Author Topic: Oooops, I did it again..... A '76 wagon this time :) (Read 24640 times)

bbobcat75 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 15, 2013, 10:12:38 AM »

IF I WAS TO GO TO 15" I WOULD UPGRADE TO FIVE LUG AT THE SAME TIME!

JUST MY 2 CENTS

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #31 on:** July 15, 2013, 10:22:38 AM »

That's even better can this be done with bolt on parts?. Thanks.

bbobcat75 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 15, 2013, 12:43:54 PM »

REAR END DEPENDS ON SIZE IF ITS A 8"" JUST NEED A SET OF MUSTANG FIVE LUG AXLES, FRONT JUST NEED ROTORS AND CALIPERS FROM A GRANADA 75-80.

GOOD LUCK AND TAKE CARE!

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #33 on:** July 15, 2013, 01:06:47 PM »

Thanks much for the info, that should be an easy change over..

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 15, 2013, 03:34:21 PM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on July 15, 2013, 09:11:48 AM

Thanks, love slots I may go this route.

It's a shame they only come in 7" width but a 205/55/15 should fit the front without rubbing if you didn't lower it. A 245/50/15 would be a good match for the rear & it's an inch taller.

BTW, my rears are 185/80/13 which is why they fill the wheelwells up. My fronts are shorter & I think they're 175/70/13

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #35 on:** July 15, 2013, 10:26:30 PM »

Nahhh not lowered and the wife don't want it lowered she likes it just the way it is(ok with me less work,lol)right now it has 175/80/13 all around but nobody here has them and want a fortune to order them, 185's would look nicer though. But I don't know wife don't want to spend a bunch of money on looks just have a nice reliable car, so I may just go with the 13's be still cheaper than buying 15" wheels and tires.

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 28, 2013, 07:02:18 PM »

I finally went through 3/4 tank of gas with the new carb. It still needs some tweaking but 21.3 mpg with mostly around town driving isn't too shabby. That's at least a 35% increase over the stock carb & I hope it keeps up. I think with the correct adjustments it can pick up another 10% so tuning is next.

I also picked up a new cap/rotor with brass HEI style terminals & a set of MSD 8.5 mm wires for an '87 Mustang 2.3 along with a set of Denso Platinum TT plugs. I picked up a slight miss after swapping the junk cap/rotor & wires for some used ones I had lying around while I waited for the good parts to come in. Hopefully I can get to that this coming weekend.

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #37 on:** July 28, 2013, 07:08:25 PM »

Wow, 35% is quite a bit, what carb did you put on there??..

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 28, 2013, 07:49:45 PM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on July 28, 2013, 07:08:25 PM

Wow, 35% is quite a bit, what carb did you put on there??..

It's an NOS 5200 for a '75 2.3/auto. I had to swap water choke housings but otherwise it was a perfect fit. I still can't get the choke set correctly but I'm working on it.

I was only getting 13-15 mpg with the factory carb though it ran flawlessly. It just didn't have any response & rebuilding didn't help

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #39 on:** July 28, 2013, 09:54:54 PM »

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on July 28, 2013, 07:49:45 PM

It's an NOS 5200 for a '75 2.3/auto. I had to swap water choke housings but otherwise it was a perfect fit. I still can't get the choke set correctly but I'm working on it.

I was only getting 13-15 mpg with the factory carb though it ran flawlessly. It just didn't have any response & rebuilding didn't help

Had to have been something internally wrong with it then to get that bad of mileage, didn't check the mileage on mine when I drove it home but seems like I went a heck of a long ways before the needle started moving.

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 28, 2013, 11:11:17 PM »

I didn't soak the carb when I rebuilt it, I just tossed a kit at it & hoped for the best. I'm sure a thorough rebuild may have fixed it but the NOS carb was a bolt on & fairly cheap. Since this engine will eventually end up in my '80 I figure it was worth getting it right now.

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #41 on:** July 28, 2013, 11:22:36 PM »

Yeah probably would have made a big difference, but a new one at a good price is good too..

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2013, 03:36:24 PM »

I spent a few hours under the hood & the choke is now adjusted & functions correctly. Yay me! Now if it still does it in the winter I'll be thrilled. I also installed the new late model cap/rotor, plugs & MSD wires. When I pulled the old cap off I found another ruined rotor under it.

I checked the distributor for a bent shaft but it's fine. I have no explanation for how 2 different rotors got torn up in 2 different caps. All I know is the late model cap/rotor is fine & I've pulled it 2x just to make sure. I'm also carrying a spare cap/rotor in the car now JIC.

I still have a bobble & variable idle that I can't seem to eliminate so I buttoned everything up & sprayed starting fluid around the base of the carb & the idle smoothed out instantly. Apparently the EGR plate to manifold gasket is leaking. That's next weekends job. I may change the intake & valve cover gaskets while I'm digging in. At some point I have to run out of stuff to replace!!

The wagon came in handy fixing my trailer. I parked it on top of the center rail to bend them back the other way before welding the new crossmembers in place. It worked perfectly.....

I've overloaded this trailer many times over 27 years so the 5/8" sagging in the center is expected but it's gone now & it's perfectly level. As soon as it's done I can go pick up the '71 & bring it home.

One more project nearly off my TO-DO list

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2013, 09:30:26 PM »

It's looking good.

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 05, 2013, 10:05:18 PM »

I changed the EGR to manifold gasket because it was leaking along the front. The new one got a light coat of Permatex on both sides to keep it sealed. I also picked up a new carb gasket because I was having doubts about the sealing ability of the 37 year old NOS gasket that came with the carb.

After all this work & swapping to the late model cap & rotor I now have pre-ignition & run-on that wasn't there before. I backed the timing down to 16 from 20 & it helped with the valve knock under load but this thing still isn't right.

Does anyone know if the increased rotor sweep(nearly 3x the stock style) is causing any of this by allowing longer spark duration from the coil?? I may have to start a thread on this one.

I also swapped out my oil pressure gauge that wouldn't read steady. Now I show 60 psi at 70 mph.

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #45 on:** August 20, 2013, 10:28:39 PM »

OK, I've swapped in Autolite 103 plugs which are 2 heat ranges colder. I also pulled the top off the carb & swapped in all 4 jets from the factory carb which were larger in an attempt to richen it up. I still have run-on & pre-ignition with the timing backed down. This week I'm going to file the rotor tip & see if that cures it.

If it doesn't I think I may put the smaller air jets back in with the larger fuel jets & if this 5200 works like a Weber IDF it should richen the A/F ratio considerably. As a last step I'll try premium fuel but that's gonna get expensive over the long term & I'm still clueless how changing to a quality plug wire could cause me to need premium fuel.

oldkayaker · « **Reply #46 on:** August 21, 2013, 05:00:03 AM »

I am with you in that the ignition upgrades should not cause run on. Verify that there is no voltage at the 12V coil terminal during run on. With no voltage, I can not see how the ignition system could cause run on (the new cold plugs should eliminate them as "glow plug" sources). If possible, try lowering the idle speed to see if it reduces run on.

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #47 on:** August 21, 2013, 08:05:09 AM »

Lower the idle or use one of these..

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 08, 2014, 08:09:04 PM »

Since winter hit in early October I only use the wagon a couple days a month but between the crappy gas mileage & the pre-ignition I'm just frustrated with this car. Today I picked up a fresh 2.3 turbo shortblock with all ARP hardware, gapless rings & new bearings for $300 so as soon as we thaw out I'm gonna put my fresh 79 turbo head on this shortblock as well as my spare D6 intake, new distributor & another NOS carb I have & swap this sucker in.

I'm debating on throwing another ignition box on it as well just to eliminate every last remaining part that could be causing either the fuel mileage or run-on problems. Eventually this bottom end will get a ported head & T-3 turbo but I really need to fix the issues with this wagon so this seems like the easiest solution.

popbumper · « **Reply #49 on:** May 06, 2014, 06:09:06 PM »

Definitely want to get my hands on one of those rear spoilers. There's an antique junk yard close to here but the prices they put on ANYTHING are extraordinary. Eventually....

Chris

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #50 on:** June 17, 2014, 02:10:53 PM »

I'm getting closer to my engine/trans swap in the wagon. I picked up a rebuilt 85ish Ranger engine that is .040 over & ran great.

I'm saving the round port head for use with my buggy since I have a matching dual Weber intake that's going on it. I cleaned up the block & a D port turbo head I had on the shelf.

I need to get it assembled & painted ASAP but time is at a premium lately. I have matching D port intake for the head ready to paint.

I bought a brand new Weber 38 to replace the stock progressive. I'm tired of messing with the NOS stock carb & not getting anywhere.

In an attempt to eliminate every problem this car is giving me, especially the 14 mpg issue, I am changing EVERYTHING I can think of. Besides the new engine, head & Weber I picked up an NOS distributor, NOS Duraspark box, new MSD Blaster 2 coil, NOS Ranger header & a new 2" in/out Dynomax muffler.

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 17, 2014, 02:39:51 PM »

I have a nice polished plenum & filter I wanted to run on it so I found this billet adapter that is a perfect fit on the 38.

I'm also ditching the automatic for a T5 so I bought a new clutch kit & flywheel to go with the 87 Mustang bellhousing & T5 so I'm not guessing on throwout bearing length or flywheel to starter issues.

I put the pedals in the car a few days ago & I'll install the cable after I clean & paint the engine compartment.

I also stripped an 80 that had a tight manual steering rack & coupler so while the engine is out I'll swap out the worn power rack for the manual.

PintoMan1 · « **Reply #52 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:18:32 PM »

looks nice. may I ask as to where you got the air cleaner adaptor? thanks!

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #53 on:** June 17, 2014, 04:39:05 PM »

Quote from: pintoman1 on June 17, 2014, 04:18:32 PM

looks nice. may I ask as to where you got the air cleaner adaptor? thanks!

I got it from propane-kits on ebay. The opening is too big for a 36 though they claim it would fit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171341984916?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #54 on:** June 17, 2014, 05:59:41 PM »

Should be a cool deal when it's done..

bbobcat75 · « **Reply #55 on:** June 17, 2014, 06:48:21 PM »

Are those the pedals and cable I sent ya!??

PintoMan1 · « **Reply #56 on:** June 17, 2014, 07:11:36 PM »

thank you! I put them in my watch list. looks good! opens up for a variety of different options in air cleaners.

Pinto5.0 · « **Reply #57 on:** June 17, 2014, 07:26:21 PM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on June 17, 2014, 05:59:41 PM

Should be a cool deal when it's done..

The shame of it is that I'll be cutting this car up & scrapping it when the other wagon body is ready to roll. Luckily I'll be using all these parts on the new one.

Quote from: bbobcat75 on June 17, 2014, 06:48:21 PM

Are those the pedals and cable I sent ya!??

No, this car took the late pedals. I haven't looked under the dash of the other wagon to see if it takes late or early style. The set you sent me will probably end up in the 71 I'm bringing home Saturday. It's been a V8 automatic for decades but I need the brake pedal for my 73 to run a 2.0/auto. for my stepson & the 71 has to get a T5.

Quote from: pintoman1 on June 17, 2014, 07:11:36 PM

thank you! I put them in my watch list. looks good! opens up for a variety of different options in air cleaners.

No problem. They will sell just the adapter by itself if you message them. $89 sounds like a lot until you see the prices people want for adapters that wont fit the 38 & only fit the 32/36 carbs.

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #58 on:** June 17, 2014, 09:59:23 PM »

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on June 17, 2014, 07:26:21 PM

The shame of it is that I'll be cutting this car up & scrapping it when the other wagon body is ready to roll. Luckily I'll be using all these parts on the new one.

Yeah but on the positive side, you'll be using all the parts so that's good...

bbobcat75 · « **Reply #59 on:** June 18, 2014, 03:48:02 PM »

cool!! have quick question what radiator are you running in your 80 again? going to get one to put in my 75 pinto street/strip project.

thanks

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