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My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« on: March 08, 2014, 04:24:16 PM »
I guess I'll start this here. I am acquiring parts. So far, Mustang II oil pan, frame mounts,  used stock 5.0 rustang HO roller cam, early "Power By Ford" valve covers. No car yet. lol I am looking at 2. a VERY solid 76 Bobcat tat doesn't run. Auto, P/S and disc brakes. The other is a 76 Pinto, 2.3, 4 speed, daily driver. It has some rust, but seems to be minimal. Probably going with the Pinto since my plans include a T5. I think it will be much less work. I guess I will get pictures of parts when I get them together. Hay, it's a start.

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2014, 06:05:44 PM »
Cool, looking forward to the progress.
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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 04:53:05 PM »
Found a good set of rustang II exhaust manifolds and they are on the way. Looks like I'll have everything but the car before long. lol

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2014, 05:09:44 PM »
Found a good set of rustang II exhaust manifolds and they are on the way. Looks like I'll have everything but the car before long. lol

Are you doing a Johnny Cash song? LOL
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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2014, 05:45:39 PM »
Yeah, it's lookin like one piece at a time alright. I just got back from the mailbox with my V8 frame mounts. It's trickling in. lol

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2014, 06:47:48 PM »
LOL :)
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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2014, 08:22:58 PM »
Well, I had my decision narrowed to a 4 speed Pinto and an auto Bobcat. The Pinto is an everyday driver. The Bobcat will, run but needs fuel system work. No biggie. I have decided on the Bobcat. It's cheaper than the Pinto and the body is rock solid. It is a factory P/S, air and manual disc brake car but with an auto, so I will need standard transmission pedals for a 74 and up Bobcat/Pinto. If anybody has some, I am interested. I am really excited. I will have the bobcat here by April 15th. Will post pictures when I get it.

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2014, 11:05:43 PM »
A few pictures of my parts acquisitions.

Stock 5.0 carbureted intake. Blasted primed with VHT 2000* primer and painted dark Ford blue. Like the rest of the engine will be. Exhaust manifolds blasted and primed with VHT 2000* and painted with 2000* ceramic silver. And my big score I got today. An 8" Mustang II rear end with 3.40 gears. Very complete right down to E brake cables. Not pictured are my frame mounts, oil pan and pickup. I found some mounts and they are on the way. All this and no car yet. lol But it's comin.

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 03:48:47 PM »
Gosh, what a hot thread. lol Anyway, I got a 1999 GT40P Explorer engine today. Going to freshen it up with new rings and bearings, oil pump timing set and put the Mustang 5.0 roller cam in it. The Mustang cam is a little bigger than the Explorer cam. Going to pick the engine up probably Wednesday or Thursday and going to get the Bobcat Saturday. Pictures forthcoming.

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2014, 08:26:51 PM »
Okay so where is the car ????? You have everything else....Rob... So are you going to put a EFI system in the car or are you going to back fit a carb and what ever distributor system you can find...
If your keeping the EFI check out the Aeromotive Phantom fuel system, it is an add on in tank fuel system" no welding or sumps needed", at about $500.00 or so it might be the cure all for EFI swaps fuel problems like I can't run the gas down past 1/4 tank etc. When I finally get my taxes done that's what I'm putting in my 2.3 Turbo Pinto...

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2014, 08:45:02 PM »
Naw, I been turnin wrenches since 1974. Seen FWD and EFI come into vogue and worked on way more than I ever wanted to. IMHO, I think the melding of the car and computer was the biggest clusterfu%k that ever happened to the automobile. Takes the average joe's ability away from diagnosing his own car in his own driveway and saving himself some money. When it works, it's a good thing, but when it's on the fritz, it's a pile os sh!t. Jes sayin. No, this old white boy is stickin with a carburetor. Probably gonna run one of them new Demon 625 3 barrel carburetors. Read good things about them. For ignition I am just gonna run the good old Ford Duraspark.

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2014, 04:07:43 PM »
Just got back with this. A 1999 Explorer GT40P 5.0. From here on out known as the Bobcat motor.

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2014, 05:07:54 PM »
Is that a difficult swap?
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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2014, 09:48:29 PM »
No Dianne, not at all. 74 and up it is a direct bolt in using the right parts. I did a 72 about 30 years ago. Had to clearance the firewall. But the 74 and up cars you don't have to do that. Makes you wonder why Ford didn't offer the 302 in the Pinto/Bobcat. Well......I know why. That would have stolen the rustang's thunder.

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2014, 10:01:54 PM »
Is there any headers that fit or do you have to use the cast iron manifolds??..
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2014, 10:16:47 PM »
Hooker still makes headers, but they are not budget conscience. I am building this engine so mild, manifolds will not hold it back at all. I am not 100% sure on this, but I have read that the very manifolds I have on the engine in the above picture will fit in the Pinto/Bobcat chassis. If they do, they would certainly flow much better than the rustangII manifolds. But I have no direct experience so I cannot say for sure. I have had over 200 cars and most of them had headers. I want something permanent that will not rust and I don't have to crawl my old butt all over the ground fixin leaks. I am too old for that mess anymore.

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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2014, 10:33:11 PM »
Yeah, Hooker is pricey alright but for a stocker I guess manifolds will work, the thought has been going through my head about converting if the 2.3 starts giving me trouble. I can relate about crawling under cars though, it's getting real old, LOL..
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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2014, 10:42:53 PM »
I say stock, but technically, it is not. Ford never offered the Mustang 5.0 roller cam in the GT40P explorer engine. That is what I am going to do. Tear it down, freshen it up and put a used 5.0 Mustang GT stock roller cam in it. The Mustang cam is a little bigger than the Explorer cam. The Explorer GT40P engine has the best flowing heads Ford ever offered on the 302, besides the Boss 302, but they never offered that engine in the Mustang with the Mustang cam. Go figure. I will probably blueprint compression as high as I think pump gas around here can stand.....prob ably 9.5 or there abouts. Other than that, stock. Should be fun and reliable in a Bobcat with a T5 5 speed and 3.40 gears.

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2014, 10:49:59 PM »
Sounds like it should be a real nice package when it's done.
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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2014, 02:13:03 PM »
Got the engine torn down last night. I have been a mechanic since 1974 and torn down a LOT of engines. It never ceases to amaze me when tearing down a newer year model engine like this 1999, how good a condition everything is in.

I don't know if that's from being fuel injected or the newer oil formulation or what. This engine had 174K miles on it, yet still has STRONG cross hatch in the cylinders, only a stain where the ridges would be. It will not even catch a fingernail. Almost NO witness marks on the camshaft lobes, no marks on the lifter rollers and no scores on the crankshaft. The piston skirts still have the knurls so strong on them that you do not have to use your fingernails to feel them. Absolutely amazing.

Would yall be interested in a basic valve job how to thread? I do as much of my own basic machine work as I can and if there's some interest, I will be glad to do it, since I am going to do the job anyway.

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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2014, 07:43:20 PM »
Quote
Gosh, what a hot thread

652 (+) views......we are watching  ;D

I always watch V8 swap topics.
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2014, 08:38:39 PM »
Saw an Old's in a Pinto one time. It was engine fender well to fender well. I asked him how he got the engine to fit. He told me he just lowered the engine in till it wouldn't go any farther and tie it down with a chain on each side, and drove it. I looked under it and sure enough, no motor mounts. TOP THAT ONE REEVES 1. Harff/harff/harff.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2014, 08:54:35 PM »
Ugly Yellow had two loose 3/8" bolts holding the engine in. Stock Pinto trans mount, one bolt.
Only thing holding the engine up was the rack !
Side to side , the exhaust manifolds against the frame rails !

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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2014, 10:31:32 PM »
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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2014, 02:55:34 PM »
We got back just a little bit ago. Here is the ever elusive Bobcat. I am really excited.


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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2014, 02:58:10 PM »
One more. It's amazingly solid. Disc brakes, power steering, factory air, but it's missing. 2.8 V6 auto. The brakes even work!

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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2014, 07:46:04 PM »
Looks good..  ;)
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2014, 10:27:53 PM »
Very nice, solid-looking car!  Enjoy!
 
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Re: My Pinto...er....Bobcat....err....sumffin....lol
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2014, 06:42:50 PM »
Got the gas tank out. It's not rusted out, but it has some THICK crud on the bottom. Got detergent soakin in it in the front yard. See what it looks like after a day or so. I will empty it out and throw a short length of chain in it and shake it violently and that will help clean it out. If it looks good after that, I will have it coated on the inside. Got the carburetor apart and soaking. I am gonna try to get it running as is because I need a car. Since the brakes do work, that's a little less work to do.

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2014, 07:58:46 PM »
Its about time you got a car lol. I have started acquiring parts for my Pinto V8 swap I'm in the engine modification stage at the moment. The engine is a 351W that has been changed to a 408 Stroker it's almost a running engine lol so far the engine is twice the cost of a new Pinto!! The car is going to drive like a Squirrel every were but straight! Keep the pictures coming. Are you going to port and polish your heads they will follow just like GT40 heads!!
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