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Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« on: January 30, 2012, 11:06:42 AM »
Hi, I have a 74 runabout that has a 79 mustang 2.3 turbo engine in it, with out the turbo.  This is a turbo that mounts on the intake manifold with a carb.  I woiuld like to use the turbo, but it looks like a tight fit to the brake master cylnder and wireing harness on the firewall.  Has anyone used this setup before?  Please let me know.  Thanks in advance for the input!
 
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 04:57:53 AM »
Ok, a few questions here.

1. does your Pinto have power brakes?

2. What type of Ignition do you plan to use?

3. have you measured for the Cross-Over pipe yet?

4. Auto or Manual?

5. What carb are you going with?

6. how much boost do you plan on running?
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 10:35:38 AM »
Hi MOAB,
 
1.  My Pinto does not have power brakes
 
2.  I will upgrade to Pertronics or MSD
 
3.  I have not measured the crossover pipe.  However when I first got the motor I mounted it in and the exaust crossover pipe was too wide to fit in the engine bay, mostly the passenger side, but a custom one can be made to work.
 
4.  Transmission is a C-3 with a custom 2500 RPM stall converter.
 
5.  The engine came with a carb that looks similar to a 5200, but with a slightly different mounting bolt pattern, and slightly different air cleaner mounting bolt pattern.
 
6.  The ammount of boost that I will use is 5-7psi.  The engine was rebuilt with the proper Fel-pro gasket set, and the pistons are stock compression ratio.  Also I already have installed a Racer Walsh stock cam that is supposed to work well with a turbo.
 
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 11:13:13 AM »
im doing this ti my 78 bobcat as we speak, have not put the intake and turbo in yet, but did start the air cleaner box and looks like im going to have to take my a/c comperssor out to get it to fit!!!
will let you know
 
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as far as the turbo looks likehere is a ton of room!
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 12:27:19 PM »
Hi Eric,
 
So you have the same intake/turbo setup that I have? Cool, I cant wait to hear your progress.  I have to wait because I would like to get a new/rebuilt turbo before I do the conversion.  Please keep us posted.  One thing i noticed abnout the turbo on the intake manifold is the fact that there are two pipes, exaust in to the turbo and exaust out of the turbo and that maybe could be problems for oil changes.
 
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 01:22:24 PM »
Hi MOAB,
 
Very cool, i have the same engine/transmission in my 74 Runabout.  Did your crossover pipe fit correctly, or did you have to modify or replace it?  Also how is the power?  I have the same turbo setup for my car, but only have the engine installed with a regular carb.  It might be too late but, there is a place called Roadrunner torque converters in Phoenix, AZ that rebuilt and modified my TC to have a 2500 RPM stall for $85. Any way, nice job on your install.
 
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 05:39:41 PM »
I have Vids posted on my youtube account on what vac lines to use & other stuff I dont know how to post the vids in here.


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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 07:50:40 PM »
will keep you posted, did decide to remove a/c, it sucks because i live in fl. But want more speed, and that should keep me cool.lol. the only diff. i see between your car and mine is that i have a 4 speed manual trans, and the 79 mustang was the same, so not sure if this will help me or not. as far as the oil change q. there is a in and out oil line in mine so the oil will be filtered! the setup i got from another pinto member told me the biggest pain in the @ss about this setup is the vaccum lines there is a ton and needed to be in the right place and NO LEAKS! so other then that it looks easy( well easier then doing the efi turbo swap. i hope). Plus im totally happy about it looking like it was done in 79, a total turbo upgrade done in the 70's early 80's.
 
the wagon has all old school, 4 lug cragars, paint will be the orginal color with some lace graphics, want it to look like i found in a barn and washed and waxed and drive the crap out of it.
 
the overall swap should be easy, the brake booster should be about an inch from the turbo, most of the cooler and oil lines are right there. i am kind of scared to put a oil in my oil pan for the oil return, but it has to be done. The only thing i have a concern about is the exhaust pipes but do have a buddy that works in muffler shop so should be a piece of cake for him!
 
will post pics of mods as i get them done, will be hopefully taking the intake off friday, and putting the turbo and intake on next monday or tuesday.
 
trying to paint everything nice so i can bolt it up and not have to take apart later.
 
If anyone has done this and remembers any problems or hoops they had to jump through plz give me a heads up!
 
thanks
 
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 08:09:24 PM »
This is what it should look like with NO emissions gear on the engine & minimal vac lines in place.




Now here is the Vac line tutorial.

This is the "Bowl Vent Port" on the Holley(weber) 5200, unscrew it(x3) cut the diaphragm out, leave enough for a gasket & use 2 "C" clips to raise the vent solenoid screw it back together & yer done.

This Vac line is for the power valve, some 5200's had a port for it, some didn't

This is for the Choke.

EGR Block off plate, use the EGR gasket for a template

manifold Pressure Relief Valve, opens up when boost get too high manifol vacuum will keep it closed, over 15 PSI it will open... LOUD

Vacuum tree, PCV, Brakes, Transmission & Power valve are all the use this, cap the rest & be ready to swap the caps every 3-4 months gas will pool up in the lower ones & break them down
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 11:20:26 PM »
Hi MOAB,

Thanks for the details.  Eric in the post should find it helpful as well.  Good stuff.

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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 09:45:51 AM »
these pics are awsome!!!
thanks for info!!!
 
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 09:59:39 AM »
Cool write up. It's interesting to see the differences between the turbo and NA components. 

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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 06:01:32 PM »
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 10:49:37 PM »
This is the PERFECT example of a 2.3 drawthru setup.
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 07:38:33 PM »
Sir, I see your "PERFECT" example and raise you one simple fact... in a Fox chassis vehicle you have MORE ROOM to work with than in a Pinto.  Aside from the Trans-Am Shaker my 2.3t looks like a 70's install kinda the look I was going for.  Also on that "PERFECT" example I see some Esslinger engineering bits & or methods...


The "PERFECT" & or "BEST" engine to use is what ever you feel like using at the time you put pen to paper.  My Father and I started this project before he died, I am putting the build information here so others can benefit and society can suffer from the hard work many people have put into my Pinto.


Perfection is an illusion. Long live the Bastard child of Lido Anthony Iacocca
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Re: Different kind of 2.3 turbo
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2012, 09:40:43 PM »
Please,dont sir me as I work for a living. ;)

The perfect example I posted was in response to this
statement,

"This what it should look like with NO emissions gear on the engine & minimal vac lines in place."

I am well aware there is more room in a Fox than a Pinto,I have been working
in Ford dealerships since 76.

I have done the draw thru setup in a Pinto and Fox and am doing a 2.3 turbo drawthru setup in an 80 Pinto now. 

"Also on that "PERFECT" example I see some Esslinger engineering bits & or methods."..

Please show me where "perfect" has to be "stock".

"The "PERFECT" & or "BEST" engine to use is what ever you feel like using at the time you put pen to paper".

I put photo to page and I felt like using that photo to show how sanitary you can make a factory drawthru setup look.


I appreciate what you have done to your car and am glad you share your trials and tribulations with others that are likeminded as we are and I agree with part of your last statement,perfection is an illusion,much like the perfect Bonsai tree,we all have our own idea of perfection.

Sorry to hear about your father,I am having to deal with the impending death of my father in law
as we speak.