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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2014, 02:36:57 PM »
thanks so much  because I have found a 78   but haven't found a 79 yet   thanks again

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2014, 11:37:55 PM »
Dan, were you able to do this just the way Bill showed?
My car seems to be different.
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yes, this was done exactly the same as how Bill showed except for the order of assembly.  What is different about your car and what year is it?
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2014, 11:51:48 PM »
It's a 74 wagon. The front sway bar frame mount bracket is in the way of moving the bumper frame mount back. It looks like the sway bar mounting hole would be the one I need for the rear most bolt.

Here's a picture. I measured the holes, and the sway bar mount is the right distance away if the hole in the bumper bracket is modified like Bill says to.

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2014, 09:06:19 AM »
hmmm... that is different.  it actually looks like the hole directly above the sway bar mount would correspond to what we used but yours is moved up on the rail.  Is there anyway you could vertically slot the back hole in the bumper mounts enough to use that upper hole and still be at the right angle?
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2014, 06:26:40 PM »
I don't know. I haven't tried to do this yet, I was just looking at the frame and noticed it.
Leave it to me to always have something odd.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2014, 07:45:56 AM »
Well, you're not alone I have one on mine too..  :D
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2014, 10:14:40 AM »
When I do the bumpers on the 80 I'm only going half way in & cutting the fillers down. When they are pulled all the way in it looks too stubby in the front. The rear looks better all the way in but the sides are too long where they wrap around. I thought about cutting 4 inches out of the sides in the rear & seeing if that helps the look.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2014, 12:05:23 AM »
Well, you're not alone I have one on mine too..  :D

I wonder if this is either a wagon thing, or only a 74 wagon thing?
Oh, well. Might have to do the rear Bill's way and see what I can come up with for the front. Someone mentioned taking the reinforcement off and bolting the bumper straight to the mounts. If I remember right the only thing about that is it doesn't bring the bumper all the way in.
If I get the energy to do anything again I'll try it.
Or maybe I'll get rich and just buy the small bumpers. hahahahaha.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2014, 08:03:01 AM »
I'm sure there's a way of doing it, may have to fab some brackets??..
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2014, 03:03:28 PM »
That would probably be the best way. However my fabbing is limited to what I can do with a hand drill, a hacksaw and/or a grinder.  :-[
And possibly a BFH. ;D

I am thinking that if I remove the reinforcement piece from the bumper that should make the rest light enough so I can modify the mounts if I need to. I wouldn't want to do that with the full weight of the stock setup though. Although to maintain the correct spacing I am wondering if I will have to cut the reinforcement up and use like 4 inches (width) on each mount since fabbing a spacer for me isn't in the cards.

Just going to have to start playing with it I guess. I'm trying to get motivated to go out there right now, but it is a tad warm. ;D

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2014, 03:59:09 PM »
Well, that was interesting.  ???

I just found out that this mod won't work at all on my car, at least not in the front.  :(
I took the mounts off the bumper so I could work with them, and found out that if I move them back one hole the front of them won't clear the frame. It's not by a lot, but enough. I'd have to measure it to see exactly, but I am thinking much less than one inch. The mounts seem to be totally uncompressed. Both sides are the same way. Everything fit nicely before I took the bumper off.  :-\ :o

I really don't know what is going on. I was thinking maybe it was a wagon thing, but my manual shows the same dimensions for the frame holes for both the sedan and the wagon. I wouldn't imagine that the newer years would be any different there.

Who needs a bumper anyway? ;D

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2014, 04:09:11 PM »

Who needs a bumper anyway? ;D



I guess that's one way of looking at it!

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2014, 05:21:27 PM »
Wagons look good with a roll pan out back & no bumper to break it up.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2014, 08:53:51 AM »
Well, that was interesting.  ???

I just found out that this mod won't work at all on my car, at least not in the front.  :(
I took the mounts off the bumper so I could work with them, and found out that if I move them back one hole the front of them won't clear the frame. It's not by a lot, but enough. I'd have to measure it to see exactly, but I am thinking much less than one inch. The mounts seem to be totally uncompressed. Both sides are the same way. Everything fit nicely before I took the bumper off.  :-\ :o

I really don't know what is going on. I was thinking maybe it was a wagon thing, but my manual shows the same dimensions for the frame holes for both the sedan and the wagon. I wouldn't imagine that the newer years would be any different there.

Who needs a bumper anyway? ;D

Russ

is it the head of the bottom bumper bolt hitting the rad support?  that bolt has to be move as described in the original post.  otherwise I guess things changed somewhere between 74 and 78.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2014, 09:00:29 AM »
It is so funny. My post went almost 3 years without anyone making a reply. I could not imagine that this was not interesting to someone. Now 40 replies in just a month, it is so strange. Thank you Clyde for posting photos.

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2014, 08:03:21 PM »
Bill, it just took getting bumped at the right time.  ;D

Dan, no, it is the actual bracket that won't clear. Might be able to grind it down some, I haven't looked that hard at it yet.  :-\ I decided to move to another area I have been working on for now until I can come back with a clear head.

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2014, 12:33:40 AM »

 For some reason the mounting frame for the radiator on passenger side was inch too far forward to allow the bracket to fit properly. A light tap with a sledge hammer moved it back into the correct position. See photo. red tape shows where I hit with the hammer. http://s1124.photobucket.com/albums/l568/bobjoebob/bumper%20fix/?action=view&current=radiatortap.jpg
   

Ok, I was re-looking at this, and just noticed a major difference between Bill's car and mine. The radiator support and forward part of the frame is completely different.  :(

Mine matches what the 74 manual shows(Vol. IV Body page 47-09-02), so there must have been changes over the years.  :-\

Compare my pictures below to his in the above link.  His support has a nice curve to it. Mine is very angular(?), anyway, totally different. So I guess there shouldn't be a surprise that the front bumper mod won't work on my car. I am wondering when Ford changed the support over to the nice one like Bill has? I like curves.  ;D

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2014, 11:49:13 AM »
Could you drill new holes in the bracket or frame to allow you to bolt on anyway you see fit?
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2014, 01:54:23 PM »
That will be the only way to do this on mine with the stock bumpers, unless I could fabricate something.
Just another thing to think about. It doesn't have to be done anytime soon.
It would probably be easier to just get a small bumper, but easier always equals $.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2014, 05:57:36 PM »
I think at some point I'm going to make new brackets for my '80 out of steel plate with angle iron where the bumper shock is. I tried to drill out the shocks but I couldn't get it to push in. I still want it to stick out around an inch or so from the body in case I get hit.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2014, 02:25:45 AM »
Just for anyone with a 74, the rear bumper mounts are also different. I just took a look tonight. Sigh.
If I remember, I will try to get some better pictures of the rear setup on mine, but I will have to get it up in the air first. I was pretty much just pointing the camera at the area for these ones, but they should show enough of the difference.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2014, 02:36:26 AM »
And here are pictures of the 74 front bumper shock. Apparently very different than the 75 and up.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2014, 05:04:13 PM »
Put the front bumper shock in a press and make it shorter.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2014, 08:30:22 PM »
If I had a press that would work. My thought is to have the inners pressed out so I can remove the rubber and then hopefully the inners will just slide in and out so I can get them positioned in the right spot.

My reason for posting the pictures in this thread is just to let those with a 74 know that Bill's mod won't work on their cars, unfortunately. It's a great mod for those cars that it will work on.

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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2014, 09:57:43 PM »
Do you need a press can't you just beat them out?? then just slide it back..
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2014, 10:42:35 PM »
the rate my week is going I would end up in the hospital somehow.
I don't have any thing other than my two hands to hold, beat, drill, etc. I don't think I could do it with these. Not enough hands.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2014, 03:28:09 AM »
Well, I can't seem to paste the image here, but I was reading my factory manual (thanks Art) and it seems that for the rear bumpers the difference I am seeing IS because mine is a wagon. The rear bumpers mount differently on a wagon vs a sedan/hatchback.

So as long as you don't have a wagon (74 for sure, I don't know about the others) you can do the rear bumper fix.

Russ

reason for editing: I am having a really bad day and nothing is going right.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2014, 08:01:37 AM »
I don't have any thing other than my two hands to hold, beat, drill, etc. I don't think I could do it with these. Not enough hands.
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Time to invest in a BFH.. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2014, 03:21:00 PM »
That I have, just no way to really keep everything from flying when I hit it.
But my wife has me so p.o'ed right now I am going to go out and beat on it and see what happens.
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Re: simple fat bumper fix
« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2014, 03:29:32 PM »
Ahhh, a little incentive, LOL.. ;D ;D
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