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Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« on: May 24, 2013, 06:14:52 AM »
Don't like yellow  ;D

Loaded up & ready to leave in the AM , near Orillia Ont.

 



70 KM shy of Wa Wa Ont. had a blow out on the trailer. Of course, no cell service. Had to jack the trailer & take the tire off. Then unhook the trailer & drive to Wa Wa & find a new tire. It shredded due to having to drive a couple KM to a safe place to pull over. Lost a half day due to this.




I left picking this car up till May to avoid winter driving conditions & salt. ::)

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 06:26:45 AM »
When I first started the car it ran badly. Would not stay running. I could hear #5 exhaust rocker making noise.
Get it home & took the left rocker cover off. #5 had an extra jamb nut on the stud.
I had (originally) wanted to do a simple tune up & check all other items on the car so it would pass the out of Province inspection.
So I pulled the heads to check them out. They also needed new valve seals.
I have another set of heads. I'll take both sets in & get the best set rebuilt.






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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 06:35:59 AM »
Sitting in my nice cool shop having a beverage, I got to thinking...... I have all kinds of 302w parts.
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake & 600 cfm Edelbrock carb. MSD dizzy & 6AL. Short water pump. Aluminum alt brackets & pulleys. Front engine mounts & Headman Headers. Car has an auto. No more, because I have all needed to put my T-5 into it.
One wire alt.
So I kept tearing stuff out. Note it has an AC unit. This will get pulled out & replaced with the heater from my blue parts car. As will the clutch/brake pedal unit.
Replacing the heater will give more clearance for the hoses.


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 06:43:23 AM »
It had motor mounts from a Mustang ll. The frame mounts had only one 3/8" bolt in each one ! No welds !
The original Pinto frame mounts were poorly taken out.










Plan is to weld an 1/8" plate from behind the damage , up to close to the rad support. This will give the frame rails strength all the way up for the new front engine mounts.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 06:47:36 AM »
Engine bay as it was. Had an Autolight 2 bl carb. Had a plastic fan bolted to the water pump, ready to blow apart. Not using one after it goes back together. Just the electric one. I have no idea why, but the toggle switch to turn the electric fan on was next the battery ! I will hook it up to a 180 degree sensor.




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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 06:56:36 AM »
Original plan was to do as little as possible & use it as a driver till the white car is done.

When the white one is done, I'll do a ground up change to this yellow one. It will be a light weight car. I have fiberglass : fenders, air dam, bumper. I'll pick a hood up for it as well. Going to gut the car. Full color change to blue (thinking maybe like the new F-150s).
Sub frames & tubs. Narrowed 9".
The engine I've been looking at is the all aluminum 351w bored & stroked to 427 from Ford Racing. 600 HP.
Not sure on trans yet.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2013, 07:10:45 AM »
I remember reading on this site that the AC/heater is difficult to remove.
They were right  :o

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2013, 05:49:51 PM »
When I got the car home I pulled the spark plugs. #5 was so gummed up it wouldn't fire.
When I pulled the heads this cyl had a puddle of oil sitting on the piston (cleaned up before pic).
Looking at the valve seals, all were up on the valve stems. Soft yet, but wrong kind ?
Getting the heads re-built. Stronger springs. New cam etc.....
#5 is the clean one on the left. Oil & not firing made it clean.

 

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2013, 10:26:12 AM »
For the cost of getting your iron heads rebuilt,you could probably make a substantial down-payment on a modest set of aluminums.  Just a thought.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2013, 03:53:22 PM »
I was thinking the same thing myself. Unless they are a late set of 60's or modern fuelie heads they wont flow worth a damn anyways. even something low end like the edelbrock e streets are a big bonus. modern chambers and aluminum for better ping suppression.   You're in my neck of the woods. If you are just gonna rebuild a set of iron heads i have some big plug c90e 351w heads in the shed that you can have for 80 bucks. they are cores that need doin.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2013, 06:06:01 PM »
if you want to go iron I have a pair of 351 '69 big valve gt heads already done with manley stainless valves,135seat # springs,and manley keepers. They are set up for screw in studs. I also have a fresh pair of world products iron165cc intake runners that flow like crazy.They are 1.94" intake 1.60"exhaust  The shipping from the east coast might be steep,but I can use you right on the price.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2013, 08:26:16 AM »
Idea for now is to keep it as cheap as I can, but still have a "fun" car to thrash.
The engine will be for 2-3 summers. Then a complete change & scrap the 302w.

Also, I'm not sure I'd trust aluminum heads with these mounts ?



I'll be using these headers.


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2013, 11:45:50 AM »
National head service has stock iron heads all done for about $300.00/pr. Might be less money than having your local machine shop do them,  Just saying     

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2013, 03:06:59 PM »
It can never be easy. There's always a problem that gums up the works.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2013, 04:57:10 AM »
Had the rad cleaned & pressure tested : all OK.
Same for the heater core : toast.
Found a NOS one, with seals & it's on the way !
Taking the heater box (from the blue parts car) completely apart. Drilling the factory rivets out & will sand blast all the metal parts & paint. Then rivet back together.

Work is slowing things down.....

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2013, 06:09:16 AM »
Found & bought a set of re-built closed chamber heads for $150.00 each.


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2013, 06:12:41 AM »
Weld, grind, sand blast & prime.
Battery tray in rough shape, but useable. Will be a trunk mount in the future re-build anyway. Blasted & painted.








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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2013, 06:20:45 AM »
Picked up a tank of gas & a 10lb spool of wire for the mig.
Never welded like that before.....
Next I'll tackle the fire wall. (and that hole through the inner fender by battery)

Made some changes as well.
Moved the 2 1/2" hole for the wire harness up and to the left.
Going to move the bottom heater hose hole up & over as well.
I will also be installing a 90 degree fitting in the 2 heater hoses at the fire wall.
Hoses do not bend sharp enough.
I'll be running them sharp right, against the fire wall, along the inner fender, behind the battery (you can see where I trimmed out some of the welded on part for more clearance). Then back to the engines front right.

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2013, 03:41:14 PM »
Some trim work to do yet. But it gives an "idea" on what to cut out to get the (V8) moved back as far as can be, without deleting the heater.
I will be able to move the engine back an inch farther than the B2P (BOSS 302 Pinto).
I already have the piece made for the top part. Pics later.


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2013, 09:19:42 PM »
So much for keeping it simple  :o
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2013, 01:39:34 AM »
Funny how that works, eh !  ;D

A few simple things & it snow balls from there !

Going to move the brass brake distributor (?) up onto the inner fender, just in front of the master. Will also install a line lock. Also all new brake lines.......an d all other brake parts.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2013, 10:11:02 AM »
I am sooooo hoping my '71 doesn't snowball like that. I just wanna drive it  :'(
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2013, 10:36:55 AM »
I just wanna drive it  :'(
Well, ya know the saying about that dontcha, "if it works don't fix it"... :D :D
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2013, 07:40:32 PM »
when installing a 302 into my 77 i had to change to a blower motor that had a shorter motor section sticking out of the firewall to clear the valve cover. Just something to consider checking before your ready to drop the motor in
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2013, 07:47:58 AM »
With a 302w it clears. With my B2P the guy that originally built it cut the casing & welded a small piece back in (will see if I have a picture).

I had thought about putting a short fan motor in, & may well do that in the future due to the next engine I want. When it goes through the full resto in a few years ?

Since I'm cutting & welding, I may cut the inner fenders. The bulge where the battery is & under the brake master.
This will/should allow the room needed to run headers in a normal fashion ? I'll think on this more.
I know there is lots of room on the right. 

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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2013, 10:51:21 PM »
i found some blower motors at the local surplus store that are perfect for the job and less than an inch thick. pulled the metal mounting plate off the stocker and just tacked the new one in place with its mounting tabs. installs in heater box as normal.
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2013, 02:50:51 AM »
i found some blower motors at the local surplus store that are perfect for the job and less than an inch thick. pulled the metal mounting plate off the stocker and just tacked the new one in place with its mounting tabs. installs in heater box as normal.
this topic has been around for a while on various builds. if you can, some pics & part #'s would go a long way toward helping out the next guy/gal with a clean install
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2013, 07:25:22 AM »
Found a picture of the heater motor alteration. I didn't do this....so no idea what internal mods had to be made ?


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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
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Re: Ugly Yellow 72 Pinto
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2013, 06:33:48 PM »
Top section welded in. I'll grind it after all welding is done.
Welding from the inside as well.
I'll get a better picture.