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Re: My pandemic project!
« Reply #90 on: July 29, 2021, 03:09:19 PM »
The more I drive it, the better it is running. I drove it 622 miles total last week at the Pinto Stampede using the seafoam.  I, however, had a problem with the idle pulley and the AC clutch during the trip home.  The belt was removed and it ran beautifully.  As AC compressor replacement was done at the shop (as I did not want to deal with the freon etc.), I scheduled an appointment for the second week in August to have it looked at again, as I feel the AC clutch is not working properly and the idle pulley probably should be replaced. We shall see.

Anyway, I really enjoyed the Pinto Stampede, meeting the people, seeing the cars, and touring the sights, despite the "Monsoon weather" we had!  The show day was the only day it did not rain, but the grassy knoll was rather soggy!  ;-) To my surprise and delight, it won an award for Best of Show!  We also toured the Rousch Factory, Snookie's car museum, Wagner's Auto collection, and the retired Ford Global Division executive, Mike Bernard's personal car collection. Impressive!!! Once I get the opportunity, I will post some pics.

Hope all is well at your end!

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« Reply #91 on: July 29, 2021, 11:38:13 PM »
Hey Dan,

Frankly, I'm not the least bit surprised that your Squire wagon won "Best of Show" - it is in phenomenal condition! 

Glad to hear you enjoyed the Pinto Stampede and am anxiously awaiting those pictures!!!

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« Reply #92 on: July 30, 2021, 09:07:59 PM »
I've read your project beginning to end. I agree with post 81 or 82, you've done all the right things. I am fascinated at how quickly you got everything accomplished. You commented on having the new carpet installed. Can carpet kits still be found for a Pinto? Mine is a '74 Runabout. Should I check with the outfit that did your visors? And, you got your tires from Coker?

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« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2021, 05:02:53 PM »
Hi PintoRoy!

I got my carpets through SMS Auto Fabrics, who subcontracted it to ACC carpets. If your carpets are of typical colors like black, red, etc., you would be best advised to cut out SMS and deal with ACC directly to circumvent the markups…in my situation, I had the hard to find Vaquero colored interior, so it was worth the markup to get a better color match as they have the capability to order colors that may not be as readily available.

As for the visors, SMS had the same said colors in the factory correct Tier vinyl fabric. They carry all factory colors. I would recommend them for that service…with a caveat…if you are seeking black, save your cash by going with those available online as they are half the price. Other than black, SMS is the way to go. Let me know what color you are seeking, and I will do my best to find the link for you.

As for the tires, Coker is who I went with as they had them in stock with the WSW tires that I wanted as I am more of a purist…if black walls are what you are seeking, they have those as well but you might find them for less elsewhere…but as I have said before, I was amazed out of all the parts I sought for, the tires was the most elusive for me! When I speak with others, they have shared my sentiments as well… what size are you hoping for? I can try to look around for availability for ya?

As for the speed of my project…a lot has to do with having more time during the pandemic, and the motivation to get it ready for the Pinto Stampede. The stampede was almost the biggest carrot that I ever had as a motivator! Chuckling…

Thanks Dewayne for your kind words, and I will try to get those pictures posted by tomorrow…

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« Reply #94 on: August 02, 2021, 08:19:51 AM »
I am not necessarily a purist Dan, but I do appreciate a good stock restoration project. I tend to like to have personal touches to my vehicles, whether they be performance oriented, or comfort oriented (or both), sometimes with some mild bodywork modifications.
I have not yet decided which tire size I want, but would like something just a little wider than stock.  I checked that Facebook ad that you sent me a link to on my project thread. I was pleased to see that if I so choose, I can find 14" and even 15" 4 bolt rims. That would open up a larger selection of tires.
As for my interior, I began going black when the car got painted white in the middle '80s. The current carpet is a red/orange shag house carpet left over from a home remodel my parents did in the mid-late '80s. I have black door panels, kick panels, and luggage side panels. The headliner and dash pad are the original avocado green. Dash pad was the first thing I replaced when I bought the car in 81, I bought it the original green at the time, and later as I began charging colors, I painted it black, and also put a dash carpet cover over it. It should still be in decent shape if it has not gotten dry and brittle.

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« Reply #95 on: August 18, 2021, 09:56:01 PM »
Quite the story on your wagon. I noticed the Ohio plates. Nice to see another Ohio Pinto owner. Just got myself a squire wagon, although the way it looks you can't call it much of a wagon. More of an embarrassment on wheels lol. I have an 80 runabout in the garage that will give some parts before I sell it. Yours though is somewhat helpful. I'll for sure keep that woodgrain company in mind once my body gets to where it'll be worthy of higher priced vinyl. For now... Dollar tree contact paper. It'll at least look better than what's on it.  Any other plans for your car or just enjoying it now?
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« Reply #96 on: September 08, 2021, 12:09:39 AM »
Yes, I am about twenty minutes from you per your profile info.

I just replaced the p/s pump and p/s hoses, idle pulley, and the AC clutch. I am behind with my forum/blog as for adding narratives and pictures…I will try to catch up soon!

Contact paper is definitely a cheaper route to take. I saw another red 1974 Pinto Squire wagon at the Pinto Stampede, and that owner used contact paper. The color was pretty good match, not perfect but only Pinto owners would know the difference. He told me it lasted for a couple of years before it struck and bubbled up. If you keep it as a fair weather car, you might get away for several more years…the advantage of contact paper is that it is not permanent, so you can just peel it off and reapply another…the trim pieces that surround the wood siding is much more of a challenge due to the indentations and curvature…the 3M stuff was difficult to apply so I would imagine it would be nearly impossible to get the contact paper to adhere!

If you need help to locate trim pieces or parts, let me know! If you need motivation, let me know and I’ll bring my Squire over…

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« Reply #97 on: September 08, 2021, 10:39:48 AM »
Thanks! Always good to get encouragement. Right now I’d be happy if the seats weren’t falling through the floor. She’s very rough. Seeing yours is inspirational and eventually I will be doing ac in it. You know how our weather is. 10 months of winter, construction, and hot as shizod with about 2 weeks of nice weather . I saved the name of the company that did your vinyl work and am familiar with plain city so I’ll let them do the trim. That’ll of course be later down the road when it’s better to look at. Wouldn’t mind going to the shriner’s car show if they have it again. Been a few years since I went to it.


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« Reply #98 on: September 09, 2021, 10:50:27 AM »
What color is your interior? I may have some interior pieces that might be helpful. If you are looking for replacement floor pans, I would reach out to dismantling yards in the SW part of the county like Arizona.  As for reproductions, there aren't any...but it would be worth while to check out Ford Mustang reproduction parts catalogs and try to get the closest match that you could find as they both share the same fox platform.

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« Reply #99 on: September 09, 2021, 04:27:00 PM »
I have a 1980 runabout I will cut the floor out of and use it. As for reproduction pans they have been made for about a year and are approx $100 per section. All but one section of my floor is good.
My interior is red, and except for the seats the interior isn't bad. I do need to take care of new carpet, headliner, and seats. The plastic panels though aren't bad. ui
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« Reply #100 on: May 19, 2022, 02:27:20 PM »
Sorry for being out of touch!  I have been so busy with work and family!  I am resurfacing now as I plan to attend the Ford nationals at Carlisle in two weeks.  I needed to see what I have missed in the last few months! Any of you planning on bringing your Pinto to Carlisle???

I also noticed an issue with my Pinto, and wondered if any of you had ever experienced this or not.  When I first start my Pinto, it starts up fine, but the turn signals and speedometer would not work until it warms up and then I turn it off and restart it...the speedo and signals works like if nothing happened. What's the culprit of this?

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« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2022, 12:08:25 AM »
Never experienced that with a Pinto but I inherited my dad's 1983 Ford pickup when he died in 2004 and had a similar problem.  It didn't happen every time, but often enough to be annoying.  Turned out that the problem was in the ignition switch.  Replaced it and the problem was solved.  Not saying this will fix your Pinto, but it might be worth looking into.


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« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2022, 02:24:39 PM »
How should I test the ignition switch? It is not earth shattering, but like you said…it’s annoying!

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« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2022, 11:51:49 PM »
How should I test the ignition switch? It is not earth shattering, but like you said…it’s annoying!

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Beats me!  I am NOT a mechanic.  I took the truck to the mechanic my dad always used and he replaced the switch and fixed the problem.  Sorry I can't be of more help, but the simple act of turning it off and restarting it matches up with what was happening with my truck  and it affected the turn signals and speedometer... just like your Pinto. 

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« Reply #104 on: May 21, 2022, 09:43:20 AM »
Is the ignition module the same as the ignition switch?

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« Reply #105 on: May 21, 2022, 02:45:49 PM »
The ignition module is not the same as the ignition switch. The module mounts on the inner fender in the engine compartment. The switch is at the base of the steering column.( at least in a 77). Unless it changed after 78, the speedometer is driven by a cable from the transmission. Not sure why you would have an intermittent issue but check both ends of the cable are secure. Who knows when it comes to the turn signals. You could change the flasher but I say that only because its relatively cheap and easy to do. Testing with a volt meter at different points in the circuit would be the way to go. But when it comes to electrical issues in an old car check all your grounds especially at the light sockets.

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« Reply #106 on: May 21, 2022, 08:25:12 PM »
It’s interesting you mentioned the flasher, as that unit was replaced last year. I will recheck the connections. As for checking the grounds at the light sockets…please elaborate as I am unsure how to do that?

Like Dwayne experienced.. the speedo is dead with no turn signals…but once I drive it a mile or so, shut it down and restart…Speedo and signals works like nothing happened!

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« Reply #107 on: May 21, 2022, 09:27:05 PM »
Mainly check for corrosion of the socket where it mounts in the housing and the contact points for the bulbs. Do your parking lights and emergency flashers do the same? Someone more experienced than me my have some input but I don't see how the 2 problems are related. As far as I know the speedometer is purely mechanical with no electrical input.  Have you ever had your gauge cluster out? Perhaps the speedo cable and the wiring harness are both loose.

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« Reply #108 on: May 21, 2022, 11:43:14 PM »
As I said, I am NOT a mechanic and, based on messages posted after mine, I suspect I used the wrong terminology when I said "ignition switch".  The part that was replaced on my '83 Ford pickup was the one the key goes into and turns to start the engine, located on the right side of the steering column... whatever that's called. 

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« Reply #109 on: May 23, 2022, 11:21:58 AM »
When you say the turn signals AND the speedometer won't work are you referring to the lights that illuminate the speedometer, or the indicator needle doesn't move even if the lights are off (daytime)?

The turn signals and the needle moving aspect of the speedometer are two distinct problems. A loose speedometer cable can be the problem either where it attaches at the transmission.. ., or under the dashboard. Also the lubrication in the speedometer cable can dry out. In cold weather it gets worse. Since the cable is a wound spiral it will twist and store energy until there is enough to break it free of the hardened lubrication. This will result in a speedometer that reads nothing for a moment, then snaps to a higher than speed reading and commonly waves the needle back and forth. As the car heats up this can often free the lubrication enough that it eventually works properly. Otherwise the speedometer itself can be at fault. The bearing isn't suppose to need lubrication (in theory it is built in) but I have had old cars where a drop of light oil helped things.

As to the turn indicators I would disconnect/re-connect the connector at the steering column. This can sometime remove corrosion (if that is the point of the problem). As mentioned the grounds can be a problem at or near the light socket. All DC circuits work on a plus and minus polarity. To save on the cost of wire the manufactures use the whole steel body as the minus side of the circuit and run specific wires for the plus side. Corrosion can occur where the bulb and the light socket meet, where the light socket and the light housing meet or where the light housing and the car body meet. SOMETIMES (some sockets are surrounded by a rubber boot) you can take a length of wire, attach it to a clean, bare metal part of the car and then if visible the bare body of the socket. If the light lights then the problem is somewhere in the contact points of the mentioned grounds. Lastly, like the lubrication in the speedometer the contact points of the turn signals also have a grease like lubrication. Intended to inhibit wear and spark it too can harden and become an insulator.

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« Reply #110 on: May 23, 2022, 04:16:16 PM »
Sorry for being out of touch!  I have been so busy with work and family!  I am resurfacing now as I plan to attend the Ford nationals at Carlisle in two weeks.  I needed to see what I have missed in the last few months! Any of you planning on bringing your Pinto to Carlisle???

I also noticed an issue with my Pinto, and wondered if any of you had ever experienced this or not.  When I first start my Pinto, it starts up fine, but the turn signals and speedometer would not work until it warms up and then I turn it off and restart it...the speedo and signals works like if nothing happened. What's the culprit of this?

Dan


My turn signals did the same thing. They seemed to work, occasionally, after they "warmed up". I finally replaced the turn signal switch with the listed switch below, D6OZ13341B. Rock Auto is sold out so I bought one on Ebay.


1975 FORD PINTO 2.3L 140cid L4 Turn Signal Switch | RockAuto


d6oz13341b: Search Result | eBay

The original switch was crusty with old dry lube and corrosion. The switches aren't cheap, but my turn signals now work perfectly. Note- this switch is for fixed steering columns.
Hope this helps you out.

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« Reply #111 on: May 25, 2022, 03:03:07 PM »
Did your speedometer stop working as well? If yes, and the switch did the trick for you…I will definately give that a try. Can you confirm your Speedo stopped or not?

I hope to see you at Carlisle,😀🚘

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« Reply #112 on: May 25, 2022, 04:00:38 PM »
Take a look at the picture associated with reply#66.  Make sure the cable with the white gear on the end is secure. As you probably know that is your speedo cable with the driven speedometer gear on the end. There is a gear internal to the transmission that drives that white gear. That white gear can be changed to adjust for different tire sizes and rear axel ratios. The gears are made with several different numbers of teeth. While you’re at it, might want to make sure the gear is in good shape. As stated previously if still a problem could try cable lube and or lube speedo head.  Looks like new cables are available. While changing the turn signal switch could fix your turn signal problem, it will not fix your speedometer. It’s purely mechanical driven by that cable.

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« Reply #113 on: May 26, 2022, 12:35:03 AM »
My speedometer never stopped working. I did lubricate the cable once. It was squealing or the speedo needle was jumping. I can't remember which now. 

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« Reply #114 on: May 27, 2022, 07:12:03 PM »
Thanks for the tips! I learned something new about the gearing adjustments…I knew there was a way to make such changes when you use a different tires…but didn’t know exactly where! How much of a change in tire size before it requires a gear adjustment?

Nevertheless, that was not the issue with my car…both Speedo and turn signals would not work unless t drive it a mile or so, turn it off, and restart…then both worked as nothing happened.

A neighbor said it could be a faulty ground? Your thoughts? Where would I start to look if that’s the case?

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« Reply #115 on: May 27, 2022, 08:56:32 PM »
For the Pinto an inch increase in tire diameter  from stock will throw the speedometer off by about 3 mph.( assuming it is calibrated correctly to begin with). Using a speedometer gear with one less tooth will adjust for that. If the tire diameter is smaller than stock would want to go up in tooth number.
   Not to sound like a broken record( and someone correct me if I’m wrong) but your speedometer has no electrical input. There is no ground in the system. You have a mechanical problem.
  With regards to the turn signals corrosion at the bulbs/ sockets would be there areas where ground would most likely be a problem. Also consider a bad bulb. But your parking lights and emergency flashers might act the same way. If they work normally without the start stop you mention try swapping the emergency flasher for the turn signal flasher.

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« Reply #116 on: May 28, 2022, 11:27:55 AM »
The tires are from Coker Tires, Maxxis WSW 175/80R 13; The original sized 165’s were impossible to find. What’s the size difference between 165 and 175s? I was told it was like a quarter inch…but I am thinking if those numbers are in metric, so that would be ten milimeters. That’s .39 inches if my math serves me correctly. Less than half an inch…would that make it 1.5 mph difference rather than your quoted three miles? Odometer Reading more or less? 🤔

Secondly, you made an excellent point about the Speedo being mechanical thus should be unrelated to the turn signals, which is electrical in nature…but oddly they stopped working until I restart the car. It hasn’t happened in the last couple of days as I am driving it more (it hibernates during the winter months). Fingers crossed that it was just a quirky thing that resolves itself…I know, I know…nothing resolves itself, but I can only hope! 🤞🏻

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« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2022, 02:37:49 PM »
I wasn't referring to your specific tire situation rather a generic statement. Speedometer changes are due to changes in tire diameter not width. There are online calculators you can find to compare your old tire diameter to the new. There are also online calculators to figure what speedometer gear you would use. The size of the tires that were on your car when you got it may not have been what it left the factory with. If your speedometer reading is close ( like  within 3 MPH @ 60 MPH) to what you get when you check it against a GPS then you are good to go.

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« Reply #118 on: May 29, 2022, 08:08:11 AM »
Awesome suggestion about the gps to compare against the Speedo! I will def do that as I may be worrying about nothing!

You are right…I don’t know what I was thinking when I typed the nbr was sidewall measurements rather than the width…chuckling…

The tire shopping measurements I used was taken off the car’s orginal price sticker, which proved the 165 numbers.

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Dan
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