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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #150 on: May 27, 2019, 01:04:31 AM »
Well, wont' be working tomorrow after all.
Dealing with the idiot I talked about in another post wiped out my saturday and most of sunday. so tomorrow I will get some stuff done on the Pinto instead of working.
Probably didn't need to spend that money anyway.
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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #151 on: May 27, 2019, 09:35:52 PM »
I did get out there. Got the rear loose from the car.
However, I am going to have to take the leaf springs off before I can yank the rear out from under.
The problem with that is right now the leaf springs are what is holding the rear of the car off the ground. They are setting on Harbor Freight car dollies. The cheap $40 or so a pair ones.  And I can't safely put the car on jackstands in the rear because the rear of the car is on the sloped part of my driveway.
I need to get the car moved about 2-3 feet forward. I should be able to do that shortly.
I had thought I could maneuver the rear end enough to clear everything, but nope.
Oh, well.

I have to think about where to place the fuel cell. As in, do I want it centered, or sitting to the passenger side? I weigh over 300. Normally won't be a passenger in the car. So thinking having the cell off center will help offset my weight. I have to do some thinking/searching on this one. Having it offset to the passenger side will effect where I can put the battery, as I realised today. I had cut out the spare tire well a while back, and it is offset to the passenger side, which got me thinking about this in the first place. The cell is relatively small, 15 gallons, but little. So there should be plenty of wiggle room to mount it wherever I come up with as the best. I am definitely open to opinions on this.
I have decided, if I center the cell, to run a fuel filler tube like the vintage Mustangs, middle of the rear above the bumper. Will be a lot easier than trying to route a fuel filler tube to the stock location. I never liked the idea of having that much fuel filler inside the car. I can box in the filler tube easily if I run it out the back.

Depression sucks. Once I get my butt out there it is ok, but getting myself to actually get started is the hard part.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #152 on: May 28, 2019, 07:36:24 AM »
I also think that having a gas tank inside of the car with you is a bad idea even if its a fuel cell , they are other options , one I have done is a idea you may want to think on , one is the car going to be on the street or just track only , giving the 15 gallon tank makes me say you are for the street , two is placment for saftey , under car would be best , next your car has a full roll cage , and did they cut out the spare tire tubb ??  thirty years ago I built a runabout up with a turbo 2.3 , rear hach leaked and rusted up the tire tubb , I cut it out and bolted a large piece of  0.125 2024 T4 alum plate , then bolted a boat tank to the bottom of it and welded a nipple the same size as the filler tube and made a crossover to the tank , it also had a sender which matched the fuel gauge , it held 18 gallons and worked great on the cheep , if for drag strip only you could bolt a fuel cell under it and do the same , this is a few ideas that you can ponder on , even tape a cardbourd box tothe bottem to get even more ideas ,  a 12 X 12 box will hold a tad over 7 gallons ,, good luck ,  later Blaine
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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #153 on: May 28, 2019, 11:00:44 AM »
I cut out the spare tire tub. It's a waste of space with big 15 inch tires. 😁
In a hatchback I would never put the cell inside the car. It will be going underneath a floor. Routing the filler tube is the question. I won't have it where I would have to fill it up from inside the car.
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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #154 on: May 28, 2019, 02:17:02 PM »
How would you define "Inside the car?"  Many cars, Ford for instance, in the Falcon, used the top of the fuel tank as the floor of the trunk. It dropped in a large opening and there was a flange that screwed to the tank to the trunk floor. So the bulk of the tank suspended downward out of the trunk area and could be thought of as being external. But, the top of the tank being the trunk floor arguably could have constituted it as being "In the car."  Months ago when you cut out the spare tire well I assumed you were considering a tank much like I described used in the Falcon.

On another note having the filler neck externally on the rear of the Pinto (I assume you mean between the two tail lights) does force the fuel tank/cell pretty much below the trunk floor as liquids do not flow upward. I'd also advise against a a rear mount fuel filler neck for two reasons. One, in a rear impact it is more susceptible to ripping loose. Second, the filler neck will be perpendicular (90 degrees) to the road and that is an awkward position to hold the fuel nozzle at the station.  This isn't very self evident until you fill up a 60's era car (my '64 Studebaker for instance) and feel like you are doing palliates in the process of pumping gas.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #155 on: May 28, 2019, 10:49:48 PM »
I used to have a 69 Mustang. Used to filling those up. I would like to use the stock location, but not thrilled with the idea of having the filler tube running that much in the hatch area. Once I get the cell located I can get a better idea of what I have to do.

The fuel cell will be below the floor, either the stock one or one I will build out of 14 gauge sheet metal. Hoping to have it completely underneath the stock floor (yes, I will have to make the part where the spare was). Depends on how the mounting brackets I have fit.

Definitely a work in progress and plans always change.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #156 on: June 10, 2019, 05:16:27 AM »
I mentioned a little bit ago that I bought a mounting kit for the radiator.
Well, this is it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00383WP9A/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Says it isn't available currently, but I have one.
I could seriously have done better on my own, but I did't know that when I ordered it.
Oh, well. I can use it for a pattern if nothing else.
A couple of 1x tubes of aluminum about 20 inches tall or so, a couple of aluminum rods with threaded ends about 30 inches long, and 4 straps, maybe 3/4 wide with a couple of bends in each.
This mounts to the radiator, but then I still have to figure out how to mount it to the car.
Didn't actually cost me anything, I used a gift certificate I got from work.


Hasn't been any progress made on the Pinto. Trying to work too much during the week is causing me to lose at least one weekend day to exhaustion. Plus I hurt my already hurting back this week. Bent over  wrong, felt something give. Still can't stand up straight without lot's of pain.

And it has finally warmed up to where it is supposed to be for Phoenix in June.

Wife needs thousands of dollars worth of work done to her teeth. And cataract surgery that is helping her to be blind in one eye, besides the macular stuff. So I am down to spending pennies on anything else. Need to spend a bit on the Pinto to get it on all four tires, then I probably am done spending for a good while. I'll be able to keep at it though. Wiring still needs done, mounting the engine and trans. Stuff I have the needed (mostly) stuff to do. Will always be able to squeeze a little into the budget.

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RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #157 on: June 11, 2019, 12:05:26 PM »
Well, as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day!  You'll get there!

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #158 on: August 22, 2019, 04:07:04 AM »
Well, I haven't given up yet.
This heat is not doing me any favors.
But I am really getting excited for cooler weather to get here.
So, I think I posted this list last year. I've modified it some for this year. Eliminated what I got done, and added some stuff.

things to do with the pinto by last weekend of October 2019.


paint front frame, cage, firewall, and new suspension parts. Partially done.

install new front suspension.

install new front brakes.

get rear end together and installed with new springs.

Get the car on 4 wheels again. (have them sitting and waiting)(at least temporary ones)

empty interior of last loose stuff.

take a good look at interior and floor. especially cage and subrame connectors.

loosely mount fuel cell with mounting kit. Start figuring out fuel fill stuff.

Right now I am still doing vacuum tube electronics in the air conditioning. Having fun with it. But really getting anxious to work on the cars again.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #159 on: August 22, 2019, 07:57:25 AM »
Hi Russ!


Glad to know you're still hanging in there!  Progress should speed up some when the temperature begins to cool.  In the meantime, I hope you're having a terrific summer!


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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #160 on: August 23, 2019, 04:54:37 AM »
Seems the older I get (just turned 60) the harder I have dealing with the heat.

Don't tell Karen, but I spent a little money on the Pinto. Some nuts for the pumpkin, and a pair of aluminum bushings for the front of the leaf springs. Been wanting them for a year, decided I might as well do it so I can't use not having them as an excuse for not putting the springs on the car. Not made for the Pinto, but they are the correct diameter for the Afco springs. I might have to cut the length a bit. Will find out for sure once I get them. Can't remember if I mentioned I bought greasible bolts for the bushings back in the spring. Hollow, with a zerk fitting on one end. I'm getting fancy in my old age.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #161 on: August 23, 2019, 11:37:06 AM »
Seems the older I get (just turned 60) the harder I have dealing with the heat.


A belated Happy Birthday!  I hear you, buddy... I'm a couple years older than you and I don't handle the heat nearly as well as I used to.  Of course, I live in an air conditioned house, drive air conditioned vehicles, and work in an air conditioned facility.  I suppose my body has so little exposure to high temperatures that it's lost its ability to cope.  Just another victim of modern technology.  lol

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #162 on: September 06, 2019, 07:08:15 AM »
Thanks.

I think I have about everything for the rear axle.
bought these
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cee-2022
and these
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/afc-20235-4
some leaf spring u bolts that I hope fit
and a gasket and nuts for the pumpkin.
I should have had the other housing painted by now, but can't get to it without moving a bunch of stuff. Add 20 degrees to the outside temp and that is about what it is in our storeroom (enclosed carport, no insulation).

i have to drag the Pinto forward about 2 feet so I can safely put the rear on jackstands. Maybe this weekend. Then I can finally finish getting the old rear end and leaf springs out.Car is actually sitting on the springs, they are on Harbor Freight dollies. Not the best thing in the world, so I don't get under the car much in the rear. And only with a floor jack for support in case.

We are having to buy a new to us vehicle, probably a late 90's Ranger, although I have found a 73 Ranchero in our budget. Waiting to actually get the cash before talking to anyone, but that is my priority for right now.Whatever we get CAN'T be any sort of project. Has to be ready to go from day one.

 The Subaru is going to be parked and worked on a bit at a time, and will be our emergency vehicle. Needs normal stuff, brakes, struts, ac work, clutch soon, but the main worry is the front differential. Viscous coupling I believe it is. According to people on a Subaru forum, it sounds like it is about to go.

Need something will really cold a/c here. I just don't have enough faith in the Subaru at this point to want to put all of our money into it just to have something else go bad. I know, it's a chance with a used car as well. But hopefully I can weed out the bad stuff (yes, I learned a lesson with the Ranchero, take my time looking at it).

Anyway, back to Pinto land. My goal this winter is to at least get everything but the engine done. Seeing as I have most everything I will need already, just a matter of doing it. Even including getting the engine/transmission mounts ready. I would like to get the engine together and the car running, but we will have to wait and see, as that part will take money. And I still really want a Cleveland in it.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #163 on: September 06, 2019, 09:04:41 AM »
Hey Russ!


Well, at least it shouldn't be too long until the weather eases up a little and you'll get a break from the intense heat.  Hang in there!!!


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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #164 on: September 08, 2019, 04:23:13 PM »
Well, won't know til next weekend, but odds are I am going to be putting a Cleveland into the Pinto.  ;D :'( Will have to sell some of the stuff I bought for the 351W engine I bought. Shouldn't be too hard. Most of what I have like radiator and trans stuff will fit the C. I made sure of that.  ;D

I was worried about using the T5 behind it, but according to the specs I've found online that won't be a problem for it or the 8 inch. For now.  :P

Been looking/thinking about the 72 Ranchero. I am pretty sure it is dead. Whatever I get. The rust is just too much. So I will take stuff from it like the engine and the 72 specific front sheet metal. It and the 74 wagon just need to go away. Then I can put the 79 in where the Ranchero is so I can work on it behind closed gates out of the zoning inspector's eyes. And feel safe working on it at 1AM if I want to. Great time for doing the electrical if nothing else. That stuff isn't noisy.

I tried really hard not to give up on those, but turning 60 a month ago has really given me a dose of reality in the face. I can only do so much. And even that seems to be getting less and less. I think I can handle the 79 if I can have it in a place where I can work on it easily when  I want to over the cooler times here. Essentially it is all bolt on.  ::) I will be keeping the 79 front sheet metal on it for now at least. After it is on the road I can think about changing it if I still want to. Other than the hood scoop everything else will be just a few bolts. But the hood scoop will be needed with either 351.
The Ranchero is full of rust, not just the floors. All the body panels. I may find that even the fenders aren't worth keeping once I take a good look at them.

I kind of feel like a quitter :-[, yet I am feeling kind of free as well 8)l.  :-\

If anyone needs 74 wagon specific glass (no windshield) or the hatch or anything, let me know. I also have the luggage rack I could take off. Not great, but straight. I'll probably put an ad in the classifieds for that stuff, but I will only remove it if wanted. I have no storage space. I also will have a torn down 8 inch Pinto/II rear end complete. Probably more once I really take inventory.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #165 on: September 08, 2019, 09:14:26 PM »
I kind of feel like a quitter :-[, yet I am feeling kind of free as well 8)l.  :-\



I get where you're coming from; it's sad to give up on a project BUT it's extraordinaril y difficult to have three projects going on at the same time!  That's not even accounting for health issues, etc.  Sacrificing the '74 Pinto wagon and the Ranchero will be well worthwhile if it leads to finishing the '79 Pinto and getting it on the road.  What a sense of accomplishment you'll feel when you drive it for the first time!!! 

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #166 on: September 08, 2019, 09:48:53 PM »
Thanks.

The bad part about the 72 is that Karen's ex paid for it, and she feels attached to it. But like I said, reality time, and it is just too much for me.
Just taking the stuff off is going to be a pain, the hood won't open. Not sure why yet. To be honest, I haven't looked in a couple of years. And that statement alone proves that it is time for it to go. But ever since I got the Pinto, I have been wanting to take the Cleveland from the 72. I guess deep down I knew what was coming.
And doing this will mean the Pinto is ready to run a lot quicker. Odds are the 351W I bought will have to be gone through if not rebuilt. Note to self-next time you buy an engine for more than $100, make sure you hear it run.
The 73 has a Cleveland as well, so no need to keep the one from the 72 for it.

I need to hurry up and get the Pinto rolling, so I can move it to get the others out. Told my wife they'd be gone by Thanksgiving, but I am hoping for Halloween. I'm better at taking apart, so the 72 should be a piece of cake at this point.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #167 on: September 11, 2019, 01:24:49 AM »

The 73 has a Cleveland as well, so no need to keep the one from the 72 for it.



Does this mean you have decided on the '73 Ranchero you mentioned several posts back?

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #168 on: September 11, 2019, 03:19:05 AM »
Not at this point. It may have been sold.
Someone was supposed to be looking at it Tuesday night.
And I would have to look at it before buying it.

I would prefer a Ranchero. But only if it is worth it. Whatever we get needs to be no more than a weekend away from being a reliable daily driver for me.

Although I have found something else. It looks like my 72. It is a 72 red Ranchero. Same price as the 73, but body is in rougher shape. Fender and all the front grille area has been replaced. Not red.
Again, would need to be really looked at.
I'm so stressed right now. Karen is resigned to me buying another Ranchero, but really doesn't want me to. Too old. But for me, that old I can work on and know what I am doing. (other than making sure there is no rust apparently).
Now, with either Ranchero, I have a lot of new parts for when it needs suspension work. The 72 has factory air, but isn't working. I have a brand new compressor, a dryer, and an expansion valve that I bought way back for the current 72. Not that I want to have to do any work right away, but I have most of the likely stuff for the air at least. So that shouldn't be a big time delay.

Too many decisions for me.

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Re: New to me 79 Pinto glass hatch ESS
« Reply #169 on: September 11, 2019, 07:30:49 AM »
Well, I can certainly understand both positions!  Good luck with whatever you decide!


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