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Title: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 18, 2012, 09:56:55 PM
Well guys,
 
Those of you that knew of my troubles with my old Pinto Harold II knew about me getting a new toy. It's finally happened! I am now the owner of a 1980 Pinto Runabout! Before I go & post pics let me tell you how I came about this car.
 
I was looking on Craigslist & had a pile of about 7 or 8 Pintos I was going to call on, all but one being in Ohio. I was leary of calling on this car because it had no picture. I called on it & was told it had no rust & was a car they got out of a barn. I checked on it & sure enough it was a 1980 Pinto. This car was faded bigtime but I looked more into the car. Inside was a blue deluxe interior. Of course the dash & steering wheel needed some attention as well as the carpet but other than that I saw potential. The owner sprayed some starter fluid in the carb & she fired right up! a little smoky but the car hadn't driven in a long long time. I was sold. The sticker price was $1500 but I pointed out the few rust spots & the little bit of work on the interior & they agreed to come down to $1200.00. I didn't have the money so I put $100 down on the car & they held it for 7 days.
 
Today I went to their house with my Dad to pick it up, & put in the battery from my 78 Pinto. AFter they sprayed some starter fluid in it the car once more fired up! I stopped at the gas station & found out the gas gauge even works. WOOHOO!!!!
 
Dad was following me in case of any issues & good thing he did. The tires were rather old & the left front decided to let go with a bang, followed by thumping. He heard it & thought it was a v-belt on the engine & I thought it was a tire based on what I felt. I called AAA & they were starting to pull the car on the flatbed & pointed out the tire. Since he was there I had him go ahead & tow it home just in case any other tires let go.
 
The car now sits in front of my house, with the plates from my 77 on her. I am going to get the title & temp tag tomorrow so I can still drive the 77 if I want.
 
Now for the details of this car...
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 18, 2012, 10:02:12 PM
This car is a 1980 Runabout blue exterior with blue deluxe interior. Automatic, power steering, power brakes, door speakers, rallye wheels, 2.3 4 cylinder with only 90k miles on it. Solid floorboards, doors that are not rusted out. With the engine smoking a bit what I am probably gonna do is pull the engine from my 77 sedan which is gonna be junked due to severe rust  :'( . I rebuilt the 77's engine about 3 years ago and have only 3k miles on it since the rebuild. I will then take my time to completely rebuild the cars original engine. The carb or course needs rebuilt & all rubber hoses need replacing before I drive the car. I will buff out the cars paint which is looking nasty, as well as replace a missing hatch seal.
 
Pics to come soon!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 19, 2012, 09:12:27 PM
Pics!!!!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 19, 2012, 09:14:34 PM
More pics!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 19, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
Still more!!!!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on June 20, 2012, 12:24:14 AM
I doesn't look bad at all, Matt.  I'm sure you'll whip her into shape in no time!
 
Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Alpine615 on June 20, 2012, 07:25:07 AM
Nice find, Matt! It definitely needs some TLC, but if anyone's up for the challenge, it's you!
 
And remember me if you decide to put Harold II's front end on this one; I got dibs on your fenders, etc!  :) 
 
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 20, 2012, 08:28:53 AM
I doesn't look bad at all, Matt.  I'm sure you'll whip her into shape in no time!
 
Dwayne :)

Thanks Dwayne, I'm gonna give it the 'ol college try lol. In the mean time I am gonna enjoy driving the 77 around until I get the gas dry or just about dry.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 20, 2012, 08:31:04 AM
Nice find, Matt! It definitely needs some TLC, but if anyone's up for the challenge, it's you!
 
And remember me if you decide to put Harold II's front end on this one; I got dibs on your fenders, etc!  :)

Thanks Steve, It's gonna be a lot of fun, knowing this car isn't rusted out like the 77 is. I still haven't decided on switching the front end with the 77 but if I do you will be the first to know. The only thing I noticed that I didn't before is the grill is cracked. Seems like that happens with a lot of them though. I did find the grille is supposed to be chrome but they painted it. For now I am gonna use some silver paint on it so it matches the headlight buckets better. I like the silver look anyways.  ;D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 20, 2012, 09:22:14 PM
Didn't do too much today. I have some burned out bulbs & possibly a bad headlight switch. No dash lights come on until you have it on with the dome lights & then not all bulbs work on the dash. Found a NOS unit on ebay & got it for about $10.00. I was a bit bored at home so I went ahead & started to polish the paint to see what it would look like. I've got a little bit of the hood & cowl done, as well as most the RF fender.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 20, 2012, 09:23:41 PM
Before and after.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dave1987 on June 20, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
Nice car Matt! I look forward to seeing this one develop as Harrold II did.

Let me know if you need anything if Fred cant get it for you. I have a lot of spae parts for my 78 and a fair amount of 79 and 80 parts on hand. Now that I have everything at the house and not in storage, I can get it out and take pictures quickly.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Alpine615 on June 20, 2012, 10:55:59 PM
Matt,


Something else I'd be looking for would be a pair of those deluxe door trim panels. I noticed Harold II has the same ones. Can you spare the extras? If so, name your price...


Oh, and wow! What a difference a little bit of polish makes! Looking good already...
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on June 21, 2012, 12:09:44 AM
I was a bit bored at home so I went ahead & started to polish the paint to see what it would look like. I've got a little bit of the hood & cowl done, as well as most the RF fender.

Ain't it amazing what you can do with a little polish and a lot of elbow grease?  It's looking good, Matt!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 21, 2012, 12:13:28 AM
Ain't it amazing what you can do with a little polish and a lot of elbow grease?  It's looking good, Matt!

Dwayne :)


LOL, you're right about that Dwayne. I was definitely using the elbow grease on that one there. That little bit took me about half hour. Now that I know there's still some life left in the paint I can get it all shiney & not worry about a repaint right away.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 21, 2012, 12:20:49 AM
Matt,


Something else I'd be looking for would be a pair of those deluxe door trim panels. I noticed Harold II has the same ones. Can you spare the extras? If so, name your price...


Oh, and wow! What a difference a little bit of polish makes! Looking good already...


Thanks Steve! Just gotta get me some more rags now lol. Sorry, but the door panels are already claimed. Norm had first dibs on them at Carlisle when he found out Harold II might not be around. Told him I would give them to him since I don't need them for this car.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 21, 2012, 12:39:35 AM
Nice car Matt! I look forward to seeing this one develop as Harrold II did.

Let me know if you need anything if Fred cant get it for you. I have a lot of spae parts for my 78 and a fair amount of 79 and 80 parts on hand. Now that I have everything at the house and not in storage, I can get it out and take pictures quickly.

Thanks Dave, I think this one will be a lot of fun like Harold II was for the most part.  I will be sure to let you know if I need anything for the 80.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: sedandelivery on June 21, 2012, 05:30:51 AM
Looking really good, Matt. It's amazing how the paint shined up with a little work. Good Luck with it!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Alpine615 on June 21, 2012, 08:53:46 AM
Boooo Norm...  :)
 
I understand. I will have to keep looking.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 21, 2012, 10:46:50 AM
Looking really good, Matt. It's amazing how the paint shined up with a little work. Good Luck with it!

Thanks! I'm thinking about getting those springs installed on this car once it is time to part ways with the 77. Still having some enjoyment with it.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: PintoMan1 on June 21, 2012, 06:45:34 PM
looks good matt can't wait to see it at carlisle!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 21, 2012, 09:10:39 PM
looks good matt can't wait to see it at carlisle!
Thanks  ;D It's gonna take a LOT of work to get the car there at this point, yet not so much that it will drive me nuts fixing it up.
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 21, 2012, 09:20:19 PM
Today I played musical Pintos. I did a little polishing on the paint & then decided to get the cars switched around so I could replace the LF tire on the new Pinto. I took a battery that I knew was junk & installed it in the 77 Pinto so I could get the car running. I jump started the battery with the charger and moved the 77 out of the driveway. I had already started the 80 so I walked over to it to find it is gushing gas. I finished moving the car into the driveway, where I did a quick diagnostic & determined the fuel pump went bad. I'm not completely sure but pretty sure that to be the case. I have a spare pump in the garage that was never installed on any engine so I'm gonna install it on the 80. I really do need to get another battery so I can at least drive the 77 as needed.  Didn't get the tire changed but I was bored & took one of the spare 77 wheel covers out of the garage & put it on the 80. Doesn't look too bad.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 22, 2012, 11:38:40 AM
Today I plan on getting the 77s spare tire bolted on the car so I can get that bad tire off the left front. It isn't too hot so I will probably also take care of the fuel pump as well. I have my 1985 Dodge Omni turbo that will be going in storage for a few months so I have a place to work on the 1980, as well as tear down the 77 when I am ready to do so. Right now it gets better mileage compared to my Pontiac so I will prolly fix the brakes & drive that next week. It has more gas in it anyways.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 22, 2012, 11:41:27 AM
I also wanna get those 14s off the car. Makes it look like crap with them on. I will more than likely have steel wheels on the car with 77 Pinto wheel covers on it until I decide what to do about the alloy wheels. They need center caps & a lot of work to look good.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 22, 2012, 08:35:14 PM
Gotta fix the wipers on the car. They are intermittent. Only problem is they do not have intermittent wipers installed. I think it's a bad switch since it works for a little bit but then nothing. Not completely sure though & I don't have a spare switch... I think. Gonna check my parts collection to see if I do or not.
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 23, 2012, 04:54:44 PM
Decided to do some cleaning on the car today. Cleaned the door panels up & the dash, as well as the windows. When the mail arrived the NOS headlight switch arrived so I started to remove the instrument cluster so I could get to it. Couldn't get it out of the car! When I was trying to remove it I heard "CRACK". I pulled the cluster too far & cracked the front of the painted plastic. Oh well, I was gonna replace that anyways since someone put an LED in there. Think for an old alarm. Decided to remove the radio to see if I can access it. Got pissed off at the radio with extra wires that were chopped from some time ago. Went under the hood & found the vacuum leak. No more idle misfire. I also pulled the plugs & checked them. Good thing I did because I found a plug that had a cracked insulator. It broke. Grabbed a spare that was in my tool box & installed it. Also went ahead & replaced the LF tire & put on a wheel cover so it doesn't look too bad. Still haven't got the fuel leak fixed. Can't even get to the dang pump. Gotta figure out how to get to it. On top of that the accelerator pump is now leaking. I have one on a spare carb that is in good shape so I will be putting it on to stop at least one fuel leak.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pintogirl on June 24, 2012, 01:04:42 PM
Congrats on the new Pinto Matt!! Looks like it is going to buff out to be a real gem!! :D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 24, 2012, 01:52:45 PM
Thanks Kim! I think it will look okay once I get the paint buffed out. The paint won't be perfect but it will work out alright for now. At least for a couple years.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 24, 2012, 09:05:29 PM
Had myself a setback today. I replaced the accelerator pump diaphragm & was doing some other work to the car. Tried to start it but it didn't wanna go. Finally the carb backfired & next thing I knew the engine was on fire!!!  :o  I ran to the garage & grabbed the fire extinguisher but couldn't get it working! Dad  saw me freaking out so I yelled at him that my car was on fire & to call 911. He ran outside  & ran to the back yard & got the garden hose. He got the fire out & within 15 minutes we were looking over the damage.
 
I now need a set of plug wires, various vacuum lines, and parts of the wiring harness repaired. We'll see what happens now.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on June 24, 2012, 10:25:45 PM
That's a setback for sure, but at least your Dad's quick thinking minimized the damage!  Here's hoping it won't be TOO bad.
 
Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Alpine615 on June 25, 2012, 08:45:46 AM
Oh no!
 
Thank God you were able to get it under control! I have an extra wiring harness from an 80, automatic, non-A/C car you can have, just reimburse me for shipping.
 
PM me your address if you're interested.
 
-Steve
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 25, 2012, 09:26:18 AM
That's really good of you Steve, Thanks for the offer!
 
PM sent.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 25, 2012, 11:35:09 AM
A day after the fire things have calmed down some. When I get off work today I'm gonna be surveying the damage & start teardown. At this point I know I need to rebuild the carb, replace the plug wires, some vacuum lines, etc.. I am gonna remove the alternator and have it checked out since there was fire damage to the wiring on it, as well as degrease the whole engine to make sure all is in good shape. Gaskets are going to be inspected & replaced as needed. Five years ago I had an engine fire on an old 85 Dodge Omni & the goal was to have the car running in a week. I made the goal, although the car didn't run all that well as I needed to do other repairs. In the case of this car I will have a similar goal, but will aim for two weeks. I do have the old plug wires from the 77, as well as some vacuum lines in the garage that I can use to patch up the vacuum system. The fuel system will be gone over to insure nothing bad happens after it's all fixed. I was hoping to drive this car to the family reunion but after this the 77 Pinto will have to do.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Back in Blue on June 25, 2012, 12:20:58 PM
Sorry to hear about the fire!  Pinto life has it's ups and downs. Sounds like you have it handled though.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pinto5.0 on June 25, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
Sorry to hear about the fire. Hope it doesn't set you back too far....
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 25, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
Thanks. I think it's gonna set me back a little more than I would like. Gotta fix more than I thought. Just looked at the distributor & the electrical harness is all melted & nasty. Alternator harness is all bug gone, PCV valve is a plastic glob... sigh....  :-[
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 25, 2012, 08:44:18 PM
A fire is not the way I wanted to get to page two already  :( .
 
Anyways, I got the engine compartment torn down & it really did a number on it. The following were destroyed by the fire:
 
Distributor, power steering pump, alternator, all vacuum lines, all the wiring in that area, distributor cap & plug wires. The alternator & power steering pump did not get much of the fire but the reservoir on the power steering pump shows a lot of blistering & warping so I will be replacing that. The alternator has a lot of charring & it appears the bearing & diode area got a lot of flame exposure.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Reeves1 on June 26, 2012, 09:25:36 AM
Well that sucks !
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 28, 2012, 12:09:26 PM
Well that sucks !

It sure does.. Well, I haven't gotten anything else done to the car the past couple days, especially since I had a problem with the latch on my 2008 Pontiac. It wasn't the cars fault, but the operators for backing into a pole with the door. Oops. Back to the Pinto now... The car stil stinks under the hood but I'm hoping that when I clean it up with oven cleaner the smell will go away. Yes, I said oven cleaner. I have had more luck using oven cleaner to degrease an engine than I ever did using engine degreaser. I am gonna use that to clean all the old oil off the engine & engine bay. Depending how motivated I am today I will be timing the engine before I install the distributor I had in the garage.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 28, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
I have thought of a name for the car & I think I will go with Fred. Harold III is a possibility but not certain since Harold & Harold II were both sedans & this is a runabout.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: sedandelivery on June 28, 2012, 02:58:41 PM
Hey Matt, with all the problems you have solved on your Pintos, you are becoming a Pinto Guru or Sage whatever fits. If you come to Carlisle next year you can have the chrome grille gratis.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 28, 2012, 03:22:57 PM
Oh, I will be there... The car will be there too. WOuldn't miss it for the world
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 28, 2012, 11:18:49 PM
Didn't do a damn thing to the car today. Just too hot out. When it hits 103 in Ohio there is a problem. I have a replacement radio I plan on installing in the car that is a little more period correct. I got it for free when I got the 8 track radio I won off ebay. It's not an 8 track but is a nice weather band radio. It will go in until I take the radio from Harold II & install it. The Sony digital radio that was in the car had sticky buttons & no working passenger speaker. I think it was a problem with the radio but will find out for sure after installing the replacement radio.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Alpine615 on July 02, 2012, 10:29:29 AM
Any updates??
 
Also, sorry I've been a complete jackass and not sent out the harness yet. Just too busy getting work done on the house so my parents can list it...and this past weekend was spent in Connecticut with the lady. I will tackle this tonight.
 
Hope all is well with you,
-Steve
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 02, 2012, 12:00:39 PM
Nope, no updates. The power is out at my house due to a series of heavy thunder storms so I haven't been able to touch the car recently. It's cool about the harness. Like I said I haven't been able to work on the car anyways.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pinturbo75 on July 02, 2012, 05:30:00 PM
i believe id name the car Murphy,,,, you know,,, as in murphys law.....:D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 07, 2012, 01:20:29 PM
Haha... Not a bad idea... Only thing is I have family with the last name Murphy & they drive me nuts. That would be a reminder lol.
 
Now for the update on the car. It's been too hot to really do anything outside but the good thing is the wiring harness from Steve AKA Alpine615 has arrived. Thanks! Now I have started the painful process of fixing the fire damage. It's not an exact match in some sections so I'm having to mod it a little. It seems that there are some wires for extra parts that aren't on my car. No harm as the old wiring,although burnt to a crisp, is still able to be used as a template for anthing that needs to be switched. It's gonna be perfect once I get it all installed.! I also have an air cleaner assembly from someone in Michigan, who I don't know his username on here. Hopefully he can chime in on here & shed some light on the mystery lol. I'm also gonna be getting the radio ready to install in the car. Just gotta crimp some connectors & in it goes.
 
The radio is a kraco weather band radio an will work great until I part out the 77 & install the 8 track from her.
 
Future mods for this car include a/c, dual horns, and map light. Everything else is pretty much in the car! All I have to do is fix the rust outside & get her repainted. I'm leaning towards the robin egg blue since that was original but I'm not totally sure.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: blink77 on July 07, 2012, 03:29:30 PM
Matt
Let me know when you get the aircleaner and stuff.
If I'd have thought about it I could have sent you
the plastic wing nuts that hold it on. If you need a
carb I also have a good one off a 1980. If you need
anything else, let me know.
Bill
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 07, 2012, 03:58:34 PM
I sure will Bill.

Thanks for ID'ing yourself on here so I knew who to thank properly lol.
 
I should be fine with the carb & actually have a couple plastic nuts. Managed to hang on to them from the 78 I used to have. The carb seems alright & I have a rebuild kit for it but will let you know for sure.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 07, 2012, 04:37:30 PM
After receiving a violation in the mail regarding the Pinto not being registered I went ahead & got to work on the car. The car has temporary tags on it so the violation was pretty stupid.
 
Anyways, I went ahead and worked on replacing the bad wiring in the engine compartment, but it was really hot so I went ahead an moved indoors to work on the radio. The car had a Sony digital radio in it but the right channel didn' work so I decided to install a different unit. In the garage I had a Kraco AM/FM weatherband radio, as well as a replacement radio bezel. I filed the bezel about 1/2 inch on each side & fit the radio. I also installed the blade terminals that will plug in to the speaker connections in the car. I lucked out & found a pair of Ford radio knobs in the garage tht look better compared to the Kraco knobs.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 07, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Tested the radio hook up & so far so good. It appears that I have either bad wiring or just a dead speaker on the passenger side, as no sound. I'm gonna have to check in to it some other time but at least I know the radio works.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 09, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
Thanks to blink77 today was like Christmas for me & the Pinto. I got a big box today & in it was the air cleaner & air intake box. He told me I would be pleasently suprised abou what else was in there & all I can say is thanks!! Vacuum lines!!! YAY!!!!
 
I was so happy to see that in there that I went out to the car & installed them. It's so nice not to have to worry about figuring out where they hooked up since they are just the way they should be. There are still a couple other pieces the car will need to be right but at least it is getting closer.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 13, 2012, 11:33:52 AM
Got paid today so now I'm going to get this car running, hopefully by the end of the night! When I get off work I am gonna get the cap, rotor & plug wires. I will also get some carburetor cleaner to rebuild the carburetor, as well as replace the fuel pump & hoses. Wow... that sounds like a lot on "paper" Maybe not running tonite but I'm gonna give it my best. Then I will drive the car around the block & sound the horn in front of the nosey neighbor's house & drive the car away.. Take that jerks!
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 15, 2012, 03:12:43 PM
I started to demo the carb to clean it & that thing at the EGR port was so plugged up that I came to the conclusion that I needed to get a can of carb/parts cleaner to soak the parts in. One thing that I did not see inside was rust so I'm glad of that. I got parts soaking currently to take care of all the carbon & dirt that was inside & outside the carb. Needless to say it was supposed to rain all weekend so I did not even try to work on the car outside. At least I'm one step closer. I might go ahead and try to set the timing on the engine so I can install the replacement distributor, as well as the new plug wires.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 17, 2012, 09:17:55 PM
I got one thing done to the car today. It was sort of out of sync with what the car needs but what I went ahead & did was replace the wipers on the car. Over at Ollies Bargain Outlet they have off brand wipers for $2.99 each. I had got a pair for my 77 when in Carlisle & they worked pretty well so I went there & got a pair for the 80 as well. I would have just taken the ones off the 77 but they are a month and a half old, and if I drive that car in the rain I sorta need them lol.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: blink77 on July 18, 2012, 04:06:21 PM
Matt
Got your check today. If you need anything else that I might
have let me know.
Bill aka blink77
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 18, 2012, 04:09:14 PM
Sure will Thanks Bill! Just gotta get it all cleaned up & a carb mounted under the air cleaner. It's really nasty & parts have been soaking for 2 days.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 78_starsky on August 05, 2012, 01:25:07 PM
what size/style carb?  i might have one that i can send you free for a parts carb if you need it.  I have to check to make sure that i have the carb from the 2.3 in the box of parts still. that was a nasty fire.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 06, 2012, 11:41:31 AM
Cool, I will let you know. It's the Holley 5200 carb with all the emissions junk connections. Ran really well before the fire, hopefully it will do the same after I get it all back together
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 08, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
What to do... What to do... What to do...
 
Haven't really worked on the car much but today I walked around it & spotted a little hole in the left front fender. It's got rust in the usual places & while I have patch panels for the rear quarters I am thinking I might have to go ahead & replace the front fenders. Not too sure and for now I am gonna go ahead & finish polishing the car but more importantly I have to get it running. Hopefully tomorrow evening I will be setting the timing on the engine so I can index the distributor. We'll see what happens. Gotta decide if this car or Harold II is going to the Ohio Pinto meet.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 17, 2012, 11:48:11 AM
The end is near for Harold II so it is time I get my butt in gear and get this car back on the road. The goal for this weekend is to remove the timing belt & put a new one on, install the new distributor, rebuild & reinstall the carburetor, replace the fuel pump & all the fuel lines, change the oil, clean the interior, swap the tires from the 77, and adjust the exhaust pipe on the back. I have a little more than two days, as I am gonna be working on the car all I can from the moment I get home tonight until there is no more light Sunday. When I get done the car will run and will be ready for the first drive on Monday morning.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Alpine615 on August 17, 2012, 12:09:17 PM
Hey Matt, it's been a while! What are you thinking for replacement fuel lines? Are you going to re-use Harold's? Or go aftermarket?
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 17, 2012, 12:34:51 PM
Well the metal lines are in good shape. It's just the rubber hoses that are needing changed. Replacing them as a precaution. Only one fire per car allowed in my household
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 30, 2012, 11:32:35 AM
Just got a pair of the aluminum wheel caps since my alloys didn't have any. I got them off ebay for $22 shipped. They aren't perfect but neither are the wheels. Regardless they will look better than wheels without the centers.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 30, 2012, 07:09:37 PM
Pics of the center caps
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 02, 2012, 08:30:10 PM
Update:
 
I went to "Swappers Day" in johnstown, Ohio and found a pair of speakers that I am gonna try to install inthe door. not sure how they will fit since they aren't flush mount but not bad for $4.00. I also went ahead & tore into the nightmare of the fuel pump. Wow is that car an oily mess down there. Time to degrease everything. The fuel pump may not have been a problem, as I found a burst fuel hose. Either way I'm not gonna chance it since I have a spare fuel pump & the old one shows fire damage. In addition the metal line would not come off the old fuel pump so I am gonna bend a new line going to the carb from the pump. I hope to have the car running by tomorrow, but we will see.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: blupinto on September 03, 2012, 10:42:35 PM
Pics of the center caps

I saw those on ebay a few days ago. I was considering putting a bid on them, but I'm on the search for Civil War crap, so I didn't. Good get, Matty!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 03, 2012, 11:03:52 PM
Thanks Becky, As soon as I saw then I had to get them. Too good a price to pass up.


Now for updates on the car. I removed the char broiled fuel pump & looked at the hoses. Well, it looks like one ruptured since it was very much charred and blown out. There were two hoses & one was still in one piece, just a little cracked.  The other one was all charred with a hole in it. I think the hose blew out & possibly caused some of the fire. Regardless I am replacing all the hoses, as well as the metal like that would not come off the pump. Before I attempt to start the car I will replace the rear fuel hoses as well. I was gonna take the car to the Ohio Pinto meet but I wanna get the car right before taking it on such a long trip.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 08, 2012, 05:04:55 PM
I swear when you think you are gonna get somewhere someone pulls you back to reality and proves you wrong...
 
I went outside planning on pulling the radiator, replacing the timing belt & after a few other repairs having the car running this evening. Well, I was proven wrong again. I started by loosening the radiator petcock to drain out the old coolant & it wouldn't drain. I thought there was something wrong so I kept trying but only a few drips. I got out a wrench & ended up removing it, to see nasty, brown, cruddy antifreeze coming out. Flushed out the radiator with a garden hose until I got clear water but was concerned. Looked at the petcock & it was packed with so much dirt & crud it wouldn't drain. No problem, I figured I would replace it. Got to thinking what else is plugged, so I went ahead & pulled the upper & lower hose. Interesting find with the upper hose. The t-stat housing was so corroded there is 1/4" of the housing gone at the top where the hose goes. The  t-stat was also stuck in the housing. More muddy coolant in the head... I went ahead & checked the hose & it is mushy so that is gonna be replaced. Also removed the lower hose, which is also crap, as well as the hoses going from the heater core to the t-stat & water pump. All those rubber hoses will be replaced. I went ahead & removed the fan from the water pump & fortunately the bearing is still good. Just as a precaution I am gonna remove it & make sure there is no debris in there, as well as get a new gasket.
 
All this corrosion & crud in the coolant is now making me wonder about the condition of both the radiator, and head gasket. The radiator is a no brainer. Remove it & have it pressure tested, as well as professionally flushed. The head gasket, that is a little different. I'm not sure about tackling that just yet, as I wasn't planning to at this time but might end up doing it anyways. It's also got me concerned of that heater core. Wondering what kind of crap is in it or if it will leak as well.
 
So the day started off with me planning on having the car running by the end of the day, now with the realization that it needs more than I thought to get the car running, and with no cash to do it with. Not a good day at Matt Manter's house. First the tranny goes out on the 77, now the 80 needs more work than thought in order to be driveable.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pinto5.0 on September 08, 2012, 08:24:56 PM
I would put a water pump on it. New is better than rebuilt but a rebuilt will be cheap insurance against it failing. Once the rest of the system is up to snuff that old one isn't gonna last a month.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: sedandelivery on September 08, 2012, 08:42:25 PM
Absolutly replace the pump. I had a similar situation and I took off my pump to find the impeller was almost completely rusted away. A new pump only cost 30.00 I think for a new one.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 08, 2012, 09:07:53 PM
Absolutly replace the pump. I had a similar situation and I took off my pump to find the impeller was almost completely rusted away. A new pump only cost 30.00 I think for a new one.

That's another reason i will be pulling the old one. I wanna make sure there is no corrosion to the impeller. I'm thinking there has to be some since the corrosion was bad enough to eat away at the t-stat housing. That's also why I am considering replacing the head gasket. It's my fear that if one part is badly corroded how will the rest be.
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 11, 2012, 07:36:21 PM
Today when I got home from work I dove into the Pinto's engine.  The engine had a bad oil leak & what caused it was the fact the valve cover bolts were not tight. I didn't even need the ratchet to loosen them. I removed the valve cover & the inside was immaculate! Not one bit of sludge whatsoever. I did notice a nearly new gasket ruined by clear silicone. the gasket even came off in one piece. No cleanup there. I will be degreasing the valve cover & repainting it, as the original paint has seen better days. I checked out the cam & no suprise, it is worn out. All the lobes were worn so I will be getting a replacement. I will look for a Ranger roller cam but if I can't find one I will go ahead & install another slider cam. Next I removed the water pump & found it is okay. No corrosion to the impeller at all! I will degrease it & reinstall it on the block, once I remove all the old sealer that was glopped on so thick the bolts were sticking in the bolt holes.
 
What was supposed to be an easy fix is turning into more with every turn of the wrench. Oh well, cars will be cars.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 15, 2012, 03:29:37 PM
Went to the junkyard to get a roller cam & followers. Managed to get the roller followers but the Ranger didn't wanna give up the cam. Don't wanna do this but will be buying a new cam & use the followers I got from the junkyard. It will be in Tuesday. While I am waiting for it to come in I am gonna get the gaskets & other parts so I can start getting that stuff all taken care of. I got a way to pressure test the radiator so I will do so to make sure it's fine. Once I get the water pump, cylinder head & water outlet installed I will be flushing the entire cooling system out to make sure all the crud is out of the engine.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 22, 2012, 09:22:02 PM
Went ahead & got back to the junkyard to see if I could get the cam from the Ranger. Well, I wasn't able to get it from the Ranger but found a 93 Ranger that was willing to give up its cam. Got the cam & later on got to work on the car. I managed to get the exhaust manifold and intake manifold off the head. When I looked at the water jacket on the intake it was pretty much plugged with all the  crud & corrosion. I was so pissed at what I saw I went ahead & pulled the head. That engine didn't want to give it up but eventually lost. Got the head off the car, to see a nasty looking head gasket but it was still in ok shape. Some places looked a bit bad but overall fine for a 32 year old head gasket. I also checked out the timing belt tensioner & it spins way too easily & is rather noisy. No shocker there as it was the same way on my 77 when I tore into it. I gotta see what I can do to get this thing fixed but know that won't be an easy task as of yet. This car was not taken care of mechanically & it shows.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 26, 2012, 09:03:30 PM
First day back in a long while... Anyways, haven't had the time or patience to work on the car lately as I've been working on myself lately. Had some issues to take care of financially & actually got out & enjoyed life for a while. Anyways, I plan on soon rebuilding the cylinder head & getting the car running. Eventually an entire rebuild is in the car's future & while I am rebuilding the original 91k mile engine the 77s 124k engine will be in its place.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 10, 2013, 06:19:53 PM
Went ahead & swapped out the lock buttons & the turn signal stalk on the 80. There were some jacked up aftermarket crap installed on the 80 so I installed the OE styled ones that were on the 77. May not be much progress but it's better than nothing.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 11, 2013, 04:49:03 PM
Installed the radio antenna from the 77 to the 80. The one on the 80 looked like crap, being all pitted & nasty. Stupid aftermarket POS. It's not hooked up but looks better than the old one.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 13, 2013, 05:17:35 PM
When it rains, it pours. Literally!!  >:( >:(  First nice week in a long time & I can't work on the car due to the rain. I was able to get a little work done though. I degreased the driver side of the engine block, removed the radiator, started to scrape the block, found another carb to install, found a water leak inside I didn't know about, and buffed the paint on the front clip.
The water leak I'm talking about was found on accident. I was in the car looking at the fuse box when I noticed water coming down the passenger door speaker. Not sure where it's coming from but I think it's from either the loose door mirror or bad door seal. Not much else has been done to the car because of the rain but I did also find a bent up radiator core support. It was so bent up the center bracket that supports the grille & hood release was twisted. I figure to remove it what I will do is take off the bumper for better access and heat up the core support before beating it out with my BFH.
The car isn't gonna be perfect by any means but I don't wanna chance anything happening to the radiator, which was a little jacked up at the bottom anyways. When I get a moment I will post the pics of the work on the front clip. The paint sucks but at least it shines up a little.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 13, 2013, 09:14:50 PM
Major brain fart with the carb. Not good to let the parts soak for almost 7 months. Everything in the cleaning solution is gummed up & will prolly be junk. Stupid mistake but oh well. Time to start from the beginning & try again. Good thing I got a couple parts carbs to replace the parts that are too far gummed up.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 19, 2013, 03:45:36 PM
Today I washed the car & she already looks a lot better. I went ahead & was cleaning up the carb & decided to work on the engine some. The inside of the rear timing cover was nasty with oil so I removed it to inspect the intermediate shaft. I removed the gear & the first thing I noticed was a groove in the shaft. Not good that I would need to replace the intermediate shaft but I went ahead & checked a spare engine block that came from a 1980 Ford Courier. I still had the shaft in the block so I removed it & found it to be in perfect shape! Went ahead & cleaned it up, lubed up the bearings with assembly lube & installed it. I wasn't able to remove the crank pulley, since my air compressor decided to die on me. The starter is still on the car & it is at the bottom of a slanted driveway, so locking the flexplate isn't an option. I gotta either pick up a new air compressor or think of another way to remove the crank pulley bolt.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 19, 2013, 06:18:44 PM
Pics of the polished paint
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 19, 2013, 06:22:25 PM
Results of first bath the car has had since at least 2008, if not longer
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 19, 2013, 06:26:13 PM
Even though I washed it I still can't believe how much better the car looks.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: blupinto on January 19, 2013, 10:58:35 PM
From where I'm sitting she's BEAUTIFUL!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 20, 2013, 02:58:27 PM
I was bored & since my air compressor is dead I couldn't do much to the car. With that in mind I decided to polish it up. The paint is really rouch & some areas are crusty, rusty but for now she looks better than before. The name Fred seems to keep popping in my head for some reason so her name is Fred. Fred is now as shiney as she can get for the time being. I hope that I can push the car up the driveway soon and get the tires swapped over. Otherwise she will look pretty ratty with those 14s lol.
 
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 20, 2013, 03:00:45 PM
Pics!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 20, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
Did a little more work. I went ahead & used some Meguire's quick detail on the metal dash & it cleaned up nicely. I had removed the old headlight switch so I went ahead & installed the NOS unit I bought on ebay a few months ago, and re-installed the instrument cluster. The car is slowly coming together with what I can do while without a working air compressor.
I also went ahead & checked the process or the carb soaking, as well as the soaking bolts, and degreased the valve cover. The spare valve cover I have in the garage looks in worse shape than the original valve cover so I chose to go with what I had. The head bolts are also soaking, and come tomorrow I will be checking the threads, as well as running a tap through the bolt holes. If all goes according to plan I will be reassembling the top end of the engine.
I have a brass wheel I wanna use on the combustion chambers, and want to change out the bad valve stem seals as well before installing the head.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 20, 2013, 08:56:19 PM
Forgot to mention something interesting I found when I was polishing the paint on my car. Rivets evenly spaced on the rocker panels, one every 5 or 6 inches down the center, and on the lower fender as well. From what I found out my car prolly had the lower rocker panel moulding from the factory, as well as possibly the wheel well trim. Farther investigation will be done tomorrow in the day time and I will then decide what to do later on. If the car had that stuff from the factory I would love to get the exterior accents back but I know they would be very very hard to find.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pinto5.0 on January 20, 2013, 09:15:39 PM
All the work payed off. It cleaned up nice.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on January 20, 2013, 09:44:04 PM
It really is starting to look good, Matt.  Keep up the good work!
Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 21, 2013, 03:08:14 PM
Thanks Dwayne & Pinto5.0  ;D . I hope to be able to take the car on the stampede this year since I won't be going to Carlisle since I'm buying a house this June.
 
Since it's in the 20s today and I don't have heat in the garage I wasn't able to work on the car much so I went ahead & grabbed the alloy wheel caps from the garage. They aren't perfect but turned out pretty good.
 
The one on the right is how they looked when I got them off ebay, and the one on the left is the end result after polishing.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on January 21, 2013, 04:25:13 PM
I'd say that's a major improvement!
Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 21, 2013, 04:46:58 PM
Thanks Dwayne, The polish I'm using is called Royal Blue. I bought it at the Ohio State Fair and it's doing exactly what they claimed. the 1980 and the center caps are proof of that.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 27, 2013, 05:32:18 PM
It seems this car hates me soooooo much.
 
I got the carb all back together & decided to start cleaning up the intake manifold. I sprayed it with some degreaser and sprayed the ports down. I wasn't gonna remove the cover where the coolant runs through since it wasn't leaking but after seeing the nastyness in the coolant port I went ahead & removed it. That was so disgusting that I'm not sure how the coolant was flowing from how plugged it is.
 
What's so irritating is that as frustrating the 77 was one thing I can say without a doubt is the cooling system was not a mess. I only drove the car about 3-5 miles before the LF blew & I don't even know how the car made it that far with this plugged cooling system.
 
I'm highly considering looking for another intake since this thing is so plugged I don't know how it will even come clean.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 27, 2013, 05:41:23 PM
First pic is the goop that is in the manifold cooling port
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 27, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
Three more. With this I'm starting to question whether or not to replace the heater core while this is all apart.
 
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: cromcru on January 27, 2013, 09:42:09 PM
i say replace the heater core. i went thru the same thing when i bought my 74 in jan of 2010. it well save you major headaches later on.

Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 27, 2013, 10:18:47 PM
That's what I'm thinking of doing. I'm not too sure it's gonna be good considering how plugged the intake was.
 
I did manage to poke & scrape at the manifold & got the blockage taken care of but considering how bad it was I'm pretty sure it's gonna be done for. 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 28, 2013, 05:46:45 AM
Yep, the manifold is done for. I scraped at more corrosion that was in there & underneath was some nasty wear inside. Considering the facts that it is a greasy mess, combined with the corrosion inside I'm gonna be getting a replacement manifold.
 
Anything worth doing is worth doing right and I don't feel using a corroded manifold would be right, let alone a good idea.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pinto5.0 on January 28, 2013, 05:35:14 PM
I'd bet your heater core is nearly plugged as well & that antifreeze became acidic & ate the aluminum. It has something to do with electrolisis in the cooling system. That's the reason for bi-annual flush & fills or 5 year coolant. That is OLD coolant.
 
I would pop the soft plugs out(I'm betting they are nearly rotted through) and flush all the water passages in the head & block. Your water pump & thermostat housing are gonna be nasty as well. Use brass freeze plugs & a good brass thermostat, trust me....
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 28, 2013, 07:24:42 PM
The toriginal so I hermostat housing was actually rusted about half inch down so I have a replacement housing. The t-stat was the original so I got a replacement. The water pump is ok but I'm prolly gonna use a spare pump I have in the garage & replace it with a new unit when I pull the engine to be rebuilt. I'm not sure about the condition of the core plugs or the heater core but I'm more than likely gonna replace the heater core. I'm not even sure about the condition of the radiator. I ran water through it until it was clear but not sure of what to expect of it. Hopefully it's not shot as well.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 29, 2013, 07:00:12 PM
Since it was so nice today I went ahead & painted the valve cover & timing cover I'm going to use for my car's engine. It wasn't necessary but it will make it look better. The timing cover was a spare unit I had in my parts selection & the valve cover was the original cover. I pulled the clean rocker arms out of the cleaner & set them on a clean rag to let them dry out some so I can inspect them. On Thursday I get paid so I can then get a can of brake cleaner to make sure they are clean of any residue and the bearings spin freely.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 30, 2013, 02:57:44 PM
Well I figured out how to save a little money. What I'm going to do is take the heater core from the 77 parts car & install that in the 80. While the core is prolly the original one from 77 I always had good heat from the 77 so I might as well use what I have instead of buying new. Depending on weather I will be pulling the box from the 77 to get the heater core for the 80 this weekend.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 31, 2013, 08:05:17 PM
Taking another cost cutting measure. For now I'm gonna bypass the heater core so I can get the car driveable & make sure the radiator is ok. I'm gonna pressure test it but have my doubts that it will be alright. The other cost cutting measure is I am gonna try to salvage the intake manifold even though it was corroded bigtime inside. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on February 03, 2013, 10:22:11 PM
Got some work done to the cylinder head. Went ahead & cleared a spot on my work bench & scraped off the old dirt & grease, as well as any old gasket material. The engine had never been apart & the intake manifold gasket actually had the Ford logo on it. Next I removed the bad cam followers & camshaft. The lifters didn't want to come out too well as they were a bit varnished. I have them soaking over night & will make sure the lifter bosses are grime free before reinstalling them. The cam gasket was shot & leaking bigtime. With a sharpie I marked the valves & will soak them once I have them removed from the head. There is a lot of baked on carbon & oil so I gotta take care of making sure they are clean. Tomorrow I will look for my valve spring compressor & remove the valve springs so I can soak them & clean the head before reassembly with the ranger roller cam & followers.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on February 04, 2013, 07:24:45 PM
Couldn't find my valve spring compressor so I picked one up from Harbor Freight for $15. When I got home I used it to remove the valves from the head. The valves are now soaking on cleaner, and tomorrow I plan on going over them with a brush to finish cleaning them. When I removed the valve stem seals they were cracking & crumbling bigtime. About half of them broke off in two pieces as I removed them from the head. Tomorrow I will also degrease the cylinder head so it'll be nice and clean once the valves are reinstalled in the head.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on March 16, 2013, 01:07:07 PM
Today I got motivated big time so I started to work on the car. First thing I wanted to do is straighten out that crumpled mess of a lower core support. It was so bad the hood latch bracket that went from top to bottom of the core support was twisted up. I got out the torch & started to heat it up. I was heating & hammering but no luck. My Dad came out to give me a hand but still no luck. Then the lightbulb went off... Why not use a hydraulic jack as a ram to push it back into shape?
No luck. All the fluid would drain away from the cylinder & not pump. So Dad had an idea... Why not use the spare jack I had from the 77 Pinto? He got it in place wedged against the back of the bumper with the notch lined in the hole for the latch bracket. With the help of a Toyota lug wrench, and a little heat that sucker bent right back into shape!
I went ahead & filled up a pan of water & clinched the lower core support to keep it from bending back when I removed the jack. I let it cool for an additional 10 minutes & removed the jack. SUCCESS!!!!
The core support is now fixed so all I gotta do is put the hood latch bracket back on. Since it is all wet & dirty I can't paint it or anything but I will be doing that when I can so it looks better. Not seen much but I want it to look as good as possible.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on March 16, 2013, 01:30:54 PM
I wish I had pics of it before I fixed it but too late for that now lol. Here's some of the repair
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on March 16, 2013, 03:21:55 PM
When it rains, it pours.....
Tried to work on the car some since it was so beautiful out today. Got the engine deck scraped down of any gasket material & fired up my compressor hoping to be able to remove the crank bolt. Luck was not on my side today, as it decided not to come out. Not because it doesn't want to, but because my impact decided to die on me. Not good considering I haven't had it long. Nope, can't return it since I got it at a flea market. It worked fine before but I had it on the garage floor. Apparently it floods to the point that water got to it & killed it. Same thing that happened to the last one. I wish Dad would friggin listen to me & fix the dang drain that is flooding the garage!!
Anyways I went ahead & tried to pressure test the radiator & it won't hold pressure. It was one out of an older Pinto anyways so I'm not too heartbroken but now I gotta track down a darn radiator since I can't pull the one from the 77 just yet. It gets better. Because of that now I am in complete doubt that I can save that heater core, especially with the crap that was coming out of it when I was flushing it. I officially think the Pinto Gods hate me, sending me this piece of junk to get back to running shape. I am beginning to think the only good thing on it is the fact that the floors have no rot & the interior is the deluxe interior. Not much else good about it at this time.
Especially since today I found out my rear window is leaking water at the window seal. I peel back the seal a little bit & there is some rust forming, indicating it's been leaking for some time.
Lastly I was going to install my spare water pump since the original is nasty & prolly no good considering everything else on the cooling system is shot, and couldn't find it for anything! At that point I gave up since the car clearly wants to piss me off. Was thinking of pulling the cylinder head off the work bench & giving it a quick coat of paint but with the way my luck was going with the car today I would prolly drop it on my foot & end up in the hospital lol.
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on March 16, 2013, 04:39:09 PM
While coming home from some errands something popped off in my head. The radiator cap looked ancient & is a cheap fix so I went ahead & got a new radiator cap. At this time I'm gonna prolly end up installing it & leaving the heater core alone to save a few bucks. Worse case scenario I gotta disconnect the heater core for now but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. The carpet is shot anyways so I can't ruin it.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on March 23, 2013, 04:12:47 PM
Since I decided I am going to Carlisle this year I have kicked things into high gear so to speak. I have gone ahead & got me a little work done on the car today and hope to get more done, provided the weather stays nice. We're supposed to get snow so I'm not sure what else I will be able to get done in the next few days.
Since it was nice enough I decided to clean up the cylinder head and get ready to reassemble it. I degreased it completely & got it all scraped of any old head gasket material & then took it by the garage door to give it a fresh coat of Ford Blue paint. While I was at it I also painted the block so it looks a little better. Not as good of a job as my 77 but better than it was.
In addition I also took the time to install the mirrors I had in the garage. The paint doesn't match & they need cleaned up but they look better than what the car had before, which was nothing.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on March 23, 2013, 04:14:12 PM
Pics of the head & block:
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on March 23, 2013, 04:15:21 PM
Now for the mirrors
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on December 28, 2013, 07:02:17 PM
The car pretty much looks the same as it did at the beginning of the year but 2014 will be the start of a new year. The car is still at my dad's house but I am going to figure a way to push it to my house to swap the engine with the 77 sedan. That car is being parted out due to severe rust and rather than do a half way rebuild I am going to yank the engine out of the 78 and install it on my engine stand, and drop in the engine from the 77. Since I've pretty much got settled at my house I hope to start the work in 2014.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 14, 2014, 03:19:31 PM
The car is at my house, as is the 77 parts car with the engine that will go in the 80. In the next day or two I'm gonna remove the hood, and start to get the engine pulled on the 80 so I can get the engine compartment ready for the 77s engine. When I went to Carlisle this year I got the car a grille, as well as the rocker panel trim I need. Hope to get those parts installed soon, as well as the tires from the 77 on. I got a set of hubcaps from an 84-85 Ford Tempo that will be going on the car. Not exactly the right ones for the car but nicer than the steel wheels.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Runabout75 on June 16, 2014, 03:08:14 PM
Great save. Sorry about the engine fire. Hope you can bring it back.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 22, 2014, 03:06:37 PM
Great save. Sorry about the engine fire. Hope you can bring it back.

Thanks

The car currently sits in my garage but later on tonight I'm gonna get the shop light from my Dad's house, remove the hood, and start tearing into the engine compartment to get it ready to pull. I figure I should be able to pull it rather easily. The 77 donor car will fire right up with the push of a button- rigged starter system. Gotta move the mowers out of the way so I can get the engine hoist in there. Then I can go ahead & yank the engine block. The old engine will sit on some old tires until I can get my engine stand from my Dad's house & mount the bare block that is currently on it, in the 77. There is so much to do to the car before it makes the trip to Michigan. Hopefully I will have the majority of the work done before the trip. If the car runs and stops I will be a happy camper.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dianne on June 22, 2014, 04:20:32 PM
Had myself a setback today. I replaced the accelerator pump diaphragm & was doing some other work to the car. Tried to start it but it didn't wanna go. Finally the carb backfired & next thing I knew the engine was on fire!!!  :o  I ran to the garage & grabbed the fire extinguisher but couldn't get it working! Dad  saw me freaking out so I yelled at him that my car was on fire & to call 911. He ran outside  & ran to the back yard & got the garden hose. He got the fire out & within 15 minutes we were looking over the damage.
 
I now need a set of plug wires, various vacuum lines, and parts of the wiring harness repaired. We'll see what happens now.

I'm sorry to hear about your setback. I loved those seats... Hope you can get it fixed up!

Pics of the damage?
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 22, 2014, 04:26:00 PM
I'm sorry to hear about your setback. I loved those seats... Hope you can get it fixed up!

Pics of the damage?

Thanks. 2 years ago the engine fire happened but it didn't take out the whole car. Post 8 on page 2 has the damage of the burned parts. I know that once I get the engine in from the 77 I should be able to get the car running. Gotta install wiring harnesses & other parts to it but as long as I have fuel & spark it should fire right up for a test run.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 22, 2014, 08:28:04 PM
Got the hood pulled off the car & also noticed the bracket the hood latch was mangled so I removed the latch & straightened it up. It's now straight & ready for me to continue the repairs on the car. If all goes according to plan I will be pulling the engine and getting ready to install the replacement engine by the weekend.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 23, 2014, 09:16:50 PM
I was cleaning my garage up today so I can get the engine pulled & went ahead & got the right side tires off the 77 Pinto. Got the RF tire on the 80 but couldn't get the RR off the 80. It's on there so tight it wouldn't come off kicked & kicked at it but no dice. Need to get a big hammer to knock that sucker off the car. Went to my workout tonight & when I came home I was gonna pull the starter. Wrong!!! I ran into another problem. I need to get a couple wrenches & sockets from my Dad's house to drop the rack & pinion. Once I do that I can get the starter off & check into the exhaust pipe.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pinto5.0 on June 24, 2014, 07:46:35 PM
I've changed starters without dropping the rack before.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 24, 2014, 07:49:42 PM
I've changed starters without dropping the rack before.

What's your secret?
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pinto5.0 on June 24, 2014, 07:54:55 PM
I'm not sure. Both were 2.3 cars & I never dropped the rack. On an Ohio car that rack ain't coming out anyhow due to rust & corrosion. If necessary I'd take out the motor mount bolt & jack the engine instead.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 24, 2014, 07:59:06 PM
Interesting.. I'll just have to see what I can figure out & maybe get lucky. On the rusty 77 I was able to drop the rack to get the starter in & out of the car with little problem. On the 80 it's VERY clean down there thanks to a nice leaky oil pan & rear seal lol. We'll see what happens. Just a little too frustrated to mess with it today.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pinto5.0 on June 24, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
I know they made several different length starters so maybe you are cursed with a long version.
 
All 3 racks I've pulled have required me to burn the bushings out then slide the rack off & heat the steel sleeve cherry red to get it off the rack bolts.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 24, 2014, 09:30:10 PM
I know they made several different length starters so maybe you are cursed with a long version.
 
All 3 racks I've pulled have required me to burn the bushings out then slide the rack off & heat the steel sleeve cherry red to get it off the rack bolts.

I guess in some ways I was lucky on the 77 then. A major rust bucket to the point where if I hit a pot hole or speed bump hard enough the RR leaf spring could come separated from the car one of these days, & yet I was able to drop the rack low enough to get the starter off. We'll see what happens when I tackle it next.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on July 26, 2014, 11:44:54 PM
Hey, Matt.  ;D

Sorry to hear about Harold II, but glad to see you got another car. Sounds like you are on the right track. The new car doesn't hate you, it is just giving you tough love. Making you prove yourself worthy. ;D ;D ;D

We moved to Phoenix and now I have a 74 wagon.
Wish I could have gotten another Pinto while we were still in Ohio, I miss being able to go to the Ohio get togethers. Doesn't seem to be much of Pinto following here.

Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 27, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
I hope you're right Russ.

I gotta get my butt in gear if I'm to make the Ohio meet. Wednesday I'm golfing in the morning but then focusing on getting the engine yanked from the 80 & the engine starting to be yanked from the 77. Let the good times roll.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 02, 2015, 12:46:56 PM
Haven't done anything to my car but one thing I got that will be going in this car is a different radio. My dad once had a 1982 Plymouth Reliant and the car had a radio in it I liked. When he sold the car for $50 he kept the radio. At one time I installed the radio in a Ford Tempo I sold him. When he sold the car the radio went with it. Well, while on ebay I found the same type of radio. Paid more for it than I should have but I don't care. It's the exact radio I want.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on August 02, 2015, 10:10:11 PM
Looks good, haven't seen one of them in quite some time..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 03, 2015, 08:12:40 PM
Thanks. Can't wait to install it & see how it sounds in the car
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 08, 2015, 09:59:20 AM
Today I'm gonna have some much needed fun at the Ohio State Fair, and later on I will clean around the car so I can start working on the car. I've got to get her on the road one way or another. I'm gonna yank the engine and transmission as an assembly, and then separate the 80s block from the transmission, before repeating the process on the 77s engine and transmission. I would just drop the assembly from the 77 in to the 80 but the 77 transmission only has 1st & 2nd gear. 3rd decided to go MIA when I was driving the car home from work one day about 3 years ago. Never found the problem but I think the band or clutches went bad. Still shifts good 1-2 but no 2-3 shift. I also will take the radiator from the 77, as the one from the 80 wasn't the right one.  I'm not sure how long the process will take but it will be a learning experience. I've never done an engine swap on my own, let alone on a car that doesn't run due to engine fire. We'll see how it all goes.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 09, 2015, 07:49:31 AM
I been thinking... The 80's current engine doesn't have the cylinder head, and the cylinder head isn't exactly ready to install but i'm not sure I can pull the engine without the head.. Hmmmmm
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on August 09, 2015, 03:54:40 PM
Pulling the engine out with the head off is easier, use a short chain that's large enough to put short bolts with washers into the head bolt holes , if you leave the transmission in place bolt in the middle , if you pull trans and engine as one the second to last holes will work, as for not going into high on your transmission you may have a vacuum line problem, make sure the steel line is not clogged up or has a hole in it from rubbing on something or from rust , also the rubber line could be hard and split , these are very common problems, had my share of them ,
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 09, 2015, 04:04:08 PM
Everything on this car is a complete and total nightmare. It was rigged and aside from no rust underneath is in rough shape. Well that and the interior is fair. Thus why it was a bad fire. Oil everywhere fueled it


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 09, 2015, 06:06:50 PM
VICTORY!!!! Ok, not a big one but victory none the less. I actually got something accomplished. I removed the lower exhaust manifold to catalytic convertor bolt. The top one is being a pain and won't come out too well. Still, progress is progress. This is the first bolt removed from the car in a long long time.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on August 09, 2015, 07:53:17 PM
If I ever take out a full set of exhaust studs/bolts without any being messed up that is one huge VICTORY for me, lmao...
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 09, 2015, 07:55:14 PM
If I ever take out a full set of exhaust studs/bolts without any being messed up that is one huge VICTORY for me, lmao...

Funny you say that, cuz I can't even get a wrench or socket on the top one.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on August 09, 2015, 08:25:08 PM
Yep those can be a real pain , even with the right tools they can take time to remove , not counting the busted knuckles and leaving your DNA all over that spot , and since you said you had the head off of it you could remove the pipe from the catalytic converter and slide the whole pipe out from the top, and use a propane torch and heat the nuts up and then spray some Kroll on them ,use a six point scoket, always worked for me , and also you said the bottem of the car is covered with oil. Bet the rubber elbow to the transmission modulator turned to goo, that would give you a no high gear

Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 09, 2015, 08:32:21 PM
Yep those can be a real pain , even with the right tools they can take time to remove , not counting the busted knuckles and leaving your DNA all over that spot , and since you said you had the head off of it you could remove the pipe from the catalytic converter and slide the whole pipe out from the top, and use a propane torch and heat the nuts up and then spray some Kroll on them ,use a six point scoket, always worked for me , and also you said the bottem of the car is covered with oil. Bet the rubber elbow to the transmission modulator turned to goo, that would give you a no high gear



Well not exactly accurate. I believe I was a little confusing with my previous statement. I should have specified... The engine compartment was what was covered in oil. Underside is actually very clean and dry. Under the hood was very very greasy. I see what you're referring to about the convertor located under the car, and may give that a try before fighting with the part under the hood that I was referring to as the convertor. my 77 has no converor so I dunno what part is what on the 80.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on August 09, 2015, 09:03:12 PM
Ok , I see what you mean , been though that a few times myself over the years , cars that had converters when I got the car , a did not have a converter when I sold the car years later , guess your useiing two cars to make one useable,  very doable, pick the best stuff and install, guess invest in a case of gunk to clean all the oil and Greese so when you work on it you don't give yourself a lube job every time you open the hood😜
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 16, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
When I had recently gone to the junkyard I found a set of 16" wipers on a 1985 Chevy Cavalier that were just what I was looking for. They were in horrible shape with rubber all dry rotted and the wipers themselves covered in crud & dried moss. Well I put some carwash soap & hot water in my kitchen sink to soak them in & they cleaned up nicely. Now all I need is to find new rubber refills, and they will be ready to put on the car.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 16, 2015, 10:46:56 AM
Went to my Dad's house & found an unopened pack of wiper blade refills. I bought them for his Taurus originally so they needed shortened but once done they came out nice. I cut the frame with a hack saw and miter box so they were nice & even & the rubber I was able to cut with a pair of scissors.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 16, 2015, 10:47:55 AM
Car before new wipers
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 16, 2015, 10:48:31 AM
Car after new wipers
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 16, 2015, 10:16:44 PM
Seems to have been a worthwhile project!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 19, 2015, 06:04:34 PM
Seems to have been a worthwhile project!


Dwayne :)

Definitely. When I got the wipers from Pick N Pull they didn't even charge me for them. All covered in dried moss & crud but worth the soak & scrub time & they look very similar to what I remember was on my parent's 77 wagon. I like original wiper look. Even searched junkyards for OEM style wipers for my 85 Omni. Just a detail that is minor to some but important to me.... Says the person that is putting a digital radio in his Pinto lol
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 19, 2015, 06:20:44 PM
Here's the pic of the radio I was gonna install, and the radio I am gonna install. Both in the Pinto dash bezel
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on August 20, 2015, 07:29:10 AM
Looks good..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 20, 2015, 07:31:17 AM
Thanks. I was gonna get the front end jacked up last night so I could unbolt the driveshaft and start demo but then realized I had only one jack stand at my house. Went to my dads and got a second. Car will be in the air soon  and might go ahead and jack up the rear as well since I have four stands


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 19, 2015, 09:47:17 AM
Haven't touched the car. Life has been kicking my butt, preventing me from even touching it. The car is covered in grime inside & out, doesn't run, and my clean floor pans aren't as clean as I originally thought, with the RR floor rusted away. One section rusted not as bad as the 77 with everything rusted. So tired of things not going my way. I really gotta clean this car out. Maybe that'll give me some motivation if it looked better & didn't have junk piled on the roof. Just once I wish things would go my way.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 03, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
Going to get some insulation for the garage, and hang the cabinets I have. From there I will move the lawn mowers to my shed for the winter so I have room to work. Thank god for thick chain since it has no doors. I can then get the car off the wheels, and on all four jack stands so I can remove the driveshaft, tires, and go from there to pull the engine and transmission.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 04, 2015, 07:53:00 AM
So tired of things not going my way. I really gotta clean this car out. Maybe that'll give me some motivation if it looked better & didn't have junk piled on the roof. Just once I wish things would go my way.
Does that ever sound familiar.. ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2015, 09:31:39 PM
Does that ever sound familiar.. ::) ;D ;D

Well it looks a little better. I wiped down the windshield but then ran out of paper towels lol. It's got some overspray on it so I gotta get that cleaned off so  it's better. Still, some progress better than none

Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 06, 2015, 08:20:28 AM
Still, some progress better than none
That's the way I look at it. :D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 06, 2015, 06:39:32 PM
some progress better than none



Always!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 14, 2015, 05:59:18 PM
Well it is better than no progress. I was looking at the grille and trying to figure how to attach it to the car. The bottom passenger tab on the grille was broken and the upper on the same side was broken on the headlight bucket with no center bracket which left only the left side of the grille supported. I bent an old shelf bracket for the center and made an extension for the upper passenger side. The grille now is supported ! Will take pics of the work later


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: postalpony on October 15, 2015, 12:11:24 PM
Way to go Matt.  Don't let the little things stop you. I like the way you solved your grill problems.  This what I have done all my life, & It still works.
Good luck!    Dick
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 15, 2015, 12:22:00 PM
Thanks Dick, I thought about it and figured why not try it. The car is far from perfect and it got the creative juices flowing. Best part is it used material I already had in the garage


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 16, 2015, 01:50:46 AM
Necessity is the mother of invention.  Well done!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 16, 2015, 09:44:10 AM
So I finally got some pics of the work. I ended up painting the brackets with some flat black paint and they came out ok. I also went ahead & hit the buckets with the flat black as well so they look a little better.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 16, 2015, 09:45:46 AM
The brackets all painted & installed
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 16, 2015, 09:51:12 AM
Now I will say I DON'T like to make repairs to parts like I did to the headlight bucket, but right now cash is tight, and the cost to fix using the radio bracket was perfect. FREE!!! As for the center bracket, I don't know what the original was like but if I had bought the car I would have never known it wasn't original. Before I painted the center bracket I went ahead & filed down the sharp edges that were left from cutting the bracket.  I had a piece of cardboard that I used as a template when the grille was mounted, and then transferred the bend to the shelf bracket using my dad's vice that I "borrowed". Overall I am very pleased with even the little task that was accomplished. The grille is far from perfect but it looks much better than  the black grille with the chrome buckets, and I don't like the black look anyway.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 16, 2016, 11:37:50 AM
The moment I have been both dreading and waiting for. This weekend I will be pulling the engine from the car and installing the one from the 77 this weekend. It's bitter sweet. I've owned the 77 sedan since 2006 and don't want to part with it but the car is unsafe at any speed. Cancer claimed her but she will live on through the 1980. I rebuilt the engine back in 2010 so it's strong. Only exception are the rings. Had great compression so I didn't. While the engine from the 1980 gets rebuilt I will run the car with the 77 engine. My dad and I are going to pull it Saturday. Next in line is the mess of wiring burned in the fire and brake inspection. It will also get the wheels and tires from the 77. Wheel covers are from a 1985 Ford Tempo. With any luck the car will run again very soon.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 16, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
The moment I have been both dreading and waiting for. This weekend I will be pulling the engine from the car and installing the one from the 77 this weekend. It's bitter sweet. I've owned the 77 sedan since 2006 and don't want to part with it but the car is unsafe at any speed. Cancer claimed her but she will live on through the 1980. I rebuilt the engine back in 2010 so it's strong. Only exception are the rings. Had great compression so I didn't. While the engine from the 1980 gets rebuilt I will run the car with the 77 engine. My dad and I are going to pull it Saturday. Next in line is the mess of wiring burned in the fire and brake inspection. It will also get the wheels and tires from the 77. Wheel covers are from a 1985 Ford Tempo. With any luck the car will run again very soon.


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Hope everything goes smoothly!!!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 17, 2016, 08:15:35 AM
Thanks. I'm having issues with figuring out the wiring as I look at it since the wiring was destroyed in the fire. Parts were fixed in 2012 but I didn't complete it & now have a bad situation since my before fire pics don't show the harness. I don't know why on Earth Ford decided to make wiring changes in 1980 when they were killing off the car but they did. Tonight I'm going to my Dad's house to grab the rear main oil seal from my Dad's house, and will see if I can find the 1980 vacuum & electrical Pinto book. Too late to buy another one off ebay to get it here before the weekend. It's a shame I have a good running 77 but can't use the harness as a template but it is what it is. I will also get the car jacked up tonight & remove at least the front wheels. The rears are 14" rims from a Ford Tempo and don't want to come off. Those will be going on the 77 but only after I file the center hub of the wheel so they go on. that car will never see the road again so doesn't matter much.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 17, 2016, 08:34:47 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160818/06cabf1406cced7cb6a93561b18c2bc6.jpg) Doesn't look too bad now that she isn't covered in junk. A bath will happen as soon as she runs.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 18, 2016, 07:52:04 PM
So I went ahead and jacked up the front of the car and got the old oil drained from the engine. Since the car had not had an oil change since I owned it the oil was real nasty. Who knows how long it was before then. While I was under the car I checked the rotors and found the RF wheel to barely turn. I unbolted the wheel and the bearing is almost completely seized. I also noticed the rotor itself is junk. The rotors on the 77 are in much better shape so they will be going on the 1980. I had already replaced the front bearings on the 77 back in 2010 so I know those bearings are good.

I also looked underneath and saw it has a little more rust than I recall but the car sat and appears to be solid. I will be sealing the floor eventually. I also found a nice surprise. I looked at the transmission and noticed the pan looked deeper than the 77's transmission. I counted the bolts. 11 instead of 13. Turns out the 80 has the C4 transmission instead of the C3 like the 77. I'm a happy camper with that find, even with finding the bad brake rotor, and locked up RF wheel
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 21, 2016, 08:08:15 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160821/8ef91facca1538c08cefaa87a3c467ba.jpg)Another update. Engine is out. Gonna do a little cleanup on it before installing the engine. Did notice the car has blue paint inside the bell housing and outside as well. Not sure if that was oem or an indicator of a replaced transmission
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 22, 2016, 01:13:43 PM
Engine compartment is partially degreased. Wanted it to be safe since there was a lot of oil from the massive oil leak. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160822/3ac197f695972881b9d43f33aca85ba5.jpg)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 22, 2016, 01:15:37 PM
Engine from the 77. I will be cleaning it up a bit, which will include fresh paint and new oil pan gasket and rear main seal. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160822/f67f57781876f1e06cce945a09cfde42.jpg)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on August 23, 2016, 07:27:44 AM
Amazing what a bath will do, looks pretty good..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 23, 2016, 02:02:21 PM
Thanks. I got some more scrubbing but it looks good for the most part. I'm glad since I was afraid I wouldn't be able to save any of it. I looked under the car last night & saw the fuel lines & brake lines are badly rusted so they will be changed before starting the car. The first time I run the car I want it to not have a leak. Right now it might. The 77 brake lines were redone in 2007 so I will use them. The fuel lines are in better shape so I might use them also. The sending unit also looks sad so I will change it out as well
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on August 24, 2016, 07:52:14 AM
I've seen a lot worse, you're coming right along keep up the good work..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 24, 2016, 03:39:36 PM
I've seen a lot worse, you're coming right along keep up the good work..

Thanks. The new motor mounts arrived today so those will be getting installed in the brackets tonight after I clean & paint them up. I might also clean the engine up some. Haven't decided on that yet or not. I also gotta check the threads in the bellhousing. My Dad reminded me the threads may have been stripped, as we found. removing the bolts
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on August 25, 2016, 07:25:57 AM
May as well put inserts in all of them at one time and be done with it..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 25, 2016, 08:04:16 AM
May as well put inserts in all of them at one time and be done with it..
I plan to inspect the threads and do just that if they were stripped. My Dad & I have found that the previous owners of this car did some messed up stuff. The starter bolts were out by about 1/4", bellhousing bolts not tight possibly due to stripped threads on the bellhousing, rigged hatch seal, 14" wheels from a Tempo on the rear that had center bores smaller than the hubs- had to beat them off with a sledge hammer. Radio was wired funny when I removed it, holes drilled for various LEDs in the instrument cluster and wood insert above the glove box, messed up wiring under the hood before the fire. Good stuff. At least it's getting fixed right.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on August 26, 2016, 07:37:43 AM
That sucks, some people shouldn't be allowed to own tools let alone work on vehicles..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 26, 2016, 12:02:59 PM
You got that right.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 27, 2016, 08:16:16 AM
So I done some thinking. While the engine is out of the car I am going to go ahead & repaint the engine compartment. While I don't have the time to wait for the actual color to come in if ordered online I will locate a color that is close & use it. The color won't be an exact match but close enough for now. It will look a lot better than it does now with thin paint. I don't know if it was the combination of the scrubbing or thin paint in the engine compartment but it's something I can't let go. I have a month before the car show and anything worth doing is worth doing right. There is enough time to get it done... In theory.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 27, 2016, 02:05:30 PM
Got some painting to the engine done. Engine primered. Once the oil pan is clean and installed I will primer it and get it ready for paint as well. I can also primer where the hoist is holding up the engine. Unfortunately I can't put the engine on my stand since it is occupied by a 1980 Ford Courier engine block.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 28, 2016, 09:14:40 AM
Engine pics. After primer, after painting
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 28, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
It's looking good, Matt!!!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 28, 2016, 02:22:31 PM
Thanks! I went to respray the engine, and ran out of paint so I grabbed the next can. It was the darker, Old Ford Blue. So I went ahead & resprayed the entire engine. Looks better anyways since that was what it was originally painted in the 1980. I also did a trial spray with Rustoleum Harbor Blue in the engine compartment. It's very close to the original color and will look much better once done. Just got to remove the wiring & other parts, and finish degreasing, while repriming where needed. I also removed the battery tray and started to use the wire wheel on it. I will give it a couple coats of self etching primer, and then repaint the entire thing with the Harbor Blue paint.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 28, 2016, 09:15:44 PM
Due to the heat I wasn't able to get much done to the car. Too hot in the garage without any fans so I did what I could. Got the battery tray pulled, rust ground off with a wire wheel, and both sides sealed with self etching primer. Next step will be painting both sides of the battery tray. It won't go back in the car until after I finish with the engine compartment. Hopefully that will go ok.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 31, 2016, 07:59:53 AM
Forgot to put the pic up last night but I repainted the battery tray with the Rustoleum Harbor Blue. The bottom side was painted in a darker Dupli-color blue I had in the garage so I didn't use all the Harbor Blue on the tray. Looks 100% better. Tonight I'm hoping to pull the wiring from the engine compartment and move it out of the way so I can finish degreasing & painting the engine compartment. The Harbor Blue isn't a perfect match but close enough for now. I can always repaint it later on if I feel like spending $20 per spray can for the original 3F paint code.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 03, 2016, 10:53:54 AM
No new pics today but I got some more work done to the car today. Well started to anyway. I've been soaking the oil pan insides to make sure it was good and clean before bolting it back up, then followed up with the wire wheel to clean up the outside. for paint. The pain is in ok shape and while the paint I sprayed on in 2009 held up the outside did have some bubbling from rust. I also got the gasket surfaces cleaned up and noticed some scratches and minor pitting. While I don't like to do this normally I went ahead and put a small film of gasket maker on the pan to take care of those minor imperfections, and hopefully prevent a future leak. One of the mounting flanges was also slightly bent so I flattened it out to make sure it will have a good seal on the block. Once the sealer is dry I will put the oil pan on an old box or other support method and primer it before painting it with Old Ford Blue. Once painted I will clean the mounting flange on the block and install the oil pan. Monday the engine will be installed in the car. Can't wait.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 03, 2016, 03:14:13 PM
Pics of the  oil pan.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 03, 2016, 06:32:12 PM
Looking good!!!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 04, 2016, 07:18:13 AM
Thanks Dwayne! I am really amazed at the progress so far. The paint on the oil pan looks good, and today I will be cleaning the block before installing the oil pan to the engine. On the agenda today I will also be pulling the wiring harness and clean the engine compartment. I will then be giving it a fresh coat of Rust Oleum Harbor Blue. It really amazes me how close it matches to the OEM car color.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on September 04, 2016, 07:32:03 AM
Looks good..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: PintoMan1 on September 04, 2016, 07:59:36 PM
really looks good Matt! i know it takes time, but keep up the good work!

Glen
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 05, 2016, 08:36:19 AM
Thanks, it sure does but it's worth it. Last night I painted the engine compartment the best I could. I wasn't able to mask off the grommets since I couldn't find the tape and was in a bind so I will clean them off later. The compartment is 100% better than it was before.

I also got the oil pan back on the block, and installed the distributor, and original starter ground cable to the engine. Also painted up the engine mount brackets, and installed new mounts. Looks 100% better

Pics to come soon!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 05, 2016, 03:11:13 PM
I just love progress!!!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 05, 2016, 07:05:49 PM
No new progress today. It was issue after issue. Found out the threads in the C4 bell of my transmission were stripped at the dowel holes on both sides. Bought a heli-coil kit for it and that fixed that but ran in to another problem. We got the bellhousing installed to the block but when attempting to rotate the crank it was locked solid. For some reason the torque convertor seems to be binding so not sure what's going on. I had installed the torque convertor in the bellhousing before installing the engine but no luck. Pulled it out and the engine rotates fine. For some reason we are having issues getting it to fit flush against the engine. Don't know what's up. Got the engine out and will have to retouch some areas of the engine compartment, as ther are some scratches now.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 05, 2016, 09:03:26 PM
Engine compartment painted.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: oldkayaker on September 06, 2016, 05:22:24 AM
Amazing how much better the engine bay looks with a fresh coat of paint.  On the engine locking up when the C4 is bolted up, the only thing that comes mind is that the torque converter may not have been fully seated in the C4.  After sliding the torque converter into the C4, rotate the converter until it in fully slides in.  My C4 torque converter snout measures about 5/8" in from the face of the bell housing (not proud of it) when seated (prior to bolting to engine).  Hope your real problem is this easy to resolve. 

If the engine had come from a manual transmission car, the pilot bearing would need to have been removed.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on September 06, 2016, 07:53:39 AM
Looking good..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 06, 2016, 09:42:37 AM
Thanks. Tonight when I get home after the gym I might pull the brake rotors off the 77 & put them on the 80 so that's done, as well as install the driveshaft back on the car so that'll be done. Maybe even fix my air compressor so I can use it for a quicker install of parts
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 11, 2016, 01:42:48 PM
The engine is in the car. Today my Dad & I got the driveshaft reconnected to the car, then lined up the notches on the torque convertor. We moved the engine in to place and noticed things weren't lining up. The jack being used to support the transmission kept failing and had to be constantly pumped back up, and even then it would line up on one side but not the other. I decided to lower the transmission and look to see what was going on. Went ahead & rotated the transmission. Once I did that the bellhousing lined up perfectly after jacking it up. Started one bolt, and jacked the transmission up after the jack dropped again. We got the four bolts holding the bellhousing to the block started and snugged, then hit the bolts at the backside.  It fit perfectly, and the engine rotated afterwards.

Got the brackets bolted back on for the starter solenoid wire and dipstick tube bracket, and since the engine was off the mounts went ahead and bolted in the starter. Looks so good not having grease and oil all over everything. My dad had to leave and I though we were good to go but later remembered the engine mount to frame brackets needed bolted back on the car. Later on he will come back to help with that, and then the engine will be off the hoist. I will clean any grease from the engine compartment, and respray any areas that got the paint damaged. 

Pics to come soon!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: PintoMan1 on September 11, 2016, 05:59:19 PM
sounds like you should have it up and running soon! I hope all works out for ya and it starts right up! good luck! oh, and the engine compartment looks good too! pretty soon no more dirty hands, lol!

Glen
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 11, 2016, 09:32:25 PM
Thanks Glen,

I'm looking forward to getting the engine to run. I got the engine compartment retouched, and Dad & I got the engine mounts bolted to the car. It now is sitting in the engine compartment on its own. I've also bolted the exhaust manifold on the engine, and once the paint is dry in the engine compartment I will fill the crankcase with fresh oil, and also install the intake manifold. I also replaced all the rubber fuel hoses, and ran in to a major issue with the fuel lines. One of the old lines snapped in two and is now needing replaced. Not too sure what my plan of attack will be but will get it done.  Better to find out this problem now than when I have a fuel leak.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 14, 2016, 12:21:51 PM
Still need to get up pics but I do have an update. Started to route the wires, and also found the right bracket for the engine lift on the driver side. While the engine won't be coming out again any time soon I want it done right. I scraped off loose paint, and degreased the bracket before repainting it. Tonight it should be dry enough to put the intake manifold back on. I also found a couple bare wires in the harness where there are some splices. What I am going to do is get the brush on electrical tape to cover the splices. Better to fix now, than chance a bad fusable link due to a short. If I had new wire look I'd replace the worn stuff but unable to at the moment.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 14, 2016, 10:22:20 PM
Got the intake manifold installed, and another coat of paint on the engine bracket. In the mean time here are some pics.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on September 15, 2016, 08:25:39 AM
NICE, looks clean..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 15, 2016, 11:23:11 AM
Thanks. Lots of hard work but worth it. Especially when finished
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 15, 2016, 12:47:10 PM
Thanks. Lots of hard work but worth it. Especially when finished

Absolutely!  But, as you said, worth it!!!  Keep up the good work!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 17, 2016, 09:38:17 PM
Today I got the carburetor installed, as well as the grille, heat shield, EGR valve and line, as well as the air cleaner duct that bolts to the inner fender. I was going to work on getting the car to a car show in Kentucky next week but my Impala had a collapsed heater hose. Pulled the radiator cap and sludgy so I have to fix that car so I can go to work, instead of working on the Pinto.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 18, 2016, 06:50:19 AM
Well, first things first.  As you said, you need the Impala to get back and forth to work.  It sounds like you're getting close with the Pinto, though!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 18, 2016, 10:02:06 AM
Well, first things first.  As you said, you need the Impala to get back and forth to work.  It sounds like you're getting close with the Pinto, though!


Dwayne :)

I sure am Dwayne. I will be working on the Pinto a little today but it won't start for the first time in four years like I originally wanted. I will end up working on the Pinto while the Impala sits and cools so I can drain and refill the cooling system after flushing it out. I still need to cut off the rusted fuel lines at the rear and use new line to fix the bad section. I've found more rust under the car than I originally expected. It's not as clean as I would have liked but is leaps and bounds better than the 77. I only have one floor area with rust through. The rest will be coated with POR-15 to seal what has started. It's a 36-37 year old car with no undercoating so I'm not surprised. I will end up dropping the gas tank and sealing underneath but that will be later on. I feel much safer with this car than the 77 but it does need some work.

I do have bolts I cleaned in 2012, as well as the missing coolant line I have to pick up from Dad's house, as well as a replacement power steering pump. The old one has just a little bit too much fire damage to the reservoir. While it cleaned up ok it has extensive blistering, and I'm afraid if I leave it I will have an eventual leak. Better to be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 18, 2016, 02:19:22 PM
Matt,


I'm just happy to see your renewed interest in the Pinto!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 18, 2016, 04:39:38 PM
It's been there. Life just got in the way. Once I refinanced the home loan and paid some bills I was finally able to get everything together to actually work on the car.

I just got done flushing the cooling system on the Impala, as well as replacing the radiator hoses and radiator cap. I'm not sure everything is OK with the car but time will tell.

Back to the Pinto... I had to get the ramps to work on the Impala, so I also went shopping for Pinto parts. I grabbed all the nuts and bolts I degreased in 2012, and some old steel lines I kept for a "just in case" reason. They are in really good shape so I will straighten then, degrease them, and use them to fix the bad fuel line at the rear of the car. I also grabbed some extra wiring, and my other power steering pump. Unfortunately the return line nipple was busted off the reservoir so it's junk.  I now need to get a power steering pump for the car. I'm not interested in spending $$ on a new pump so I am going to see what I can find on ebay, and see what car I can get one from since I know Pintos are nonexistent out here.

Just can't chance the old pump since there is a lot of blistering on the reservoir of the original pump
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on September 18, 2016, 11:26:42 PM
You should think about getting rid of the power steering completely. Pintos need power steering like they need a 6 speed tranie. And it will cost nothing. Just remove the hose's and connect the two ports with a short piece of rubber hose. That's all and if you still need power steering you can do it latter down the road. I've done this on all my Pinto race car since 1974. Try it/you'll like it. And take a look at the rag joint. I replace them with a U-joint. Same $$$$.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 19, 2016, 12:31:32 PM
You should think about getting rid of the power steering completely. Pintos need power steering like they need a 6 speed tranie. And it will cost nothing. Just remove the hose's and connect the two ports with a short piece of rubber hose. That's all and if you still need power steering you can do it latter down the road. I've done this on all my Pinto race car since 1974. Try it/you'll like it. And take a look at the rag joint. I replace them with a U-joint. Same $$$$.

I don't like it. My 77 has manual steering & I was in the process of converting it to power steering since I didn't like it. Just personal preference. The car was pretty well optioned out and decided whatever it did have will remain. My 77 I was getting modded but my 80 is staying OEM.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 29, 2016, 08:30:03 AM
Got some more parts painted. The heater lines painted up, dipstick painted & installed. Had to use the ugly 77 dipstick tube since the 80 Courier tube didn't want to work. Dipstick in & oil level good. Also put on the oil filter, throttle cable bracket, and some of the electrical wiring. I still need to clip it to the fender, install the hood, install the fuel lines & an in-line fuel filter at the back of the car as well in case there is junk in the tank. This weekend I hope to be able to fire up the car. I will try to have updated pics posted.

I also polished up the air cleaner assembly, and painted up the air cleaner tubing that was nasty looking.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on September 29, 2016, 09:39:30 AM
Quite a bit of progress there, good deal.. 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 29, 2016, 06:03:45 PM
Quite a bit of progress there, good deal.. 

Absolutely!!!  Keep up the good work Matt - I can't wait to see the finished project!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 30, 2016, 07:33:49 AM
Thanks Dwayne. If all goes according to plan it will drive on Sunday to the spot where she broke down & was towed home with a blown tire in 2012. She has never had a complete trip & I want to change that
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 30, 2016, 01:27:46 PM
Thanks Dwayne. If all goes according to plan it will drive on Sunday to the spot where she broke down & was towed home with a blown tire in 2012. She has never had a complete trip & I want to change that

Sounds like a plan to me!  Good luck!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 05, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
Ran in to issues Sunday. the 5/16" compression union to fix the fuel line was smaller than the OD of the line. Got the line routed but need to get a new union, and the 1/4" union wasn't a union at all. Gotta buy a new one. Once I do that I can plumb the fuel lines. I'm on vacation next week so my goal is to have her driving by next Friday.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 05, 2016, 10:12:57 PM
Sounds like just about done, that's great..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 06, 2016, 10:19:34 AM
Well, not quite but done enough to drive. The 77 Pinto has good tires that will go on the 80. It needs a bit of work to be restored and driven regular but hopeful to get it on the road so I can park the Impala to fix her leaky oil pan & intake gasket
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 09, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
Got the compression fittings needed to install the fuel lines. Still on the fence on the original power steering pump since it has blistering and signs of leaks, being all greasy. Now it could have been from the massive oil leak on the engine but I can't say for certain. Only thing is cash is low. In all reality I should be replacing it. Decisions, decisions
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 10, 2016, 07:42:30 AM
Could just wash it down good and watch for a leak, may not need replacing??.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 10, 2016, 08:23:32 AM
Could just wash it down good and watch for a leak, may not need replacing??.

The blistering on the reservoir was pretty drastic so I was concerned about the integrity of it. There was also a lot of grease around the pump shaft itself. While it may have been ok I was concerned besides the blistering on the reservoir the shaft seal was also bad. Not wanting to chance it I got a replacement from Autozone. It'll be going on the car HOPEFULLY today or tomorrow.

I did manage to get the fuel lines connected at the back of the car yesterday, and fabricated a bracket to hold them to the underside of the car. Made it out of some roll strapping I had in the garage. The original bracket was rusted away, but felt it needed to be there to secure it. The lines aren't perfect but functional. My 77 had rust galore but oddly enough the fuel lines were good on it. If I end up scrapping that car then its fuel lines will eventually go to the 80 when I pull everything off to wire brush and coat everything.

There were also wiring connections I had to repair due to the fire so I took those connections in the house, and soldered them. The only one I am having an issue with is the alternator connection at the harness. For that I might have to get a small torch to heat the thicker gauge wire so I can solder that . The connector fell apart in 2012 and needs replaced.

The car was a barn car. While some areas are in much better shape than the 77 was there are others that are still nasty. I will eventually drop everything from underneath, wire brush or wire wheel everything, and then use POR-15 to coat and seal all the metal. The car does have some weak points in the floor but has a much more solid floor than the 77.

Today I need to measure the fuel line under the hood to replace it. The one from the 1980 had a split and tossed, the one from the 77 wouldn't line up and was slightly pinched off in one spot.

I was cleaning the interior of the car some trying to locate a missing aluminum spacer for the fuel pump guard and did see something that concerns me. Cut wires. When I bought the car it only had one door speaker working so I removed the passenger kick panel. Behind it was a bunch of cut wires. I never cut anything in the car so I will use the 1980 Ford electrical guide to track down what those wires are for. When I was driving it in 2012 my Dad was behind me so I know he would have said something about no lights at the back.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 10, 2016, 08:33:17 AM
Well, in that case you did the right thing to just replace it..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 10, 2016, 09:50:13 AM
Yup... While the engine was so covered it may have been from something else the alternator had no oil on it so I had my doubts.

As I sit here I think of the other cars I could have gotten. There was a green 74 sedan low miles car (40k miles) in North Carolina, a blue 78 wagon with a/c in North Carolina, a green 75 Runabout, and a few others. This car was what I thought was the best of them. Looking back I should have gone with my gut and got the 78 wagon. It had a big dent in the back but after everything that has happened with this car I am not sure I made the right choice.

My first Pinto was a runabout and while I liked it I never had a love affair for it. The 77 sedan I loved which is why I can't bring myself to get rid of it until I know for sure it's dead. This car I bought cuz it was a running, driving car with what I thought was a good body, and no rust underneath. I somehow missed a lot underneath and are not happy with myself.

Bottom line is I made a mistake with this car but I will do what I can do to save it. Will I keep it? I don't know. I feel to keep a car I need to have a feeling about it, and it's not there. For granted I had the fire a week after buying it and have yet to drive it but only time will tell after I get the car running and driving.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 10, 2016, 12:13:26 PM
Well, don't feel too bad I think most of us made that mistake at one time or another, lol..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 10, 2016, 01:01:47 PM
LOL yup, I learned on each of my cars, and that's the important thing. I will fix this car, and if I don't have a good feeling then I will move on to the next one after I sell it. The car has its good points although being all filthy at the moment it's hard to see them. Only time will tell to see if it's worthy of my devotion and care.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 10, 2016, 05:44:03 PM
Knowing firsthand what miracles you wrought on Harold II, despite tremendous odds, I have no doubt you'll bring this car to a much higher level!  I think once you actually get it on the road, you might start to get that "feeling" you're looking for.  Keep up the good work!


Dwayne :)
Title: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 11, 2016, 12:11:44 AM
Thanks Dwayne I hope you're right. It's hard to tell when most the time the car has spent sitting but we'll see once I take that drive to Plain City, Ohio to complete her first drive since 2008. ( Completing the trip from when I bought her. )



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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 11, 2016, 07:29:29 AM
That will be a nice accomplishment .
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 11, 2016, 09:26:38 PM
Ran into issues with the fuel line from the pump to the carburetor.  I was bending the replacement line but then had a thought. I might be using space that isn't available. Sure enough the line was right where the power steering pump went. So I decided to install the power steering pump on the car. I also got the electrical wires cleaned of any grease & oil, and reinstalled them. I just couldn't leave them the way they were. I've put so much time in the engine compartment I needed to clean the harness. Now I do have a major issue with the alternator connector being long gone thanks to the fire and not being taken care of. For now I will plug it in and tape it up to prevent arcing. Not what I want to do but a harness I have from a 1980 wagon also had a broken connector that was previously siliconed up.

I also ran into an issue with the lower radiator hose. I bought new hoses in 2012 and when I went to install the lower it was discovered the hose I got was for an a/c car. Too long and it the sway bar. I cut it to make it fit, and still no go. New hose ordered and will be in tomorrow morning. I'm also going to figure what I need to do in order to make a functional fuel line. Once the car runs I will swap the RF brake rotor between the 77 & 80, as well as install the transmission mount bolts, exhaust, and tires from the 77. All goes according to plan it'll be driving tomorrow.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 12, 2016, 07:49:14 AM
I use this stuff to make brake/fuel lines it's the easiest stuff there is to use, it flares easy and it can be bent easy by hand for a final fit. Just about all parts store carry it and it's not expensive either.

http://agscompany.com/product-category/brake-fuel-transmission-lines/poly-armour/ (http://agscompany.com/product-category/brake-fuel-transmission-lines/poly-armour/)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 12, 2016, 07:59:46 AM
Yup that's what I'm using. Just having issues with getting the right bend to it.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 12, 2016, 11:21:58 AM
Well, as long as your close tweak it by hand.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 12, 2016, 11:42:54 AM
Wasn't anywhere close. Unfortunately


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 12, 2016, 11:43:20 AM
Thinking I might get what I can and then use rubber fuel hose to finish it off


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 12, 2016, 07:45:19 PM
The car doesn't want to live. So I got the fuel lines routed, connected the vacuum lines, and installed the battery but no luck. Found a bad ground. Also charged up the battery. Cranked but no fire. Found out I forgot to install the rotor button. Got it installed and the car backfired immediately through the carb. Scared the tar out of me since the last time it happened I had a fire on my hands. I got to admit I am a little more paranoid than some might be but after the fire I don't want another.

I'm going to rotate the engine to TDC to see if it's out of time and will also pull the plugs if needed.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 12, 2016, 10:05:00 PM
The engine runs!!!!!! Turns out the engine was 90 degrees out of time. The engine ran great before so I knew it was fine mechanically so I rotated it by hand and found instead of firing on #1 it was #3. The car didn't want to stay running but it was also running out of gas. I set a goal to get her running today and I met it. Tomorrow I will put gas in her, change the RF brake rotor, hook up the exhaust, top off the fluids, and hopefully drive her around the corner.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on October 13, 2016, 12:15:03 AM

This car I bought cuz it was a running, driving car with what I thought was a good body, and no rust underneath. I somehow missed a lot underneath and are not happy with myself.

Bottom line is I made a mistake with this car but I will do what I can do to save it. Will I keep it? I don't know. I feel to keep a car I need to have a feeling about it, and it's not there. For granted I had the fire a week after buying it and have yet to drive it but only time will tell after I get the car running and driving.

Matt, are you sure we aren't related?
I did the exact same thing with my Ranchero. Same issues, lots and lots of rust, apparently I knew some was there from reading my old posts, but no way no how did I realize just how bad it was. I think I have built in blinders for some cars.

At least  you are about at the driving stage with this one.

Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 13, 2016, 12:28:40 AM

At least  you are about at the driving stage with this one.



And THAT is a major accomplishment!  Here's to a successful trip around the corner!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 13, 2016, 07:56:42 AM
Oh well, start over, just like I do, that's why I buy the stuff by the rolls, LOL..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 13, 2016, 12:36:36 PM
No start still. Found the car is not getting gas to the carb. I've replaced the fuel hoses, and fuel lines but the pump won't put out. It's a different pump than the engine had since the one that was on the engine broke when I installed the line. Replacement seems to not be working. The engine ran like a champ when in the 77 so I know the intermediate shaft was good. Now replacing the pump to see what happens.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 13, 2016, 10:15:06 PM
Pulled the pump off and it was bad. The plunger inside did not function, so no fuel pressure. New pump fixed that problem but new issue. Still no start. I'd pump the pedal and see it barely squirting from one nozzle, and not at all from the other. So knowing the engine ran when it was in the 77 I took the 77's carb and installed it. Took a few squirts of starter fluid  but the car finally ran and stayed running. I couldn't run it too long since it doesn't have any coolant or exhaust but was nice to hear it run. Tomorrow I will install the exhaust from the 77, as well as add coolant so I can set and adjust the timing since I changed the distributor. There were no fuel leaks from what I could tell so it's somewhat mission accomplished.

The brakes need gone through before I even consider driving this car. I knew the RF rotor was bad, but found a bad RF caliper, and brake hose as well. I now need to replace it, and will also be replacing the LF hose. Both were done in 2009 on the 77 so they are good.

I also installed the side marker bulbs from the 77, and will also be seeing if a bad bulb is causing no right tail light. When I say no light, I of course mean the bulb does not function. Tomorrow I will see what I can do about finishing the RF brake assembly, fixing the right tail light, and possibly installing the Kraco radio I have. The Clarion is the one I want in the car but the Kraco was already wired & just needs finished to work. I will worry about swapping later once I'm sure the car runs & drives.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 14, 2016, 01:42:15 AM
Hey, you got her running!!!  Way to go!!!  Smart to make sure she can stop before you make that trip around the corner; definitely don't need an accident at this point!  Keep up the good work - you're almost there!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 14, 2016, 07:12:42 AM
Thanks Dwayne. I'm thrilled. I had a good pedal before so I know there was no air in the system but there sure is now since I had the caliper fail when I tried to push the piston back in the bore. I will hold on to the old one so when I get a replacement it will go right to the parts store as a core, and then will keep the old 77 caliper as a spare.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 14, 2016, 07:26:14 AM
Glad to hear it's running, keep it up you're just about there. 8) 8)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 14, 2016, 07:30:11 AM
Thanks, me too. It'll be easier to run once the exhaust is on the car so for one the garage won't fill up with exhaust, but two the car won't be so loud. That'll be the easy part. the hard part will be pulling it off the 77 in one piece, then transferring it to the 80. The exhaust on the 80 was some rigged up welded up nightmare that was cut & spliced & crimped I really don't know how it ran decent. Hard to breath with crushed lungs. and the exhaust was so bent I'd think it would have been hard to flow
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 14, 2016, 07:36:38 AM
I hear ya, I've bought vehicles before with a pipe nightmare with anything from flex pipe to copper tubing, and hung with bailing wire, lol..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 15, 2016, 06:02:38 PM
Here is an update that I am glad to do. The car is running and very smooth. I set the ignition timing and the car idles flawlessly at 800rpm. It actually starts up easier than my 2004 Impala. https://vimeo.com/187495577 (https://vimeo.com/187495577)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 15, 2016, 06:09:01 PM

I also repacked the RF wheel bearing and got the caliper slide greased up so it won't stick like the other one did. Brake hoses installed up front, and went to install a new hose at the rear when I saw a nice surprise. The hose is in great shape. It's actually a newer hose, and was probably replaced in 2008 when the previous owner had it last running. I also noticed the rear line was replaced as well so it's good to go. I will bleed the brakes all around with fresh fluid to insure I have no issues stopping. Tomorrow the brakes will be bled, tires installed and air added as needed, transmission fluid, power steering fluid, and coolant topped off as needed, and will then take the car for the first drive in almost 5 years. I do also need to reconnect the speedometer cable, as it did become disconnected from the back accidentally. Feels so good to know the car will be moving under her own power, and runs as well as she does.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 15, 2016, 06:19:43 PM
I'm going to be out of town all day tomorrow but will be sure and check the site when I get back tomorrow night.  I'm excited so I KNOW you must be!  Hope everything goes okay!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 15, 2016, 06:52:44 PM
Thanks! I'm sure it will. Checked for fluid leaks and none from what I can tell. When I first tried to run the car the timing was so retarded it wouldn't stay running. Loosened the distributor and tried to set it but found I needed to pull the distributor to get more advance to hit the 17 degrees BTDC needed according to the sticker on the hood. I will get more pwer steering fluid to fill the reservoir since the 1.5 bottles I had wasn't enough. It's a bit whiney. Once I bleed the brakes I can run the transmission through the gears so I can check and top off the transmission as needed.

The car does need a new transmission pan gasket since it shows signs of leaking but I'll order that from Rockauto once I'm sure the rest of the car is fine.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 16, 2016, 03:27:42 PM
I will let the video do the talking for me. https://vimeo.com/187570992 (https://vimeo.com/187570992)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 16, 2016, 07:53:05 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161017/a3a082a40bc72656e9b51603f285d28f.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161017/d6921fc960f7a77aa208c5fdf01f55ec.jpg)

Before and after a bath. I need air in the tires and also longer valve stems in them as well. The wheel covers are from a 1984-85 Ford Tempo. Not correct for the car but I like them. Looks good with the white walls.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: PintoMan1 on October 16, 2016, 08:05:42 PM

Again, Matt job well done. looks good, sounds good too. looks like you are well on your way to having a good driver. just a few more details and your good. I like the hub caps you have on it too, goes good with the white walls.


Glen
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 16, 2016, 08:46:44 PM
Again, Matt job well done. looks good, sounds good too. looks like you are well on your way to having a good driver. just a few more details and your good. I like the hub caps you have on it too, goes good with the white walls.


Glen

Thanks Glen. I bought them a couple years ago off ebay for $12 for all 4. I do need to get new valve stems on the tires next weekend hopefully. It was a pain to get her on the road today. Planned on an easy fix for the front brakes, then bleed all 4 wheels. Nope, didn't happen. Bled the fronts until I got clean fluid out of both calipers. RF caliper was from the 77 due to a seized RF caliper found when replacing the RF rotor which was also from the 77. I go to the rears to bleed them and got the LR wheel bled until clean fluid came out but the RR would not bleed. I removed the bleeder screw but no luck. Before I drive the car on any distances I will be replacing it with the RR wheel cylinder from the 77. The RR brake stops but I want to be sure it's good. I put in fluids and when I shifted the car in drive it rotated but when I put in park it made a ton of noise. I feared transmission problems.

 I don't know what prompted me to but I looked outside the car and hit the brake but the LR wheel would not stop. Noise found. the transmission not being happy when putting in park due to still spinning.  Took the wheel and drum off the car and saw the LR shoes were shot. Heat cracked bigtime. Replaced the shoes thinking they weren't grabbing due to being glazed over and still wouldn't stop. Thought maybe there was still air in the RR so I was going to re-bleed them. Last minute I decided to install the wheel cylinder from the 77 since I already took the shoes and hardware. Sure enough that was the right call. The old cylinder was rusted solid. Bled the brake, put on the wheel and perfection. The car stops on a dime.

Next weekend I will be replacing the rear shocks with a pair I bought for the 77 but never installed. I will then feel better about driving the car. With the beyond shot shocks on the rear it is all over the road. I've driven the car for about 3-5 miles today so if it had any fuel leaks I'd know by now. I think it might have a slight drip on the oil pan but the oil pan wasn't perfect and had a slight leak before when it was in the 77. I might check it out eventually but for now not going to worry about it.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 16, 2016, 10:22:55 PM

Thought it would be nice to see a before and after of the car, as well as the engine. The pics were 5 years ago so just as a refresher...
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 16, 2016, 10:26:04 PM
Sounds like this will be a real cool ride, looking forward to seeing it finished..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 16, 2016, 10:38:57 PM
Now the engine compartment
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 16, 2016, 10:40:59 PM
Around the corner... and beyond!!!  Way to go, Matt!  Congratulation s!!!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 16, 2016, 10:45:16 PM
Looks great, keep it up..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 16, 2016, 10:47:06 PM
I love whitewalls on a Pinto!!!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 16, 2016, 10:52:14 PM
I love whitewalls on a Pinto!!!


Dwayne :)

Those are actually  the tires I got from the 77. The OE wheels for the 80 are the alloys, which will be refinished before I even consider mounting tires on them. For steel wheel and hubcaps I like the whitewall look. The spare tire I have is actually a white wall but facing in so I'm going to have it reversed, just in case I have a flat, and need to have the spare on.

10/29 there is a car show a few miles from me, and I will be going to it, as well as a car show in Springfield, Ohio 11/11. Don't see why the car won't go to that either. I still need to install a radio, fix the bad right speaker, and maybe replace the seat belts with the ones I got from a 1986 Tempo so the car will be better. Hopefully those will work. Worse case I'll take the black ones from the 77 and use them but I'd rather go with newer blue seatbelts.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 17, 2016, 02:54:54 PM
It will be exciting to take it to a car show after all this time! 


I bought new whitewalls online for my Pinto - they sure gave it that "fresh out of the factory" look!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 18, 2016, 08:03:57 AM
It will be exciting to take it to a car show after all this time! 


I bought new whitewalls online for my Pinto - they sure gave it that "fresh out of the factory" look!


Dwayne :)
I lucked out in 2011. Only thing is I doubt I'll get full life out of these since they haven't been driven on. How much did they cost you? I know 13s are getting harder to get in the tire stores.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 18, 2016, 08:09:18 AM
So I didn't do anything to the car last night. It was a rough day & just didn't give a crap about much. Today after the gym I plan to pull the choke assembly off the 80 carb & mount it to the one on the car. Right now the choke isn't hooked up so I know cold weather driving won't be too good & noticed the choke valve isn't opening so I think it's not right anyway. I am also going to see about hooking up the Clarion stereo. Think it'll be easier than the Kraco I have. Only thing is I need to get a tap for the fuse panel so I can have the memory preset working. Only thing is finding the tap.

I also need to replace some blown fuses in the fuse box, including the radio fuse which blew the other day when on accident the ground wire touched the hot wire & popped it. Instant short to ground. At least I know the fuses did the job. If all goes according to plan I'll be driving the car to work starting next week. The Impala isn't doing to well. Mr Leaky Leak is getting worse & has developed a noise in the front end.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 18, 2016, 08:12:19 AM
Gosh... I don't remember exactly.  I bought five (figured I may as well have a matching spare) and I'm thinking they were about $350, give or take a little. That was in April or May of this year. 


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 18, 2016, 08:12:53 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161019/f94e752bad2462d203a973a4286da79c.jpg) First fill up in who knows how long. Not even 91k on the clock, although the engine has about 130k on the clock. Ran great on the freeway. Didn't miss a beat. And  the more I drive it the better it handles even with rusted out shocks
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 18, 2016, 09:57:49 PM
Sounds like a winner to me!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 19, 2016, 07:51:14 AM
Sounds like a winner to me!


Dwayne :)
I agree..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 19, 2016, 08:04:32 AM
Thanks guys. Since she did good on that test I am taking her on the final test tonight and that is driving the car to Plain City on the exact route I took to buy the car in 2012. That'll be the real test.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 19, 2016, 10:48:36 AM
Good luck and be safe..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 19, 2016, 11:20:12 AM
Thanks and sure will be. I am going to place a good spare tire in the car with my jack just in case and take the drive. The steering feels good, brakes solid, transmission shifting smoothly so no reason she won't do good. The headlights are actually brighter than my Impala and all other lights work. Did notice at first the wiper switch was iffy but once used a few times it never stopped working.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 19, 2016, 02:51:51 PM
A few days late, but well meant congratulation s from far away Europe on getting your Pinto on the road!
Nothing like getting an old machine functioning again, and having it do what it's supposed to do.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on October 19, 2016, 05:20:16 PM
Way to go Matt!
Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 19, 2016, 09:32:16 PM
Just got done with a 69 mile round trip and the only issue is an occasional speedometer issue probably due to an old cable, and wipers that kept quitting. I filled up and got almost 24 mpg. That is accurate for that engine and carb set up. The same engine and carb got about that in the 77.  The maiden voyage was to Plain City Ohio. Right past where she broke down in 2012. Mission accomplished


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on October 19, 2016, 10:47:59 PM
Did you stop at that location, shut the car off, and see if it restarted? :-)
Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 19, 2016, 10:50:17 PM
Nope. The death in 2012 was a blown left front tire and fuel leak. It still ran, just couldn't drive or run safely. I did however make a stop on the way home. Needed to go to the store and pick up dinner as well as some glass fuses so I can get a working radio installed


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 19, 2016, 11:14:06 PM
Just got done with a 69 mile round trip and the only issue is an occasional speedometer issue probably due to an old cable, and wipers that kept quitting. I filled up and got almost 24 mpg. That is accurate for that engine and carb set up. The same engine and carb got about that in the 77.  The maiden voyage was to Plain City Ohio. Right past where she broke down in 2012. Mission accomplished



Congratulation s!!!

Dwayne :) :) :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 20, 2016, 08:12:00 AM
Congrats on a successful trip.. 8) 8)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 20, 2016, 08:15:28 AM
Thanks! I'm thrilled about it. Tonight I'm going to install the radio after I get done at the gym, and tomorrow I will be driving it instead of my Impala to work. That'll give me a chance to see whether or not the exhaust is too low, which is a possibility since it was repaired temporarily with flex pipe. I hate using that stuff but it beats not having an exhaust at all. Hopefully it doesn't rain tomorrow since my wipers are iffy at best until I get the motor swap done. I figure I will pull off the old one, clean it up & put it back together. See if maybe it just had some rust or corrosion on the contacts in the motor since it works but not always
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on October 20, 2016, 12:34:30 PM
at least the switch is easy to get too, I often see when you do not use some things for a long time you have to wake them up using them more often ,

Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 20, 2016, 01:11:01 PM
at least the switch is easy to get too, I often see when you do not use some things for a long time you have to wake them up using them more often ,
Exactly my thinking. I think it is ok but I will be pulling it anyway since the 77 had a wiper delay from a truck I installed so it was planned to be installed on the 80.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 20, 2016, 10:33:59 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/8e3752879f1b2a94c23396fc4d860f18.jpg) cleaned out the car some and installed this radio. The right front speaker wiring was spliced in a couple different places but it still doesn't work. Problem inside the door. For now I have another speaker on the floor so at least I get stereo sound.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 21, 2016, 08:53:34 AM
Drove the car to work today. I had some bad rattling from the driver door previously due to missing bushings on the striker bolt so as a temporary repair I put tape on it. No rattle on the drive. I also replaced the lighter in the car. It worked but when I'd plug in a phone it wouldn't work. Turns out the socket was rusted at the back contact. One from the 77 did the trick. I did find out the exhaust on the car is a little low so I will be fixing that issue when I install the exhaust from the 77 which will include a new muffler that I bought five years ago and never installed, as well as a nos exhaust hanger for the rear. Steering feels good and the heat is fair.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 21, 2016, 10:16:50 PM
Heat feeling better but decided to pop the hood to check everything out. Good thing I did. I forgot a hose clamp on the thermostat to heater hose. Slight coolant loss but not too bad. That explains the scent I had after I parked the car. Drove about 100 miles if not more since fixing her. She is doing very well so far.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 22, 2016, 11:21:37 AM
Her first car show. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161022/b5306142ec38d757cf94d16a593c7126.jpg)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 22, 2016, 11:33:56 AM
A true accomplishment!!!  Hope you had lots of fun!!!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 22, 2016, 11:42:34 AM
Thanks I am


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 23, 2016, 07:53:40 AM
Congrats, it looks great..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 23, 2016, 02:46:37 PM
Thanks. It runs pretty good although I found the parking brake is junk. Cable is slightly stuck. Gonna try to free it but might have to cut the cable. Don't want to though since it is better than nothing for an emergency


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 24, 2016, 07:23:36 AM
A little lubrication probably free it up..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 24, 2016, 07:38:43 AM
I might try it but it was rusted pretty bad on the outside of it so it's probably just gone. Especially with the rust all over the car.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 24, 2016, 10:17:47 AM
In that case may as well just put a new cable in.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 26, 2016, 09:13:35 AM
The car is running and driving good although the gas gauge is inaccurate. It showed between 1/8 and empty but when I put in 6 gallons it went above 3/4. Think the float might be bad. Will check into it later. Also not sure about the choke. The choke valve wasn't open too much so it may be too rich at full temp. Will pull the plugs to see how they look and go from there. Also need to fix a bad headlight connection since the passenger side keeps staying out. New plug is at my dads and will get soldered on.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 26, 2016, 09:14:36 AM
I also need four new tires as all are cracking. Don't want to drive it but the Impala has a bad noise from the front and possibly about to drop a control arm


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on October 26, 2016, 09:32:18 AM
Sounds like the sending unit is getting tired, might try lubricating all the choke linkage making sure it all moves freely and take off the cover and check for crud then readjust, that can make a difference.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 26, 2016, 09:38:18 AM
Yeah I pulled the air cleaner cover off on the side of the road after it came off and hit the alt pulley. So at the gas station I popped the hood and it's moving freely. I will try to readjust it to 80 specs when I get home since I gotta swap choke coils anyway.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 26, 2016, 09:45:57 AM
Now that all the big stuff is done, you can relax and have fun with the little details!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 26, 2016, 09:47:23 AM
Yup. Although she does need new tie rods and ball joints to align right. The toe is out and the tie rod is rusted on the passenger side. Suspension is solid but is 36 years old so will need gone through


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 27, 2016, 09:36:06 PM
Sortof had a mechanical failure today. After having a trying day at work and having issues with my cat I go to the gym & get out of the car. I smelled gas. I look underneath to see the left rear shock soaked in gas. The compression fitting on the fuel line failed & was leaking. I will do a temporary repair to it so I can get new tires installed this weekend, and after I will get the lines from the 77 and put them on, if they aren't bad either.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 29, 2016, 07:32:39 AM
Getting five new tires on the car. Four plus the spare since it is dry rotted and showing micro cracks around the bead. Gotta be sure she is safe for the road. Car show today but Ohio State football at the same time so will skip that car show and go to one that is going on tomorrow at 10:30 am. I am also replacing the shocks on the rear today with newer units so she will drive smoother.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 29, 2016, 10:40:58 AM
Got the fuel leak fixed. Turns out when I installed the compression fitting I forgot the barrel on one end. New fitting and all is well. Also got all five tires replaced. They didn't have white walls but safe tires are more important. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/2625d22da1c0a04bd05182b0ff88394a.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/924c783762c5fc72236bd4585aec8cb1.jpg)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 29, 2016, 05:16:58 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161029/4b1d3b72ef53c6e841e5b1da51a2b940.jpg) both old rear shocks and last new to car shocks. Other is already on the car.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 30, 2016, 12:04:25 PM
Well, there's an obvious difference!  That, along with the new tires, should make her drive better!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 30, 2016, 12:22:25 PM
Drove her to a car show. Hit 65 and not a shake at all (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161030/c23e60e8ea64f76ba32b9b265ce4aaf3.jpg)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 30, 2016, 12:34:19 PM
 ;D WAY TO GO!!! ;D


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 31, 2016, 03:58:03 PM
So I ran into another problem. The left front caliper is locking up. Gotta replace it before I drive the car any more. Another car show Saturday and will also be pulling the sending unit to check it out. I put in $5 and it jumped up to over half tank but was below 1/4 tank close to empty.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 01, 2016, 11:11:58 PM
Caliper replaced so it's not locking up but another issue. This with the left rear. It is locking up which is causing the rear to kick out. Think it's just over adjusted causing the shoes to grab too quickly. We will see if an adjustment helps.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on November 02, 2016, 07:34:46 AM
Drove her to a car show. Hit 65 and not a shake at all (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161030/c23e60e8ea64f76ba32b9b265ce4aaf3.jpg)


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Awesome..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 03, 2016, 12:57:40 PM
The car is a trainwreck. I replaced the bad left front caliper only to have the left rear lock up. Shoes wouldn't back off the drum and found the leading shoe was in place of the trailing shoe. Took them off to find a leaky wheel cylinder. I just installed it two weeks ago from the 77. This car hates moving.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 03, 2016, 09:40:44 PM
Well, once again the car is stopping. I installed a brand new wheel cylinder on the left rear and readjusted the shoes. Took her for a test drive and at first they did grab but there may have been some residual brake clean on the shoes and drum. Only locked up twice and was very little the second time. The car no longer pulls when stopping and has a good solid pedal. This weekend I am going to get the right rear addressed with the newer wheel cylinder from the 77 and those new shoes. They were last installed in 2012 so should be good... in theory. I thought the left rear wheel cylinder was good and it lasted all of two weeks before failing. Driving the car to work tomorrow so we'll see what happens.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on November 03, 2016, 09:49:56 PM
Just be careful driving, personally I would freshen up the whole system with new parts for peace of mind..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 03, 2016, 09:53:21 PM
Just be careful driving, personally I would freshen up the whole system with new parts for peace of mind..
Both front calipers have been replaced, as have the hoses. Fresh fluid had been put in the master cylinder and the car had a good solid pedal. It should be ok until Saturday when I swap wheel cylinders on the right rear. If I didn't know for sure the age of the right rear cylinder from the 77 I wouldn't use it but know it was replaced in June 2012 when dad and I had a bad brake line and thought it was the wheel cylinder.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on November 04, 2016, 07:48:09 AM
Well, like I said just be careful, after all it's 4 years old already so who knows??..
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Post by: r4pinto on November 04, 2016, 07:54:45 AM
Yup I know what you mean. First thing I am going to do is inspect it for signs of leakage to be sure. Don't want or need a repeat. The one on the car is good but old and won't bleed which is why I am replacing it. Very solid pedal so no air but rather be sure it's good.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 06, 2016, 07:37:17 PM
Pulled the wheel off the 77 expecting to be able to grab the brake shoes and wheel cylinder. NOPE!!! Brake shoes coated in greasy grime. Wheel cylinder didn't even have bolts in the back so it wasn't secured to the backing plate. Cylinder looked ok on the outside but peeled back the boot & slight signs of leakage. Removed the piston & it had some rust as well. I will be buying a new wheel cylinder and set of new shoes. Hopefully I can find them at a lower price than I am seeing. At least I was able to save the hardware since it was replaced when I bought the 77.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on November 06, 2016, 07:54:36 PM
I think, in the long run, you won't regret buying new.  I know prices can be somewhat daunting at times, but you can't really put a price tag on safety.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 06, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
Yeah, I know you're right about it. Had it inspected ok I would have installed it. But since I saw minimal seepage I won't chance it. In the mean time the car does stop fine. The brakes on the car are ok, just older on the right rear. Good solid pedal and fresh fluid is hopefully a good combination
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 06, 2016, 10:58:41 PM

So I did forget to mention... I installed the new passenger seat buckle. Like the driver seat buckle they are a little shorter but in much better shape than the original seat belt buckles. The originals were all faded and the plastic cover was all broke and nasty. When I did that I found something hiding under the seat. A pay stub for the person that owned it prior to the idiot I bought the car off of, as well as a windshield card. To be exact it is a card that you stick in the window for a car show. I am guessing it was from 2001 since the pay stub from Kroger was also with it. I tried to look up the person on facebook but they aren't on there. I figured if I could locate them I could get some info on the car since they owned it. Like find out why holes were drilled in to the dash and what not.


It's pretty cool to see someone else had taken this car to car shows in 2001, and has got me thinking. May be a bit crazy but I am going to find out the date of that same car show for 2017 and take it there.
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Post by: r4pinto on November 06, 2016, 11:21:29 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161107/31e8238e6c26100a3fa3be532e2c7635.jpg)makes me wonder what I will find next.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on November 06, 2016, 11:46:01 PM
It's a shame it wasn't Linda Lovelace... then you'd have a really good story to go with your Pinto!!!


Dwayne ;D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Reeves1 on November 07, 2016, 06:37:31 AM
Even new vehicles have brake troubles.

My 2007 F-350 had the rear calipers locked twice, before selling it with 165,000 KM on it.

My 2012 has done it twice, before it had 100,000 KM on it.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on November 07, 2016, 06:42:48 AM
It's a shame it wasn't Linda Lovelace... then you'd have a really good story to go with your Pinto!!!


Dwayne ;D
That would have made it a REAL classic then, lol..
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Post by: 74 PintoWagon on November 07, 2016, 06:46:57 AM
Even new vehicles have brake troubles.

My 2007 F-350 had the rear calipers locked twice, before selling it with 165,000 KM on it.

My 2012 has done it twice, before it had 100,000 KM on it.
That goes for a lot lot things these days, just because it's new don't always mean it's good.
Title: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 07, 2016, 07:35:51 AM
It's a shame it wasn't Linda Lovelace... then you'd have a really good story to go with your Pinto!!!


Dwayne ;D
I had to look her up. If that was the case I'd exploit it and probably be able to get a decent buck out of the car. Well maybe not but I'd try . I did find out she was born in 1984 which would make her about 16 in 2001. Trying to locate the previous owner and dob is only thing I could locate. Oh well woulda been cool to talk to a previous owner that took the car to a car show before pintos were considered cool.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on November 07, 2016, 04:38:39 PM
I had to look her up.
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LOL  -  I should have known I was dating myself with that remark!  I keep forgetting how much younger than me you are. ;D   
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 07, 2016, 04:39:41 PM
Hahaha I do that all the time at work. Last week I mentioned Cher and someone didn't know the song "if I could turn back time"


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on November 07, 2016, 04:55:39 PM
Google that name. You will probably get tons of possibilities, but you may find her.
Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 07, 2016, 04:56:17 PM
I did. No luck other than her DOB and address


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 10, 2016, 02:12:55 PM
Parked again. Left rear locked up again. Yesterday I almost hit someone when I had to stop quick off the freeway due to the left rear locking up. I am going to cut the brake cable so it doesn't seize again and will replace it when I have the cash. When I got to work I could smell burning brakes at the left rear. I am going to put on new shoes all around and will more than likely need a new drum. It will probably be burned up after the excessive heat. Feeling pretty fed up currently. I am missing a car show Saturday because of the latest brake problems. Can't spend the money on parts since I have to fix my impala so it stops leaking oil.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on November 10, 2016, 06:35:09 PM
Bum deal on missing the car show, but at least you'll know you're safe once it's all done!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 10, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
Unfortunately I don't know that. Brakes are this cars sore spot. I'm having issues with all my cars and am at a breaking point where I've had enough


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on November 10, 2016, 06:38:06 PM
Unfortunately I don't know that. Brakes are this cars sore spot. I'm having issues with all my cars and am at a breaking point where I've had enough


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Yeah, I know... but you've come way too far to give up now!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 10, 2016, 06:46:06 PM
No not giving up. Just parking the thing for a while.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on November 11, 2016, 06:33:14 AM
Sometimes it's good to walk away and do something different, you have a better frame of mind when you come back to it later..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 11, 2016, 08:47:23 AM
Yup it is. Especially since the brake issue isn't on the right rear that hasn't been touched but the left rear that was already fixed with a new wheel cylinder and newer shoes. Gotta buy a new pair for the right rear so the left rear shoes will be replaced as well. More than likely new drums as well since I'm guessing the old ones will be cooked thanks to the left rear issue.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Reeves1 on November 11, 2016, 10:15:34 AM
Had a truck one time. Replaced whole brake system, including E brake cable.
Back brakes did much the same as yours.... turned out the E brake cable was the problem.

Measured up the same as the old OEM one. No idea why it caused a problem. Just put the old one on & was good to go.

May or may not be your problem ?
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 11, 2016, 10:19:37 AM
Probably. Which is why I'm cutting the cable. Don't have the money for a new one and tired of issues with the cable.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 14, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
I've given up the battle for now. I am going to call my insurance company and have the coverage suspended. I will then put it back in storage. I have to pay bills & put money in to my Impala to drive it so the Pinto will have to wait until Spring. Parts needed for brakes:

drums, RR wheel cylinder, shoes, parking brake cables. I just don't feel like dealing with trying to fix something that doesn't want to live at the moment
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on November 15, 2016, 09:08:15 AM
Well, keep in touch and we'll all look forward to a renewal of the project in Spring 2017!!!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on December 28, 2016, 07:30:50 AM
Well today is the last day the Pinto registration is current so I will be putting her in the garage tonight. Not going to register the car until spring and will be suspending the coverage for now and putting comprehensive on it. Until the brake issue is fixed the car cannot be safely driven. Spring time will bring a brake repair, exhaust rework, and transmission service. The pan leaks badly.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Reeves1 on December 28, 2016, 08:26:59 AM
Make sure to replace the dip stick tube O ring. Seen them leak lots.....
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 07, 2017, 09:11:08 AM
I recently parked the car back in the garage. Here she sits for the winter. Insurance suspended with comprehensive put on just in case something happens while stored. I didn't disconnect the battery since it's on its way out anyways. She is hibernating until spring time. When it warms up I may go ahead & have the battery load tested to make sure my thinking is correct. At least she looks much better than when I first parked her in the garage. The winter will give me a chance to save up to replace the brake shoes, drums, RR wheel cylinder, and parking brake cables.

When spring comes I want to be able to get all that done and take her to many car shows, including one possibly in Carlisle. I am going to talk to my Dad about that one. I will also replace the front shock absorbers, springs, driver door seal, and hatch seal. I want it to be right for the big unveiling which will be Carlisle. What year is unknown but she will get there some year. At least the fuel system is good and safe after replacing rusted lines and dry rotted hoses before I even tried to start her up.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Cookieboystoys on January 07, 2017, 11:24:54 AM
looking good Matt
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Post by: dga57 on January 07, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
It DOES look good!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on January 07, 2017, 06:59:34 PM
Thanks guys. I'm going to mix some color to match the paint as closely as possible so the original blue is covered up. But that'll be in the spring lol. Mechanical issues first though so she can drive safely.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on January 08, 2017, 06:39:26 AM
Yes indeed, looks real good..
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 11, 2017, 07:31:42 AM
I did a little work on the car. The battery was going on 6 years old and died. So I found one that would work and installed it. Not the right one but at $20 you can't go wrong. The car fired right up with a few pumps of the pedal. Future plans include transmission pan gasket and filter, wheel cylinder for the right rear, shoes all around, parking brake cables, possibly new drums, and new weatherstrippi ng. Found the hatch leaks water badly, and the driver door seal is shot. I also need to install the correct choke coil. The one on the carb is from a 1977 with blade terminal.

With all luck I will be getting her to many car shows this year.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on April 11, 2017, 12:10:41 PM


With all luck I will be getting her to many car shows this year.

I sure hope so, Matt!  Maybe we'll cross paths somewhere along the way!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 16, 2017, 11:08:10 PM
Just went on to Rockauto.com and ordered a new wheel cylinder and set of brake shoes. Shoes are a closeout set of riveted Wagners for $6 plus shipping  and the wheel cylinder was the remaining amount. Total cost of $22 shipped versus about $32 in store. I can then take the drums and have them checked. They are probably out of specs but if they can be turned it will be $9 per drum at O'reily Auto. Next will be replacing the leaking transmission pan gasket.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 20, 2017, 04:44:02 PM
Brake shoes and the wheel cylinder came in today. This weekend I will install them on the car. If all goes well I will take her on a test drive. Remaining parts needed to be a good driver... Transmission pan gasket, wiper motor, door and hatch seal. Not too much.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 22, 2017, 03:51:23 PM
Well, the car is fighting me. Fires right up and runs but choke needs adjusting, as well as the choke coil installed on it. The choke doesn't open currently. I started the car and moved it but noticed the brake pedal went clear to the floor. Was solid before so gotta find out what is wrong. Pretty sure it's the front since it was the rear reservoir that was dry. Installing the new brake shoes as well as the new right rear wheel cylinder. The left rear wheel cylinder was replaced before I drove the car so it is newer. The right front caliper was swapped from the 77, left front caliper brand new, all hoses newer, and no visible leaks. Aggrivated as all
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on April 22, 2017, 07:57:05 PM
Have you replaced any of your brake hoses , or looked at them , I redone my brake system when I had the engine out for overhaul three years ago , replaced all the hoses when I found one that had cracks and was seeping , replaced everything , lubed the parking brake cable too, I do not want a future problems with brakes when I need them when towing my camper , or like a old Chevrolet when the brakes get wet , you hit the brakes and it goes faster , I also flush all of my cars brake system every four years , you would be surprised how dark the fluid gets over time , as for you choke it may just need a clen and lube on the linkage, if your choke coil does not work check the alternator for output , if it good check the wire the plug on the back of it to terminal marked STA ,  or sater , its white with a black stripe , it is hooked straight to the choke coil , that way it only heats up when the engine is running , hope this little info helps , later Blaine
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 22, 2017, 11:04:58 PM
Yeah all the hoses are newer hoses with no cracking. I ended up bleeding the entire system and its holding steady so unsure what happened. As for the choke I never adjusted it when I swapped carburetors. The one on the car was from my old 77. The coil is a different setup than what the 80 has so I need to change out coils.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on April 23, 2017, 06:05:03 AM
Oh well, I did not know you changed the carbs , it is common they stick if they sit up for some time , great you got a hand on it running and stoping , have a good one , later Blaine
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 23, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Oh well, I did not know you changed the carbs , it is common they stick if they sit up for some time , great you got a hand on it running and stoping , have a good one , later Blaine

Thanks. Yeah, the original carb wouldn't even get the car started after I installed the engine from the 77, so I installed the carb from the 77. I spent money rebuilding the carb from the 80 but no luck. It ran great before the fire but after the fire the car wouldn't run when I did the engine swap. Rebuilt the carb after the fire but no go. The choke opened before so just need to adjust it some.

In other news I ordered parts for the car. A new parking brake cable, two drums, and a transmission filter kit. The car has a leaky transmission pan gasket, and while I could probably just use RTV I'm not a fan and would rather do it right. Total cost for all parts is $67 shipped from Rockauto. Love that site. It's keeping my Pinto running. And the collection of magnets I'm getting is an added bonus lol.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 23, 2017, 10:10:49 AM
I probably could leave the parking brake cable for now, but I'm paranoid. In 2011 the 77 Pinto had a blow out on the freeway due to a failed line, and the 80 had the brake issue. I don't want to drive the car without having that fixed. What has me concerned is the dash light didn't come on. I don't know if the bulb is good and will be checking that since it should have come on when the brakes failed on the 80 in my garage. The left drum will be kept as a spare. It has a little more material but is usable in an emergency. The right is junk. The only original parts is the master cylinder and lines. Oh, and the proportioning valve. Hardware was a newer kit from the 77 parts car, wheel cylinders brand new, RF was from the 77, and LF caliper brand new. Pads came from the 77 but were installed on that car in 2006. Hopefully she will drive ok soon.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on April 23, 2017, 02:57:34 PM
Well you have a leg up on it , if the pedal goes to the floor again change the master cylinder,  got a bad one a few years ago and hit the brakes and went down to the floor , pumped a few times and the brakes cam back , after that it would slowly go to the floor , scary,and if you need any carb parts let me know , got a few cores if you want them , I went to EFI a long time ago , later Blaine
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 23, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
Thanks I'll keep that in mind. I thought the same thing of the master cylinder which is what was puzzling. Solid pedal with no dropping which doesn't add up to a master cylinder failure. Only time will tell.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 24, 2017, 06:11:17 AM
Took the wiper motor off the car. Not too hard to get to. For granted if Ford had any brains back then the cowl would have been removable with the wiper motor and transmission linkage mounted outside the car but can't change the past. Took it apart and the motor smelled of burnt electrical. Bits of burned brush material. And by bits I mean chunks. I will end up ordering a new motor for the car. Was going to go after the old one on my parts car but remembered they were a bit jerky most the time so doubt it was good enough to use b


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on April 24, 2017, 10:27:21 AM
When you put the wiper motor back do not put the wiper arms on yet , if you put the linkage on the motor 180 degrees out the rotation of the wiper shaft will reverse and the wiper arm will scratch your cowl to hell when it swings down and not up ,  Ask me how I know  :o
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 24, 2017, 10:28:42 AM
Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to remove the arms


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on April 24, 2017, 10:44:59 AM
Its just the arm on the motor on the motor itself , its so easy to install the arm in the wrong way .
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 27, 2017, 06:33:40 PM
Got some packages from Rockauto. Brake drums, parking brake cable, and transmission gasket with filter. Repairs to happen this weekend.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on April 28, 2017, 01:37:46 AM
Sounds like you have your weekend all planned out, Matt.  Work safe!!!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 28, 2017, 07:00:40 AM
Sounds like you have your weekend all planned out, Matt.  Work safe!!!

Dwayne :)
I sure will Dwayne. Four jack stands supporting the car. That way I know she won't fall.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on April 28, 2017, 08:52:11 AM
The brake cable , is that a replaceiment or a universal one , and let us know how well it fits ,  thanks ,  Blaine
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Post by: r4pinto on April 28, 2017, 08:59:44 AM
The brake cable , is that a replaceiment or a universal one , and let us know how well it fits ,  thanks ,  Blaine
Supposed to be a replacement but we shall see. I'll let you guys know how it fits.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 30, 2017, 04:59:38 PM
The parking brake cable fit good. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170430/d6e783ef8540995a06e8aa1f5c15d9c3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170430/f0515a8e20b2afa50f00adf50ec3627a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170430/6bcd2788b096f9776120e9bc8e6ab251.jpg)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 30, 2017, 05:02:07 PM
Part number pioneer. Ca5207. At first it seemed the housing was short but when I took it off and put back on it was fine. Nice to know the 80 will stop perfectly. Had an incident with the left rear wheel cylinder so now I need to replace it but once I replace it the car will be good to stop.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on April 30, 2017, 08:31:32 PM
Great that it fits , going to Order one for a spare just in case , got two pintos that I plan on keeping for life and do not want the hassle later if I need one , other parts as well like wheel cylinders , front calipers extra brake hoses , Ball joints etc , i keep also just in case , if it last another forty years I will be 😊

Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on April 30, 2017, 08:57:26 PM
Today I jacked up the car and got cracking. Got the transmission filter and gasket done, as well as the parking brake cable. I was going to take care of the drums but had a wheel cylinder blow out on the left rear. Not sure why but now need a new wheel cylinder to replace the one I replaced in November.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on April 30, 2017, 09:15:49 PM
When you took it apart back then did you change the shoes ? , a long time ago I had a friend of mine do a rear brake job on his mustang , after about a week the brakes did some odd things , have to pump them up for them to work and later found out he by accident swapped the adjusters left to right and right to left , instead of self adjusting they were backing themselves off untel one of the whelk cylinders popped off one end , just check to make sure , they are marked on the ends left and right , hope this help you figure this out , Blaine
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on May 01, 2017, 06:50:11 AM
When you took it apart back then did you change the shoes ? , a long time ago I had a friend of mine do a rear brake job on his mustang , after about a week the brakes did some odd things , have to pump them up for them to work and later found out he by accident swapped the adjusters left to right and right to left , instead of self adjusting they were backing themselves off untel one of the whelk cylinders popped off one end , just check to make sure , they are marked on the ends left and right , hope this help you figure this out , Blaine
No the issue is the whee cylinder blew apart when I was putting the left rear back together. Don't know why it did that but it did so now I have to replace a wheel cylinder I did in November. It was fine before so dunno. As for the shoes they had all of .5 miles on them.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on May 01, 2017, 06:56:26 AM
Wow , it blew apart , now that is what I call a huge defect, those suppose to take a ton of pressure, make sure the box did not say made in China ,
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Post by: r4pinto on May 01, 2017, 06:57:45 AM
Wow , it blew apart , now that is what I call a huge defect, those suppose to take a ton of pressure, make sure the box did not say made in China ,
It was actually an AutoZone one so probably was . I thought about putting it back together and bleeding it but my concern is if it blew apart that easy then it may be damaged. I don't play around with brakes


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on May 08, 2017, 10:47:30 PM
Bought a new wheel cylinder from Autozone, and reinstalled the shoes, then adjusted the brakes. At first it was dragging but noticed the adjuster was all the way backed off, so I backed off the parking brake cable adjuster. That was the ticket. Once I did that the adjustment was perfect. I also found a can of medium blue vinyl/fabric paint in the garage. The carpet is badly faded so for now I will use that paint to make it look better. Doesn't look bad in the spots I sprayed.

I also found in theory an early model 3 door Focus door seal will work for the hatch so I bought one off eBay for $15, as well as ordered a wiper motor.

I need to add transmission fluid, as well as charge the battery. I left the passenger door open too much when trying to bleed the brakes it drained the battery. 

Once the wiper motor comes in I will hook it up and hopefully be with functional wipers for the first time since I bought the car in 2013.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on May 09, 2017, 08:28:47 PM
Installed the replacement motor and it doesn't work. Thought to myself... perhaps the switch acted up. So I took the intermittent switch  setup from the 77 and installed it. Didn't fix the issue. The switch turned on the governor but no working motor. Seems I got a defective motor. Ordered a replacement from Oreilly auto parts and it'll be in Thursday. In addition I found the moment you turn the key on the fuse for the warning lights on the instrument cluster blows. I didn't have any other 14 amp fuses so I couldn't further diagnose the issue. It may be the seatbelt buckle, may be the parking brake switch, or may be a wire. Since I had to pull the instrument cluster to swap switches I will also change the speedo cable. The speedo bounced a little, and had the speedo cable from the 77 which I already replaced. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on May 13, 2017, 06:21:22 PM
Got the replacement motor and went ahead and ran a wire to ground from the motor. It worked off the car so now I just need to install it. Today I was working on my Dad's Grand Prix all day so I didn't have a chance to work on it. I did go ahead and get a pack of 14 amp fuses so I can diagnose the electrical issue. I am going to start by unplugging both the emergency brake light and the seat belt buckle. I will work on isolating the issue once the fuse doesn't blow
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on May 13, 2017, 08:34:51 PM

speaking as an electronic tech, that is normally the best way to troubleshoot something. Isolate it to the circuit, then the branch of the circuit, and then down to the actual fault.
Unless you can just see something obvious. :-)
Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on May 20, 2017, 09:34:29 AM
speaking as an electronic tech, that is normally the best way to troubleshoot something. Isolate it to the circuit, then the branch of the circuit, and then down to the actual fault.
Unless you can just see something obvious. :-)
Russ
You know it. I love diagnosing auto electrical because I'm good at it. Give me a wiring schematic, digital multimeter, 12 volt test light, and I am a happy camper. One of the first purchases for the car when I bought it in 2013 was the factory Ford Pinto electrical book. It's served me well.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on May 20, 2017, 09:44:23 AM
So I haven't been able to work on the car due to an evil Grand Prix called Christine 3, but I did get a new hatch gasket by  ordering a door seal from a 3 door Focus. Too short but the bulb looks more like the Pinto one, so for now what I will do is use the Focus seal at the top and the existing seal elsewhere. The top was leaking due to wrong seal, so hopefully it'll work  for now. Contrary to popular belief a single Focus 3 door seal WILL NOT work. I also decided while the car is in the air I will be replacing the loose universal joints. They were a bit floppy and one of the caps fell off. No needles fell out which made me concerned of their condition. Rockauto here I come.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on June 14, 2017, 08:50:20 PM
Hey, Matt.

Any updates?

Hope all is going well.

Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 14, 2017, 08:53:00 PM
Unfortunately I haven't been able to even touch the car. Life got in the way in the form of my Dad's Grand Prix that was at my house for three weeks, my Malibu which needed brakes, a trip to Dover Delaware, and a damaged deck on the house. I hope to get back to work on the car soon but at the time it's unknown when that will happen


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 14, 2017, 07:31:51 AM
So I popped the lid on the master cylinder this morning and the fluid is low. The car has been sitting on jack stands and no sign of leaking at any wheels. I bled the brakes a couple months ago so I will be getting a master cylinder for the car. That's getting done this weekend. Only old hydraulic part is the right front caliper and that was a spare from my 77. Also the metal lines as well. No sign of leaking though. Convinced it's the master cylinder. In stock at AutoZone for $19 so I will get it today.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on July 14, 2017, 11:26:43 AM
Convinced it's the master cylinder. In stock at AutoZone for $19 so I will get it today.


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Sounds like a plan!  Happy wrenching!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 21, 2017, 06:48:15 AM
So last week I didn't get the master cylinder due to costs but getting it this weekend. I have my hotel booked for the Ohio Pinto/Maverick meet so it's on. List of the following will get done, starting this weekend:

Brake master cylinder, install new speaker in passenger door, put speaker grills back on doors, paint carpet, install new hatch seal, install u-joints, speedometer cable, and transmission fluid, find short that keeps blowing fuses, re-install dash cluster, install wiper motor & switch.

Not too much to do, but enough. Got a month to do it & I am on vacation the week of the car show, so I should be OK. This will be the car's first car show of the year & want her to do well.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on July 22, 2017, 08:42:28 AM


Not too much to do, but enough. Got a month to do it & I am on vacation the week of the car show, so I should be OK. This will be the car's first car show of the year & want her to do well.

I think you should be fine, time-wise... and I'm sure she'll do well!

Dwayne
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 22, 2017, 08:52:02 AM
As long as my mechanical brain doesn't think... "While I am at it let's do this as well  ;D " Master cylinder has been ordered on the car. The rest of the brakes are good and pedal is solid but so was the pedal on a 1994 Ford Taurus which had bottles of brake fluid in the back for the same reason. My dad did not like that car but it got him to work.. Until the body rusted out, transmission started to fail for the second time, engine leaked oil all over the place, electrical gremlins took over, and lost coolant from time to time.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 22, 2017, 08:57:43 AM
In another subject I called O'reilly auto parts and they don't have it but can have the master cylinder by 11am eastern. Brake fluid is brake fluid so I might go to Dollar Tree to get a couple bottles of Dot3 for a buck each. Still odd the car has a Honda Civic battery in it but as long as it is still good I will be a happy camper lol.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 22, 2017, 12:00:04 PM
Got the master cylinder. It's been leaking for a while apparently. Crystallized brake fluid and rust at the end. Going to pick up the new one then bench bleed it to make sure I have a good pedal


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 22, 2017, 03:04:43 PM
I picked up the master cylinder as well as brake fluid and when I got home realized I didn't have a brake bleeding kit, so I got a couple spare lines that I bent I formed to put them in the fluid. Bolted the master cylinder to the car & hooked up the lines to bleed the master cylinder. It was just me so I got smart and used the video option on the cell phone. Pumped the brake pedal until I had no more air and reconnected the brake lines. Didn't bleed the lines on the car but it felt good. I will re-bleed the car later... As in after debris isn't around the car. 


I was motivated so I went ahead and installed the wiper motor I bought. Now I have wipers. Next will be installing the speedometer cable I got from the 77, which wasn't that old. Once I do that I can install the instrument cluster and diagnose the issue that keeps blowing fuses when the key is turned to the "on" position. My money is on it being a short in either the parking brake switch, or the seat belt buckle. Process of elimination involves both being unplugged, then plugging them in, while seeing which blows the fuse.


I replaced the parking brake lever, and seat belt buckle so it could be either.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on July 23, 2017, 02:11:15 PM
I just LOVE progress!!!  Keep it up, Matt!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 23, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
Electric issue gone. Appears to be a short in the seat belt buckle. Unplugged it and no more blown fuses. It will stay unplugged.

I also replaced the speedometer cable and decided to change rear end fluid. I've never changed it but it seems to be pretty good.

I also installed a new driver door switch so now the light comes on.  Lastly I've found out the poor assembly Ford did in 1980. The parking brake lever cover has four screws. Two never went through the floor. Inexcusable and pathetic. No wonder the carpet wasn't staying under it. Makes me wonder what else they didn't do right

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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on July 23, 2017, 03:23:02 PM
Sadly, build quality for American cars was at rock bottom during most of the 1970's and '80's. 


Dwayne
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 23, 2017, 06:38:32 PM
Perhaps Dwayne, you're right which is a shame. I couldn't believe it. I thought I was missing the holes so I crawled under the car and saw only two holes. Grabbed my drill and let the self tapping scfews do the work. I also went ahead and used some engine blue paint and it's helped the carpet look better. It's brighter than I'd like but brighter is better than faded. I might go ahead and remove the seats so I can paint the rest of the carpet. It isn't the best match but will be much nicer than faded.


Speedometer cable fully installed, dash cluster reinstalled, and U-joints replaced on the driveshaft. Had an Oops moment and smashed my thumb which caused a mess but it's much tighter than it was before. I am going to pick up a new tailshaft seal for the transmission to make sure it's good. I know it's not original to the car because the transmission was replaced some time in the car's life but I don't know when. Did find I need a new neutral safety switch, as the wires as broke. The original connector is long gone but will figure something out when I decide to replace it. For now it's fine. It wasn't connected for quite a while, and the only issue is I don't have reverse lights.


The only thing I need to do at this point for the car to be mobile is replace that seal, add transmission fluid and gear oil, bleed the brakes as a precaution since I installed a new master cylinder, and that's it. Hopefully all will be well with the car.


I had a goal to take the car to a bootcamp my personal trainer held in 2012 but never got the car drivable. Now she has a bootcamp again, so my goal is to have that car there at that bootcamp.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on July 24, 2017, 09:37:46 AM
With all you've accomplished, that sounds like a reasonable and reachable goal!!!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 24, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
With all you've accomplished, that sounds like a reasonable and reachable goal!!!


Dwayne :)
Thanks Dwayne,

I'll be hitting the gym tonight after work, then going to get a new tailshaft seal for the transmission. I just can't take a chance of a leak due to not replacing a $3 seal while the driveshaft is already out.  Once I do that I will charge the battery, add transmission fluid, some gear lube to the rear differential, and be good to bleed the brakes.... All theoretically of course.

So, in 2012 I bought the car only to have a fire. Didn't do anything from 2012-2016. Since 2016 I've done the following:

engine swap, repaint engine compartment,  rebuild entire brake hydraulic system & parking brake system, fix electrical short, install new radio, fix bad door pin switch, differential fluid & U-joint replacement, transmission fluid and filter change, power steering pump replacement, fuel line repair, rear shock replacement, paint carpet.

Quite a bit in a 12 month period.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 24, 2017, 10:40:27 AM
I also replaced the speedometer cable with the newer one from the 77. Spun the old cable and could feel it binding in the housing. It'll be nice to test that cable when I go down the road and hopefully have no more bouncy speedo.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on July 24, 2017, 11:02:50 AM
The way your doing the work sound like a great way to prevent burn out that kill's many Pinto projects. Keep up the good work. The car will be worth it.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 24, 2017, 12:46:59 PM
Thanks. It helped having my Dad's car distract me, and my house distract me. I get going, then stop when I get annoyed. Since it's a project I take a step back and come back when I have a clear head. Although I hate tripping over the car's original engine as it sits in front of the car lol. I think it's safe to say I got more done yesterday than the rest of the year.

As for what's next I will pull the seats so I can paint the carpet. it's engine paint so not ideal but the carpet is garbage anyway. It needs new but floors need patched so gotta make do for now until I can repair the floors
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Reeves1 on July 24, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Sort of the same way I work on my cars.
Go hard till brain hurts and/or money runs out.

Pause

Back at it.

Gotta keep the fun in it !
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 25, 2017, 09:28:45 AM
Pretty much what happened. Ran outta cash, brain overloaded, had to work on my Dad's daily driver for a month. Fun stuff. Now his car needs more work. But I'm putting my car first this time. His car sits most the time anyway. Didn't get the seal last night but plan to tonight. I will then install it & reinstall the driveshaft, as well as pull the wheels & bleed the brakes. It has a solid pedal but since I disconnected the lines at the master cylinder I want to be sure it's good. I can then possibly remove the seats so I can paint the carpeting. I might not since I will be driving the car this weekend but might. We'll see. Most important is getting the car drivable & passing the first test drive since all the repairs.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on July 25, 2017, 10:06:59 AM
If its not fun you shouldn't be doing it. If you plan to fix it up to sell, forget it because you'll lose money. Been there and done that although yes, I should have kept them. This is a hobby plain and simple, so if its not fun find a different hobby. I've been working on Pinto's since 1972 and the fun is still there even though there were bad times along the way. If you really hate working on it, sell it to some one who will enjoy and have fun with it like I have. This post is not directed at any one person. Its just one of my rants. It is directed at all Pinto owners. And please post on the Pinto web site to insure its long life. We the members really need this site as both of the Mustang II sites have gone under. Lets not be the next one to fold. PLEASE!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Reeves1 on July 25, 2017, 12:25:58 PM
If I were you ... bleed the brakes at least twice. Lots. Make sure it flows CLEAN !

I use the clear tube into a jar method.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 25, 2017, 01:04:49 PM
If I were you ... bleed the brakes at least twice. Lots. Make sure it flows CLEAN !

I use the clear tube into a jar method.
Tried and true method. Been doing it that way for years.

As for the fluid flowing clean I had previously bled the brakes before multiple times at each wheel to get ALL the old rusty fluid out. All that remains is clean fluid. Only have to bleed them since the master cylinder failed and got air in the lines when I replaced the bad master cylinder.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on July 26, 2017, 01:10:36 PM
I've used one of those little air compress'r that you carry in your car to add pressure to the brake system for brake bleeding. Worked like a charm. Just make sure the master cylinder does not run dry.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 26, 2017, 01:15:51 PM
I've seen those before as well & may have to invest in one eventually. For now brake fluid in the bottle with the line in the fluid will work fine lol.

As for the car I got the transmission seal and driveshaft installed. Had to jump the car, since the battery was low but once I did the car ran somewhat decent. I really need to replace that carburetor. The 77 never did run too well on it but better than nothing. Once I got the car to stay running I got transmission fluid added to the car. I also added gear lube but need to get another bottle. The hatch seal I installed did not work so I will be buying one with a bigger seal area. The one had no compression to it with the hatch closed, so hopefully a different one will.

If all goes according to plan I will be driving that car to work tomorrow. It's suppose to rain & I want to test out the wiper motor. I replaced it but want to make sure all is well before a long trip. If it's going to act up I want to be close to home.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on July 26, 2017, 05:37:21 PM
Those air compressor are dirt cheap at Harbor freight. I've never had a tire they wouldn't inflate too. Walley world has them too.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 26, 2017, 06:01:03 PM
Well I have more issues to worry about than that. I come home and go in the garage to add differential fluid. Transmission fluid all over the ground. Not sure where it is coming from at the moment. I am going to get a bite to eat and start diagnosing the issue
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Reeves1 on July 27, 2017, 07:48:38 AM
I've seen leaks from the dip stick holder O ring failing....
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 27, 2017, 07:56:22 AM
I've seen leaks from the dip stick holder O ring failing....

Reeves, funny you say that. I just got off the phone with O'reilly auto parts to order one. I think I may have to junk the car after this though. I don't know if I can afford it... That whole 29 cents might bankrupt me  ;D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on July 27, 2017, 02:46:06 PM
Don't forget the tax too!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 27, 2017, 08:31:16 PM
New transmission dipstick tube o-ring. It apparently was leaking at some time. The previous owners used RTV on the dipstick tube. I used to be surprised with what I saw but now not so much. The leak however was from a piece of gasket that was stuck to the transmission case, and a big one at that. cleaned the gasket off the case, wiped off the pan gasket, and put it all back together. Took the car for a drive and all is well. The brakes feel great with a good, solid pedal, and besides a speedometer that may not be accurate all is well.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 28, 2017, 07:50:08 AM
Drove the car to work today after having to jump start the car. I think it just needed to charge back up after draining, although I'm concerned about the condition of the battery. When I tested it this morning it showed the battery to be weak but had a good charge. The starter previously tested good so don't think that's bad.

Anyway, besides the battery issue I did find the speedometer has failed. When I drove to work I got a few miles away from home and it started making an odd noise & stopped reading. Occasionally the needle would bounce to around 45 & then drop back down. I couldn't turn around and get the Malibu since I would be late to work so I kept up with traffic. I have a spare cluster at home and will swap it out so I have a working speedometer in the car.

Still, not a failure since I knew there was a chance the speedometer was going bad, and since the cable is from 2011 and spun freely I know the cable is good. I changed the cable thinking that was what caused my issue & found out it was not. I will keep the old cable as a spare since it apparently wasn't bad. Can never have too many spare parts
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on July 28, 2017, 09:00:52 AM
Good to hear that you are being prepared, that being said , you'll do well the show.
 BTW u can never have enough spare parts or enough special tools, (Ask me how I know!)

 Pintosopher, a biological anomaly with gearhead propensities :o
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on July 28, 2017, 02:58:31 PM
Good to hear that you are being prepared, that being said , you'll do well the show.
 BTW u can never have enough spare parts or enough special tools, (Ask me how I know!)

 Pintosopher, a biological anomaly with gearhead propensities :o
    I'll second the part about never having too many parts. I have now sold off all of my 2.0L stuff to SCCA racer mostly. Never see an ad anymore for 2.0L stuff. Still there in merry old England but for $$$$. Those of you with 2.0L Pintos, take VERY good care of them.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 29, 2017, 07:52:06 AM
Drove the car today to my workout as I wanted to and it did good. The speedometer is ok. Found it was possibly unplugged and works as far as I know. I need to have someone go 70 and see what mine is registering to see lol. I did however find a slight issue with the transmission. On the passenger side it drips a little. We'll find out. Tomorrow I will jack up the car and inspect it. It's only a couple drips but that's it. Not too bad but want it fixed if I can. If it involves pulling the pan I will leave it for now.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on July 29, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
Glad to hear you had her out for a drive this morning.  Good work!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on July 29, 2017, 10:28:56 AM
Drove the car today to my workout as I wanted to and it did good. The speedometer is ok. Found it was possibly unplugged and works as far as I know. I need to have someone go 70 and see what mine is registering to see lol. I did however find a slight issue with the transmission. On the passenger side it drips a little. We'll find out. Tomorrow I will jack up the car and inspect it. It's only a couple drips but that's it. Not too bad but want it fixed if I can. If it involves pulling the pan I will leave it for now.


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   Passenger side is where the lines to the cooler are. Leaks there are common.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on July 29, 2017, 10:32:43 AM
Is that on the c3 c4 or both?


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on July 29, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As far as I know, there on the passenger side on both tranies. Easy to spot too.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 01, 2017, 07:10:25 AM
Well the leak has returned on the car. I went to a car show & parked it in the garage afterwards. I noticed a puddle under the car, but not horribly big. When I was leaving the car didn't want to go very well until warmed up but finally was OK. I haven't checked the fluid level yet but when I was at the garage I looked & it's not big but not small either. It leaks from the front and RF corner, same area as before. I think the pan may be warped but will find out more when I pull the pan tomorrow. Additionally the oil pan has also developed a leak at the rear. It's not the rear main oil seal from what I can tell, and seems to be coming from the back. For now I will monitor the leak & figure out what to do later. On the upside her brakes are good, her power steering seems sealed, and the rear differential is good.

In the past I've said I don't particularly like the squared front end of the 79-80 Pintos. While it is not my favorite it is seeming more like my car. I think her issues stem from her current heart. She has the heart of Harold II and is acting like the little B*** that Harold II was the entire 11 years I owned her lol. Soon I will be tearing in to her engine and inspecting it so I can start the rebuild. I already have the Ranger cam, rockers, and followers. I just need to get some new rings and bearings. Since she smoked I will also get a bore gauge, and engine hone to remove any glazing. I had the head off at one time and there wasn't any bad damage in the cylinders.

Since her original engine only had 91k miles hopefully she won't need a new crankshaft. I will also get a micrometer so I can inspect her crank journals.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 01, 2017, 09:14:26 AM
On a high mileage 2300 that smokes when its started after sitting over night, the problem is the valve stem seals most of the time. Easy fix and cheap too.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 01, 2017, 09:18:06 AM
It smoked all the time. The engine had massive leaks all over and when I pulled the head the head gasket showed age. The car currently has an engine from my 77 parts car and it had 3k approximately after a rebuild. It's ok but higher miles than the car and original rings. The 80 on the other hand smoked the entire time it ran. There is no crosshatch pattern in the cylinders so it will be getting honed and new rings, as well as new bearings. Top end was tore apart for new valve seals in 2012 but not finished.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 01, 2017, 03:47:58 PM
If you still need weather striping for your Pinto with a trunk, go to  http://www.weatherstripspecial.com  They have it in stock.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 01, 2017, 03:53:51 PM
If you still need weather striping for your Pinto with a trunk, go to  http://www.weatherstripspecial.com  They have it in stock.
Thanks. That pinto has been sold off for scrap though. My current one is a hatch. For now it seems to have stopped leaking after beating the hatch in to submission


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 01, 2017, 03:55:47 PM
They have it for a hatch too if you do need it some day.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 01, 2017, 03:56:57 PM
Yeah. Pretty pricey compared to what I can afford. Fortunately the  one I got is working for now.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 02, 2017, 03:14:38 PM
Today was productive. I started off going to Jegs to pick up the transmission drain pan for my car. Pulled off the old one and found it was dimpled and warped all over. Now it was leaking before I did the initial fluid and filter change so my guess is it was overtightened before. Hopefully this shiney chrome C4 drain pan will seal up and stay sealed.

Since the car was up in the air I also went to remove the shifter from the car. Unfortunately the clips holding the 8mm bolts broke so for now it is on the car and doesn't want to come off... stupid clip nut things. While I was at it I also removed the seats from the car so I can vacuum the interior, as well as paint the old carpet. It looked better after vacuuming but still very faded. It looks much better than before. I also scrubbed the seats, as well as the interior trim panels since everything was grimy. The back seat belt buckles are rather nasty so I also went to remove them. The replacements are from a 92 Mustang and slightly different in how they mount but they should work nicely . The passenger side seems fused to the car, and badly rusted so I'm not sure how I will get it off. Perhaps jack up the back of the car and soak the bolt in blaster. Since the gas tank is back there I really don't want to heat it up to loosen it.

I also found the build sheet, and will be taping it back together to keep with the car. Not in bad shape for almost 40. Once the phone is charged I will post pics of the work done.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 02, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170802/df3c55118b3139246fcdcbd32028b19e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170802/c96fb6cbf433532fba74928c61acf9a7.jpg) carpet before and after paint. The spot I didn't hit was where the seat will be. And I was running out of paint


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 02, 2017, 04:23:47 PM
Far from perfect but much better I think. Once it dries I will bolt the seats back in


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 03, 2017, 07:47:32 AM
Since I have the interior pulled to paint the carpet I tried to replace the rear seat belt buckles that were badly rusted with the ones from a 92 mustang convertible. The bracket on the driver side one needs modified slightly and the passenger side broke the torx bit. Can't get it off so for now I did a repair job. A little sanding and testors silver model paint and it looks much better. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170803/96c550a57180d3560f7f0cdf47131027.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170803/53e2dc263551290624faa2012e2eb1d6.jpg)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 04, 2017, 09:07:25 PM
Well the transmission leak returned. I looked, and it seemed to be in the same area as before. I know the old transmission pan was causing some issues, since it was leaking all over, mainly in the right front corner. Well, it was sealed everywhere EXCEPT the right front corner. I inspected it and it didn't seem to be leaking from the pan or anywhere else, but noticed it seemed wet in the area of the dipstick tube. I tried my best to repair it but may end up replacing the dipstick tube. I couldn't tell but thinking there may be an issue with the tube itself.

I also went ahead and put the interior back in so I can take a test drive with the car tomorrow. A week from next Friday I hit the road so I want to make sure it's good and safe. Worst case scenario I monitor the transmission fluid and add as needed.

I will be pulling the passenger side door panel off the car so I can replace the bad door speaker and wiring. I found the original speaker is dead, so I will be installing a Sony speaker I got from the salvage yard a while back.

I also noticed occasionally the car would just shut off as if I turned off the key. When it happened the car wouldn't restart for a couple minutes, then fire up like nothing happened after a couple minutes. I pushed the connector back on the coil, as well as the coil wire and all was fine after. We'll see what happens. If the coil is bad I have a spare.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 05, 2017, 12:38:01 AM
Matt,


I'm glad you're still making progress!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 05, 2017, 07:25:42 AM
Another road block. Her starter died. New one at AutoZone or remanufactured unit. She will get a remanufactured unit


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Cookieboystoys on August 05, 2017, 09:10:11 AM
Re: I also noticed occasionally the car would just shut off as if I turned off the key. When it happened the car wouldn't restart for a couple minutes, then fire up like nothing happened after a couple minutes.

1st thing I would suspect would be the electronic ignition box, had a couple different ones do exactly the same thing over the years. Never fun getting them back to reliable but when you do sure is fun to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Keep at it Matt :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 05, 2017, 11:19:50 AM
Yeah, I was doing a quick diagnostic last night by feeling things. The coil felt very warm so not sure but it might be overheating. When I did the motor swap I took both the ignition coil, and the ignition box from the 77, as I replaced them previously. I have a Pinto toolbox, which is a metal tool box with a Pinto emblem on the outside. Inside there are going to be tools, a couple clamps, and a few easy spare parts like timing belt, distributor, cap, rotor, couple plug wires, ignition coil, and ignition box.

First things first though.... Pull the starter and get it replaced. I had it tested last year when I did the motor swap and all was well so I'm not thrilled about this but can't do anything about it either.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 05, 2017, 03:09:38 PM
Took the starter and battery to AutoZone to be tested. The battery tested good but starter kept blowing their breakers. It was locked up.  I had a feeling it was on its last leg when I did the motor swap but it supposedly tested good. I know they can go bad quickly but seems odd to have failed and never seemed to crank very well. $56 for a lifetime warranty unit versus $34 for a one year warranty. Could the one year work? Perhaps but don't want to chance it going bad on month 13 of 12 months and have to buy another.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 05, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
New starter and she runs good. Also tightened the exhaust so no more banging pipe. Ran good although her carb needs adjusting before the trip.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 06, 2017, 08:21:46 AM
So when I had the seats out of the car I found the build sheet. The paper was very brittle but I managed to reconstruct it (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170806/b94ca1afdbd33b6e3efa436ba8e1c2ff.jpg)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 06, 2017, 11:35:19 AM
Always cool to stumble onto the build sheet!  Doesn't appear to be in bad shape at all!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 06, 2017, 11:45:34 AM
Well I had to unfold and tape some areas but considering she was a barn car I'm surprised the mice didn't get it


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 06, 2017, 05:58:37 PM
I got busy on the car today. Previously I installed a remote sport passenger mirror and finished the installation. Yesterday I removed the door panel to replace a bad speaker and wiring so while I had it apart I went ahead and ran the mirror cable inside the car. Like most it doesn't fully function but it is at least done correctly. I also scrubbed the door panel and pieces, as well as replace a worn window crank. With the panel cleaned, speaker grill installed and door accessories cleaned up it looks better. I also reassembled the rest of the interior and it is much better.

I went ahead and also vacuumed the back since I never did. There was a bunch of crud inside but much nicer now that it's cleaned up.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 06, 2017, 06:52:14 PM
Sounds like a day well spent!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 06, 2017, 07:04:08 PM
When I got rid of the 77 sedan I kept the door seal I installed on the 77's driver door. The picture shows just how bad the old one was.  I'd say it was amazing it wasn't leaking but when I washed the car I found it was leaking.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 06, 2017, 09:51:02 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/086955053700eaa41c87fc0dc1b8dc73.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/d0eed089321d5cb3b4000f158c2e50a6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/b182948e166608bed4b3580dd88c7d53.jpg) Pics of the interior work to the car.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 07, 2017, 10:52:04 AM
Please post more pictures showing your work. I'm sure they will help anyone with a Pinto that is less than perfect including my own 80 model.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 07, 2017, 10:58:39 AM
Please post more pictures showing your work. I'm sure they will help anyone with a Pinto that is less than perfect including my own 80 model.

I'll be sure to. I've always loved Pintos, and posting the progress is enjoyable. I may have to step away from time to time when I get annoyed but if my project post will help others it's worth it.

The car will be getting driven to the gym tonight after work, and can then see what other adjustments I need to make to do well on the trip to Geneva, Ohio. A little buffing on the paint should help as well so she shines up nicely.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 09, 2017, 08:22:12 PM
Well last time I drove the car I noticed that at higher speeds the car had a noticeable misfire. I pulled the plugs and 1-3 looked really good, but 4 was another story. It seemed to not be burning too cleanly. The cylinder wasn't rich, but at the same time not fully burning either. When I pulled the plugs all four were over .040" with specs of .034". I didn't gap the plugs before since I didn't have a wire feeler gauge, and they were platinum plugs. Well the gap should make a difference in how she runs.

The bigger issue was the #4 plug wire was broken at the plug itself. I did the usual twist to break it loose and gently pull but that's when I found the wire was damaged. I will get a new set of plug wires for the car and keep the other three as spares for the toolbox for when I go to the car show next weekend.

I'm glad to have found this issue before driving to the car show instead of during the drive. The car was running ok except when cruising and since I will be mostly cruising around 65-70 I need it right.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 10, 2017, 09:14:18 AM
That SHOULD take care of the problem; hope so anyway.  I'm excited for you finally making it to the Pinto/Maverick show.  Whenever I get my orange '74 Runabout finished up and home, that show is going to be one of my top priorities - it looks like a beautiful setting.


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 10, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
That SHOULD take care of the problem; hope so anyway.  I'm excited for you finally making it to the Pinto/Maverick show.  Whenever I get my orange '74 Runabout finished up and home, that show is going to be one of my top priorities - it looks like a beautiful setting.


Dwayne :)
Thanks Dwayne. I ordered a set of plug wires from Jegs and they will be in tomorrow. They are rated better than OE and are on sale for two bucks less than oreily auto parts. Only $15 bucks with regular price of $30. I have a week to do additional test drives so I'm not worried about it too much. I am also going to get my Pinto tool box in order so I have plenty of spare parts and tools just in case.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 12, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
Get one of those little compressors that plugs into the lighter. I never leave home with out mine.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 13, 2017, 07:37:01 AM
Get one of those little compressors that plugs into the lighter. I never leave home with out mine.

Already got one. Had one for years.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 13, 2017, 08:56:24 AM
So I got a new set of Walker Thundercore Ultra spark plug wires from Jegs. Regular price is $25.99, on sale for $15.50. Ordered them Thursday, then went to the store to pick them up Friday. 8mm wire vs 7mm wire, better insulation for less radio noise. Seems to be a better overall wire. Today I will install them, as well as adjust the carburetor and choke assembly so it actually functions. When I'm done the car will have fast idle, which is more than I can say at the moment.


Currently the car starts and runs but no fast idle or working choke. That'll change very soon.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 13, 2017, 12:02:29 PM
Get a tube of dow coring compound from your parts store. It looks like clear grease and it will not conduct spark.  Smear it into the boots and you will never have a problem removing the boots in the future. Does not melt or run off ever.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 13, 2017, 12:09:20 PM
Get a tube of dow coring compound from your parts store. It looks like clear grease and it will not conduct spark.  Smear it into the boots and you will never have a problem removing the boots in the future. Does not melt or run off ever.

Already ahead of you on that. Got that covered. The boots on the old wires came off the plugs with no issue. Just the bad wire itself where the electrical connector broke off the wire. Could I have fixed it? Possibly but the wires were last replaced in around 2008 on the 77 the motor came out of and didn't want to chance it.

I pulled out my 1980 Ford manuals and went ahead and tested both the spare coil, and one on the car. Both tested good which made my day. I will see what I can find on testing the modules so I can make sure they are good as well.

I also swapped the choke assembly so it's ready of adjustment. The car should start up much better with the choke and fast idle cam adjusted since the car had no fast idle.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 13, 2017, 12:18:05 PM
We seem to be reading each others mind's. X files? Keep up the good work. Not only can you never have too many Pinto parts, you can never have too much information.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 13, 2017, 12:23:56 PM
We seem to be reading each others mind's. X files? Keep up the good work. Not only can you never have too many Pinto parts, you can never have too much information.

Haha you never know. The other three wires will be kept for spares. In 1997 I had an issue with a bad plug wire on a 1984 Cavalier wagon. Broke and had no spares. Ever since I've kept spare wires when swapping wires. A coworker things that's stupid but he's never had a break down due to a simple wire, carburetor, v-belt, etc. The car runs good but if I break down I have a few spare parts to keep the car going.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 13, 2017, 12:38:16 PM
Only time in the past that I had trouble was a float sticking in the carb. Had to raise the hood and bang on the carb with a wrench. Drive 10 miles and do it again, etc, etc.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 14, 2017, 11:29:33 AM
Yeah, the 77 Pinto I used to have left me stranded on the side of the road in 2006 with a plugged up carburetor due to rust, this Pinto left me on the side of the road with a blown left front tire and leaky accelerator pump (day I bought it ). My parents had an 85 Celebrity that lost a fuel pump in PA, the previous mentioned Cavalier problem, 86 Tempo had a bad lead going to the ignition coil, 86 Olds Calais lost a radiator side tank, Headlight on the 77 Pinto, rear brakes blew out on the 77 Pinto.... I've had too many break downs to not have tools and spare parts. Luck is not something I have lol.

Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 14, 2017, 11:41:35 AM
Had the primary side of the carb plug up. It would idle but only run wide open on the secondary. Drove it 30 miles home that way, Idle / wide open / coast / idle / wide open / coast / etc etc. Never got stopped even after 30 miles thru Denver.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 14, 2017, 03:24:36 PM
Update. New Walker Thundercore Ultra wires have the car running a little better. She gave me a fit with spark but found out it was an issue at the coil connector opposed to a wire issue. Still no fast idle so got to read up on how to fix that. Curb idle feels good once it warms up


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 14, 2017, 03:45:27 PM
Think of all the Pinto story's you can tell at the car show. Have fun / that's what its all about.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: phils toys on August 15, 2017, 07:28:49 PM
Lots of good work. See you soon.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 16, 2017, 10:14:42 AM
Lots of good work. See you soon.

Thanks Phil, you had seen Harold II and knew of the issues I had with the fire back in 2012 on this car. It'll be a treat to drive her to the car show Friday night.

So last night I started the car, and it took quite a bit to get her fired up but she ran. Didn't idle too well but I still need to adjust the carburetor's fast idle, and choke. I have an old Sears engine analyzer so I will be able to get her adjusted to 1980 specs. The carb was adjusted to 1977 specs, and ran well once upon a time. When the 77's days were numbered the carb got quirky. I never adjusted it since at the time I was going to use the car's original carburetor. Well, even after cleaning it never ran so I was forced to use the 77 carb.

I am going to make sure I have plenty of fluids in the car, as well as tools so if anything happens I'm covered... In theory. Looking forward to her debut to the Pinto community. Got some 0000 steel wool so I can polish up the trim, as well as clean the windows. There is plenty of overspray on all windows, and read from many sources this will take care of it.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 16, 2017, 01:03:26 PM
Make sure you have a spare fuel filter, timing belt, and fan belt. Those three items should cover 90% of what could go wrong.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 16, 2017, 04:35:13 PM
Ain't my first rodeo. I got it covered.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 16, 2017, 05:00:12 PM
Make sure you have a spare fuel filter, timing belt, and fan belt. Those three items should cover 90% of what could go wrong.
Sorry if the response was a little short. I know you're trying to help.

Anyways the test drive went well. New wires and choke adjusted made for a happy car. I also found the choke coil I was going to use was bad. Lastly I adjusted the curb idle to 800rpm and now she runs very smooth.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 17, 2017, 12:15:20 AM
It sounds like you're about ready to roll!  Should be an exciting trip.  Is your Dad going with you?


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 17, 2017, 07:49:49 AM
Nope just me. Told him about it but didn't seem too interested


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 17, 2017, 10:47:29 AM
Car was cold this morning so I tried to start the car. No luck. No spark again. pushed the wire and connector on the coil and it started to fire up. Plugs  got a little fouled but once cleaned off it ran fine. No fast idle when I got to thinking... The choke assembly came off the car too easy. Missing linkage from the assembly to the carb. Hard for the car to run right without it. It runs ok when warmed up but the choke doesn't do its job currently, and no fast idle without that part. I have the linkage on my spare carb so I will put it on the main carb for now. Better than nothing.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 17, 2017, 11:08:46 AM
Then again maybe not. The linkage is there. I quit. Screw the d@&$ thing. It isn't right and won't be. Will drive it as is. Maybe someone in person can shed some light. Nobody on here can seem to figure it out. And have better luck on Facebook getting responses since most are on there. It runs and drives just not as well as I would like. For now this chapter is at a standstill. I ordered a new left front shock absorber and once the car show season is over the car will go on jack stands for a complete front end rebuild. Some knocking from the front end is starting so I know I need ball joints. I have a complete kit I bought on eBay years ago and also have new front cool springs. Add a new steering rack and it will be able to be aligned as well. Not giving up on the car, just going to put it to rest while the suspension is rebuilt. Rear leaf springs are solid as a rock so those are good. Cool springs may be also but brand new in box I bought for the 77 and never used. I have one shock currently and a second ordered. It'll drive stiffer after with no noises


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 17, 2017, 03:25:01 PM
I've seen many on farcebook that didn't know were to put oil into their Pinto. Some didn't know if the thing under the hood was a 2.0L or a 2.3L, I think the people that could help you the most are on this web site. I know you have been fighting the carb issue for a long time. The holley / weber is a very simple carb when you put them along side a carb or FI for a new car. Here is what I know from past over hauls of the carb. #1 Remove the linkage from the choke.  #2 Remove the screws that hold the top of the carb on.  #3  Remove the complete top of the carb and turn it over so the float is pointing upwards.  #4  See where the float is located. There should be aprox a 1/4 (.250) of clearance between the float and the carb cover.  #5  Remove the main jets one at a time so you don't put them back in the wrong hole. Make sure they are clean. Then zoop the remaining gas from the carb. I use a plastic bottle with tube sticking  out of the top. Mash the bottle and stick the tube into the gas. Look in the holes were the jets go for trash. Use low air pressure to blow the holes out. Now look at the power valve in the bottom of the float bowl. If damaged replace it.  #6  Remove the idle mixture screw and blow it out with low pressure air.  #7 Pray its fixed. #8  Put it all back together. It takes very little trash to screw the carb up. Hopes this helps.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 17, 2017, 04:38:47 PM
The unfortunate truth is most people are on Facebook any more. Knowledgeable people exist in both places however most the time very few people post on here which is why Facebook is looking like a better option.  I've torn the carb down and rebuilt it and yet no fast idle. It's not worth messing with. If I had a way to and the money I'd rip the thing off, throw it away and go EFI. Give me EFI and I know a lot. Give me carb and I don't. And this seems to be something that has to be seen in person to fix since I have followed directions perfectly. It runs great when warm but ZERO fast idle. If it was junk inside it wouldn't run. I've been there in 2006 with the 77 Pinto and its original carb. But in other news the car will drive ok to the car show. Just not much more since the suspension is rattling. The car will be parked after the car show season is done so I can tear apart the entire front suspension, including new rack and pinion.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 17, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
I don't know if I missed this in the past, but the only way the fast idle will work is when the choke works. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 17, 2017, 05:32:46 PM
BTW! FI is supper easy on a 2300 Pinto. Just get one off a 2300 Mustang. It will bolt right on and the smaller ports of the FI intake will work even better with no mods necessary.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 17, 2017, 05:54:50 PM
I was under the impression there were issues with the intake manifold plenum fitting without modifications. I've had a love/hate relationship with carburetors. I love to hate them. Get in the car, turn the key, and go. drive with minimal issues. If there is a problem hook up the computer and track it down by the sensor readouts. Even without a computer to test it I have always had a knack for diagnosing fuel injected. Carburetors not so much.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 18, 2017, 08:53:41 AM
Intake only requires work if used for racing, otherwise it works just fine. Several members on here have gone that way. Good winter project.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 18, 2017, 09:38:15 AM
Interesting. Might have to do that. First winter project though is that aged suspension


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on August 18, 2017, 10:01:26 AM
I don't know if I missed this in the past, but the only way the fast idle will work is when the choke works. Plain and simple.
   New choke assy are on E-gay / ford pinto nos / 2.3L choke / for around $20.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 23, 2017, 07:04:13 AM
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Just a couple pics from the trip
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on August 23, 2017, 07:07:25 AM
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Just a couple pics from the trip

Looking pretty Sharp Matt, Keep up the good work! :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 23, 2017, 07:09:58 AM
The car did ok. It has a death rattle from the front end so it will be getting all the front suspension replaced. New shock arrived while I was out to replace the one I couldn't get off the 77. The car has no fast idle and runs like crud until warmed up and yes it was cool enough for the choke to function. The speedometer also broke on the car. It showed me going 85 but not always. At the same time the odometer was fine. I found it is possible the speedometer needed lubricated so we'll see what happens when I reinstall the cluster.

On the way home I was on I71 south when I heard something hit underneath. I pulled over and didn't see anything so I got back on the road. Turns out it was a bracket that went to the hood latch from the lower radiator support. Got a replacement from someone on Facebook already being sent to me. Time will tell how hard the suspension will be to be rebuilt.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 23, 2017, 07:11:33 AM
Looking pretty Sharp Matt, Keep up the good work! :)
Thanks that's the plan. If things improve and not get worse I will be happy lol. I also found out the horn is very weak and will try to replace it with a spare I have in the parts bin.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 23, 2017, 09:25:01 AM
Glad to know you made the trip and got back home safely.  When I finally have my orange '74 Runabout finished and home, that show/meet is the highest priority for me!  Looks like a gorgeous setting and who could resist the rivalry between the Pinto/Bobcat guys and that poor Maverick/Comet bunch?


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 23, 2017, 09:30:04 AM
It was a blast. And one more Maverick to the Pintos. Good show to take the car to although it needs work to be fully reliable. It starts like crap when cold and the choke is set right. I did find an 80 Bobcat that had the vacuum line set up I needed pics of so I can get them rerouted correctly.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 26, 2017, 07:40:20 AM
Haven't done much to the car since coming back from the four car shows. I did pull the speedometer and sprayed some silicone spray on the speedometer assembly. Seems to have helped. I'm not completely sure it's fixed so I located a spare cluster for the car. I also got a replacement bracket that goes from the top to the bottom of the radiator core support. It's been painted and will be installed later on. I found out there were multiple bolts that held it to the car, but when I stopped at the gym outside Cleveland I heard knocking from the front end when you hit the brakes. It was the bracket hitting the bumper. It hit the bumper because only one bolt was left. I don't know where the other went but the replacement bracket came with bolts.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on August 26, 2017, 09:00:54 AM
Are you planning to spend the weekend working on the car?


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 26, 2017, 09:04:47 AM
Not at all. I might look underneath and see if the stabilizer bar is causing some of the noise since the links are broken, but I might not since I got to get replacement links. The car has a full tank of gas and runs like crap when cold. The fast idle is there but barely, and it idles like crap when cold. Can't seem to find any answer on here so I won't worry about it and eventually replace the carburetor.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on August 26, 2017, 09:21:58 AM
Not at all. I might look underneath and see if the stabilizer bar is causing some of the noise since the links are broken, but I might not since I got to get replacement links. The car has a full tank of gas and runs like crap when cold. The fast idle is there but barely, and it idles like crap when cold. Can't seem to find any answer on here so I won't worry about it and eventually replace the carburetor.
Matt, Check the EGR system for leaks or being frozen open. Nothing you do to the carb will help below the Carb butterflies when it's cold if too much air is getting to the intake manifold. Just a thought, My old 74 2.3L had a cracked EGR housing and nothing would help after a thorough rebuild until that was fixed.

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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 26, 2017, 09:24:11 AM
Hmmm just a thought.... could a bad egr plate to intake gasket be the cause or bad egr to plate gasket?


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on August 26, 2017, 09:24:57 AM
U got it!
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 26, 2017, 09:25:40 AM
I know the carburetor itself sat for about four years with no intention of using but the 1980 carburetor had other ideas when it wouldn't work at all


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on August 26, 2017, 04:07:33 PM
Cheap gaskets. $2 for the carb gasket and $2 for the egr gasket. When I have it off I will also inspect the valve which was NOS when installed on the engine in 2006


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 01, 2017, 10:59:36 AM
Going to get a T-stat gasket for the car. When I installed the motor I had to replace the T-stat and housing. I glued the gasket to the housing but did not use any RTV on the head. It leaks a little when off but fine when running.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 01, 2017, 05:56:59 PM
Glad to know you're still plugging away at it!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 17, 2017, 11:22:41 AM
Well I'd like to say no news is good news on the car, but not the case. I got the speedometer fixed, and picked up a spare cluster just in case. My Malibu has some gremlins so I am parking it to save miles, and drive the Pinto.


Rained last week rather hard and the wipers worked, although a bit jerky. May replace the blades to see if that helps. The hatch also leaks when water sits on the car so I am keeping a towel in the car. At the moment it sits in the garage with the valve cover off. The car developed a top end tick that would come and go. The engine was rebuilt with new bearings in 2008, and no metal in the oil so I am pulling the lifters and followers to see if that will fix the problem. The cam is a Ranger roller and followers which I installed in the head in 2007 before I did a bottom end rebuild. The head is a lower mileage head off a Ford Courier, so unless the cam bearings decided to fail all is good there. It was immaculate in 2007 when I installed the head on the engine. Had to replace the head due to shot cam bearings on the original head on the motor when it had 123k miles.


I have cleaned up the followers, and lifters, and are currently pre-oiling them by soaking them in clean engine oil.


As for the coolant leak a new thermostat gasket fixed the problem. The car still leaks a little oil but that will be fixed in due time with a new oil pan gasket. It leaks about a quart every 1000 or so miles. The choke  or fast doesn't work and the carburetor has been adjusted according to the factory Ford books so it's a grin and bear it situation. A new gas cap will hopefully help it start better since the old one is no longer holding pressure on the fuel system. I noticed the car starts great when warm but takes more to start when cold. The engine and carburetor started much better when in the 77. The difference? Newer gas cap on the 77.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 17, 2017, 11:43:38 AM
A gas cap can make a world of difference!  In 2004 we bought a brand new Jaguar which was to be my wife's car.  We'd had it about a month when she called me one day and said something was wrong with the car - it had gone into a "limp home" mode and was just barely driveable.  She got home with it and I placed a call to the service department of the dealership (about 100 miles from us).  The service manager suggested checking the gas cap to be sure it was not cross-threaded.  I had already checked that but checked it again anyway - all good there.  Ultimately, they had Jaguar Roadside Assistance come pick up the car on a roll-back and deliver it to the dealership for repair.  It turns out that the gas cap seal was actually defective so, although it was installed correctly, it still was not sealing well and triggered the problem.  A new gas cap fixed the issue and they delivered the car back home to me the next morning.  I hope a new gas cap works for your situation too.


Dwayne :)
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Post by: r4pinto on September 17, 2017, 11:47:12 AM
Me too. Although right now I'm more concerned with the lifter noise. I'm missing a car show I desperately wanted to go to but wasn't sure with that top end rattle. Slight misfire and rattle tells me it was a lifter. Could hear the noise coming from the valve cover.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 17, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
Just got done test driving the car. I tell you what... This engine has not run so smooth for a long, long time. At first the engine had more noise than before, but I bought the lifters and followers in June 2012 for the car's original engine. They had some slight corrosion, and the rollers weren't as smooth as I thought they should have been. After I drove the car for a while it smoothed right out. They were loud when I first started the car but quieted up after driving.


An additional benefit... No more misfire. Now the cam did have slight pitting on the lobes of the #1 cylinder but for now it'll be OK. I will worry about it eventually but not now.


Cost of repairs at this time is $0, so if I need to replace the cam at a later date then so be it.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 17, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
Now THAT sounds like a day well spent!!!  Congratulation s on smoothing her ou!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 17, 2017, 05:00:32 PM
Thanks.


I got to mow the lawn, and then go to the store so I will be able to tell if the noise was a lifter that is leaking down when I start the car up. With me wanting to buy a new car in April I need to keep the miles off the Malibu to help its value some, so the Pinto is my daily driver. Good thing the temps aren't as humid, so no a/c doesn't seem as bad as it did in August.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on September 18, 2017, 06:33:44 AM
I know what you mean, Matt.  The lack of air conditioning is the main deterrent to me driving my Pinto during the summer months!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 23, 2017, 06:27:25 AM
I put on a new gas cap and the car somewhat starts better. Not completely, but a little bit. I am going to pull the carburetor off the car to replace the EGR gasket, and carburetor to intake gasket to see if that helps. The choke works but fast idle does not. Since the car sat for so long, as did the carb I will tear the carb apart to see if there is any rust in the bowl since later in the week it had slight issues going, especially when the engine is not up to temp.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 23, 2017, 07:31:12 AM
Matt,
 I'll throw another variable in the mix. If you received a benefit from the new cap, There's a evap issue in the mix. The retention of tank vapor to allow the Charcoal canister to work properly is dependent on many factors. Any ethanol mixed fuel compounds the canister purge function as the Phase separation will soak the matrix in the canister if the fuel is allowed to sit for any length of time beyond a week. If your canister has experienced "breakout" then the fumes will be obvious near the front of the vehicle. The Purge valve is a connection to the Intake from the canister and it can fail to function, creating many start and drivability issues. ( My 84 VW GTI  with non electronic CIS injection drives me nuts on this with Cal RFG fuels, and the canisters have to be rebuilt to keep the vapors to a minimum).
 Also another influencing factor could be Leaks at the Crankcase venting to PCV or even the Oil filler cap. It all must be vapor tight to limit influence on the Mixture when hot or cold starts are an issue.
 These are the ones that give you gray hair, or just hair loss like me :P

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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 23, 2017, 08:17:58 AM
So the new cap now retains pressure on the system which is causing a possible evap system issue? Possibly because it is not hooked up like a 1980 but a 1977 that didn’t have similar emissions?


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 23, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
I'll need to look into how the Pinto allows air into the tank to avoid collapsing the tank, but in the case of my CIS K jetronic GTI, the tank has to have a non vented cap in order to hold pressure to prime the electric fuel pump. Later , the Golf used a in tank pump and the External pump to send fuel to the  fuel injection distributor. This was to avoid vapor lock in the Lines and the Evap was changed to have electrically controlled  purge valves in the system to avoid the pre OBD 1 systems showing a pressure drop in the evap if the cap was left loose, or missing.
 In summary, There must be a way for fresh air to enter, but not leave the tank ( Except as fumes) so the canister system can do it's job. If it isn't hooked up correctly, you have potential for an air leak while running if the Purge valve hangs up. The mixture settings of the Carb are recalibrated to allow for the intake of addition fuel vapor from the canister. To unhook or incorrectly connect the lines is the way to frustration or Operation that is Pre Smog  control in nature.
 It's just me venting Again ;D
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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 24, 2017, 08:42:38 AM
Both of my Late model references show the 1980 using a Pressure/Vacuum gas cap. Not a sealed non vented unit. It appears the tank will stabilize the container with the cap. The fresh air for the canister is drawn in through the canister top. The fuel separator and expansion valve is in the top of the tank. The one hard line (not fuel line) for the fuel vapor is the hose at the canister to the frame. The other "duct " goes to the air cleaner housing from the canister. BTW, if the canister is OLD, rebuilding it may be possible if you can separate the lid from the base. Using a new Activated charcoal granule pack for fish tank water filters is the right stuff. It comes in different size chunks, so match it up at the local Pet store.
 And Never overfill ( Let the pump nozzle do its job ) the tank at fill up or you'll have to do this all over again ;D
 Let us know what you find out..
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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 24, 2017, 08:47:24 AM
At least the overfill is sometimes I don’t do. I learned that with my 2015 Sonic that I owned  lol. The original gas cap was on the car and was of a similar style to the new one I got. Before I put the new cap it would take much more to start the car so I know the cap had something to do with that. I am going to pull the carburetor off the car today and also try to connect some of the vacuum lines, including some that I think were the charcoal cannister using pics of one I saw at the Pinto vs Maverick car show. I needed a diagram and that car gave it to me. Now, there is a funky solenoid on top of the old carburetor that I cannot connect since it is not present on the current one. Could that have something to do with it?


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 24, 2017, 08:54:35 AM
Does the car have wiring for the Solenoid ? A single wire connector spade? You may have the dreaded Idle solenoid plunger application. It's supposed to open the Butterflies ever so slightly when the key is turned on to start the car and hold the curb idle while the plunger is extended. This whole deal was to allow the butterflies to close completely when the key was turned off, thereby stopping the potential for Run on (Dieseling) .
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 24, 2017, 09:01:47 AM
Well that solenoid did come on the car but not currently there. The one I am talking to is a solenoid on the top front of the carburetor held on with three screws in the area of the fuel filter. The 1980 carburetor had it, the frankencarb on the car did not. I say frankencarb because the top plate is from the 77 and the body from a 76. The 77 ran good with the carb. The top that was on the 76 carb had a leaky plug on the end so I swapped tops.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 24, 2017, 09:10:10 AM
It appears to be the switching bowl vent. This vents the fuel bowl fumes to the Canister with the engine off, and when your start the car the fumes are routed to the Air cleaner. Another way to stop fuel vapor from evaporating to the outside air in emissions speak.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 24, 2017, 09:11:16 AM
That’s it. Couldn’t recall the name. Is it possible that not being there is causing an issue?


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 24, 2017, 09:16:05 AM
It might be an issue if the lack of its presence allows a air leak beneath the Choke plates... as an example:  a bypass when the chokes need to restrict the air to the venturis in the carb throats
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 24, 2017, 09:17:24 AM
Ok gotcha. Hopefully after I replace those two gaskets (EGR and carb to intake) the car will run better.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 25, 2017, 11:57:20 AM
So this weekend it was too hot to work on the car after I cycled for 9 miles and cut the grass which left the car not touched. Drove to the store and it ran ok. I let it warm up 3-5 mins and all was ok. Still has the messed up fast idle but at least it drove fine. This upcoming weekend it will be back down to the 60s and 70s so I can work on fixing it.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on September 25, 2017, 01:06:00 PM
What ever you do, keep up the good work. Car looks better every time I see a picture of it.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 25, 2017, 07:45:02 PM
What ever you do, keep up the good work. Car looks better every time I see a picture of it.
Thanks. Plugging away at it one issue at a time. It’s not as easy to work on currently since it’s my current daily driver due to no working blower motor on my Malibu which due to being an electronic blower controller will cost about $200 to replace. Back to this car though.

I drove the car Friday and something was off. It just seemed off and with the higher temperatures I drove my Dad’s car to a football game. Sunday I drove my car and was fine. This morning it was fine as it was also after work. But after I left the gym it was not responding to acceleration as well, as if fuel or spark was off. Whatever the issue it doesn’t affect it to where it’s not drivable but to where it misfires more and can be felt. I am thinking possibly an issue with the distributor, ignition coil, or module since it happened after the car sat for a couple hours. This weekend it is cooler so I will find out later on.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 25, 2017, 08:29:46 PM
Check for any temp sensor that ties the vacuum system control to the cooling system jacket. This will affect timing and even carburetor system controls. Of course. an electrical component failure related to temp underhood. could also be in the mix too.
Pintosopher ,Looping the TVSS into lunacy :P :P
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 25, 2017, 08:31:07 PM
Check for any temp sensor that ties the vacuum system control to the cooling system jacket. This will affect timing and even carburetor system controls. Of course. an electrical component failure related to temp underhood. could also be in the mix too.
Pintosopher ,Looping the TVSS into lunacy :P :P
It’s not hooked up actually. Due to the way the vacuum lines are hooked up. The 77 did not have it but the 80 did. This weekend I hope to get it closer.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 25, 2017, 08:36:16 PM
OK, will retreat until you check back in  8)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 26, 2017, 06:43:18 AM
OK, will retreat until you check back in  8)
It gets more interesting. Seems there is a “flat spot” on the carburetor. Don’t know how else to describe it. Cold or warm if you give it gas it stumbles and nearly dies before accelerating. I almost got hit twice this morning because it just wouldn’t go initially. I may see if I can get the original carb unclogged and functional this weekend. It has all new gaskets and been rebuilt but a plugged jet somewhere so no fuel flowing. I would spray starter fluid in and she would start but die. I found gas in the bowl but wouldn’t spray. A shame since she ran great on the old carb.

Regardless I will do a carb swap, whether it be with that carb or another spare I have cleaned up. I will also change fuel filters since that one is from the 77 when I got her ready to go for Carlisle 2010.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 26, 2017, 06:51:25 AM
OK, will retreat until you check back in  8)

I am also going to do what you suggested and check the vacuum. My vacuum gauge may be MIA. If it is I will go to Autozone and rent one. I need to have one but my garage is a nightmare currently, and I will lose it, like I lose everything else. Hard to believe I can fit a couple cars in there  :P
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 26, 2017, 07:00:48 AM
I am also going to do what you suggested and check the vacuum. My vacuum gauge may be MIA. If it is I will go to Autozone and rent one. I need to have one but my garage is a nightmare currently, and I will lose it, like I lose everything else. Hard to believe I can fit a couple cars in there  :P
When you get a vacuum gauge, see if the reading jumps erratically in sync with the flat spot. Still could be a air leak related to vacuum controls , but you'll have to isolate those when you change carbs. Black smoke while the flat spot is there, is over rich flooding from the Accelerator Pump circuit.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 26, 2017, 07:05:15 AM
When you get a vacuum gauge, see if the reading jumps erratically in sync with the flat spot. Still could be a air leak related to vacuum controls , but you'll have to isolate those when you change carbs. Black smoke while the flat spot is there, is over rich flooding from the Accelerator Pump circuit.
One thing I’ve noticed... no smoke when idling unless cold with the choke closed, but in that case I know it is running rich because the choke is closed. Plug checks showed clean plugs and I’m getting 23-24mpg. If I speed 21 mpg. When revving I will see if anything is coming out when I work on the car this weekend. I’m at the point where driving to and from work I need it better. For car shows it was acceptable but for daily driving it needs to be right.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 26, 2017, 07:06:07 AM
One thing I’ve noticed... no smoke when idling unless cold with the choke closed, but in that case I know it is running rich because the choke is closed. Plug checks showed clean plugs and I’m getting 23-24mpg. If I speed 21 mpg. When revving I will see if anything is coming out when I work on the car this weekend. I’m at the point where driving to and from work I need it better. For car shows it was acceptable but for daily driving it needs to be right.


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I appreciate the suggestions and hopefully will find something to get it right.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on September 26, 2017, 09:10:06 AM
Have you tried spraying water down the carb while the engine is running? You don't need much water. I use a pump spray bottle like a Windex bottle. Work's very good and you will not believe all the junk that the exhaust will blow out the tail pipe. The spray of water will not rust or in any way hurt the engine. Work's for me.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 26, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
Have you tried spraying water down the carb while the engine is running? You don't need much water. I use a pump spray bottle like a Windex bottle. Work's very good and you will not believe all the junk that the exhaust will blow out the tail pipe. The spray of water will not rust or in any way hurt the engine. Work's for me.
I’ve not heard of that. What does it do?


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 26, 2017, 09:18:45 AM
I’ve not heard of that. What does it do?


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Found some info. Interesting reading. May have to try it


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on September 26, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
I’ve not heard of that. What does it do?


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   It makes steam in the cylinder which attacks carbon build up. I've used it all my life with no problems at all. DO NOT try this with a water hose. Use only a spray bottle with a fine mist. You can not use too much as it pass's out through the exhaust pipe. You may have to up the rpm while doing this.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 26, 2017, 11:37:56 AM
   It makes steam in the cylinder which attacks carbon build up. I've used it all my life with no problems at all. DO NOT try this with a water hose. Use only a spray bottle with a fine mist. You can not use too much as it pass's out through the exhaust pipe. You may have to up the rpm while doing this.
I have a squirt bottle for my cats so I can use that. I will give it a try. Couldn’t hurt


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 29, 2017, 11:51:26 AM
Well the vacuum modulator didn’t hold out after it started to go and she was going through transmission fluid. Smoked like crazy once it failed completely. I ordered on through Rockauto and it got delivered today. I’ve been driving my dad’s car the past couple days and will get my car fixed tonight. It will be nice to have it back on the road and save money on gas. I may blow out the line with carb cleaner to get as much fluid out of the vacuum line as possible. The bright side is that transmission fluid will clean the carbon right out of the engine.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on September 29, 2017, 12:08:18 PM
I have known several really good gear heads that would put a quart of ATF in their engines to clean them out before they drained the oil out. Don't see how it could hurt.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 29, 2017, 12:10:40 PM
I actually cleaned a piston on my old Impala by putting ATF on the head. Cleaned it right up before I replaced the head


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 29, 2017, 10:01:41 PM
Vacuum modulator was definitely shot. Pulled the line off under the car and fluid poured out. New one on and smoking stopped, as did a little of the poor running. I did however find the passenger side inner tie rod is worn and needs done sooner rather than later. I will price new inner and outer tie rods and while I am at it replace the bad driver side rack and pinion boot. The rack really should be replaced but it’s not in the funds. Heck new tie rods aren’t either for that matter. Will do it as I can afford to.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on September 30, 2017, 07:22:41 AM
Vacuum modulator was definitely shot. Pulled the line off under the car and fluid poured out. New one on and smoking stopped, as did a little of the poor running. I did however find the passenger side inner tie rod is worn and needs done sooner rather than later. I will price new inner and outer tie rods and while I am at it replace the bad driver side rack and pinion boot. The rack really should be replaced but it’s not in the funds. Heck new tie rods aren’t either for that matter. Will do it as I can afford to.


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Good to hear that the Modulator was the issue. Tuning can now proceed  :D  On the Rack , be sure that when you set up for the new ends that you have verified the rack is in exact center of travel, or it'll be tough to get accurate alignment later. Measure 5 times before you cinch those inner links, ( ask Me how I know :P) Then proceed to set up for actual center to center on the outer tie rod ends. One noteworthy issue, Camber and Caster should be set before Toe, as they will mess up that measurement. I know you were planning on the front end rebuild, soooo think about that horse before the cart as the budget allows :o Loose bushings & Ball joints will sabatoge a reverse alignment.
 Ackk it will cost more money!!!  :o
  Pintosopher, debt laden tools keep my wheels turning, but the ride is straight, and the tires love it! ;)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on September 30, 2017, 07:27:42 AM
That’s why I’m not tacking it just yet. While I have a suspension kit I ordered for my old 77 I don’t really want to replace the ball joints at the moment


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 01, 2017, 07:31:22 AM
Well I went ahead and ordered the inner tie rods from Rockauto, as well as a new driver side rack and pinion bellow so I can properly fix the flame broiled one. After the fire I used an old one from a 2004 Impala rack and pinion core I had lying around. Lost the core charge since I didn't return it in time, so I got my money's worth by using the boot.

Additionally I got two power steering TRW outer tie rod ends off ebay which will be installed as well. The steering feels good but I am getting a little odd tire wear from the bad passenger side inner tie rod end. That's no big deal since I have a 5th tire in the trunk for the spare I can rotate to the car if it gets severe enough to where it can't be fixed by driving the car properly aligned.

I am on vacation in a couple weeks, so what I will do is get a grinder to cut through the rivets on the old ball joints, and replace all four ball joints, all tie rods, front coil springs, and shock absorbers. I'm sure the car will drive much better after I do that, even though it drives pretty good now. Since the rear end is not alignable being a solid rear axle I will just get a front end alignment to save me some money.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 01, 2017, 08:41:12 AM
Great to hear that the whole banana is going to be eaten ;D  If you can find one to rent, I recommend the OTC Spring compressor (7045b) that goes inside where the front shocks reside normally, It is the Safest one to use, and that's why I bought one for My 72 work (future project) and a must have for My Dakota that I recently O'hauled the frt susp. Never worried after seeing the Turns that tool used to make the Springs loose enough for removal. and it worked great. Bought on Amazon...
 While you have the rack dismantled, the pinion should be checked for excessive play, and shimmed as necessary for proper play on the rack teeth. Unfortunately , there's no Cam/locknut adjuster like many cars for this. If it's too tight, the rack will bind at either extreme of the full travel, so you may have to settle for some play to avoid the binding zone. This is where it could become a wash on just getting a new rack. :o
 The car will track so much better when all of this is done, and you might even see more fuel mileage, and of course, peace of mind on tire wear/ bearing adjustments, etc... :D

 Pintosopher,  loose ends are for wandering ,  directions are for folks with a fast horse ;D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 01, 2017, 08:44:06 AM
Well I’m not actually rebuilding the rack, just replacing the tie rod ends. The car steers good or should I say as good as it can with worn tie rods lol


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 06:53:50 AM
Stupid car is now stalling and running like crap after it sits. When cold it’s fine except for that issue with the fast idle not working for no reason. Ordered a new ignition module and will also replace the distributor although I want to tow this thing to a field, pour gasoline on it and set the damn thing on fire.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 07:15:01 AM
Matt, I do feel your frustration..
 Let's assume that the new electrical components eliminate "temperature" related tuning from the ignition, and you have consistent spark at all temps. The next logical issue is fuel supply and metering.  Fuel vapor lock? Sending unit/pickup clogged with contamination?
 Hook a can of gas to the fuel pump( safely), eliminate that possibility. Back to the emissions related "leaks " that allow the system to bleed air into the intake. If necessary, set the car up temporarily minus all emission and evaluate all operating temp situations. You will find the gremlin.
 The Last is a complete multi temp leakdown  test of the head gasket integrity (you could do this first and save a bunch of time and grief if it's the problem)  :o Nothing will save a poor seal at the head, you can tune yourself into an asylum, if it's the problem.

 Have faith, the answer is there..

 Pintosopher , been there, done that, and paid the price :P
 
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 07:20:04 AM
Oh it’s beyond frustration. I’m trying to drive this thing so I don’t rack up miles on a car with broken heat so I can trade it in April and it keeps acting up. I’ve even tried to look for vacuum diagrams to see if they were never hooked up right on the 77 but can’t get a straight answer.  So I will try to describe it. The EGR line is running to the bottom port on the carburetor, and the distributor is to the intake vacuum port on the front port of the intake. Is it possible the previous owners of the 77 had it hooked up wrong? Yep. But being as I have nothing to compare to I had to hook it up the same way since it’s the 77 carb on the 80.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 07:21:03 AM
As for the cylinder leak down any suggestions on how to do that.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 07:22:00 AM
Lastly a friend from high school was by my car last night and it reeked PIG rich while running. Possibly from weak spark not burning the fuel but unknown.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 07:25:07 AM
I will dig into my Books and look for the Vacuum diagrams for both 77 & 80 and get back to you. Rich mixtures could be a sinking float in the carb bowl, allowing the fuel to pour in..

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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 09:39:47 AM
Fuel to the fire. Plug check. Cylinder one looks worse than the others. Included is the number one plug and one from number four. 2-4 all look the same. I smelled number one and it was residual transmission fluid. Will buy a new plug for the number one cylinder (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/fab022e19ad550fe781b8f8fac911032.heic)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/14b59c0c4fcb59d2d7b0c3fb518d94b8.heic)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on October 04, 2017, 10:22:59 AM
A very rich mixture can wash the plugs off and make you think their ok. Smelling them will tell all if you look and smell after driving the car. At times they will look brand new. Most of the time the rich condition will be because by the float or the power valve.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 10:26:01 AM
I did smell them before and they were fine. The only one that wasn’t was the one that is apparently still fouled with transmission fluid and will be replacing it. If it were that rich the mpgs would be in the toilet and oil in the gas. I have neither. As for the float it was fine before however I will be pulling the carburetor to see what may be wrong with it.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 11:33:02 AM
Fuel to the fire. Plug check. Cylinder one looks worse than the others. Included is the number one plug and one from number four. 2-4 all look the same. I smelled number one and it was residual transmission fluid. Will buy a new plug for the number one cylinder (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/fab022e19ad550fe781b8f8fac911032.heic)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/14b59c0c4fcb59d2d7b0c3fb518d94b8.heic)


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Strangely enough, Your # 1 insulator is the  right mixure color (beige) for a plug check at high RPM, But all plugs showing soot around the rim which is rich At idle to 1/8 -1/4 throttle. Plain white on the insulator is a lean condition for a carbureted engine.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 11:38:05 AM
Oh it’s beyond frustration. I’m trying to drive this thing so I don’t rack up miles on a car with broken heat so I can trade it in April and it keeps acting up. I’ve even tried to look for vacuum diagrams to see if they were never hooked up right on the 77 but can’t get a straight answer.  So I will try to describe it. The EGR line is running to the bottom port on the carburetor, and the distributor is to the intake vacuum port on the front port of the intake. Is it possible the previous owners of the 77 had it hooked up wrong? Yep. But being as I have nothing to compare to I had to hook it up the same way since it’s the 77 carb on the 80.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 11:44:01 AM
Oh it’s beyond frustration. I’m trying to drive this thing so I don’t rack up miles on a car with broken heat so I can trade it in April and it keeps acting up. I’ve even tried to look for vacuum diagrams to see if they were never hooked up right on the 77 but can’t get a straight answer.  So I will try to describe it. The EGR line is running to the bottom port on the carburetor, and the distributor is to the intake vacuum port on the front port of the intake. Is it possible the previous owners of the 77 had it hooked up wrong? Yep. But being as I have nothing to compare to I had to hook it up the same way since it’s the 77 carb on the 80.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 11:51:55 AM
Thanks for shooting those. The 80 had the dual converters when the 77 did not. I think the 77 was federal emissions since its carb had nothing to it. Very oddballish. Will have to make do with what is available to make it work. As for the 80 plugs... so you’re saying the plugs indicate both lean and rich at the same time? I ordered a new ignition box and will also more than likely replace the distributor to see if that helps. Chasing the problem but no choice. Will also pull the carburetor, new filter, and check the float to see if that does any good


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 12:09:16 PM
Thanks for shooting those. The 80 had the dual converters when the 77 did not. I think the 77 was federal emissions since its carb had nothing to it. Very oddballish. Will have to make do with what is available to make it work. As for the 80 plugs... so you’re saying the plugs indicate both lean and rich at the same time? I ordered a new ignition box and will also more than likely replace the distributor to see if that helps. Chasing the problem but no choice. Will also pull the carburetor, new filter, and check the float to see if that does any good


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From my earliest apprenticeship as a Mechanic with 2 & 4 stroke engines. A properly tuned mixture for a 2 stroke (oil Mix or injection) is the Coffee creamed color ( insulator)for the full throttle Plug check. Any heavy soot at the rim of the plug is idle circuit richness (2 or 4 stroke)  this is for Carbureted engines as a reference. The color of # 1 indicates recent oil presence in the fuel mix (ATF?) or intake valve guide seal leakage on #1. Modern Emission controlled 4 stroke engines usually run near white  or grey at the plug insulator for Mid to full throttle. Much of this is due to calibration of Fuel injection Pre-OBD or Most OBD emissions.
 In the case of a unwanted air bleed into the intake, no soot at idle, and bone white insulator with risk  for detonations (pinging) and possible engine damage under load.
 That would also explain any unusual gas mileage benefit too, but seldom is present without pinging.
 
 More variables, but in the absence of proof of a mechanical issue..  (Google Leakdown You tube videos)  this is where we are ::)

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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 01:00:49 PM
So with that info I have two questions. Will having the vacuum advance hooked to intake vacuum cause some of this as opposed to ported vacuum? Is it possible that 77s had them set up that way? And last but not least how does one adjust the fuel mix on the carburetor?


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 01:01:58 PM
Also I want to add one thing I noticed is no sounds of any pinging whatsoever (that I could identify anyway)


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 02:05:14 PM
So with that info I have two questions. Will having the vacuum advance hooked to intake vacuum cause some of this as opposed to ported vacuum? Is it possible that 77s had them set up that way? And last but not least how does one adjust the fuel mix on the carburetor?


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Unless there is a vacuum control valve, like the throttle angle vacuum switch, or the vacuum regulator solenoid shown in the diagram I sent, any connection to the intake manifold results in full manifold vacuum to the Advance mechanism on the Dist at Idle. Ported vacuum is a low vacuum port to prevent any influence on the advance mechanism until the Butterflies move off the seat, (idle seat screw), hence limited or no vacuum at idle to prevent the spark advance from causing (dieseling) run on and why the carb has a Throttle Positioning idle solenoid.
 This is why many attempts to adjust the tune are challenged if the whole equation isn't factory pertaining to components on the car.

Let me know how far you are willing to go with this relative to OEM setup...
Pintosopher, the hard way, is the one that sticks with you,
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 02:06:59 PM
Ultimately I want it to be as close to correct as possible. I may try to see if I can get the original carburetor to spray fuel and use it instead of the frankencarb on the car now


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 02:24:44 PM
Ultimately I want it to be as close to correct as possible. I may try to see if I can get the original carburetor to spray fuel and use it instead of the frankencarb on the car now


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Ok, In the meantime, verify using the diagram, all of the emissions components present on your car. If you find wiring or pieces missing, I'll do my best to decipher the mess. 1980 isn't that much different from a 1977 , unless it's a California car.  :P If you have that vacuum controlled exhaust heat riser valve in the exhaust, make sure it's not frozen partially closed or even open too! It must have a functioning diaphragm to not allow air into the system unnecessarily, In fact, all vacuum pots must be functioning with no bleed down while checked with vacuum pump tool.

 Pintosopher, Life can be lived in a vaccum, but it never sux   :-X
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on October 04, 2017, 03:14:29 PM
Also I want to add one thing I noticed is no sounds of any pinging whatsoever (that I could identify anyway)


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     On a car with an automatic tranie it is very hard to hear one ping because as you slow down to climb a hill and put a load on the engine, the tranie will downshift. It would have to be so bad that the engine would most likely not start to hear it ping. BTW I have seen many post about never using manifold vacuum for the disturber advance. Also I know you should never have it hooked up when setting the timing.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 03:22:15 PM
     On a car with an automatic tranie it is very hard to hear one ping because as you slow down to climb a hill and put a load on the engine, the tranie will downshift. It would have to be so bad that the engine would most likely not start to hear it ping. BTW I have seen many post about never using manifold vacuum for the disturber advance. Also I know you should never have it hooked up when setting the timing.
The 77 I had was set up the exact same way as this car so I would have no reason to think it was not correct. As for setting the timing you ASSUMED I did not disconnect the line from the distributor when setting the timing before which I did. You know what they say about assuming.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on October 04, 2017, 03:36:53 PM
Off the Holly web site. Manifold vacuum is high at idle and low at wide open throttle (WOT).Ported vacuum is weak at idle. strong at cruise and weak at WOT. I have never seen a Pinto Holly / Weber carb pulling vacuum off the intake manifold. It may be the easy way, but its not the right way.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 03:45:09 PM
Off the Holly web site. Manifold vacuum is high at idle and low at wide open throttle (WOT).Ported vacuum is weak at idle. strong at cruise and weak at WOT. I have never seen a Pinto Holly / Weber carb pulling vacuum off the intake manifold. It may be the easy way, but its not the right way.
Dick , absolutely correct,  the last Car I had with a manifold vacuum dist hookup was a '55 chevy 2 bbl 265. And it wasn't using a port fitting, just the carb base. That could've been wrong but it was easy.
Pintosopher,
 I need more cerebral ports in my vacuum laden brain  ::)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 04:08:51 PM
And yet that was how my 77 was connected when I bought it. I’m not saying it was or was not correct however when it ran fine I had no other reason to think otherwise.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 04, 2017, 04:12:13 PM
And yet that was how my 77 was connected when I bought it. I’m not saying it was or was not correct however when it ran fine I had no other reason to think otherwise.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 05, 2017, 12:24:00 PM
It seems a simple thing like replacing the somewhat transmission fluid fouled plug on #1 has helped drastically. Last night the car ran better although not perfect and no starting problems after the car sat. Although it isn’t completely correct and doing some work on the carburetor should help with that. I will address the vacuum lines at that time as well. I did however find out today the hatch leak is smaller but still there. The left four inches of the seat were wet so I have a little more tweaking on the hatch to do to get it completely sealed. Might just cut my losses and swap hatches.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 06, 2017, 09:43:04 AM
Well the repair to the hatch seemed to work for now. I used a 2x4 and a 4 lb sledge to knock it in to shape. Might do some body patch work on the car once I get a new car and if so I will take care of the paint as well by sanding, and doing a rattle can paint job for now. The paint is junk on the car and flakes off easily so it will need to be sanded to the original color anyway before professionals paint the car, with some patch panels welded in. At least the car would look better rattle canned if done right.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 06, 2017, 10:21:49 AM
Onward, forever onward, I say...  ;)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on October 06, 2017, 01:06:27 PM
Not onward, but upward as in up, up, and away.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 06, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
Ahh,  the Elevating impact of Balloon Logic in Kinetic energies...  Kaboom goes the Sonic barrier again.. Or was that the sound of a Sledge on Hatch rim? ;D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 06, 2017, 03:19:59 PM
Ahh,  the Elevating impact of Balloon Logic in Kinetic energies...  Kaboom goes the Sonic barrier again.. Or was that the sound of a Sledge on Hatch rim? ;D
Sledge on 2x4


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 06, 2017, 03:41:26 PM
Or the Squeal of an English Wheel on bent steel ::)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 06, 2017, 06:42:38 PM
Whatever.... progress is progress!!!  Way to go!


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 12, 2017, 06:51:49 AM
The battery died on me the other day, then the used battery I bought from AutoZone yesterday failed as well. Had alternator tested and starter. Both tested perfectly but the battery was low on charge. It doesn’t hold a charge very well so I went to Walmart and bought a brand new battery. Started perfectly this morning but then driving to work the car lost all power. I coasted to the side of the road and put it in neutral to restart and it was running. The engine apparently regained ignition and cranked back up with inertia from the transmission ( that’s my guess but not 100% sure). Last night at the gym the car started and then died. When I jiggled the ignition module connectors the car refired so I’m guessing there is a short in the module. I will be installing the new module tonight after work. Next week I am on vacation so I will be putting the car on jack stands and rebuilding the entire front suspension. We’re talking new shocks, ball joints, inner and outer tie rods, and coil springs. I will get the car realigned and the tires rotated since the front right tire is feathered on the inside edge from the worn inner tie rod. I will also flush the cooling system and  change the oil while it’s in the air. Only about 2300 miles since it’s last oil change but might as well do it all at once.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 18, 2017, 06:51:23 AM
What hath the week wrought at this day of the Hump? Progress report?  The boys in the Bunkhouse want to know ;)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 18, 2017, 06:56:55 AM
Vacation!!!!! Not much to report. This weekend I pulled the top of the carburetor off to find rust in the bowl. Since I got the carb off my 77 I don’t know for sure if it was from this or that car. I did however find the nozzle was clogged. So that explains a lot of my issues. Got the nozzle soaking to clean it up and bought a can of carburetor cleaner. I will clean out the bowl, and see if I can get the original carburetor functioning again. New fuel filter as well. Additionally the hoses from the power steering cooler sprung a leak so I will be replacing them as well.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on October 18, 2017, 09:56:36 AM
I've never had a Pinto that didn't have that rust looking crap in the float bowl. The problem is the worthless fuel filter that Ford used to save a penny per car. On all of my Pintos I placed a new filter near the tank and one by the fuel pump. Problem gone. The old stock filter? Still there but no trash ever gets to it.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 18, 2017, 09:58:31 AM
Agree with you completely on the filter. Cut it open and nothing in it. Was a salvageable filter anyway since I already bought a new one. Still nice to get this taken care of.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 27, 2017, 06:45:44 AM
Updates make the world go 'round.. And how's that Pinto project going? ;D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 27, 2017, 06:52:49 AM
Haven’t even touched the car. After pulling the accelerator pump nozzle it has sat. I will be putting the nozzle back in and move the car to the other side of the garage, followed by suspending the insurance until next year since the car show season is done.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintosopher on October 27, 2017, 06:55:14 AM
Ahh Another horse goes to the Stable for the winter. Pickled Ponies abound as the season unwinds... Keep the stall clean and dry.. ;)
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 27, 2017, 09:17:11 AM
Ahh Another horse goes to the Stable for the winter. Pickled Ponies abound as the season unwinds... Keep the stall clean and dry.. ;)
That reminds me. Clean the garage up a little so I can get the car moved over lol


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on October 28, 2017, 11:51:17 AM
Haven’t even touched the car. After pulling the accelerator pump nozzle it has sat. I will be putting the nozzle back in and move the car to the other side of the garage, followed by suspending the insurance until next year since the car show season is done.


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    Make sure you remove and look at the power valve cause they can both be stop'd up and or leak. Not good either way. Easy fix.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 28, 2017, 02:40:57 PM
Not even gonna mess with it. The carburetor is a pile of crap so just doing what I can to move it from one side of the garage to the other. No more, no less. So your advice will be ignored


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on October 28, 2017, 04:38:37 PM
Well that's ok because other members on here may be able to use the information in the future.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: Pintopower on November 05, 2017, 10:50:37 PM
Not even gonna mess with it. The carburetor is a pile of crap so just doing what I can to move it from one side of the garage to the other. No more, no less. So your advice will be ignored

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Hey there Matt, I know those carbs are a pain but @dick1172762 was just trying to help.


Now hang on there Matt, dick1172762 was just trying to help. I for one love that carb but I can imagine that some of them can have issues.


Well that's ok because other members on here may be able to use the information in the future.

I too was going to recommend that.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dick1172762 on November 06, 2017, 01:11:52 PM
I agree Pintopower with you 100% about the carb being ok. Its one of the simples carbs I ever worked on bar none. I have never seen one that did not out last the car it was in. There's nothing to wear out so it should last a really long time. I guess if you did not look after it, the shaft bushing could wear out, but I've never seen one do that.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 02, 2018, 09:37:22 AM
Been a while for me on here and for the car. Last October I was using it as a daily driver until the right front tie rod went. I then bought a 2017 Cruze and parked the Pinto. I have the right front torn apart and left front tire rod off. The car is getting an entire suspension rebuild.

The starter I put on failed already and I believe it’s due to heat from the exhaust pipe. May try to wrap the starter to protect it.

I’ve not touched the car since the flu knocked me down in April but hope to this fall/winter.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 03, 2018, 11:10:31 AM
Every project I've ever had, automotive and otherwise, tends to stall during the hot summer months.  The work goes so much faster when the weather is comfortable!


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on October 03, 2018, 11:17:17 AM
Yeah, the heat does make it harder LOL. Although, it would have been easier to do if I didn’t have that heightened interest in my 87 cavalier LOL.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on October 03, 2018, 11:22:38 AM
Yeah, the heat does make it harder LOL. Although, it would have been easier to do if I didn’t have that heightened interest in my 87 cavalier LOL.


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Probably true, but just think... you'll have TWO nice vintage drivers eventually! ;D
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on October 05, 2018, 02:27:25 AM
Matt!
Great to see you are still around.
Just do what you can when you feel like it. I've been waiting for it to cool off here so I can work on the 79 I bought in the spring. So far all I have done is empty it out of loose parts and buy stuff. Hopefully soon it will get nicer here.
Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 22, 2018, 09:30:12 AM
Thanks Russ, taking things one day at a time. It's been a busy month or so. Nothing has gotten done. I'm selling my old Omni GLH, and considering I never have time I'm considering scrapping the Pinto. No time or motivation lately. The Cavalier is a running, driving car that was owned by one owner and in much better shape than the beat up Pinto. Time will tell what I decide. Need to get some fuel stabilizer in the car, and try to start it, although with the bad starter it's a no-go. One year old and the damn thing went. Stupid design by Ford to have the starter right next to the exhaust. I know it got burned out. Will see what 2019 brings.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on November 23, 2018, 03:52:33 AM
Yeah. Not the best place for a starter.

If you have it in a place that isn't needed  for something else, try to just leave it there and forget about it until you feel like doing something to it again.

I'm really bad with hobbies. I have too many, and I tend to focus on just one until I get sick of it. I haven't touched my bass guitar in almost a year. I even bought a new to me one at a thrift store, and other than checking out the frets there I haven't touched it since bringing it home last spring. And we don't even want to get started on my model car stuff.

But right now I am enjoying playing with the 79 Pinto and am bound and determined to get it on the road by March. Although so far it is spending money 99% of the time, working on it 1%.

Just don't be like me and sell stuff, and then end up buying similar stuff later when I realize I still want to do it. Done that a few times with basses. I finally learned to at least keep one bass around no matter what. Much cheaper that way.

Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on November 23, 2018, 02:17:33 PM
Yeah. Not the best place for a starter.

If you have it in a place that isn't needed  for something else, try to just leave it there and forget about it until you feel like doing something to it again.

I'm really bad with hobbies. I have too many, and I tend to focus on just one until I get sick of it. I haven't touched my bass guitar in almost a year. I even bought a new to me one at a thrift store, and other than checking out the frets there I haven't touched it since bringing it home last spring. And we don't even want to get started on my model car stuff.

But right now I am enjoying playing with the 79 Pinto and am bound and determined to get it on the road by March. Although so far it is spending money 99% of the time, working on it 1%.

Just don't be like me and sell stuff, and then end up buying similar stuff later when I realize I still want to do it. Done that a few times with basses. I finally learned to at least keep one bass around no matter what. Much cheaper that way.

Russ
Yep you hit the nail on the head. I’m selling off my old Omni GLH since I don’t do anything with it. The Cavalier is a running, driving car and doesn’t need much. The pinto is well, hibernating lol. After I got sick this year I didn’t go back to it. Who knows maybe next year.


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Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 01, 2019, 01:41:29 PM
Nothing done with the car. Leaning towards scrapping it. Depression is real. Don't want to deal with it. If I do get rid of it I'll call a wrecker and have it junked
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on June 01, 2019, 09:49:17 PM
Nothing done with the car. Leaning towards scrapping it. Depression is real. Don't want to deal with it. If I do get rid of it I'll call a wrecker and have it junked

  Hi Matt!

It would be a shame to scrap it now but of course, it's your car and you can do as you wish. 

You're absolutely correct, depression is real.  Fortunately, there is a lot of real treatment for depression out there too.  It's never easy but, for your own sake, reach out and seek help before you do anything else.  The right treatment can make all the difference in the world.  We care.

Dwayne
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 02, 2019, 09:37:29 AM
Unfortunately it's been rough since last year. Flu twice, Quad injury and a job change that made life miserable effected me majorly. Didn't even touch the Cavalier for months. Been hard to find joy in anything, and put on about 20-25 lbs. I'm back in my old job now and will be locating a counselor once the insurance kicks in. Just irritating to get in the garage and see the car in the same state as when I was wiped out by the flu last May. Dead starter and torn apart front suspension. Just bad.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on June 02, 2019, 03:12:21 PM
Hey, Matt.

At least you only have one car to get irritated with. I have 3. And everything is my fault with them.

Trust me, I know how you are feeling. I've spent literally thousands on this 79, and it is basically in the same condition as when I bought it over a year ago. I have to see it everytime I go out the front door. Sometimes I wish I would go out there and find it gone.

Wish I was still in Ohio. We  could go get drunk.

What starter do you need for the Pinto? I've also got poly rack mount bushings, forgot I didn't have a stock rack on this car. Plus new T bolts for the upper control arms, 2 sets even. Forgot I had already ordered  one set from Speedway when I bought the second from Summit. If any of that will help you just send me your address. Don't need either, the tubular arms I bought came with them.

I've been living-or more like existing-with depression for over 30 years. All the drugs do is keep me from killing myself. Not a fun way to live. Not at all.

Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 02, 2019, 07:46:53 PM
Only one car? Not exactly. My other one is a Cavalier with a messed up steering column lol! The starter on the car was 8 months old when it failed. Damn dumb design being so close to the exhaust so it took all the heat. I know that's what literally cooked it. I had the battery tested since it was cranking slow and I thought no way could it be the starter. Even though both were newer. I don't go in my garage much due to a parts Cavalier wagon that I still need to pull the dash out, so I can get rid of the shell.

The rack itself is still mounted in the car, although the entire rack should be replaced due to bad seals. For now it just gets new tie rods, and bellows to replaced the one that melted from the fire of 2013. I have the suspension bushings but haven't done anything with them to get them in the replacement control arms I got from Carlisle 2011.

Unfortunately my job change made me more miserable than before to where I quit caring.This week was the Ford Nationals in Carlisle, but haven't wanted to even do little car shows. My Dad wants to go to the Chevy Nationals in Carlisle and take the Cavalier. Hopefully that'll help ignite the spark that has fizzled.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: russosborne on June 02, 2019, 09:50:21 PM
Hmmm, something is wrong. The starters on these lasted years in that position. Was this most recent starter new when you got it? Assuming not, since if so you could get a replacement free under warranty.
Have you checked/replaced the battery cables? Don't go stock size, go up one or two. Like 2ga instead of 4ga.
DEI makes a heat shield wrap that you can wrap around the starter if it really is a heat issue.
https://www.summitracing.com/search/brand/design-engineering-dei/part-type/starter-heat-shield-wraps
But again, if it is, there is something else wrong. Unless you are running a header, and I don't think you are.

Is your rack power or manual?

Russ
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: pinto_one on June 03, 2019, 09:10:59 AM
I see this offten when luck turns bad and want to give up ,  Don,t .  just take a few steps back and look things over and hit the problem .  I have been there quit a few times in my life , knowing these cars (pinto ) they will run forever with some care and fixing problems before they get too big ,, a starter problem is no diffrent than the starters on the airfraft I work on , (Cessna aircraft use the same kind of alternator the pinto has )  and we have to find why your starter failed , guy come to me and ask why his $1000 buck stater died , my reply is I dont know and put on a new $1000 buck starter and then find out why it failed ,  the engine is very hard to start and he just keeps on cranking untel it does , I saw in past post you had carb problems and a small fire , one is you car hard to start to begin with , two , are the cables to the starter are the org ones that came with the car ? same for the battery cables , got a good battery , great . just work on the starter and cables , once you get that fixed your half way there, if the car is hard ti crank got to look at the carb , was it damaged from the fire or replaced after ?  the back fire when cranking might also point to ign problem , bad cap and rotor from age , cheep to replace , and when you do try to start the car again do not crank more than 10 seconds at a time , a min rest between starts , after the third try give 30 mins cool time ,  the location of the starter is fine , they last for years , best if you buy one from napa with a lifetime warnity ,and last , do not scrap the car , waste to do so , too many have been sent to the yards when they can be saved , hope this helps you in some way , later Blaine
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 09, 2019, 07:22:25 AM
Hmmm, something is wrong. The starters on these lasted years in that position. Was this most recent starter new when you got it? Assuming not, since if so you could get a replacement free under warranty.
Have you checked/replaced the battery cables? Don't go stock size, go up one or two. Like 2ga instead of 4ga.
DEI makes a heat shield wrap that you can wrap around the starter if it really is a heat issue.
https://www.summitracing.com/search/brand/design-engineering-dei/part-type/starter-heat-shield-wraps
But again, if it is, there is something else wrong. Unless you are running a header, and I don't think you are.

Is your rack power or manual?

Russ

Yeah, the starter that was on the car was an older unit that worked great when I bought the car, and died days after I changed the engine. I was not happy about that since I had the old one tested before installing it. The replacement I think was a new unit, with the lifetime warranty. I THINK. I'm certain about the warranty,  but not certain about it being new vs remanned. Nope, no header. Only difference is it's got the down pipe from my 77 parts car, instead of the original 1980 downpipe that had the pre-converter set up

Power rack
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: r4pinto on June 09, 2019, 08:29:40 AM
I see this offten when luck turns bad and want to give up ,  Don,t .  just take a few steps back and look things over and hit the problem .  I have been there quit a few times in my life , knowing these cars (pinto ) they will run forever with some care and fixing problems before they get too big ,, a starter problem is no diffrent than the starters on the airfraft I work on , (Cessna aircraft use the same kind of alternator the pinto has )  and we have to find why your starter failed , guy come to me and ask why his $1000 buck stater died , my reply is I dont know and put on a new $1000 buck starter and then find out why it failed ,  the engine is very hard to start and he just keeps on cranking untel it does , I saw in past post you had carb problems and a small fire , one is you car hard to start to begin with , two , are the cables to the starter are the org ones that came with the car ? same for the battery cables , got a good battery , great . just work on the starter and cables , once you get that fixed your half way there, if the car is hard ti crank got to look at the carb , was it damaged from the fire or replaced after ?  the back fire when cranking might also point to ign problem , bad cap and rotor from age , cheep to replace , and when you do try to start the car again do not crank more than 10 seconds at a time , a min rest between starts , after the third try give 30 mins cool time ,  the location of the starter is fine , they last for years , best if you buy one from napa with a lifetime warnity ,and last , do not scrap the car , waste to do so , too many have been sent to the yards when they can be saved , hope this helps you in some way , later Blaine

It's more than the car. When you're dealing with depression you don't want to do anything. I've been fighting it on and off for close to 20 years. I don't ever touch the car due to one event or another. It's to where I don't want to touch the car, and scrapping it is a way to get rid of it. That's how it's being looked at currently, and it's due to the depression.

As for the other issues I've checked everything and know it is the starter. The car ran fine before, other than the choke issue. Carburetors are not my specialty, as I went to both Eastland Career Center and college for Automotive Technology but dealt with more modern fuel injected cars, not to mention bad advice on carburetors I received in the past from certain people who shall remain nameless. I have replaced everything as a precaution due to the fire, so I know what you're saying about those particular parts. Battery was the first place I started since it's right there. The carb came off a good running car. Same car as the engine. Wiring was donated by another member on this site since I didn't have a good harness after the fire. Distributor was shot due to the fire, so I used the one that was on the engine that was installed. A distributor that was rebuilt in 2009 and worked perfectly when the engine was in the 77. Timing spot on, as was the timing belt. I get what you're saying, but you're not hitting on the one thing Russ did... Where I got the starter from. I bought from Autozone, which is hit or miss. This time it missed. Starter is pulling too many amps, and needs replaced.  I just got off the phone and found it was a new unit, but unfortunately those can fail, like re manufactured. Good thing since reman only had one year.  I know the carb isn't correct for the year, and have the old one for a core. The engine ran great with that carb. Good power and starting. Just not running the best when cold due to the choke issue. Will a different carb fix that? Possibly, but not certain.

In my case it sits in the garage, untouched with the front end halfway torn off, and a dead starter. I appreciate your encouragement and suggestions, but the bigger issue is just not wanting to work on the car, and lack of motivation. It's nice when people you don't know offer words of encouragement. I know the depression is a big part of the lack of motivation. Haven't wanted to do anything, let alone touch that car.

 If I do get back to the car I did put fuel stabilizer in the tank, so that'll help keep the gas from turning on me.
Title: Re: New project... 1980 Runabout
Post by: dga57 on June 09, 2019, 01:44:25 PM
Matt,

I've only met you once in person, as you know, but have known you through this forum for the entire twelve years that I've been here.  Between Harold II and this Pinto, you have often been one of the more prolific posters on the site.  I understand how clinical depression can affect your interest in doing anything, but I, along with most of the long-time members here, would hate to see you throw in the towel after all the hard work you've done.  If there's anything we can do to help, let us know.  We do care!

Dwayne :)