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Title: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 14, 2020, 11:21:36 AM
Two scores and three weeks ago,ummm,oh, yeah, this is a Pinto website not a Lincoln  one! My bad...

Anyway, I purchased my first Pinto as a high school senior, a 1979 station wagon with the exterior decor group (not a woody) with a 2.3 liter 4-banger and a stick shift. It had the paint option of Medium Red Glow. I purchased it from my dad's colleague at Hancock AFB when it was a year old, as he got himself a bigger car. It proved to be an awesome car for a kid going away to college! It carried all of my worldly goods back and forth between home and the University every summer recess. Not to mention all the road trips up and down the coast to visit college chums, girlfriends, and road trips on spring break!

Needless to say, I ended up trading it in for a Toyota Corona, which was also a great car...but that's another story for a different day! Since then, I regretted selling the Pinto as it was my first car...just like your first love! I have kept in touch with my friends over the years, and without fail, they would bring up my Pinto! We all had great times and memories!

Two years ago, I started looking for my first car and was not surprised that it was no longer around being a car in the Salt state of New York. Therefore, I did a national search across the country using many websites and search engines of reputable car clubs and magazines like Hemmings. My first car color was no where to be found! I did come across two. One was a basket case Runabout, and the other was a hot-Rodded Wagon with a blank Cruising Wagon panels.  I have nothing against retsomods and hot-rods as they are unique and mostly well-crafted, but I wanted a stock wagon just like my first car...I finally expanded my search to include all colors and did inquire on two...a red wagon in Michigan and a brown one in Palm Beach, and had both inspected by a classic car appraisal firm.

When both inspections passed my standards, things became rather challenging! The red one was priced at 6000 and it was restored as new. As I made an offer, I learned that he decided to consign the car with a classic car dealer. The price doubled. As I attempted to meet them half way between the old and new price, another classic car dealer in Sarasota brought it as I called to finalize the deal. That car price is now nearly $16,000 and still remains for sale there. A nice car, but I bowed out. I moved on to the Hemmings Motor News ad in Palm Beach. Nice guy, but he was firm with his $15k asking price and the inspection shown that I would need to do additional work (weatherstrippi ng, tank draining, minor mechanical work like a tune up). I decided to bite the bullet and said that I would do the deal...he would not do escrow that I wanted to do to protect both sides. He may be honest, but after hearing so many horrific stories, I withdrew.

I was in despair thinking that I would never find one...and ready to throw in the towel...when I decided to look again and to my surprise I found an ad of a private sale of a 1980 Pinto Squire Wagon in Venice, Florida several miles from my dads house. I called my brother and sister in law to take a look at it. It was priced reasonably leaving lots of room for any additional work it may have needed. Long story short...the seller lived a hour from me here in Ohio and the car is her Florida car in Venice. I tried to upload 4 pictures for your viewing, but the box popped up saying it does not allow JPEG. How do I convert it from JPEG to JPG format???

It is in very good condition as I purchased it from a 86 year old lady who inherited it from a 91 year old friend who died. It spend its life in Florida as a snowbird's winter car after the first year in Ohio. The body is amazingly rust free, and the interior is nearly immaculate other than the faded carpet. I plan to either re dye or replace the carpet and the vinyl sidewalls in the cargo bay as they are really faded. The color is Vaquero (H2) which is sort of reddish brown and impossible to find the carpet in that color. I was able to locate the carpet with SMS Auto Fabrics in Canby, Oregon.

I was amazed that I found NOS wood siding at Green Sales in Cincinnati. I plan to strip the faded siding and replace with the new one. The paint is in really good condition so I plan to leave it as is (Bright Bittersweet 2G). Mechanically, it runs well when warmed up...but when started cold, it sounds like an old geezer with COPD! I think I am spoiled by fuel injection these days so it was like a shock at first! I had to retrain myself in starting procedures as unlike a fuel injection engine, I have to turn the key on, not start, and pump slowly three or four times and then start. Its starts right up and you don't have to do the steps to start the car again until the next day as it starts fine as a warmed engine.

I completed a tune up, replaced all the fluids, gaskets, filters, PCV, and the like. Hopefully that will improve the cold starts. As it was a Florida car, the previous owner's mechanic bypassed the heater core, as they apparently don't need heat. I plan to reinstall it and hopefully there is no problem with the heater box as there must be a reason of bypassing it? I plan to replace both if needed be in the Spring while doing the AC recharge/conversion.

As the auto-shipping firm damaged the lower front valance panel loading or unloading the car, I faced the task of seeking a replacement. I was unsuccessful in doing so with dismantling yards, eBay, NOS parts retailers, and the like. It was frustrating as the panel as whole was in very good condition with the bolt holes on one side broken off. I saw on this Pinto website about Showcars Unlimited in Foxboro, Ontario. I contacted him and he sells spoilers but had no valance panels as he was unable to find one that was not damaged to create a mold. I explained about mine, and he was excited as he wanted one to create a mold of. He said that he could try to rebuilt the bolt bracket piece and then create a new mold. I agreed and shipped him the panel. I will keep you updated as that might become a source for you to replace your damaged or missing valance panels of your 1979 or 1980 units if he proves successful in replicating it by making fiberglass molds. Fingers crossed!

Another area in need of my attention is the powered rack and pinion steering rack as it is leaking from the boots. It seems to steer just fine, so I am wondering if it could be rebuilt or should I simply replace it with a new unit? That'll be my summer project in 2021.

The tires...OMG! I thought that would be an easier item to locate. 165/80-13 wsw are rarer than hens teeth! I have a set on back order with Coker Tire, and just been notified it will not arrive until Jan 2021!!! I already had one tire go flat due to dry rot, so I replaced it with a trailer tire so I can move it around or drive it locally. What are you folks doing for tires on yours?

Oh golly, I yakked your ear off enough already!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 22, 2020, 01:52:37 PM
As I know that some of you have been following my project under the General Pinto Talk section of the forum, but it appears that this is where I should post my pictures. Thanks to Matt and Wittsend in showing me how to reduce the sizes so it can be added. Fingers crossed!

The first few is when I purchased the car in Florida, and these were taken at my brothers house before the car carrier shown up to take it back up to Ohio. The exterior shots include three sides. The last picture is from a brochure that looks like an identical twin to mine!

Happy Motoring,
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 22, 2020, 02:07:54 PM
Now, the interior...it is in remarkable good condition other than fading of the carpets and plastic pieces. The dash is crack-free as well with a period-correct GPS (compass) LOL! The sunvisor needs to be redone due to the previous owner clipping on so many pieces, including vanity mirror, garage door opener, and guardian angel icons. I have located tier vinyl fabric from SMS auto fabric in Canby, Oregon to restore it including the inner padding. I enclosed a snapshot of the fabric samples. I also ordered the carpet from them as well. They contact with ACC carpets but using the original template and special ordered color of Vaquero (Ford color code HZ). They just arrived, so I hope to have it installed next week while Im on vacation. I will post the after pictures. Here's the before pictures:
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 22, 2020, 02:10:32 PM
Fabric samples from SMS auto fabric Inc.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 22, 2020, 02:13:37 PM
Cargo Bay..see the side panels, it has faded and scratches. It will be redone using SES interior paint dye. Cargo Bay Carpet was covered with a blanket for its entire life, so I plan to keep that while replacing the faded carpet in the passenger area.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 22, 2020, 02:22:13 PM
When the previous owner passed away in 2008, her best friend inherited the car. Unlike the deceased owner who had a garage, she had a carport, which explains why the driver's side wood appliqué are more faded and worn than the passenger side that was covered and up against her home. As I mentioned before, I located wood siding appliqués to cover both sides and tailgate. I hope to have that done during this winter while the car is hibernating.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 22, 2020, 02:27:07 PM
If you look closely to the steering wheel (see interior shot) you can see the black trim in the horn pad is broken. I found the piece under the seat, and would like to repair it. Other than just gluing it with cracks showing, how do I repair and conceal the cracks? If I were to sand it and repaint it, it creates another dilemma...the scratches from the sand paper is likely to show through, and the chrome paint on its edges would need to be reapplied. How do you folks do this?
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: one2.34me on November 22, 2020, 03:05:12 PM

It's not black or cheap, but it might work for you. The wood inlay would match your side trim. There may be others for sale on line for less. I think Ford used this design on many cars, for years.

1975 1976 FORD MUSTANG LTD TORINO PINTO HORN BLOW SWITCH COVER TRIM PLATE NOS | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-1976-FORD-MUSTANG-LTD-TORINO-PINTO-HORN-BLOW-SWITCH-COVER-TRIM-PLATE-NOS/124242152497?epid=17003222379&hash=item1ced68cc31:g:TsEAAOSwqvJe-5cl)
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 22, 2020, 05:36:52 PM
You are not wrong...it's pricy, but again where would I find another? Sigh...before I bite the bullet, how can I find the part nbr so I can ensure it'll fit? It's advertised for LTDs but I would imagine all steering wheels would be standardized by Ford? I'll take your word, if you feel confident that it will fit? I wonder if I can counter offer? How low can I go without offending him or her?

Thanks for finding this as I looked high and low without success!

Happy Motoring,
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: one2.34me on November 22, 2020, 07:54:47 PM
The part number is listed in the eBay add when you scroll down. Before I spent the money on the part, I'd remove the broken part off of your Pinto to make sure it was the same as in the eBay add, front and back. If it was my car and my broken part and it matched the eBay part front and back, I'd buy the part. (If I decided to spend the money) The add says the part is returnable for thirty days, but you pay shipping costs. It does appear that there aren't a whole lot of these parts available new. Once you remove the part, you may find that you can repair it good enough to be happy with it repaired.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 23, 2020, 07:12:33 AM
I counteroffered, but they declined but did remove the shipping cost. I accepted it. Fingers crossed that it is as described! Thanks so much for locating It! I have tried many variations such as horn button, auto trim etc.

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: one2.34me on November 23, 2020, 04:05:27 PM
You're welcome. I'm glad to hear he at least dropped the shipping cost for you. I hope it turns out to be exactly what you were looking for. It'll go nicely with your new side paneling.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: dga57 on November 24, 2020, 08:18:16 AM
Dan,

Love the pictures!  It looks like you scored a true gem among late model wagons and are striving to bring it to absolute perfection!  It looks great and I'll be interested watching as you tackle all the little details that will make it truly outstanding! 

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 25, 2020, 12:33:06 PM
Yes, I think the wood grain trim will be perfect for the steering wheel as the car has the interior decor group which means the shift bezel, e-brake handle, and dashboard all have wood trim pieces. I wondered why not the steering wheel? Maybe it was an oversight on the assembly line or it was replaced? Your guess is as good as mine. Thanks for locating it for me!

As for the other respondent, I am glad that you are enjoying my project as much as I am! I will keep you posted as I move along.

For those watching the tire issue of mine, I was successful getting through with Coker Tire after they told me that my back order for the 165/80-13 Maxxis WSW tires were delayed once again. I told them about this club and how it was advised that 175 or 185 would be a better fit. They did the calculations and said it would be similar but 3/4 inch taller but the same in every other way. As I already have the dry rotted 175 on the car, I knew it would still fit despite being slightly taller. They e mailed me a chart along with the mph/revolution differences which is also slight (1 to 2 mph reading difference). They had that size in stock!!! I switched my order and they are to arrive this Friday!!! Yahoo! I will let you know how Friday goes!

Happy Motoring,
Dan

Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on November 29, 2020, 09:39:53 AM
Two new updates on my Pandemic Project...

First, the tires finally arrived from Coker Tire! I had a local garage install them ($22 per tire) as I did not have the equipment to do the task myself. Just as you predicted, the difference in appearance was not obvious despite being slightly taller (175/80R-13 Maxxis WSW). The WSW were 5/8th inches which is perfect for the time period! It rode much better than the trailer tire it had on one wheel due to lack of size availability! Chuckling...

Secondly, the steering wheel horn bar's trim piece also arrived. One member found this online for me as I was unable to locate one to replace the broken trim piece. Perfect fit (not yet installed, just a test fit). I am tickled to see the improvements these little things makes the car!

Tomorrow, I will be tackling the interior by having carpets replaced, installation of the horn bar trim, replacement of broken seat belt sleeves, and other details. I will farm out the re-dying the interior plastic panels to an upholstery shop as I felt they can do a better job than I can as they are the experts.

As the exterior is my next project, does anyone know how to properly remove the wood trim piece that surrounds the wood siding? What kind of clips does it use? I would imagine the removal would determine the methodology for removal. I also feel that before tackling this, I probably should order replacement clips as some probably will break...hence the need to know type of clips to get ahold of. I would imagine these would be difficult to locate as NOS, so which fastener hardware company would you suggest that I reach out to for these clips?

I will keep you posted!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: one2.34me on December 02, 2020, 02:40:04 PM
Hey Dan,
Post some pics when you get your interior put together. I'm anxious to see how it looks. I'd also like to see some pics of your new Coker tires on your car. Your paint looks good, are you going to do a repaint or paint restoration before you put on the new woodgrain?


Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on December 02, 2020, 03:27:19 PM
Nice to hear from you! Sure, I will be sure to take pictures when I tackle the interior in the upcoming week! The same for Coker Tire. Diamondback also has the sizes and will do white walls in any width that you want. Coker is 5/8 inch wsw. Both companies have good websites to look, and will send you printed catalogs upon request. 

No, I do not plan to repaint the car, as the paint is in remarkable condition. Once the wood grain is removed, I will be sure to take a picture before reapplying the new ni-noc applique. The paint will be attended to by clay bar, some paint corrective methods to regain the shine to the chalked/faded paint as well as to remove fine scratches. Fingers crossed. The only part that was repainted was the rear drivers side wheelwell when I experienced a tire blow out. The steel cords of the tire scraped the paint and chewed up the mud flap. Sigh...I was amazed to locate a NOS factory mud flap! Other than that spot, all of the paint is original from the factory!

If it wasn't for the peeling wood grained moldings, faded wood siding, and gas spillover damage to the wood siding, I would've kept the original siding. I was able to locate NOS wood applique at Green Sales in Cincinnati as well as reproduction siding with a company in California...I think it's called Custom Interiors or something like that.  I can look it up for you if you wish. It was spot on...incredibl y so! As tempted I was to go with NOS pieces, I felt that dealing with the reproduction would be easier as its new from 3M and if I needed more, I can was get more. The price was a little less, about 200 less, which isn't that big of a difference considering the size of order.  I will take a picture of the sample against the existing siding the next time if I out to the garage so you can see for yourself. I welcome any suggestions or thoughts!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: one2.34me on December 03, 2020, 10:17:19 PM
From the way it looks in the pics, when your paint is done being clayed, touched up and polished it's going to look better than new. I just saw today that you bought your Pinto wagon in Venice, FL. I bought the '75 Pinto hatch that I now own in Venice, CA. It was dented, broken (grille), and scratched on every body panel, roof and bumpers included. I haven't done anything to it appearance wise other than metal working the body damage out a bit, cutting the bumpers and fixing the grille. I've have tinkered with the engine, suspension and weight and it runs and handles well. The red gas cap in the pic is off of the Pinto Pony I bought new in 1979. Had to buy a locking cap due to the gas shortage and people syphoning gas.
Take care
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on December 04, 2020, 02:05:29 PM
Thanks, and that's my intention to bring it back as original as possible as there aren't as much of these out there considering bazillion of these being made out there! I appreciate yours as well as others making an effort to save what is left out there. Venice appears to have been good to both of us despite being the opposite coasts!😎

Let me know if there's anything you are seeking for yours as I am keeping my eyes peeled open for anything for mine. I do see that you have formulated a solution for your front valance panel of your own!👍🏻 I am keeping fingers crossed for mine by reaching out to showcars unlimited in Ontario. I shipped my damaged unit to them as Rob is hoping to repair mine and to re-create a mold to make them available for others, albeit being of the 1979 and 1980 vintage. I will keep out an eye for the ones for your vintage. I cannot remember if it was you or not who mentioned a workaround by taking a rear valance from an older Maverick and bending the ends to fit the fronts of Pintos. Pretty creative solution, heh?
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: one2.34me on December 04, 2020, 05:00:48 PM
Your car is going to be a collectable when you're done with it. My guess would be that there aren't a lot of 1979-80 Squire wagons around any more. My brother had a Squire wagon decades ago, the woodgrain was so faded you could hardly see it. He'd take a bottle of ArmorAll and spray it and wipe it down, and it would look like new again. "I haven't seen a Pinto in a long time", is what I hear the most from people when they see the car.

My valance is 1/8" aluminum with a scoop set up under the radiator. The main things I would like to get for my car is an 8" rear end and a t5 trans. Ford didn't put a front or rear lower valance on the '75's, so once you trim the bumpers everything below them hangs out in the open. I could use early model front and rear valances, but they'd need to be adapted to clear the telescoping tubes. I hadn't heard of the Maverick valance being adapted for a Pinto. Creative solutions for sure, I need to get a big Mickey Mouse sticker for my back bumper!
Take care,
Jack
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on December 13, 2020, 04:07:18 PM
My, time flies! I didn't realize at least a week or so passed without an update! My apologies... I decided to address the body work before tackling the carpet as I felt the body shop guys may track in grease, grime, and dirt. As you may remember, I had a tire blowout a month or so ago and the steel cords of the tire chewed up the lower driver's side behind the rear wheel well. Also, as you all know if a person does not take the time to retract the driver's seatbelt, it gets slammed in the door chipping paint on the door still.

 I decided to have that cleaned up and repainted. Only the driver's door still to the rear driver's side tirewell will be redone. The rest of the car will keep its original coat as it is such in good condition. It is to be ready by next Wednesday. I will be sure to post before n after pics.

Once that's done, I will tackle the interior and hopefully have it done before Christmas! I will keep y'all posted, and will make sure pics are taken as well!

Happy Motoring,
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on January 04, 2021, 04:45:05 PM
It's me again! I am planning ahead, and have a question that I am sure that has been debated at some point. I was unable to find a forum string, so I am posting it here, and you can direct me as to where I can find it.

My question pertains to motor oil...I am told that for a car as old as mine, I should purchase 10W-30 oil with high zinc content, such as Hemmings or PennGrade Synthetic-blend. However, I know that zinc was reduced over the years due to its destructive nature to catalyst converters...s o, how did you address this issue with your Pintos?

I have been using conventional oil with the Pinto, despite my loyalties for synthetic oil in all of my daily drivers. The reason being is I am unsure how to proceed from here and out. All the paperwork that came with the car indicated a ritualistic oil change every 3000 miles using 10W-30 conventional oil. Most appears to be of Castrol brand.

Thanks for your help!!!

Happy Motoring,
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Mattb on January 04, 2021, 06:40:19 PM
The owners manual for my 77 says to use an oil with SE spec. Looks like that oil specified  zinc of 1000 and phosphorus of 1200 ppm. So you can use those numbers to find a something close to that era. I use Mobile 1 10-40 in mine but zinc/ phos is 900/800. If you can “ live” with the viscosity you could check out the specs on Mobile  1 15-50. If I had a car with a freshly overhauled Boss 429 I’d probably buy the most expensive oil available. But for a 40 plus year old Pinto engine it’s difficult to pass up a 5 quart jug from Walmart.( plus they carry the FL-1filter)
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: davidpinto on January 05, 2021, 10:08:57 AM
I SENT MY PS RACK TO CARDONE IND. 5 YRS AGO. IT TOOK 3 MONTHS FOR THEM TO R&R IT.BUT ITS STILL DOING GREAT.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Scott Hamilton on January 10, 2021, 11:09:18 PM
I SENT MY PS RACK TO CARDONE IND. 5 YRS AGO. IT TOOK 3 MONTHS FOR THEM TO R&R IT.BUT ITS STILL DOING GREAT.
Cardone, cool- another tidbit in case I need to have mine done, thanks!
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Scott Hamilton on January 10, 2021, 11:13:32 PM
Dan,
Love your posts on you wagon- keep em coming!
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on January 11, 2021, 04:25:26 PM
Yikes, I been away too long that I need to reply to several of your postings and do some updating! I'll tackle them all right now!

1.)Wow! What a nice surprise to hear from you, Scott Hamilton! I have heard so many positive comments about you as the website founder and Pinto Guru!!! I hope to meet you one day...will you be attending the Pinto Stampede this summer (provided that pandemic is under control)? I have registered for it, and it is a strong incentive for me to get my car done! Chuckling...so, rest assured that I will keep plugging in  my pictures and postings as I advance forward.

2.) As for the steering rack, I will give Cardone a try, but instead of sending it in and wait three months for it to be overhauled, I will purchase their remanufactured unit and send my old one in as a core. I will make sure that it is an actual OEM rack that is remanufactured rather than just any rack as I wish to keep my Pinto as original as possible, not to mention making the installation easier! I will let you guys know once I speak with Cardone to determine where they obtained the racks to begin with. I have to assess what parts, hoses, lines, gaskets, etc that I will need to order to complete the install. Should I consider doing the auxiliaries such as upper and lower control arms, ball joints, etc. while they seems to be okay?

3.) I appreciated the response to my oil question, but I am still confused as sludge! Chuckling...Le t me rephrase it differently... Should I be worried about the zinc and phosphorus levels? Does the Pinto's 2.3 engine need it? If yes, What about the Catalyst? I was under the impression that these chemical compounds would be harmful? I was told SE oils are no longer made as they are obsolete due to high zinc and phosphorus content. Every oil manufacturer website were uninformative in this regard. I could not find a good chart or search feature that would recommend the best matching Oil as for the engines needs.

4.) Update on my pandemic project is that a number of things have been accomplished! 😀I got the carpet replaced, the side plastic panel and pieces redyed to match. The carpet was an easy install, with my breaking only one seat bolt. All the rest came out easily as they were not corroaded. The color is not as exact as I had hoped, but that's probably because I know it's replaced and the color's name keeps bugging me...SMS contracted ACC for the carpets, which the cut, backing, and foot- rest mat were exact replica...howe ver, they do not use the Ford color names. The Ford color for mine is Vaquero, which is like a reddish brown and not a common color for Pinto interior. ACC calls it Ruby Red, and at first, I told them that cannot be right...sure enough, it was a nearly exact match when you compare it to the old carpet under the seat.

As for the color dye that I used to redo the faded side panels, lower door kick panels, and steering wheel column was pricey as $275 a gallon! I was expecting the cost to be similar to car paints. I took a deep breath and paid the piper, as I wanted to get rid of the interior's faded whitish appearance. Prior to dying, I prepped the plastics by light blasting the material using soft/fine course media, as sandpaper would leave scratches into the plastic that would show through the dye, even when smoothed.

My biggest problem area of the dye job was regarding the wheel well top, where they line up under the windows. That's where the water had pooled atop the wheel arch whenever it rained with the quarter windows were left open. As you recall, this was a car from Florida where it spent its entire life...yup, Florida is famous for sudden monsoon-like rain showers and the next minute, the sun breaks and boils the pooled water. Over 40 years of this phenomenon, It left a depression on the plastic where it had puddled. Regardless of repeated efforts, I was unable to rid of the depression marks. The outlines of the depression shows through the new dye, but the color and general evenness was very good otherwise. Again, I know of the existence, but maybe a layperson would not notice. However, Knowing my fellow Pinto connoisseurs, they will notice! 😉Any suggestions?

 The sun visors have not been returned from SMS, where I sent my old one to be redone. They say it'll be here in about a week. I will report on this once it arrives. It was an easy removal, and I bagged the screws for its re installation. SMS has the Vaquero Tier Vinyl materials so it will be an exact match. See earlier pictures of samples I posted.

5.) The tires from Coker is finally installed, and it is hard to tell that it is 3/4 of an inch taller than the original tires. The equivalent to the A78-13 was 165-80R-13 was on back order until February, and I had already experienced a tire blowout due to dry-rot. I couldn't put it off any further so I accepted 175-80R-13 instead. It is WSW Maxxis brand, a brand that I am not familiar with, but seems to ride nicely. I ordered the 5th one along with a rim to use as a spare. The Pinto still has the space saver spare that's never been down. I will store that in a safe place.

6.) Due to the aforementioned tire blowout, the rear wheel well and lower fender was damaged by the steel belt cords. It was painful to me, as the paint of the car is all original and now I had to have that part repaired. A local shop that specializes in older cars did the job, and it came out nicely...but for one thing, he had some overspray on the leaf spring. Arrgghh! I will use some matte black paint to cover it. The nickel-sized rust spot on the corner of one window was also repaired while he was at it. Looks great! The rest of the car sports it's original paint, as it is in very good condition. I hope to preserve it as long as I can!

7.) I just dropped the car off at a high-end body wrap specialist that does logo and wraps for commercial vans, police cars, and custom tuners to have the wood grain appliqués redone. I decided to replace it as the top half is faded and chalky with some cracking and peeling. I know some people feel I could have done it myself, but after viewing videos, testing samples, and the enormity of the task, I felt overwhelmed and decided it was above my skill set. They agreed that I can come and watch or do pictures, so I will be doing that. Be on the lookout for the pictures in the near future! The same as for photos of interior work, paint, and tires.

Happy Motoring!!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: davidpinto on January 11, 2021, 05:26:19 PM
FYI.there was 3 different racks listed.had to measure length of the input shaft to get the correct one.i could'nt just order one.cardone did not even have a core to rebuild.that was 5 yrs ago,don't know about now.good luck to you.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on January 12, 2021, 08:57:53 AM
David...

Thanks for sharing your experience, and I decided to double-check the listing on Rock Auto:

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1980,pinto,2.3l+140cid+l4,1135268,steering,rack+and+pinion,7388

When checking, I did notice three of the four Cardone racks requires that I am to send the unit to them for remanufacturin g.  However, I did notice Cardone also has one power rack and pinion steering rack available to purchase, albeit pricey at $315 vs. the first option for $128. The listing for the core exchange is no longer there. I will reach out to them to get additional information about the pricey rack to see how complete it is, and if it is an OEM part (i.e. was it from a Pinto or a generic fit)?

I did not think about the measurements for that input shaft.  I assumed they were all the same with the exception of two or three mounting holes. From what point to wha tpoint shall I measure this so I can have the information on hand when ordering?

Thanks so much for pointing this out...

Happy Motoring!
Dan
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Post by: davidpinto on January 12, 2021, 10:53:09 AM
measure the input shaft from the housing up to the end of knurled shaft.think the options are 2 1/2-2 1/4 or 2 in.long.
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Post by: Mattb on January 12, 2021, 12:28:08 PM
I can’t tell you if the zinc and phosphorus levels in oil are crucial to a 2.3L ford engine after 40 years an x amount of miles. But if you google “mobile one specs “ the first listing will tell you all the specs on their oils. I’m not sure Id “worry” too much about the engine or the catalytic converter with any quality oil in reasonable viscosity range but if I had to choose I’d “protect” the engine over the cat. Again , I run 10-40 in my ‘77 but the 15-50 does have high zinc/ phosphorus. The way I look at it, if an engine in a “street” car is so “delicate”that the somewhat subtle differences in oils are that crucial, its not worth owning. My humble guess is that the Pinto engine is not in the delicate category.
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Post by: davidpinto on January 12, 2021, 02:15:00 PM
i run pennzoil 20w50 and add a 4oz bottle of ERSON ZDDP for good insurance and i use only wix filters
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Post by: Dtmix on January 18, 2021, 02:08:03 PM
Thanks, David! The shaft measurement guidelines is helpful. I will have to check it out the next time I crawl under the Pinto. I left an email with Cardone about their racks, so once I hear back from them, I will let you know what their sources are for the remanufactured units.

Happy Motoring,
Dan
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Post by: Dtmix on January 18, 2021, 02:13:48 PM
As promised, I pulled together a bunch of pictures.

The first round is when the car was loaded up in Venice, Florida to be shipped up North to Grove City, OH...

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Post by: Dtmix on January 18, 2021, 02:40:01 PM
The Pinto arrived several days later, escaping a tropical storm on the Gulf Coast. The car was damaged during shipping when a chain took a chunk out of the wood vinyl appliqués on the door. Secondly, when they reloaded the car somewhere between Florida and Ohio, they torn off the valance panel. At first the shipping company tried to say that s how it was but we had pictures and paperwork showing it was not damaged. They reimbursed my estimated cost, which was based on eBay for $250.00 I accepted it, not realizing the valance panels advertised were those of spoilers type, rather than OEM style. Now, we all know it's nonobtainium type of part! Luckily, I was able to remove the valance panel in one piece to see the damage to be limited to where the bolts are connected to. As I said previously, I found a reference on this fordpinto.com page about Showcars Unlimited in Foxboro, Ontario, I shipped it to them to have it repaired and new fiberglass molds made. Since then, several of our fellow members informed me of their negative experience...I am worried, but the guy is telling me it's repaired and now being carted for fiberglass mold. Fingers crossed.

Here's the pics of the Pinto when arrived, notice the chip caused by the overhead chain and the valance panel...
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Post by: Dtmix on January 18, 2021, 02:44:59 PM
Darn it...the website says the picture is too big to be uploaded...let me see if I can reduce the size! Any suggestions? These are cell phone pics like the others, so why would it be too large?
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Post by: Dtmix on January 23, 2021, 10:40:54 AM
Let's try this as I converted from the jpg to png to reduce picture size. These pics is when it first arrived at my house from Florida. Note the damaged valance panel and chip in the woody siding from the trailer chain.
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Post by: Dtmix on January 23, 2021, 10:43:12 AM
Sigh...this didn't work. I apologize. I will reach out to someone who may be able to help me with this.
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Post by: Reeves1 on January 24, 2021, 12:03:20 PM
IMGUR....
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Post by: Dtmix on January 24, 2021, 01:03:49 PM
Per your suggestion, I looked into IMGUR on the App Store. It doesn't seem to offer downsizing features. It appears to be an App like many other social media for posting pictures. Maybe I am missing something that you are trying to point out? I just want to post my additional pics of my Pinto project on this website, and I am still using the same cellphone that I took earlier pictures that is already posted. However, since then the pictures are deemed "too large" a file to be uploaded. I am thinking something must have changed on my phone, as the early pics were easily uploaded, and all of a sudden it is too big. I looked at settings on my phone and do not see anything that I could do to make it smaller or compressed.

Thanks,
Dan
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Post by: PonyRider62 on March 30, 2021, 11:25:54 PM
Looking good so far!
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Post by: Dtmix on March 31, 2021, 06:54:21 PM
Thanks! I farmed out the job of replacing the cracked, faded, and dull wood siding appliqués. I have pictures of its removal, cleaning, and reapplying the siding. It's supposed to be done today, but the shop just called me this morning asking for an extra week. It's fine with me as I want it done right and not rushed.

I did learn one tip they used to do the curves of the wood vinyl appliqués...I would have thought they would use the outer trim as a template, but instead they apply the fishing wire and cut the vinyl after it's laid to go along the body lines...that was a nifty trick, which I have videotaped in a five or six second clip. Now, I need to know how to adjust the sizes so it can be uploaded to share with y'all!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
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Post by: Dtmix on April 08, 2021, 03:40:20 PM
I think that I might be able to post the promised pictures as I transferred them all to my other computer that can adjust the size of the photographs.  Here test pic #1, which shows before and after the paint correction (before is on the right side of hood while the after is on the left side). It was tricky as the paint is one-stage version, and the paint meter shows it to be very thin as typical of cars in the 70's.  Not all the scratches were removed as I was afraid to go too deep, but gawd, what a difference it made!
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Post by: dga57 on April 08, 2021, 03:50:35 PM
  Not all the scratches were removed as I was afraid to go too deep, but gawd, what a difference it made!

That is indeed, a remarkable difference! :o   Looks great!

Dwayne :)
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Post by: Dtmix on April 19, 2021, 09:49:15 AM
Doing another test run of uploading pictures:

This was taken during the removal and replacement of the wood siding...
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Post by: Dtmix on April 19, 2021, 09:51:06 AM
Wood graining restoration project
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Post by: Dtmix on April 19, 2021, 09:52:13 AM
Wood graining restoration project
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Post by: Dtmix on April 19, 2021, 09:53:10 AM
Wood graining restoration project
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Post by: Dtmix on April 19, 2021, 09:55:08 AM
Wood graining restoration project
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Post by: Dtmix on April 19, 2021, 09:59:16 AM
Wood graining restoration project (con't)...
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Post by: dga57 on April 19, 2021, 10:04:39 AM
Can't wait to see how marvelous it looks with the new woodgrain!!!


Dwayne :)
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Post by: Dtmix on April 21, 2021, 01:58:53 PM
The wood siding project is now completed, and it has exceeded my expectations! As I mentioned before, it is a 3M NiDoc vinyl that I ordered from CustomAutoTrim .com in California. It came to be almost identical in color and grain as the original Medium Cherry that Ford produced.  The color and grain selection I chosen with their help was Dark Teak (4ft x 21ft) for the main wood siding, with Blonde Teak (4ft x 6 ft) for the trim pieces that went around the main wood siding. The four feet width was cut in half to do both sides, as the panel is 17 inches top to bottom and the length of the car as measured with extra for the tailgate. As it was above my skill set, or shall I say my confidence to do the job myself, I contracted the work with a car detail shop that also handles body wraps for high end cars and commercial company vans. The shop is Performance Auto Spa in Plain City, OH (www.perfautosp a.com).  Seth and Tim were my contact person there, and they were awesome!  The job took longer than anticipated as the removal was their biggest challenge.  It took them a while to remove the old siding due to the age and the car being a lifelong Florida car, thus it was dry and brittle.  It broke off in chunks as they used wood grain vinyl remover by 3M, heat guns, and other adhesive removers.  Despite the challenges, they did not give up, and wanted to see the project go through to the end. What we all thought to be a two or three week project, turned out to be three months...grant ed, they did the work in between other jobs.  I recommend them highly!

Before they tackled the wood grain job, I had the lower rear fender wheel well touched up after it was marred by the tire blow out last October. The color was Bright Bittersweet (2G).  The interior was Vaquero (DZ).  Marti Report shows only 1,465 Pintos to be painted in this color, and the interior was only done with 257 Pintos. I had no idea how uncommon the Vaquero color in the Interior Décor group was when I first purchased it.

 The detailing was long and arduous as it had a single stage pant, and the paint meter shows it to be very thin which was typical of cars of that era.  I did not want to go too deep, so there are still some minor marks and scratches that could be seen if looking at an angle under light.  Maybe I can consult with the body shop to see if I could go further or leave it as is. It looks great, so maybe it's better to leave it alone!

I also added NOS OEM wire wheel covers that I found from a collection that was being sold by his son, as the collector had passed away. I kept the full-sized wheel covers in case I want to switch back and forth.  Let me know your thoughts! 

Okay, wish me luck in uploading the pictures! I will try to include before and after pictures if I can.

Happy Motoring!
Dan
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Post by: Dtmix on April 21, 2021, 02:01:35 PM
These tires are from Coker Tires, Maxxis WSW 175/80R 13; they have been installed, along with the spare tire.  I purchased a reconditioned rim for the spare and kept the original space saver tire in storage.
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Post by: Dtmix on April 21, 2021, 02:14:12 PM
Dang it!  I am having difficulties again with uploading the pics.  Let me log off and try to snip the pictures to a smaller size.  I will try again tmw as I have exceeded the 4x limit of attempts.  Bear with me!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
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Post by: Dtmix on April 22, 2021, 10:35:06 AM
The wood-siding restoration is now completed; rear view snapshot:
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Post by: Dtmix on April 22, 2021, 10:38:24 AM
Front side view of wood-siding restoration:
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Post by: Dtmix on April 22, 2021, 10:42:31 AM
Here's the awesome crew at the Performance Auto Spa of Plain City, OH who completed the wood-siding restoration!  I gave them custom tee-shirts with an image of my Orange Blossom, 1980 Ford Pinto Squire Wagon!
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Post by: Dtmix on April 22, 2021, 10:48:10 AM
I had located NOS OEM Ford Pinto wire wheel covers on eBay.  The seller explained that his father had passed away, and he collected NOS wheel covers as a hobby.  I kept the original full-sized wheel covers as well, in case I wish to switch back to them.  I thought this added period-correct class tot he car.  Your thoughts?
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Post by: dga57 on April 22, 2021, 11:08:31 AM
The restored woodgrain looks amazing!  You are absolutely correct about those wheel covers; they were an available option on your car.  I'm a big fan of those factory wire spokes, but not on the earlier cars where they were not an option.  I had Lincoln wire spoke wheel covers on both my 1979 Mark V and my 1980 Continental Town Car, and Cadillac wire spokes on both a 1982 and a 1988 Coupe Deville.  ALWAYS loved the look of wire spokes and whitewalls. 

Dwayne :)
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Post by: Dtmix on April 22, 2021, 11:22:09 AM
I am so glad that you liked the wire spokes and the WSW tires.  The tires were the among the most challenging part to locate due to the limited availability of 13 inch tires, and more so as white walls!

I looked back this forum, and realized that I couldn't upload the tire blowout and the related damages.  I will upload them now that i have "snipped" them. Note the touchup work I have had done in the above pictures  just before the wood grain restoration started. I have also included the "during portion of the wood grain project as well below...
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Post by: Dtmix on April 22, 2021, 11:28:58 AM
Tire blowout pictures...
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Post by: Dtmix on April 22, 2021, 11:36:16 AM
Blown tire damage pics (con't); note the screws for the mud flap that was torn off...
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Post by: Dtmix on April 22, 2021, 11:41:15 AM
Here's the completed woodgrain restoration and touched up rear fender-well...See earlier pics for NOS OEM wire wheel covers that I added.  These are of the original wheel covers that came with the car.  Vote which wheel covers you like better!  ;-)
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Post by: dga57 on April 22, 2021, 12:28:42 PM
The tires were the among the most challenging part to locate due to the limited availability of 13 inch tires, and more so as white walls!


I went through that a few years ago myself, and I can't imagine it's gotten any easier! 

I DEFINITELY vote for the NOS wire wheel covers.

Dwayne :)
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Post by: one2.34me on April 22, 2021, 04:40:42 PM
You're car looks great Dan! All you're hard work has definitely paid off!
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Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2021, 03:44:53 PM
Yeah, I can hear you saying, "...where the heck have you been?"  My apologies, as I ramped up my pandemic project, as I can see the Pinto Stampede's 50th anniversary of the Pinto show is fast approaching! 

I got a lot done in the last several weeks. I addressed the main seal leak between the transmission and engine block, and while I was at it, I decided to send the transmission for a rebuild.  I figured I would not want to deal with it later, and it had an minor issue of slipping when cold. While it was at the local transmission shop, the oil pan was dropped to clean, repaint, and replace the gasket. The flywheel was checked and looks to be in very good condition with no missing teeth and minimal wear, if any could be detected. I also was pleased to find that there was no rust in the transmission tunnel, due to the Ziebart Rustproofing being applied when new.  The steering rack was replaced with a Cardone brand remanufactured power steering rack purchased from NAPA. I also replaced the universal joints on the drive-shaft before reconnecting to the rebuilt transmission. Lastly, tackled the dreaded heater core project, whereas I replaced it with a NOS OEM heater core with brass fittings (purchased from a guy who brought out a defunct Ford Dealership). I probably could have done it without unbolting the dashboard, but I wanted to see how it all came together...wha t a job that was! 

The next two things to do is to have it re-aligned at a tire shop due to the new steering rack, and to repair the factory AC.  The AC wasn't a priority for me during the winter, but I should have made it a priority as it is now 87 degrees with a forecast of 91 next Tuesday!  Yikes! I ordered a new compressor and dryer from O'Reilly's Auto parts, which was described to be identical to the old.  It will be on the 134a refrigerant. It is scheduled to arrive by next Tuesday, the hottest day of the week.  Due to the Freon and my lack of knowledge with ACs, I plan to have it installed by an Auto Air Conditioner specialist here in Columbus.

Okay, fingers crossed as I upload the pictures...
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Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2021, 03:46:56 PM
Look at the rust-free transmission tunnel and shift linkage!  It had Ziebart Rustproofing applied when new.
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Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Rebuilt transmission installed...
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Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2021, 03:56:26 PM
Rack and Pinion Steering Rack, old and new;
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Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2021, 03:57:45 PM
Drive shaft awaiting for new universal joint to arrive...
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Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2021, 04:00:06 PM
Before and after picture of the oil pan which was removed to replace gasket and to be repainted; note new steering rack.
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Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
Removal of valve cover to inspect valves, inner parts, replace gaskets and repaint. Timing belt cover was removed as well for new timing belt and will be repainted.
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Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2021, 04:05:42 PM
Dismantling dash to access the heater box and core; replaced with NOS OEM heater core with brass fittings.  Note new carpet, shift bezel, and re-dyed steering column plastic pieces.
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Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2021, 04:09:42 PM
Closer look at heater box assembly...
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Post by: dga57 on May 22, 2021, 12:25:49 AM
Wow!  Dismantling the dash is NOT for the faint of heart!  You're doing an amazing job on your Squire and once you're on the road with the Stampede, you will appreciate your efforts more than ever.  Glad you're back; missed you!

Dwayne :)
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Post by: Dtmix on May 25, 2021, 03:12:52 PM
Yippee!  My feared nightmare did not come true!  As you may recall several months ago that the auto-shipping company damaged my front valance panel while loading or unloading my Pinto when it was shipped here from Florida? I looked high and low for a replacement without success, even with using the OEM part number. Many dismantling yards that had Pintos did not have one as they tend to be the damaged piece or already removed from the car. So, I looked into having a reproduction fiberglass mold made from my original broken piece. I found a fabricator who was willing to do the project, as he was seeking one for himself and needed a good piece to reproduce a mold from. Most fabricators did not want to touch it, or felt it would be unprofitable for them to take it on.

Despite the lukewarm reviews on YELP, I was at end of my wits, I decided to gamble and then worried for a couple of months after shipping it off to Canada, wondering if I would ever see it again. Needless to say, I worried over nothing, as I was very pleased with his workmanship, communication, and the end product. Whew!!! He made me two complete with tabs to be drilled to line up with mounting brackets/holes. It proven to be a perfect fit!  It was not prepped for paint, per my directions, as I wanted to have it done locally.  If you are seeking a front valance panel for 1979 or 1980 Ford Pinto, he would make one for you using the mold that he created from mine. I do not know what he would charge you as he did it for me at no cost as I allowed him to use mine to create a mold as he felt there is a need for this part. I was very pleased...

His name is Rob and his business is Showcars Unlimited in Foxboro, Ontario. He has a rudimentary website where you can contact him.  He also makes spoilers, hood scoops, and other fiberglass parts. I have not personally been to his shop or seen his other parts other than what is shown online. He was pleasant during my communications with him, and was clear in what he would do or not do.

The following pictures shows an array of views.  The damaged valance panel (broken end cap and bolt holes), the bracket points on the radiator support bar in the middle, end holes in the fenders on the side, and the test-installation of the new valance panel (taken before prep and painting as flat-black like OEM).
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Post by: Dtmix on May 25, 2021, 03:14:31 PM
more pics...
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Post by: Dtmix on May 25, 2021, 03:19:11 PM
The following shows the damaged end piece of the old valance and the mounting points on the fenders and radiator support beam...
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Post by: Dtmix on May 25, 2021, 03:20:47 PM
damaged end piece of the old valance panel...
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Post by: Dtmix on June 04, 2021, 07:20:00 AM
The sun-visors that I shipped to SMS Auto Fabrics in Oregon for restoration has finally been shipped back!  They were really back-logged, as I gave them the visors last October, and it's now June!  ;-)  It should arrive by next Tuesday, which I cannot wait!  The sun in my eyes is not all that pleasant, although I love the warmth it brings us!

They e-mailed me a picture of the restored visors which looked nice.  It is done using the NOS OEM Tier material in Vaquero color. I inquired about the hardware that I had sent with the visors, as it was missing from the photograph.  They said that it was already packed for shipping, and wasn't included in the snapshot.  I hope so, as I sent them everything including the mounting and the rubber end tab per directions. I will send additional pictures once it arrives and is installed. It is very easy installation.. .just three screws on one end and plugging in the other end piece to the dome light fixture.

Despite the interior being in a very good condition and the headliner looks as if it is new, albeit original to the car, the sun visors looks worse for the wear.  I think it is due to having a number of clip-ons (i.e. vanity mirrors, tinted sun-screen shield, religious ornamentations) that trapped the moist humidity of Florida weather.  Surprisingly, there is no mold or odor to be found in the car, other than the visors.

Here are the before and after pictures:

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Post by: dga57 on June 06, 2021, 12:12:47 PM
They should look fantastic installed in the car!!!

Dwayne :)
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Post by: rob289c on June 27, 2021, 06:25:24 AM
Your Pinto is looking great.  You are doing the right things:  repair/replace while you have already done the labor to get to it...for instance rebuild the tranny while you have it out for the seal replacement, and get the new u-joints done while the driveshaft is out.  Great job!
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Post by: TIGGER on July 02, 2021, 02:20:02 PM
The sun-visors that I shipped to SMS Auto Fabrics in Oregon for restoration has finally been shipped back!  They were really back-logged, as I gave them the visors last October, and it's now June!  ;-)  It should arrive by next Tuesday, which I cannot wait!  The sun in my eyes is not all that pleasant, although I love the warmth it brings us!

They e-mailed me a picture of the restored visors which looked nice.  It is done using the NOS OEM Tier material in Vaquero color. I inquired about the hardware that I had sent with the visors, as it was missing from the photograph.  They said that it was already packed for shipping, and wasn't included in the snapshot.  I hope so, as I sent them everything including the mounting and the rubber end tab per directions. I will send additional pictures once it arrives and is installed. It is very easy installation.. .just three screws on one end and plugging in the other end piece to the dome light fixture.


Good to know.....I did not know they did restoration work.  SMS is about a 5 min drive from my work.  I went there about 9 years ago to get some headliner material for my Saleen.  Might need to go back during lunch one day to see what all services they offer now. 
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Post by: Dtmix on July 05, 2021, 06:46:12 AM
They do door cards restorations, visors, and a few other things. I think they would do original seat covers as for the materials but you have to install it yourself…but not 100 percent sure. Log on their website and look up services. You can email them for a job you are seeking and they will tell you their quote if they offer that service. They do provide free samples for anything you ask for…nearly on everything. If you have a car that’s rare, they will replicate it by making it for you using your submitted materials. It’s not cheap, but if perfection is your goal….

As for the Pintos, they have all the materials for all model years.

Happy Motoring,
Dan
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Post by: Dtmix on July 07, 2021, 07:43:05 AM
The A/C job is completed!  Whew, as the 90+ degree weather was killing me!  LOL...

I have a question...I am hearing impaired, making this difficult for me to assess the issue. Please bear with me.

I was told by my family that the Pinto's 2.3 engine has a tapping sound when first started and seems to get better in ten or fifteen minutes as the car warms up. My wife and girls are not car people, but they guessed it was coming from the top part of the engine??? What does this mean?  I looked at several websites, and the one for Ford Rangers that uses 2.3 litre engine stated this is a common problem caused by carbon buildup on the hydraulic lifters that is treated with either SeaFoam or Wynns Hydraulic Valve Lifter treatment additives. Is that true?  I don't want to cause additional damage using additives that i know nothing about, so I am looking for your advisements or thoughts.

The same websites discounted that the issue is not piston-slap or other mechanical issue as the noise dissipates after warming up. Does this make sense to you or not? They also stated that it is more of a nuisance rather than an ominous sign of mechanical failure as it goes away once warmed up. They seem to be confident that the above mentioned additives to clean out the carbon buildup would do the trick.  Should I put faith in that statement?

I know that the previous elderly owner did not drive the Pinto for more than a 100 miles a year for the last ten years after her friend gave her the car as an inheritance when she passed away.  I would suspect carbon buildup would be a likely scenario.  It runs better the more I drive it.

To recap what has been done...full tune up, oil change, new timing belt, new hoses, new coolant, new valve gaskets, new oil pan gaskets, and rebuilt transmission.

Happy Motoring,
Dan

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Post by: Wittsend on July 07, 2021, 11:13:25 AM
My guess would be the lifter. Short of disassembling everything and still not likely being able to observe the exact cause I would try the additives. Modern oils are good at removing contaminants in the engine. Fresh oil helps. The "side effect" is that this "cleansing action" might also dislodge contaminates and cause the problem they are trying to prevent.

Was the oil change with a multi viscosity oil? If no it might be that until the oil warms up it isn't flowing as need at least in the case of the lifter that has issues.
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Post by: dga57 on July 07, 2021, 11:55:04 AM
I'd start with adding a can of Seafoam to a tank of gasoline.  It's not going to hurt anything; I have used it in everything from Pintos to a Rolls-Royce at some point or another.

Dwayne :)
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Post by: davidpinto on July 07, 2021, 06:23:13 PM
around 600 miles ago i pulled the motor out of mine to freshen it up.rear main was leaking, among other things.while i had it out i slipped a new set of rod & main bearings in,all new seals and gaskets and a new set of lifters too.they were ok but had been in there for a while.got it back together and everything was great,until around 200 miles.it picked up a little lifter tic.but only happens when the motor reaches 180 deg.on hot days.at idle.when i start it up cold no problem.oil pressure 80 lbs cold.never goes under 40 lbs hot.so i pulled v-cover off every thing looked good,rolled motor over checking all the lash and found 1 lifter that would collapse a little by pushing down on the followers while on heel of cam lobes.so i replaced it with another new one.thought that was it-not- still doing exact same.it only does it on hot days above like 85 deg.in the morning and at night when its cool no tic.got me scratching my head.don't like workn on a hot motor...
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Post by: Dtmix on July 10, 2021, 05:46:12 PM
I went ahead and added the Seafoam (odd name if you ask me as no one would want to add saltwater to petrol!LOL)…I drove it the entire 270 beltway for a total of 57 miles. It ran well, and the more it is driven, the better it ran. I will try it for several tanks to see if it improves it by burning/ cleaning out the carbs. Fingers crossed! Thanks for all or your reassurances as it seems like snake oil, but many swears by it! 😀

Happy Motoring!
Dan
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Post by: Wittsend on July 10, 2021, 05:56:10 PM
There are two ways of "attack" with a "mechanic in a can." One is in the fuel to hopefully clean valve stems that might be keeping the valve from closing completely thus increasing a gap and causing a tap (it can burn valves too). The other would be in the oil to to help free up a sticking lifter..., if that is the problem.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on July 29, 2021, 03:09:19 PM
The more I drive it, the better it is running. I drove it 622 miles total last week at the Pinto Stampede using the seafoam.  I, however, had a problem with the idle pulley and the AC clutch during the trip home.  The belt was removed and it ran beautifully.  As AC compressor replacement was done at the shop (as I did not want to deal with the freon etc.), I scheduled an appointment for the second week in August to have it looked at again, as I feel the AC clutch is not working properly and the idle pulley probably should be replaced. We shall see.

Anyway, I really enjoyed the Pinto Stampede, meeting the people, seeing the cars, and touring the sights, despite the "Monsoon weather" we had!  The show day was the only day it did not rain, but the grassy knoll was rather soggy!  ;-) To my surprise and delight, it won an award for Best of Show!  We also toured the Rousch Factory, Snookie's car museum, Wagner's Auto collection, and the retired Ford Global Division executive, Mike Bernard's personal car collection. Impressive!!! Once I get the opportunity, I will post some pics.

Hope all is well at your end!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: dga57 on July 29, 2021, 11:38:13 PM
Hey Dan,

Frankly, I'm not the least bit surprised that your Squire wagon won "Best of Show" - it is in phenomenal condition! 

Glad to hear you enjoyed the Pinto Stampede and am anxiously awaiting those pictures!!!

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: PintoRoyL on July 30, 2021, 09:07:59 PM
I've read your project beginning to end. I agree with post 81 or 82, you've done all the right things. I am fascinated at how quickly you got everything accomplished. You commented on having the new carpet installed. Can carpet kits still be found for a Pinto? Mine is a '74 Runabout. Should I check with the outfit that did your visors? And, you got your tires from Coker?
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on August 01, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
Hi PintoRoy!

I got my carpets through SMS Auto Fabrics, who subcontracted it to ACC carpets. If your carpets are of typical colors like black, red, etc., you would be best advised to cut out SMS and deal with ACC directly to circumvent the markups…in my situation, I had the hard to find Vaquero colored interior, so it was worth the markup to get a better color match as they have the capability to order colors that may not be as readily available.

As for the visors, SMS had the same said colors in the factory correct Tier vinyl fabric. They carry all factory colors. I would recommend them for that service…with a caveat…if you are seeking black, save your cash by going with those available online as they are half the price. Other than black, SMS is the way to go. Let me know what color you are seeking, and I will do my best to find the link for you.

As for the tires, Coker is who I went with as they had them in stock with the WSW tires that I wanted as I am more of a purist…if black walls are what you are seeking, they have those as well but you might find them for less elsewhere…but as I have said before, I was amazed out of all the parts I sought for, the tires was the most elusive for me! When I speak with others, they have shared my sentiments as well… what size are you hoping for? I can try to look around for availability for ya?

As for the speed of my project…a lot has to do with having more time during the pandemic, and the motivation to get it ready for the Pinto Stampede. The stampede was almost the biggest carrot that I ever had as a motivator! Chuckling…

Thanks Dewayne for your kind words, and I will try to get those pictures posted by tomorrow…

Happy Motoring,
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: PintoRoyL on August 02, 2021, 08:19:51 AM
I am not necessarily a purist Dan, but I do appreciate a good stock restoration project. I tend to like to have personal touches to my vehicles, whether they be performance oriented, or comfort oriented (or both), sometimes with some mild bodywork modifications.
I have not yet decided which tire size I want, but would like something just a little wider than stock.  I checked that Facebook ad that you sent me a link to on my project thread. I was pleased to see that if I so choose, I can find 14" and even 15" 4 bolt rims. That would open up a larger selection of tires.
As for my interior, I began going black when the car got painted white in the middle '80s. The current carpet is a red/orange shag house carpet left over from a home remodel my parents did in the mid-late '80s. I have black door panels, kick panels, and luggage side panels. The headliner and dash pad are the original avocado green. Dash pad was the first thing I replaced when I bought the car in 81, I bought it the original green at the time, and later as I began charging colors, I painted it black, and also put a dash carpet cover over it. It should still be in decent shape if it has not gotten dry and brittle.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: r4pinto on August 18, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quite the story on your wagon. I noticed the Ohio plates. Nice to see another Ohio Pinto owner. Just got myself a squire wagon, although the way it looks you can't call it much of a wagon. More of an embarrassment on wheels lol. I have an 80 runabout in the garage that will give some parts before I sell it. Yours though is somewhat helpful. I'll for sure keep that woodgrain company in mind once my body gets to where it'll be worthy of higher priced vinyl. For now... Dollar tree contact paper. It'll at least look better than what's on it.  Any other plans for your car or just enjoying it now?
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on September 08, 2021, 12:09:39 AM
Yes, I am about twenty minutes from you per your profile info.

I just replaced the p/s pump and p/s hoses, idle pulley, and the AC clutch. I am behind with my forum/blog as for adding narratives and pictures…I will try to catch up soon!

Contact paper is definitely a cheaper route to take. I saw another red 1974 Pinto Squire wagon at the Pinto Stampede, and that owner used contact paper. The color was pretty good match, not perfect but only Pinto owners would know the difference. He told me it lasted for a couple of years before it struck and bubbled up. If you keep it as a fair weather car, you might get away for several more years…the advantage of contact paper is that it is not permanent, so you can just peel it off and reapply another…the trim pieces that surround the wood siding is much more of a challenge due to the indentations and curvature…the 3M stuff was difficult to apply so I would imagine it would be nearly impossible to get the contact paper to adhere!

If you need help to locate trim pieces or parts, let me know! If you need motivation, let me know and I’ll bring my Squire over…

Happy Motoring!
Dan 
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: r4pinto on September 08, 2021, 10:39:48 AM
Thanks! Always good to get encouragement. Right now I’d be happy if the seats weren’t falling through the floor. She’s very rough. Seeing yours is inspirational and eventually I will be doing ac in it. You know how our weather is. 10 months of winter, construction, and hot as shizod with about 2 weeks of nice weather . I saved the name of the company that did your vinyl work and am familiar with plain city so I’ll let them do the trim. That’ll of course be later down the road when it’s better to look at. Wouldn’t mind going to the shriner’s car show if they have it again. Been a few years since I went to it.


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Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on September 09, 2021, 10:50:27 AM
What color is your interior? I may have some interior pieces that might be helpful. If you are looking for replacement floor pans, I would reach out to dismantling yards in the SW part of the county like Arizona.  As for reproductions, there aren't any...but it would be worth while to check out Ford Mustang reproduction parts catalogs and try to get the closest match that you could find as they both share the same fox platform.

Good Luck and Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: r4pinto on September 09, 2021, 04:27:00 PM
I have a 1980 runabout I will cut the floor out of and use it. As for reproduction pans they have been made for about a year and are approx $100 per section. All but one section of my floor is good.
My interior is red, and except for the seats the interior isn't bad. I do need to take care of new carpet, headliner, and seats. The plastic panels though aren't bad. ui
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on May 19, 2022, 02:27:20 PM
Sorry for being out of touch!  I have been so busy with work and family!  I am resurfacing now as I plan to attend the Ford nationals at Carlisle in two weeks.  I needed to see what I have missed in the last few months! Any of you planning on bringing your Pinto to Carlisle???

I also noticed an issue with my Pinto, and wondered if any of you had ever experienced this or not.  When I first start my Pinto, it starts up fine, but the turn signals and speedometer would not work until it warms up and then I turn it off and restart it...the speedo and signals works like if nothing happened. What's the culprit of this?

Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: dga57 on May 20, 2022, 12:08:25 AM
Never experienced that with a Pinto but I inherited my dad's 1983 Ford pickup when he died in 2004 and had a similar problem.  It didn't happen every time, but often enough to be annoying.  Turned out that the problem was in the ignition switch.  Replaced it and the problem was solved.  Not saying this will fix your Pinto, but it might be worth looking into.


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on May 20, 2022, 02:24:39 PM
How should I test the ignition switch? It is not earth shattering, but like you said…it’s annoying!

Happy Motoring,
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: dga57 on May 20, 2022, 11:51:49 PM
How should I test the ignition switch? It is not earth shattering, but like you said…it’s annoying!

Happy Motoring,
Dan

Beats me!  I am NOT a mechanic.  I took the truck to the mechanic my dad always used and he replaced the switch and fixed the problem.  Sorry I can't be of more help, but the simple act of turning it off and restarting it matches up with what was happening with my truck  and it affected the turn signals and speedometer... just like your Pinto. 

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: caravan3921 on May 21, 2022, 09:43:20 AM
Is the ignition module the same as the ignition switch?
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Mattb on May 21, 2022, 02:45:49 PM
The ignition module is not the same as the ignition switch. The module mounts on the inner fender in the engine compartment. The switch is at the base of the steering column.( at least in a 77). Unless it changed after 78, the speedometer is driven by a cable from the transmission. Not sure why you would have an intermittent issue but check both ends of the cable are secure. Who knows when it comes to the turn signals. You could change the flasher but I say that only because its relatively cheap and easy to do. Testing with a volt meter at different points in the circuit would be the way to go. But when it comes to electrical issues in an old car check all your grounds especially at the light sockets.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on May 21, 2022, 08:25:12 PM
It’s interesting you mentioned the flasher, as that unit was replaced last year. I will recheck the connections. As for checking the grounds at the light sockets…please elaborate as I am unsure how to do that?

Like Dwayne experienced.. the speedo is dead with no turn signals…but once I drive it a mile or so, shut it down and restart…Speedo and signals works like nothing happened!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Mattb on May 21, 2022, 09:27:05 PM
Mainly check for corrosion of the socket where it mounts in the housing and the contact points for the bulbs. Do your parking lights and emergency flashers do the same? Someone more experienced than me my have some input but I don't see how the 2 problems are related. As far as I know the speedometer is purely mechanical with no electrical input.  Have you ever had your gauge cluster out? Perhaps the speedo cable and the wiring harness are both loose.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: dga57 on May 21, 2022, 11:43:14 PM
As I said, I am NOT a mechanic and, based on messages posted after mine, I suspect I used the wrong terminology when I said "ignition switch".  The part that was replaced on my '83 Ford pickup was the one the key goes into and turns to start the engine, located on the right side of the steering column... whatever that's called. 

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Wittsend on May 23, 2022, 11:21:58 AM
When you say the turn signals AND the speedometer won't work are you referring to the lights that illuminate the speedometer, or the indicator needle doesn't move even if the lights are off (daytime)?

The turn signals and the needle moving aspect of the speedometer are two distinct problems. A loose speedometer cable can be the problem either where it attaches at the transmission.. ., or under the dashboard. Also the lubrication in the speedometer cable can dry out. In cold weather it gets worse. Since the cable is a wound spiral it will twist and store energy until there is enough to break it free of the hardened lubrication. This will result in a speedometer that reads nothing for a moment, then snaps to a higher than speed reading and commonly waves the needle back and forth. As the car heats up this can often free the lubrication enough that it eventually works properly. Otherwise the speedometer itself can be at fault. The bearing isn't suppose to need lubrication (in theory it is built in) but I have had old cars where a drop of light oil helped things.

As to the turn indicators I would disconnect/re-connect the connector at the steering column. This can sometime remove corrosion (if that is the point of the problem). As mentioned the grounds can be a problem at or near the light socket. All DC circuits work on a plus and minus polarity. To save on the cost of wire the manufactures use the whole steel body as the minus side of the circuit and run specific wires for the plus side. Corrosion can occur where the bulb and the light socket meet, where the light socket and the light housing meet or where the light housing and the car body meet. SOMETIMES (some sockets are surrounded by a rubber boot) you can take a length of wire, attach it to a clean, bare metal part of the car and then if visible the bare body of the socket. If the light lights then the problem is somewhere in the contact points of the mentioned grounds. Lastly, like the lubrication in the speedometer the contact points of the turn signals also have a grease like lubrication. Intended to inhibit wear and spark it too can harden and become an insulator.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: one2.34me on May 23, 2022, 04:16:16 PM
Sorry for being out of touch!  I have been so busy with work and family!  I am resurfacing now as I plan to attend the Ford nationals at Carlisle in two weeks.  I needed to see what I have missed in the last few months! Any of you planning on bringing your Pinto to Carlisle???

I also noticed an issue with my Pinto, and wondered if any of you had ever experienced this or not.  When I first start my Pinto, it starts up fine, but the turn signals and speedometer would not work until it warms up and then I turn it off and restart it...the speedo and signals works like if nothing happened. What's the culprit of this?

Dan


My turn signals did the same thing. They seemed to work, occasionally, after they "warmed up". I finally replaced the turn signal switch with the listed switch below, D6OZ13341B. Rock Auto is sold out so I bought one on Ebay.


1975 FORD PINTO 2.3L 140cid L4 Turn Signal Switch | RockAuto (https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1975,pinto,2.3l+140cid+l4,1135167,electrical-switch+&+relay,turn+signal+switch,4832)


d6oz13341b: Search Result | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=+D6OZ13341B&_sacat=0)

The original switch was crusty with old dry lube and corrosion. The switches aren't cheap, but my turn signals now work perfectly. Note- this switch is for fixed steering columns.
Hope this helps you out.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on May 25, 2022, 03:03:07 PM
Did your speedometer stop working as well? If yes, and the switch did the trick for you…I will definately give that a try. Can you confirm your Speedo stopped or not?

I hope to see you at Carlisle,😀🚘

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Mattb on May 25, 2022, 04:00:38 PM
Take a look at the picture associated with reply#66.  Make sure the cable with the white gear on the end is secure. As you probably know that is your speedo cable with the driven speedometer gear on the end. There is a gear internal to the transmission that drives that white gear. That white gear can be changed to adjust for different tire sizes and rear axel ratios. The gears are made with several different numbers of teeth. While you’re at it, might want to make sure the gear is in good shape. As stated previously if still a problem could try cable lube and or lube speedo head.  Looks like new cables are available. While changing the turn signal switch could fix your turn signal problem, it will not fix your speedometer. It’s purely mechanical driven by that cable.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: one2.34me on May 26, 2022, 12:35:03 AM
My speedometer never stopped working. I did lubricate the cable once. It was squealing or the speedo needle was jumping. I can't remember which now. 
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on May 27, 2022, 07:12:03 PM
Thanks for the tips! I learned something new about the gearing adjustments…I knew there was a way to make such changes when you use a different tires…but didn’t know exactly where! How much of a change in tire size before it requires a gear adjustment?

Nevertheless, that was not the issue with my car…both Speedo and turn signals would not work unless t drive it a mile or so, turn it off, and restart…then both worked as nothing happened.

A neighbor said it could be a faulty ground? Your thoughts? Where would I start to look if that’s the case?

Happy Motoring! See ya at Carlisle!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Mattb on May 27, 2022, 08:56:32 PM
For the Pinto an inch increase in tire diameter  from stock will throw the speedometer off by about 3 mph.( assuming it is calibrated correctly to begin with). Using a speedometer gear with one less tooth will adjust for that. If the tire diameter is smaller than stock would want to go up in tooth number.
   Not to sound like a broken record( and someone correct me if I’m wrong) but your speedometer has no electrical input. There is no ground in the system. You have a mechanical problem.
  With regards to the turn signals corrosion at the bulbs/ sockets would be there areas where ground would most likely be a problem. Also consider a bad bulb. But your parking lights and emergency flashers might act the same way. If they work normally without the start stop you mention try swapping the emergency flasher for the turn signal flasher.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on May 28, 2022, 11:27:55 AM
The tires are from Coker Tires, Maxxis WSW 175/80R 13; The original sized 165’s were impossible to find. What’s the size difference between 165 and 175s? I was told it was like a quarter inch…but I am thinking if those numbers are in metric, so that would be ten milimeters. That’s .39 inches if my math serves me correctly. Less than half an inch…would that make it 1.5 mph difference rather than your quoted three miles? Odometer Reading more or less? 🤔

Secondly, you made an excellent point about the Speedo being mechanical thus should be unrelated to the turn signals, which is electrical in nature…but oddly they stopped working until I restart the car. It hasn’t happened in the last couple of days as I am driving it more (it hibernates during the winter months). Fingers crossed that it was just a quirky thing that resolves itself…I know, I know…nothing resolves itself, but I can only hope! 🤞🏻

See y’all in Carlisle!!! Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Mattb on May 28, 2022, 02:37:49 PM
I wasn't referring to your specific tire situation rather a generic statement. Speedometer changes are due to changes in tire diameter not width. There are online calculators you can find to compare your old tire diameter to the new. There are also online calculators to figure what speedometer gear you would use. The size of the tires that were on your car when you got it may not have been what it left the factory with. If your speedometer reading is close ( like  within 3 MPH @ 60 MPH) to what you get when you check it against a GPS then you are good to go.
Title: Re: My pandemic project!
Post by: Dtmix on May 29, 2022, 08:08:11 AM
Awesome suggestion about the gps to compare against the Speedo! I will def do that as I may be worrying about nothing!

You are right…I don’t know what I was thinking when I typed the nbr was sidewall measurements rather than the width…chuckling…

The tire shopping measurements I used was taken off the car’s orginal price sticker, which proved the 165 numbers.

Happy Motoring!

Dan