Author Topic: Thought I'd put my 73 wagon here (Read 38524 times)

bbobcat75 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 16, 2013, 11:21:14 AM »

YES WAGON ONLY, THE HATCH BACK / SEDAN USES A DIFFERENT STYLE SHOCK, IM SURE THERE IS A AIR SHOCK FOR THEM, BUT LOOKS LIKE THE WAGONS SAG IN THE REAR MORE OFFTEN THEN THE HATCH / SEDANS!!!

TAKE CARE

BBOBCAT75

dianne · « **Reply #31 on:** October 16, 2013, 11:27:43 AM »

Quote from: bbobcat75 on October 16, 2013, 11:21:14 AM

YES WAGON ONLY, THE HATCH BACK / SEDAN USES A DIFFERENT STYLE SHOCK, IM SURE THERE IS A AIR SHOCK FOR THEM, BUT LOOKS LIKE THE WAGONS SAG IN THE REAR MORE OFFTEN THEN THE HATCH / SEDANS!!!

TAKE CARE

BBOBCAT75

Actually, the shocks are pretty much the same with the exception of that 1 1/2". The spacer made it fit perfectly!!!

But mine sagged around 3" and this was a BIG improvement and better than spending almost $400.00 on new springs. Dave told me that rearcking these would have been more.

dave1987 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 16, 2013, 05:08:04 PM »

Yeah, mainly because no one here does it anymore.

Here are pictures of the new door panels I installed for her yesterday. I didn't think I would ever see the correct door panels on the car again, but they look great!

Nice find Dianne!

Also below are pictures of the beautiful air shock mounting on the passenger side. The car looks amazing at the proper height in the rear, I didn't think it was THAT low until I saw it at the correct level height! Must ride nice! I can't wait for mine to arrive, and hope it helps the rear sag on the driver side!

dianne · « **Reply #33 on:** October 16, 2013, 05:12:39 PM »

Thanks for doing that Dave! I'm also glad you're happy with what I'm doing to Milo!

We should get a Pinto gathering going here in Idaho!

jeremysdad · « **Reply #34 on:** October 16, 2013, 05:59:01 PM »

I'm lost. You bought 'Brownie', yeah? Brownie, the wagon? So, the shocks should have been a direct bolt-in, or did somebody miss something somewhere along the thread (could have been me)?

Otherwise...yo u need the springs! Glad he helped you out to make it right though. That's stand-up stuff you don't see much in this country anymore.

dianne · « **Reply #35 on:** October 16, 2013, 06:21:33 PM »

Quote from: jeremysdad on October 16, 2013, 05:59:01 PM

I'm lost. You bought 'Brownie', yeah? Brownie, the wagon? So, the shocks should have been a direct bolt-in, or did somebody miss something somewhere along the thread (could have been me)?

Otherwise...yo u need the springs! Glad he helped you out to make it right though. That's stand-up stuff you don't see much in this country anymore.

Yes, I bought Brownie and now he's Milo. The shocks are for hatchbacks and I have a wagon, if you look at the picture Dave took at the mechanics, you'll see the spacers that were needed for them to fit correctly. The springs are still there

I'm going to help Dave with his bodywork and he's a great guy! Found him the air shocks. Now we need his car painted bright yellow

I'll spray it for him also!

jeremysdad · « **Reply #36 on:** October 16, 2013, 06:45:35 PM »

Warning: I admitted I probably missed something.

lol So the shocks went in the Blue (Sedan/Runabout/not a wagon) car, then?

That's a tidbit worthy of the FAQ's (cause it's a 'forum' specific thing (people can Google to get anywhere, but once there, they're lost...cause there's no button that says 'Search.')...people don't know what the magnifying glass means. Or they have to join to search!!! (Ummm...so search once, at least, please, before posting.)

Just a lesson, whipper-snappers...that means 'I can't see what I'm looking for, so I'm "searching for it"! Or...I'm bored...so I'm going to burn ants.' They were, for the record, extremely handy for finding things like too-small fonts in encyclopedias.)

If you want to know how to set fire to stuff with a magnifying glass, just Google it. I'm going back to the UK for cam selection advice.

lol

dianne · « **Reply #37 on:** October 16, 2013, 07:40:34 PM »

Quote from: jeremysdad on October 16, 2013, 06:45:35 PM

Warning: I admitted I probably missed something. lol So the shocks went in the Blue (Sedan/Runabout/not a wagon) car, then?

The air shocks went into the brown wagon (was Brownie is now Milio). Dave, the blue sedan not a wagon, just ordered his air shocks yesterday on ebay. So his car will have them without having to use spacers. Dave posted a picture from the mechanic's place to show the installation of Pinto air shocks manufactured for a sedan/hatchback/runabout in the Pinto wagon with the spacers. I hope that made it clearer.

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That's a tidbit worthy of the FAQ's (cause it's a 'forum' specific thing (people can Google to get anywhere, but once there, they're lost...cause there's no button that says 'Search.')...people don't know what the magnifying glass means. Or they have to join to search!!! (Ummm...so search once, at least, please, before posting.)

I'm not certain what you are saying I did wrong and what I should have done before I posted. Are you saying that I should have searched the FAQs to see if someone else posted something about using standard Pinto shocks in a Wagon? Someone told me on a thread that there would be a difference and spacers should be used. In this thread I was discussing what I did on my Pinto, not for a FAQ, but what I had done on my wagon.

Again, are you telling me I posted something incorrectly on her Sir? Please explain yourself.

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Just a lesson, whipper-snappers...that means 'I can't see what I'm looking for, so I'm "searching for it"! Or...I'm bored...so I'm going to burn ants.' They were, for the record, extremely handy for finding things like too-small fonts in encyclopedias.)

Again, I have no clue on the reference here and if you're trying to explain something. Are you attempting to teach me how to use a forum? I run one, I know how they work. Is it a specific rule as to what is allowed and I've broken some rule on the explanation of the air shocks on my wagon? You're somewhat ambiguous on your explanation and I am uncertain what you are trying to get across.

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If you want to know how to set fire to stuff with a magnifying glass, just Google it. I'm going back to the UK for cam selection advice. lol

I don't understand what point you're trying to get across. Maybe after you're finished with the UK for cam selection advise you can tell me. Again, this is a thread on my project of my 1973 Pinto Wagon. If you read the thread you would probably have understood what is/was going on. If you're trying to tell me something, just say it...

jeremysdad · « **Reply #38 on:** October 16, 2013, 07:46:19 PM »

Everything after this was humor (quoting myself): "Warning: I admitted I probably missed something. lol So the shocks went in the Blue (Sedan/Runabout/not a wagon) car, then?"

Backing away...carry on.

dianne · « **Reply #39 on:** October 16, 2013, 07:51:05 PM »

Quote from: jeremysdad on October 16, 2013, 07:46:19 PM

Everything after this was humor (quoting myself): "Warning: I admitted I probably missed something. lol So the shocks went in the Blue (Sedan/Runabout/not a wagon) car, then?"

Backing away...carry on.

Ummmmm, so you were attempting humor with all of that?

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That's a tidbit worthy of the FAQ's (cause it's a 'forum' specific thing (people can Google to get anywhere, but once there, they're lost...cause there's no button that says 'Search.')...people don't know what the magnifying glass means. Or they have to join to search!!! (Ummm...so search once, at least, please, before posting.)

Was that an attempt at humor Sir? Most of it is ambiguous as I said and I didn't understand what you were saying, maybe hitting the moonshine because it's 5:00 somewhere? So was that an attempt at humor? Help me understand. It seems like an attempt to troll me Sir.

I am trying to understand the intent of that response from you. Please explain. It honestly was an attempt at humor? You certain about that?

jeremysdad · « **Reply #40 on:** October 16, 2013, 08:19:51 PM »

It's the internet.

Calm down.

Here, I'll spell it out for you: "This was a joke aimed at people that lived (read: lived outside, with the Earth) from, oh...idk...the discovery of America, and really understood that their dead Uncles/Grandfathers/Great-Grandfathers might have done something better than we (this includes you) did. Yeah...so we just burned ants. with their magnifying glasses. Cause they told us to go do something other than annoy them, since we really didn't want to change their diapers. Lol.

Well...really?

?

God, damn, etc. Please, delete whatever I said in err.

dianne · « **Reply #41 on:** October 16, 2013, 08:22:45 PM »

LOL I guess. Like I said before, it's 5 o'clock somewhere

dave1987 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 16, 2013, 11:20:30 PM »

OFFICIAL NOTICE (I feel like this needs to be made known to avoid confusion later):

I used to be the owner of this 1973 Pinto Station Wagon, previously known here as "Brownie". I sold it to Dianne in September 2013, hoping the restoration I originally started with would be continued, and the car would be loved and cherished by someone as much as it was when in my possession.

Dianne has more than exceeded my expectations with the car and love she has for this car, and it really re-lights that "Pinto Fire" I had two years ago, getting be back into the Pinto Scene and working on my own 1978 Sedan again.

Back on topic, there was a member somewhere here that has used sedan gas shocks on their station wagon (all years use the same shock, same for non-wagons). I remember this because I actually consulted their post prior to attempting the use of my old, but still good, rear shocks from my 78 sedan to hold me off until I was able to source proper station wagon shocks.

When properly installed with the spacer, it poses no threat to the function of the shock, and operates just as it should without over extension.

Once I got the proper shocks for the station wagon, I switched over to those and put the sedan ones back into my 78's spare parts pile for when mine were to go out again

EDIT: Here is the thread I got my info from. Wittsend's reply is my reference.

http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/rear-shocks-for-wagon/msg81808/#msg81808

dianne · « **Reply #43 on:** October 17, 2013, 07:13:02 AM »

LOL Dave, that should clear it up

Now let's start the bodywork on that car of yours

bbobcat75 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 17, 2013, 07:29:05 AM »

DIANNE YOUR REAR SHOCK MOUNT ON THE TOP OF THE SHOCK IS WAY DIFFRENT THEN MY WAGON I DONT EVEN HAVE THAT BRACKET IN MINE!!
SO I WOULD SEE WHY THERE IS SO MUCH CONFUSION OUT THERE IN PINTO LAND!!! LOL

I HAVE ADDED PICTURES OF THE 2 DIFFERENT SHOCKS I HAVE USED THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE SEDAN/HATCH AND THE SECOND IS A WAGON SHOCK!!

TAKE CARE

dianne · « **Reply #45 on:** October 17, 2013, 07:36:43 AM »

Quote from: bbobcat75 on October 17, 2013, 07:29:05 AM

DIANNE YOUR REAR SHOCK MOUNT ON THE TOP OF THE SHOCK IS WAY DIFFRENT THEN MY WAGON I DONT EVEN HAVE THAT BRACKET IN MINE!!
SO I WOULD SEE WHY THERE IS SO MUCH CONFUSION OUT THERE IN PINTO LAND!!! LOL

I HAVE ADDED PICTURES OF THE 2 DIFFERENT SHOCKS I HAVE USED THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE SEDAN/HATCH AND THE SECOND IS A WAGON SHOCK!!

TAKE CARE

Of all the Pintos I've seen, the top one is the only one I ever saw on the two wagons. Mine and the 1970 I ran into at Walgreens one day. The shock mount on top is what I've seen on the other wagon. I haven't looked at any hatchbacks to be honest.

I think the initial confusion came from someone trying to make a joke I guess...

dave1987 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 17, 2013, 10:15:02 PM »

Wow, I've never seen a Pinto shock with an eyelet mount! Every Pinto shock I have ever seen was with threaded rod at both ends, and I've been under over 20 Pintos (maybe 9 were wagons), about 15 of them at junk yards (to be fair

).

From the sounds of it, you may have a Mustang II lower shock mount (that's where the eyelet end is secured, correct?), since most of the Mustang II suspension in Pinto swappable.

dianne · « **Reply #47 on:** October 18, 2013, 06:45:03 AM »

So you can take Mustang II parts and place them on the Pinto? I had a new Mustang II in 1974, I sold the Boss 302 (yeah I know). I never looked under the car to be honest. Someone told me the Mustang II was based on the Pinto, kinda like the Monza and the Vega. So you can replace the shock mounts from a Mustang II in a Pinto? Hmmmmm

I don't need to change anything I guess, but that's good to know. More parts for a Mustang than a Pinto, kind of like more parts for a 1970 Mustang than a Maverick.

Wittsend · « **Reply #48 on:** October 18, 2013, 10:45:10 AM »

Well, a Mustang II person will debate that they and Pinto's are the same. Regardless, there are many direct swap parts and others that work with little adaptation. In the case of your '73 there are less parts that cross over. '71-'73 Pinto's are their own animal. And, FYI the '73 has a "one year only" steering rack.

Common parts that swap are:
8" rear end
Wheels
2.3 - V6 engine/parts
Transmissions (2.3 - V6)

Various interior parts (may require some modification):
Seats
Center console

Others will likely know more. I'm just going of the top of my sleepy morning head.

Tom

dianne · « **Reply #49 on:** October 18, 2013, 11:08:42 AM »

First off let me tell you your white Pinto looks awesome. I've been eye balling that white wagon also!

Dave has a center console in his Pinto that looks awesome in there! I need to find one in tan honestly. I had a Mustang II I bought new in 1974 after selling my 1970 Boss 302 (don't laugh at me, there was a gas shortage).

Thanks!

dianne · « **Reply #50 on:** October 20, 2013, 06:10:50 PM »

I gotta tell you, each time I think I'm close to paint, I need more work to make it as perfect as I can get it. So far I think I have the front fender done. Weather looks good so I did some work today. I ordered lacquer primer and it didn't come last week, I couldn't wait so sanded the heck out of Milo. I'll prime it when it gets in. I think I'm closer now LOL - said that before. Hoping to paint within the next month or so. I'm getting the Maverick back soon, I hope, and I'll have to sand the stuffins out of that one.

Here it is so far, getting those ridges out of the paint where you grind is a pain!

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #51 on:** October 20, 2013, 09:44:48 PM »

Wish I had the talent for body work like that..

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #52 on:** October 20, 2013, 09:48:53 PM »

Quote from: dianne on October 18, 2013, 11:08:42 AM

I had a Mustang II I bought new in 1974 after selling my 1970 Boss 302 (don't laugh at me, there was a gas shortage).

Don't feel bad I made the same mistake..

dianne · « **Reply #53 on:** October 20, 2013, 09:49:02 PM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 20, 2013, 09:44:48 PM

Wish I had the talent for body work like that..

Honestly, I didn't have the talent, only the patience and YouTube. I'm pretty certain the fender is perfect and the rest that I got. When I get the primer I'll do it and we'll see when it's still wet. That shows everything in a bright light. Honestly, YouTube is teaching me!

I am so impatient on wanting to paint it, but I want it so perfect that it looks better than when it came from the factory if that's at all possible. I need to do the interior, said I wasn't going to, but I have to do the doors at the very least. Since Dave said something when we were looking at them, I have to have that perfect also - sheesh. That's next years project. I have to get the Ramble and Maverick done also.

I don't know much about heaters, but I got a 35,000 BTU propane one I'm hoping lets me work through the winter on the cars...

dianne · « **Reply #54 on:** October 20, 2013, 09:50:35 PM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 20, 2013, 09:48:53 PM

Don't feel bad I made the same mistake..

Think we've all made mistakes on cars over the years. I'm correcting mine now

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #55 on:** October 20, 2013, 09:58:57 PM »

Quote from: dianne on October 20, 2013, 09:49:02 PM

Honestly, I didn't have the talent, only the patience and YouTube. I'm pretty certain the fender is perfect and the rest that I got. When I get the primer I'll do it and we'll see when it's still wet. That shows everything in a bright light. Honestly, YouTube is teaching me!

I am so impatient on wanting to paint it, but I want it so perfect that it looks better than when it came from the factory if that's at all possible. I need to do the interior, said I wasn't going to, but I have to do the doors at the very least. Since Dave said something when we were looking at them, I have to have that perfect also - sheesh. That's next years project. I have to get the Ramble and Maverick done also.

I don't know much about heaters, but I got a 35,000 BTU propane one I'm hoping lets me work through the winter on the cars...

Oh trust me you've got the talent, I've tried several times at body work and glasswork and had tons of instruction and teaching and I can tell you how to do it all, but when it comes down to doing it not gonna happen it turns out worse than before I started, LOL..

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #56 on:** October 20, 2013, 10:02:49 PM »

Quote from: dianne on October 20, 2013, 09:50:35 PM

Think we've all made mistakes on cars over the years. I'm correcting mine now

Yeah, and in my case more than once, lol..

dianne · « **Reply #57 on:** October 20, 2013, 10:07:03 PM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 20, 2013, 09:58:57 PM

Oh trust me you've got the talent, I've tried several times at body work and glasswork and had tons of instruction and teaching and I can tell you how to do it all, but when it comes down to doing it not gonna happen it turns out worse than before I started, LOL..

Well, the proof will be when the paint goes on honestly. I've got to setup a paint booth thing in my garage yet. I read and watched some videos using blanket sheets (from Goodwill or Idaho Youth Ranch or the DI). First cleaning the floor real good after cleaning and blowing out the garage then spraying the walls some so any dust clings to the sheets. Any dust will show up pretty badly I think. I will have to try it and see. So we'll see how it turns out after I spray I guess, frigging me out, but they want a LOT to just spray the car. I'm going to buy a single stage paint from Limco or something like that.

So I dunno, patience is the big thing I guess...

If it works, everyone from work wants their cars done, LOL Told them they would have to sand and prep it like I am and I don't think they want to try it honestly... But I also have 2 others after this one

Thanks for the vote of confidence

bbobcat75 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 20, 2013, 10:08:45 PM »

dave1987 the eyelid bots to the top, and the lower end is the threaded rod! I don't have that upper mount on either of my wagons a 73 pinto and a 78 bobcat! so I have to figure they are correct plus when you look up a rear shock for a 78 bobcat at napa shows the eyelid shock! just my 2 cents take care

bbobcat75

its a ford product in early 90s ford had 3 different serp. belt set ups in the f150 with 3 different belts sizes and all would have same options figure that one out!! so these rear shocks are no real BIG surprise to me!! lol
take care!

dianne · « **Reply #59 on:** October 20, 2013, 10:10:10 PM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 20, 2013, 10:02:49 PM

Yeah, and in my case more than once, lol..

Trust me, I've sold cars that are worth a LOT now. My 70 Monte Carlo was the best car I've ever owned. Saw one in the condition of mine, but it went for 12k. So I have lots of stories, a 69 Mustang convertible and the list can go on

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