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Dash Cap Installation
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2008, 06:29:01 AM »
There was a lot to trim down above the gauge cluster. The dash pad had started to bow upwards on both sides.

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Dash-Cap Installation
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2008, 06:33:10 AM »
Once that was finished the dash and the inside of the Dash-Cap were sanded with medium grade sandpaper and the silicon adhesive (included) was applied with a bead size of a pencil as per instructions included with it. After letting it sit on the dash, with paper towel rolls to "clamp" it and apply pressure between it and the windshield, for four hours it came out beautifully!

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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2008, 06:38:38 AM »
Now you can see the new interior. It looks amazing compared to what it used to be! I was really surprised at how much both the carpet and dash have improved the appearance of the car! I really didn't expect it to looks this nice, and I'm over joyed to have this part done with the car.

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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2008, 06:40:04 AM »
and some full shots of the inside from both sides.
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New Stereo System
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2008, 07:00:55 AM »
To ride in a nice "new" Pinto, and since it is my daily driver/only car, I had to install a new stereo system as well. The old Pioneer deck was starting the skip CDs, the rear Realistic (old Radio Shack brand) 6x9's were dry rotted, and the little temporary 3" speakers in the kick panels couldn't get very loud without distorting. It was time for an upgrade!

I do not have any pictures of the new 6x9 Pioneers in the back yet, but I will update this post with them as soon as possible.

For the front kick panel speakers I went with a pair of Pioneer TS-G671M 4-way 6.5" speakers. They can handle up to 260W of music power or 50W RMS (the most my deck can produce without an external amp), so distortion isn't a problem at all at high volumes.

Yes, a 6.5" speaker is massive for the Pinto's little kick panels. However the driver (magnet on the back) fits sung in the cut out behind the plastic kick panel, which gives you access to the door hinge bolts from the inside of the car. The speakers are around 3" tall when sitting on the magnet, or 3" deep when installed. The clearance from the body and the outside of the kick panel is about 2 inches, so I ended up having to cut a set of circular spacers from some particle board. I used my dad's drill press with a sanding drum on it to perfect them, and followed up by painting them black and clear coating them.

I personally love the look, however they arn't in the ideal location for most car audio phreaks. Most people would cut holes in the doors and mount them there like most cars have them. I myself didn't want to destroy my doors in any way and wanted to keep the speakers somewhat hidden. No, I do not kick them when shifting.  :cheesy_n:
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New Stereo System
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2008, 07:23:16 AM »
The new Pioneer DEH-P3900M deck was somewhat difficult to install. The Pinto's stock AM radio originally is secured to the dash by the tuner and volume knobs, following up with a screw on the back. I had to fabricate a mounting bracket for use with modern CD decks, which is screwed onto a 3/4" thick pieces of wood, then bolted to the dash from the bottom. the pressure from the cut radio bezel pressing down on the top of the radio keeps it from moving around.

It still needs a bit of work and some bezel work, but it came out pretty good for a 1 hour job!

The face plate comes off which I can place inside of an the old Pioneer deck's padded plastic face plate carrier. The deck also came with a remote so I don't have to strain my arm every time I want to adjust the audio!  :cheesy_n:
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2008, 07:32:35 AM »
Wow 10 posts in a row and the first time I have ever seen the recent post section with only one name from top to bottom. Hang in there dave1987. The car looks very nice BTW. :lol:

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New Brake Rotors
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2008, 07:43:08 AM »
Thanks turbo toy! Still a few more posts to go but I'm still pushin. :)

Last but not least, I installed the new brake rotors. The new rotors came with bearing races installed, however I removed them using a transfer punch and a mallet. I figure it'd be best to play it safe and use the matched races that came with the new bearings, instead of possibly ruining the new bearings and having to disassemble the new rotors all over again in a short time.

After about and hour of work removing the stock races, I installed the new bearing races with the aid of a tool my dad manufactured while he worked at Hewlett-Packard. He used a professional lathe to form this tool out of a wide aluminum dowel. He used the lathe to grind down sections of the dowel to the exact size of the bear race seats so new races can be installed by hand, with the ease and convenience of an open end wrench and a ratchet handle. Basically, tightening the nuts on each end presses the race inward, depending on which side's smaller press is going inwards.

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I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

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All Cleaned Up!
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2008, 07:47:55 AM »
After all the work done to the car I figured I should clean it up a bit with a spray bottle of heavily diluted car was shampoo & conditioner and some Meguiar's Quick Wax (in the red bottle). Here's the car after a spiffy spray bottle car wash and wax in the garage.  ;D

Notice the deep shine and great reflection!  8)

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All Cleaned Up!
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2008, 07:49:42 AM »
And some creative shots of the logo and passenger's side of the car (front to back).
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2008, 07:51:21 AM »
For cleaning my car I use the following products

Dash-Cap, kick panels, all plastic parts - Meguiar's Gold Class Protectant Wipes (www.meguiars.c om)
Rubber shift boot & Vinyl Seats - Meguiar's Gold Glass Vinyl/Rubber Proectant Spray (www.meguiars.c om)
Leather Seat Covers - Meguiar's Gold Glass Rich Leather Spray (www.mequiars.c om)

As far as the body of the car goes, I use all Meguiar's products. #62 Professional Shampoo & conditioner, their Hi-Tech Yellow paste wax, the occasional Quick Wax, and their Hot Rims Aluminum Wheel Cleaner for the hub caps.

I don't let anything touch the car except for microfiber towels, even during the drying stage. While washing the car, I use a sheepskin car wash mit. For removing light scratches and swirl marks, I use Meguiar's ScratchX which does wonders.

For glass I use Stoner's Invisible Glass from the spray can, not the bottle, being wiped out with a microfiber.

The car is washed once a week during the summer and once a month during winter. Waxed with Hi-Tech Yellow paste was every 2-3 months during the summer and Quick Wax'd once a month after the wash during the winter.

Keeping the exterior of the car in beautiful condition is just as important as the interior!

If anyone has any questions on detailing or paint care feel free to ask. If I can't answer it myself I will find someone who can!

Thats all for today. I will post more tomorrow of the trunk seal and I will update the photos of the rear speakers and new CD deck.
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2008, 02:08:40 PM »
 :amazed: WOW  :amazed:

Fantastic! Looks Great!
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2008, 04:01:20 PM »
Car is still looking awesome! My dad put a new dash pad in my Pinto just before he gave it to me and the dang thing already has a big ole crack in the middle of it. Keep it protected!
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2008, 09:01:38 PM »
Thanks guys!

Deffinately. With all of the things I purchased for the car restoration this year, I also got a set of round collapseable window shades. I'll be sure they are always up in the summer and that I part the car in the shade.

If worse comes to worse, I could (as could you), go to the scrap yard and pull a dash off an old pinto of the same year. Even if it's trashed, a new dash cap will fit over it perfectly if you cut down the high spots!
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2008, 10:59:35 PM »
Here's a shot of the original keys to the car. I no longer use them, or duplicates of them.

When my ex-girlfriend was driving the car she somehow offset the tumblers in the original ignition cylinder and I ended up having to replace the entire ignition cylinder housing on the steering column and the cylinder itself.

The original keys are made of aluminum and have the same key style as 70s Ford key blanks have at locksmith shops. I've been looking for aluminum blanks all around but I do not believe they are made anymore. Now all that there is produced is the chromed brass blanks.

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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2008, 02:55:06 AM »
That's who I purchased my current set of key blanks from. They are the same as the originals as far as design goes, but the material is like any other modern key (brass). Thanks for the link though!

If you happen to find some aluminum key blanks, I'd be all over them!
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« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2008, 04:09:02 AM »
Here is some of the original literature that came with my car back in 78 when it was new.

The Owners Manual. Notice the production date on the back.  :P
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« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2008, 04:11:14 AM »
Here is the original warranty booklet which covered the basic details of the warranty on the Ford Pinto or small Ford pickup back in 1978.

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« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2008, 04:17:52 AM »
The Warranty Identification Card. This was used to quickly process your information when your car required service within the warranty period. The fields would be filled out (blurred due to it containing my mother's past information and signature), and the aluminum plate would be stamped with your vehicle's identification number (VIN has been blurred) and a few other numbers. It also contained the Ford Dealership Number and the date that your vehicle was put into service (purchased). I haven't ever seen one of these before and I find it very neat that it was still in the glove box when I got the car. :)
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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2008, 04:21:14 AM »
And one last dinky little thing that I'm guessing no one on earth still has from an original Ford Pinto purchase from the dealership....

The plastic bag that they give you your owner's manual, owner card, warranty booklet and all other documents required by the purchaser before driving off the lot in their new car.

It's goofy to keep something that would otherwise be thought of as trash, but it really completes the literature side of my particular Pinto.  :P
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2008, 04:23:45 AM »
I have updated the post of the new stereo. There are now a couple pictures of the stereo in the dark.

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,7356.msg54457.html#msg54457

Here, as well, is an updated picture of the trunk. The only big difference is that I have painted the interior sides black, as well as around the seal where the lid covers.
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« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2008, 04:36:44 AM »
As I promised, I would show what I did for a trunk seal since a new one was around $80 shipped, where as I made this for under $6 from window weather/draft window rubber foam gaskets that I purchased from Walmart.

The bottom layer is 1/2" thick foam and the top is 5/16" thick foam. It was a little tall at first, and I really had to slam the trunk lid shut. Now, however, it isn't too bad and it just takes a little bit of motion to get it to latch. The best part of it all....No more water on my speaker cone in the trunk!  ;D
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #53 on: February 29, 2008, 03:01:28 AM »
I managed to find myself a rally steering wheel and a distributor dust cover off a Mustang II at the local pick-n-pull! I will have pictures up soon.
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #54 on: February 29, 2008, 02:31:34 PM »
The other day I found my warranty card/plate and that plastic bag shoved up under the dash of my pinto. It was so grungy I think its been there since the car was purchased.

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« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2008, 03:24:27 AM »
Probably was! Good to hear you found it though. It really gives the car some personal value knowing you have some of the original documentation and information from the dealership!
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2008, 09:54:26 PM »
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As I promised, I would show what I did for a trunk seal since a new one was around $80 shipped, where as I made this for under $6 from window weather/draft window rubber foam gaskets that I purchased from Walmart.
Nothing like a little old fashioned American inginuity..... They are always hard to close at first...it takes that stuff a while to settle...Good job Dave1987.


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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2008, 03:31:08 AM »
So I had the day off and decided to do my back dash since it was rattling badly when I had my bass up. My older brother who originally redid the dash back when he repainted the car, used 1/4" plywood with a good thick layer of Bondo to fill in the flat surface that shows towards the front of the car.

I took it a few steps further and used his plywood dash as a template and cut a new dash from 1/2" particle board. Much stronger and will not bend when the speakers are excessively torqued down. The old dash bowed up at the ends due to this reason, which is what prompted me to redo it. That and extreme vibration which I believe was a bi-product of the bowed thin plywood.

First I took my older brother's dash and drew a template onto a large sheet of 1/2" particle board. I used a cut off saw to cut the ends, cutting them at angles. After that I used a Rotozip to cut the arch at the back of the dash (about 1/8" away from the drawn line), finishing up with an electric radial palm sander to sand the excess material down to the line I drew from the original dash template.

After cutting the dash's initial shape, I did a test fit but it would not slide into place. This is due to an overhanging lip underneath the rear window which the stock dash slid under, and served as a hold down mechanism. (Picture 1)

So to fix this, I used a router bit on the Rotozip to remove close to 1/4" of the material inward and 1/4" deep into the wood, giving it a small lip around the arch so it would slip underneath the overhanging lip under the rear window.

Well it turned out that I trimmed too much material inwards and I had to pull out the Bondo to fill in the entire area that I trimmed. However, it came out better than I had planned because I filled it all in with a beveled edge, so it was more wedged into the overhanging groove under the rear window instead of pinched. (Picture 2)

Once that was complete the rear dash fit nice and snug! (Pictures 3 and 4)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2008, 03:34:11 AM »
Some more pictures of the perfect fit.

Picture 4 is of the groove under the rear window. It is a bit clearer to see what I am talking about here, however you really have to see it to know what I mean by it holding down the stock dash by pinching it.
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Re: Restoring my 78 Sedan
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2008, 03:40:16 AM »
Cutting holes for the speakers was the easy part. I cut them with the Rotozip, 1/8" away from the template line, then used a drum sander to remove material down to the line. I continued to sand down the speaker holes until the speakers rested in their positions without any friction, test fitting after 1/16 of the material was sanded off around each hole.

After that it was time to paint it and put a layer of clear coat on it. The clear coat is matte, which is all I had available at the time, however I plan to use a gloss lacquer on it soon.

The dash is held down by the lip of the rear seat and the groove under the rear window. The screws which pass through the speaker grills and the speaker mounting holes go straight through under the back panel and are secured with bolts which help to hold the board down tight and reduce vibration from music with a lot of bass.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!