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simple fat bumper fix
« on: September 25, 2011, 11:56:41 PM »
If this was a perfect world, I would just unbolt the bumper brackets from the frame, push the bumpers into back to an attractive position, and bolt them back on. Believe it or not that is exactly what you can do. Ford has put holes in the frame to allow you to do just that. It is not exactly easy. The front bumper took me 2 hours. The back took 6 hours.
    Take off the front bumper and the brackets. Drill a new mounting hole in the bracket as seen the photo.
 http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=drillhole.jpg&newest=1
The bracket mount will fit too close to the radiator frame to leave the bolt in this position. Reattach the brackets in the retracted position, using the bolt hole in the second position for your first bolt.  Now a hole in the frame lines up perfectly with your second bolt. See second photo.
http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=relocarion3.jpg
 This hole does not have an attached bolt.  Behind this position you will see an oblong hole. Review photo. Using a stiff wire make a loop around a nut, hot glue it to secure it to the wire. Photo.
http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=nuttrick.jpg
Fish it through the oblong hole to line up with the bolt, tighten down. Reassemble the bumper. Done.
http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=DSC02747.jpg
 For some reason the mounting frame for the radiator on passenger side was inch too far forward to allow the bracket to fit properly. A light tap with a sledge hammer moved it back into the correct position. See photo. red tape shows where I hit with the hammer. http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=radiatortap.jpg
    Back bumper retraction is more complicated. In addition to basic tools you will need 24 inches of socket extensions. Get some from your friends before you start. Some touch-up paint will also be helpful. Jack up car just in front of back wheel and set on jack stands. See photo.
http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=DSC02783.jpg
Detach shocks. Remove bumper, and rubber valance. Remove bolts from bracket and leaf spring mount and let down. Cut out the bridge plate shown in the next photo.Bridge plate has 2 small holes with larger hole in the center. http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=strap.jpg
 Cut off the last hole on the mounting bracket where it protrudes beyond the back of the car. Photo.
http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=DSC02785.jpg
Take bolt clips from hole cutoffs and fit holes in the area where you cut out the bridge plate.. ( very difficult ) Before you bolt everything back in fit bumper bolt through the top hole, tape it in place so that it does not drop out wile you are working. You will not be able to fit this though after brackets are attached. Attach brackets and springs. finished position
http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=DSC02800.jpg
You might want to put masking tape on sides of body where bumper wraps around. Photo. http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=DSC02795.jpg
It is easy to rub bumper on body wile working, this will prevent scratching. By the way. This applies to front as well. Paint the mounting plates with touch-up paint as they will show a little after work is done. Mount bumper with bottom bolts, loose, just a few threads. Fit socket extensions together, Tape them together so you wont lose one. On drivers side from in front of the back tire, slide socket extensions over the top of the filler neck and slip own the channel onto the top bumper bolt. Tighten down. On passenger side you will need to take a pliers and bend a little of the sheet metal fender liner to allow for the socket to slide down the channel. Tighten down bottom bolts. Reattach the shocks. You are done. The mounting holes of the bumper valance show. I took round top bolts and painted them with touch-up paint. Tightened bolts in to fill the holes. Looks like manufacturer bolted something in ,from the factory. Photos  http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=DSC02790.jpg    job finished
Special thanks to Moonman for valuable help. I know it is long but worth it
Good luck
Bill
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2014, 01:18:10 AM »
Hi. I was going to PM you, but I couldn't manage to quote from the above in the PM. Besides, this should be up top anyways.  ;D

I want to do this, but I have a few questions about the rear bumper, if you don't mind.

" Remove bumper," I am assuming you mean "from the mounting brackets, leaving brackets attached to car" at this point?

You said "Cut out the bridge plate shown in the next photo.Bridge plate has 2 small holes with larger hole in the center." Did you mean to cut out the center of this plate, leaving what is welded to the frame in place? If so, since this is where the nut clips go, would it be better to grind off the welded part, or would that leave the area too weak? Maybe just grind out where the nut clips go to make them fit easier?

 Again, you said "Cut off the last hole on the mounting bracket where it protrudes beyond the back of the car." I am assuming you mean all four?

Again, (sorry, I am not able to visualize a lot of this) "Before you bolt everything back in fit bumper bolt through the top hole, tape it in place so that it does not drop out wile you are working. You will not be able to fit this though after brackets are attached." Where is this top hole located? And is it just one per side, or two? And can the bumper be removed and reattached after all this is done?

I think those were the major sticking points I have.

Thanks again for posting this info in the first place.

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2014, 10:55:35 AM »
It has been several years since I did this. Give me a couple of days to review and refresh myself as to what I did.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2014, 05:26:31 PM »
Dear Russ

The answer to the first question is yes. leave brackets on car. Second I did not grind. I bet it would be easier if you did. It was very tough to get the clips on at this point. I did not happen to think of grinding. It worked out ok the way I did it. Yes cut off all four. There are 2 bolts per side that attach the bumper to the iron mounting plate. Put the top bolts through the iron plate and tape in place before you assemble.
    Before I did this back bumper, I posted a photo of the bridge plate and posed the question. "I want to cut this out, does anyone know a reason I should not cut it, and if I do, does anyone see a reason I can not mount my bumper this way? Moonman did not just answer my question but he mounted his bumper in the way I proposed. It was my idea, but he did it first. Moonman pointed out that he had problems with this bolt and had to tape it in place, as I now recommend.
 The bumper can be detached. Mounting and removing it requires 24" of socket extensions, so it takes patience and time. I hope I never need to remove it.
   After I posted this I received few comments. To the best of my knowledge, no one else has done it. I thought everyone would love the idea, but I guess not.
    I worked my way through this just trial and error. I think it will explain it's self as you go. You may even find better ways of doing things than I found.
Good luck
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2014, 08:46:52 PM »
Thanks!

I know that there is at least one more person wanting to do this your way, he posted the link to this in response to a question I had posted.

I for one really appreciate your taking the time to post this originally and for the time to answer my questions.  ;D

I have removed the front bumper, just need to drill the holes. Hoping to get that done and at least start on the rear this week.

Just wanted to double check on the removal. I will be doing this mod now, but will need to remove the bumper whenever it is time to paint the car. Might be years.  :(

I also got your PM. I really appreciate that.  8)

Thanks, again!
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2014, 10:45:11 AM »
I'll be doing the same thing with mine too, can't stand them bumpers sticking out there. >:(
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2014, 08:34:45 PM »
Exactly.
I just wish there was a simple way to cut down on the weight. That piece behind the bumper (reinforcement?) weighs a ton.
But at least this way it will look so much better.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2014, 08:03:52 AM »
I'm sure with some thought something could be made to replace it with something lighter.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2014, 01:07:04 PM »
Aluminum 77/78 bumpers. Same shape.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2014, 01:52:46 PM »
Thanks!
Didn't know that.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2014, 05:52:28 PM »
Thanks!
Worth looking into.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2014, 08:37:01 AM »
Great info guys, looks like it's not a hard project after all..
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2014, 09:16:40 AM »
Jack! Tell us about the air dam. Looking good like a Pinto should.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2014, 04:44:35 PM »
Thanks Jack. I'm going to come up with about the same idea on mine. I'll use 1/8" ABS plastic and a big heat gun to form it around the fenders. Now you need to get it LOW.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2014, 06:46:31 AM »
I understand Racer Walsh does not sell the 1" blocks anymore. I think the blocks for a Ranger PU are the same with the oval boss that fits into the spring pads. You must have that boss to keep the rear end in place. With only 1" blocks the stock u bolts will still work. Go for it!!!!
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2014, 08:08:43 PM »
Now THAT'S a gorgeous yellow Bobcat! Beautiful car!!
 
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2014, 10:18:39 PM »
For anyone that wants to see what this looks like on a pinto instead of a bobcat here are my results


I think it looks angry in this pic ^...    I like it  ;D

This is a 78 ( aluminum bumpers  8) ) but I swapped out my headlight rings for the early style.

Also if you would like to make the bumper install easier and eliminate the use of excessive ratchet extensions then just bolt the mount to the bumper before bolting the mounts to the car.  a box wrench can then be used to loosen the bumper bolts just enough to level and adjust the bumper.
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2014, 10:22:25 PM »
That looks good, and thanks for the tip..
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2014, 12:52:01 PM »
That looks good, and thanks for the tip..

There you go Art, now you can lose those bumpers you don't like :-D
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2014, 01:20:00 PM »
Yep, looks 200% better.. :D
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2014, 02:50:49 PM »
Yep, looks 200% better.. :D

Yeah, really an awesome look!!!!
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2014, 06:07:04 PM »
Yeah, really an awesome look!!!!
Yeah, anything looks better than that battering ram sticking out there, lol.. ;D
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2014, 06:47:28 PM »
For a man that drives these daily and has been backed into, rear ended and bumped countless times, the stock deals are all I will ever use. I mean they do stick out but boy do they work! Weirdly, I think I am the only one that prefers the look of the big bumper cars. To each is own, this is why we have a world full of variation. Otherwise life would be boring, like with the mustang owners. ahahahahah!
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2014, 12:24:21 AM »
For a man that drives these daily and has been backed into, rear ended and bumped countless times, the stock deals are all I will ever use. I mean they do stick out but boy do they work! Weirdly, I think I am the only one that prefers the look of the big bumper cars.

No, you're not alone; strange as it may seem to some, I prefer the stock look of the big bumper cars too.  I would gladly swap my '72 Squire for a '74 or newer in equivalent condition just for that reason.

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2014, 01:00:06 AM »
Dwayne, I will gladly swap bumpers with you. You pay for the shipping of the big ones, I'll pay for the small ones. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2014, 01:33:46 AM »
I just noticed something that could be an issue. I don't see a front sway bar on Bill's car. I was looking at mine, and it looks like the sway bar mounting bracket could be in the way for the front bumper mount.
I only eyeballed it, so I could be wrong. Hopefully I am. But on mine it looks like that would be the second hole that Bill used, there is nothing else close that would be level.
His also looks like it mounts higher on the frame than mine . Maybe I am wrong. A Bobcat shouldn't be that different on the frame stuff, should it?
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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2014, 01:42:44 AM »
For anyone that wants to see what this looks like on a pinto instead of a bobcat here are my results

Dan, were you able to do this just the way Bill showed?
My car seems to be different.
Thanks,
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2014, 07:08:18 AM »
I have a question hope some one can help.   would bumpers for  77-78 fit a 79?

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2014, 08:03:58 AM »
I would gladly swap my '72 Squire for a '74 or newer in equivalent condition just for that reason.

Dwayne :)
Hmmm, now there's a thought... ;D ;D
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2014, 12:11:52 PM »
I have a question hope some one can help.   would bumpers for  77-78 fit a 79?
           YES they will fit and so will Fairmont of the late 70's.
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