumb question, but could you tell me or anyone else for that matter, where i can get some motor mounts like you pictured? thanks for posting this project and good luck..