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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2020, 10:25:19 AM »
Hi Rob,

Those wheels are similar to the ones available as factory options from Ford. I recently saw two of those original OEM wheels on Amazon priced at $160 for two. The seller did not have the other two, but in your case that's all you need. Would you like for me to locate the ad again for you?

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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2020, 12:52:26 PM »
Thanks Dan, but I'm all set.  I have received 3 of the 4 I ordered and the 4th one will be here soon.  I ordered the 4x4.5 bolt pattern rather than the Pinto 4/108mm pattern as my Mustang rear axles are 4x4.5 and it is going to be a lot easier to get the 5x4.5 rotors that come with my front end kit drilled for 4x4.5 than it would be to remove the Mustang axles  and have them re-drilled for the 4x108mm pattern.  I want them all to be the same bolt pattern so I can rotate tires.  I just got a BO notification that my front end kit still isn't complete and there is no estimated ship time.  That's fine with me.  I don't need it till May and they won't charge me until they ship.  They can store the parts for now, rather than me storing them!  I am looking forward t Spring so I can get back on this project!  For now I work 7 days a week and emergency calls don't stop just because it's Christmas...
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2020, 11:38:02 AM »
Your logic makes complete sense! For some odd reason I was thinking you were using the mechanicals from a Pinto as you parted out a Pinto for this project, although having a Mustang rear body.

Are you a firefighter or an EMT? ER doc? Regardless, thank you for your service during these trying times!

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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2020, 02:43:10 PM »
I'm using mechanicals from both the Mustang and the Pinto.  The rear half of the Mustang is where I will sit.  So the body panels, seat, rear suspension, rear axle, rear brakes and, tail lights are Mustang.

I grafted the Pinto front subframe to the Mustang rear frame.  So the Pinto portion is the engine, tranny, driveshaft (to be shortened), radiator, front suspension and brakes, cowl, firewall, dash and components, steering wheel and shaft, wiring harnesses, parking brake lever, and misc. other parts. 

Since it's no longer going to be a trike I should inquire about changing the title of the thread.  The trike idea was cool but I think it will be easier to make it a 4-wheel buggy.  I'm committed now since I already bought the front end kit and 4 rims!  I was out doing my oil change and tire rotation on the daily driver and spent a few minutes looking at my project wishing Spring was here!

As for my profession, I manage 4 locations for a large propane company.  My entire civilian career has been in the energy and HVAC industries.  This time of year we are extremely busy.  I have Drivers and Techs that work all hours so when they're working, I'm working.  I spen 6 days a week in the office and Sunday is on and off the computer supporting my men.    I am retired from the military (23 years of Navy and Air Force), 19 of those years were Reserve and Air Guard. 

I'll be 60 this coming year so a few more years of this and I'll be able to slow down a bit and do something different.  Then I'll have more time for my Harley, Mustang, and the Mustang-Pinto Buggy I'm building! 
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2021, 10:06:35 PM »
I'm back...I have started back on my project.  When I cut the Pinto up for my project, I cut the cowl away from the firewall...I spent a full day last weekend welding them back together.  I did a hack job cutting it apart so putting it back together wasn't much fun, especially with all the seam sealer that was melting and burning!  Today I was making patch panels for what was left of the floor area of the firewall.  The entire floor was rotted away so I fabbed in patches.  Not real pretty but will be functional.  I will finish it tomorrow, then fit it to the frame and figure out how to marry it to the Mustang driveshaft tunnel.  Once it is fit properly I will make some markings so I know exactly where it goes.  I need to remove it, finish the metal work, then do the corrosion work, prime, paint and then re-attach permanently.  I am working with junk and making it up as I go along.  I'll be glad when this part of the job is over!
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2021, 11:11:14 AM »
Glad to see that you're back at it!  It's quite a project and I can't wait to see how it turns out!

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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2021, 08:09:01 PM »
I discovered that I am going to have to do some driveshaft tunnel modification on the Mustang half of the vehicle.  The Pinto tranny tailshaft is in a much higher position than the Mustang.  I am going to have to get the driveshaft shortened (to about 24") so I can get it mocked up then modify the tunnel. I save parts of the Pinto tunnel so I should be able to use them.  Of course this means I will have to modify my seat frame so it will sit with the higher tunnel.  In the meantime I will shift gears and do some body work for a change of pace.  I will take and post some pictures so you can see what I'm playing with.
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2021, 04:07:47 PM »
I was in Rochester last week, but I was not able to find time to contact you to see if I could come by to see your Trike project and other Pintos you may have.  My apologies...

I will def keep you in mind when I return to Rochester in August.

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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2021, 09:15:06 PM »
Please do...I will be going to NC Aug 18-23...otherwise I will be home.  Yesterday I did my driveshaft measurements and this AM I took the driveshaft to a shop to have it shortened to 23 1/4" and have new u-joints installed.  When I get it back I can modify my driveshaft tunnel.  Tomorrow I am going to start some body filler work on my weld seams.  I am also going to cut the roof back to about the point where the rear windows are, then cut about 6" of the leading edge of the roof and graft it on to the roof I welded on the Mustang portion.  It will stiffen the leading edge up so it doesn't flap in the wind.  I saw it flapping when I towed it to the weld shop last Fall.  It will also make for easier ingress and egress with a shorter roof.  It may ba hard to visualize but I will send pics to clear things up.
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« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2021, 05:12:51 PM »
Here are some pics from today's work.  I found a spot on the leading edge were the inside width is 48" and the same dimension on the roof in a sport where I could shorten it.  I cut the leading edge off the front portion of the leftover Mustang roof and about a foot off the roof as it was.  I then welded the support piece in place and welded the leading edge on.  The entire roof is now shorter making it easier to get in and out, and the leading edge I still have more welding to do but for now it is tacked on well.  After that it will be grinding, then epoxy primer, body filler on all roof weld joints and block sanding.  The driveshaft should be done this week.  I look forward to getting it back so I can get it and other associated parts fit properly in the chassis.  I have a long way to go...
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2021, 08:46:36 PM »
I haven't made much progress on my progress...I have been caught up in a multitude of other tasks.  The two attached pics show recent work.  I finally welded the leading edge of the roof on and ground the weld down.  I have a little more to go, then I can clean, sand, spray more epoxy, then apply body filler to complete the roof work.  The other pic is a side view to show you how it is coming along.  Note the 23 1/4" driveshaft on the floor.  I hope to get more done this weekend and l a lot more done before I have to stop work in November.  I have too many irons in the fire...I will be happy to retire in the next few years!
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« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2021, 06:56:24 PM »
I've been off the grid for a while, mainly because I didn't make much progress on my project over the Summer.  I have done a few things recently.  When I put the dash in place I realized I couldn't get into the "cockpit".  I decided I would have to section the cowl and dash to move everything forward.  I also (mistakenly) decided to narrow the dash.  I cut about 3" off each end, then welded it back together.  I will be relocating the headlight switch to the former windshield wiper switch position and I filled in the spots where the vents were.  After sectioning the cowl, I have plenty of access so I didn't need to narrow the dash after all.  Too late, and I will make it work.  It cost me the better part of an afternoon.  There is a 79 in a nearby junkyard that I may consider salvaging but I probably won't.  The cowl sectioning consisted of cutting out the vent portion and welding it back together.  You'll see from the pics that it is really narrow and provides the room I needed to get in and out of the cockpit.  I am going to remove the cowl/firewall from the chassis and weld up what was left of the rotted floor.  The trans hump will eventually get covered with diamond plate and will be secured to the frame.  I am going to fabricate some radiator support to firewall rods like a Model A to further stiffen things up.  I wish I had accomplished more over the Summer but had a lot of other priorities.  I have a few weeks before it gets rolled into its Winter resting spot so I will post any further progress.  Thank you for reading...
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2021, 05:33:31 PM »
Yesterday I finished patching and stitch-welding what was left of the firewall.  It looks like Frankenstein but welding patches inside and out stiffened it nicely.  It was corroded and flimsy.  It will be covered by diamond plate so it won't be seen.  Today I sprayed two coats of epoxy primer and it is now curing.  While I had primer mixed, I shot the leading edge of the roof that I welded on earlier this Spring.  One more thing I may do before putting it away is to shorten the steering shaft to move the steering wheel a little more forward.  That will complete the need for sectioning the dash and cowl to give me more room to enter the cockpit.  I am just about done for the season, so I will probably power wash the whole unit and put it away until Spring.  I hope to have more time to spend on it next year...
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2021, 02:45:00 PM »
Thanks for sharing your updates and pictures! I will have to swing by your place to see it the next time I am in Rochester!

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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2021, 06:38:57 AM »
This past Wednesday, on our last day of relatively warm weather, I sprayed the engine side of the firewall and underside of the trans hump gloss black.  I used tractor enamel with hardener so it should be fairly durable.  I let it cure until yesterday (Saturday) and reinstalled it temporarily back onto the chassis.  Today I am going to temporarily mount the dash and start figuring out how I am going to shorten the steering shaft to give me more access to the cockpit without moving the steering wheel too far forward.  I think I am going to eliminate the broken rag joint and use a 3/4-36 spline x 3/4 DD U-joint directly on the splined end of the steering rack and eliminate the factory u-joint and the overall 8" of round shaft that goes to the rag joint/rack end of the steering shaft.  I may have to use a short section of 3/4 DD shaft stock and a coupler to get the overall length correct to allow cockpit access and put the steering wheel in a comfortable position.  As I've said before, this is an "engineer it as you go" project!  I had previously cut the parking brake mount assy out of the Pinto and welded it into the driveshaft tunnel of the Mustang so it is between the seats like a Pinto vs under the dash on a 67 Mustang.  I installed the parking brake lever and cut the vinyl out of the old seat cover and will have the upholstery shop modify the new seat cover to make a neat access hole for the lever.  I did a hack job of cutting the section out of the old, but the upholstery shop will do a much nicer, neater job with the new.  I'm just trying to mock things up at this point.   Today I am also going to install the trans mount bolts so the tranny isn't hanging, requiring a jack stand or blocks of wood under the tranny while in Winter storage.  It is just about ready to push into the corner for Winter hibernation.  Dan, you are welcome to stop by any time you are in the Rochester area.  I look forward to meeting you!
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2022, 08:36:54 PM »
I'm back!!!  I started back on my project a few weeks ago.  I did a little frame repair/stiffening and now I am into the bodywork faze.  I'm not that good at it so I spend a lot of time applying and sanding body filler.  I will take and post some pics tomorrow.  I have the Mustang rear seat frames and seat covers at the upholstery shop; he said I will have it back in September.  I ordered wheel adapters to get me from the Mustang II front end kit's 5x4 1/2 lug pattern to the same as the Mustang rear 4x4 1/2 lug pattern so I can use the same 4-lug rims at all four corners.  The adapters also widen the front track as the Pinto/Mustang II is narrower than the Mustang rear so it will be more stable.  I relocated the Mustang parking brake cable brackets from the frame rails to behind the rear seat so now the transplanted Pinto parking brake is functional.  I scraped, wire wheeled, then used Simple Green and a small wire brush on the underside so it is now clean and  I can epoxy and paint.  I am trying to get all the frame and bodywork done so I can spray epoxy and paint, then I can start assembling the vehicle.  I have the engine out and mounted on the engine stand.  My plan is to remove accessories, clean, sand, prime, paint.  I don't plan to do any internal engine work.  I will paint the block and oil pan Ford Blue, leave the head natural, remove unnecessary emission controls, and reinstall back in the frame.  I have a mid-80's T-bird valve cover, a chrome air cleaner, and a ceramic coated header to "dress things up".  There will be no hood so the engine will always be on display.  I need to fabricate tranny mount brackets to lower the tranny a little.  The Pinto tranny position is higher than the Mustang so the 23 1/4" driveshaft is too close to the Mustang driveshaft tunnel.  This project has been interesting and I need to get it done!  I want to retire when the economy straightens out and this is my last automotive project.  I have my '67 Mustang Fastback, my Harley, and this Pinto/Mustang buggy (no longer a trike) will be the extent of my toys.  If I have any issues getting it titled, it will become my golf cart to buzz around the neighborhood!  I will send progress pictures tomorrow...
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2022, 09:49:26 PM »
I will send progress pictures tomorrow...

Welcome back!  Looking forward to your pictures.  Surely I'm not the only person here who has been patiently waiting to see when you were going to resume work on your project. 

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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2022, 01:44:37 PM »
Here are four pics of my bodywork to date.  I'm no expert but so far, so good.  I did some this AM, but it started to sprinkle so I pushed it back inside and did some other chores.  I am going to go back out to do more spreading and sanding.  I'll be glad when this phase is complete.  More rain is coming so I better get back out there.  I do it outside to keep the dust out of my shop.  If I can keep on the bodywork, I have the week of 8/15 off so my target would be to spray the underside, frame and body with another coat of epoxy then, and if time the frame, underside and interior black.  I can do the exterior body later or next year if I run out of time.  Once the frame is painted I can assemble the front suspension, do all the brakes, figure out my steering and get the engine back in. 
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« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2022, 01:55:28 PM »
Engine and tranny out of frame and separated.  Just getting the engine mounted to the stand was a project unto itself.  I had to make my own brackets.  The ones that came with the stand worked fine for my 289, but no the 2300.
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« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2022, 12:42:42 PM »
It looks like your bodywork is coming along well!

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« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2022, 07:58:00 PM »
Thank you...I have quite a bit to go.  I had to weld the roof and the leading edge of the roof on as well as the quarter panels so I have a lot of blending in to do.  I had to form the body lines at the trailing edge of the roof at the top of the quarter panels.  I am filling in spot weld indents and smoothing out the rear window opening.  A lot of difficult to access areas.  I have to keep reminding myself that the intent was never to make a perfect show car out of it, rather just save two pieces of junk that should have been scrapped long ago!  During the week I won't be able to work on it and I will lose more than half my upcoming Saturday to other commitments, but should be able to spend a lot of time on Sunday.  I can't wait to get this part done so I can get on to more fun parts of the project.  On Friday I ordered my wheel adapters...the y are already here!  Shipped from CA to NY over a weekend, standard bulk USPS. I will continue to post progress until I have to roll it into the corner this Fall. :o
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« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2022, 05:26:56 PM »
Can't wait! ;D
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« Reply #52 on: July 29, 2022, 03:03:43 PM »
The weekend is here...I will get to work on it tomorrow AM until about noon at which point I will have to stop and get ready for a one-year-old's birthday party (hooray).  Sunday I will have until about 2:30 to play with it so I hope between those two sessions I can get a lot done and move me closer to primer and paint.  I'll post an update at some point this weekend...
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« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2022, 12:11:59 AM »
Have fun!
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2022, 07:52:38 PM »
Between Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon I was able to make progress.  Nothing that is readily apparent so pics aren't included, but lots of small improvements.  I am taking this coming Thursday and Friday off from work so I am hoping that I can wrap up the body repair phase or get close to completion by the end of this coming weekend.  I have other commitments that are going to eat into my sanding time but I should be pretty much done and ready to shoot epoxy.  I may wait till Saturday August 13 as I took that next week off so I should have plenty of time to prep and spray.  The car club I belong to is hosting a show on Saturday, 8/20 so Friday, 8/19 we will be setting up and wiil be working the show all day Saturday.  I will continue to post progress as I make it...
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2022, 12:19:34 PM »
Progress can be painstakingly slow if done properly, but it is STILL progress!  Keep up the good work!

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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2022, 08:23:14 PM »
I thought I would have ben further along by now but I continue to mix, spread and sand body filler as often as my busy life allows.  I have about 6 small trouble areas that I will try to rectify tomorrow.  Then I will give the areas I did bodywork a coat of polyester putty to fill sanding scratches and other small imperfections.  If all goes well, that may happen tomorrow or at worst on Friday.  The car club I am a member of is hosting a car show on Saturday so I will spend part of Friday helping to set up the show field and do other last minute details and Saturday I will be at the show all day.  On Sunday if all bodywork is complete, I will DA the rest of the body and scuff the frame, then blow down and clean all surfaces in preparation for primer and paint.  I will be working out of town for the next two weeks starting 8/22 but will be home for the in-between weekend.  I hope to epoxy prime the entire body and chassis, including the under side.  I will them paint the underside, frame, and interior shell, including the interior of the trunk area with black enamel.  After that, if I get a warm September weekend I will paint the body.  If not, I will paint the body next Spring.  In the meantime, I will remove engine accessories, sand, sandblast, clean, degrease, prime, paint.  I will clean and degrease the exterior engine, paint the block and oil pan Ford Blue, keep the head natural, remove any unnecessary emission controls and vacuum hoses, re-gasket any external mating surfaces, install the header, then put the fresh-looking 2.3 back in the chassis.  Then I can assemble the front suspension.  By that time it will be time to push it into the corner for the Winter and resume in the Spring.  I will keep you posted as I make progress. 
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2022, 07:13:24 PM »
I fixed my trouble spots but found a little more to fix.  Did I mention I am sick of doing bodywork?!!  I didn't get to do the polyester putty yet.  Maybe tomorrow if I get back from pre-car show set up duty.  I did blow down, then damp sponge the body before I rolled it back in the garage.  I will get it dusty again after applying and sanding the polyester.  There will still be some body imperfections, but at this point I will live with them.  This was never meant to be a show car and there were a lot of compromised body panels that I had to salvage and make presentable.  At least the quarters and tail light panel are new and will look decent!  I did fit the rear valance panel to the body in an unconventional way that is actually better than the factory method.  I am able to jury-rig and improvise to my heart's content since I am not building a concourse-correct car.  If the stars align, I may be able to spray epoxy the weekend of 8/27-28.  If I do, I will send pics. 

***Dwayne:  Can we change the Title to "Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster"?  It is no longer going to be a trike*** 
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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2022, 10:01:02 PM »

***Dwayne:  Can we change the Title to "Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster"?  It is no longer going to be a trike*** 

A roadster it is, my friend.  Happy to help!

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Re: Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2022, 09:21:30 AM »
Perfect...than k you!  After my last body work session on Thursday I was going to say "good enough", but then I decided I wasn't happy with the body line at the top of the 1/4 panels so on Friday after I got back from car show set up I did a little Bondo build up so I can create a sharper line.  I am about to go out and sand to see f I can shape it properly.  At some point I will have to call it quits bit I want to get it as good as my limited body skills will allow.  After I get it shaped I will do the polyester putty on the major body repair areas and call it good.  I will blow off the dust, damp sponge again, wipe it down with solvent, then wipe any bare metal surfaces with DuPont Quick-Prep, then pray for a decently warm September weekend so I can spray epoxy and black enamel.  More to come...
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