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Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2021, 12:49:18 PM »
Sounds easy enough. I tried reducing the size using Photoshop Elements, but they still would not load. My earlier pics were larger,  so I am confused as to why these will not load. I'm not sure if it shows on other's screens,  but my desktop and my phone both show a padlock at the very far right of the screen after clicking on the "your projects" category and scrolling to my thread. It has been that way for quite some time, do you think that I did something to myself that prevents photos from being added? Text posts seem to work, but not when including photos.

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Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2021, 05:48:18 PM »
I didn’t have much luck with photoshop…try the snipping tool, as it did the trick! Fingers crossed…

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Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2021, 06:00:25 PM »
Yea, when the light bub finally went on and I realized Windows (7 at the time) had the Snipping Tool it was a gamer changer for me. Now if we could only paste pictures into the body of the Forum text like you can into an email that would be awesome! Probably a security reason they need to be attachments???

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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2021, 05:15:32 PM »
I have a question. Many people have responded with good advice and suggestions. How do I give their response a "like"? I see a statistic for feedback below their avatar. Does that represent the number of "likes" they have earned?

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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2021, 06:35:23 PM »
If you want to "like" a certain person, click on their username, which will pull up their profile.  Then, you'll see on their profile the words "positive" and "negative".  Click on the one which best describes how you feel about that person.  It will automatically add one to their number.


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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2021, 08:07:04 AM »
I bought a pressure washer from Harbor Freight on Saturday. Sunday I hooked it up and washed the engine bay of the Pinto. Did a decent job, but I need to spray some degreaser and wash it one more time. Nearly all of my Pinto brake parts have arrived, so I sprayed PB Blaster on several nuts/bolts to soak. Not sure if I will actually work on the brakes during the weekday evenings, probably will wait until the weekend. Have new master cylinder, rear shoes, and wheel cylinders in hand. New front calipers, pads, hardware kit, inner and outer front bearings in hand also. Waiting on the rear hose, and both front hoses (due to arrive this afternoon). Will decide on new drums and rotors after disassembly.

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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2021, 07:26:24 PM »
After my morning coffee, I sprayed the engine bay with degreaser and let soak for a couple hours while I ran a couple of quick errands. When I returned, I pressure washed again. I was able to get everything a bit cleaner than I left it after pressure washing last week. Later in the day, I swapped out the old master cylinder for a new one. I am glad that I sprayed the mounting bolts with PB Blaster last weekend, those bolts had me wondering if I would end up with rounded heads. Fortunatly, all turned out well, even with my big hands and small access clearance. After finishing the master, I  removed the rear wheels and brake drums, sprayed PB on the bolts and brake lines to get them ready for the wheel cylinder replacement, and new shoes tomorrow. I feel that the drums are in good enough condition to continue using them, nice and smooth inside, no scars.
I've got pics, but until I am able to add them to my posts, I will have to save them.
I need motivation to get back working on the engine again, not very much left to do. I need to remove it from the stand, replace the large rear soft plug,, bolt on the flywheel, clutch, and pressure plate, torque down the intake and exhaust manifolds, and then it should be ready to set in. I need to either create a wiring harness for the electronic ignition distributor, or put the old points dizzy back in again. I notice that both distributors are slightly different near the drive gear. Can anyone tell me if the old points dizzy will work on a turbo engine block, and not mess up the oil pressure?

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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2021, 08:07:46 AM »
Yesterday, I pulled the old brake shoes, and also replaced wheel cylinders on both sides. Finished in time for lunch. Took a two hour break,  then went after the front brakes. Removed and replaced the calipers with brand new ones, installed new flex hoses. Doing the brakes at all 4 wheels, I found that I must have done a brake job shortly before the engine quit 25 yrs ago. The rear had new hardware, springs, and retainers. Rear drums in very good condition. Front pads almost brand new, rotors good. All that is left to do with the brakes, is to buy another bottle of fluid, install the new flex hose on the rear, then bleed the system.
I should probably start looking for tires. I was reading some other threads, it seems that 13" passenger tires are no longer made? That is crazy, aren't there cars new with 13" these days? I guess I'll find out pretty soon. If I can't get 13", are there 14" rims with the 4 bolt pattern?

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Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2021, 12:25:23 PM »
There still is one size tire available for a 13" rim.   There are more sizes in 14" (BF Goodrich Radial TAs are what I like).  You can find rims (Summit Racing had some in 4 bolt pattern).   Even the 15" rim tire choices are very limited (those were the hot size in the 80s).   I think the 14" are the largest rim that look "best" to me on a Pinto (or Mustang II) : that is totally my opinion....   I'm converting my Pintos to 5 bolt rims, there are more 14" or even 15" rims that size available.    Even fox body rims fit on a Pinto - with probably a bolt on spacer on the fronts.   I have found used 14" rims to be very affordable at swap meets.  On my '72,  I have 14" 6" wide turbine style rims on it and they look great (P215 size - but it has custom flares, so I'm not sure if they would fit under stock fenders in the front)

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Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2021, 03:43:42 PM »
While there aren't many 13" tires available there are "some." Right now the Tire Rack has Kumho Solus TA-11's for sale in 185-70-13" for $71 each. I just think people need to be somewhat flexible on getting a tire "near" original. More so getting a better tire even if it means a slight variation. They also had Laufenn's for $61 but at $10 more the Kumho's are likely a better buy. Federal use to be a manufacture that had a decent selection of 13" tires.

People just need to shop around on line rather than dropping in at their local small town tire store, asking for 13" tires, and getting a big NO (because the demand is low to non-existent)! There isn't a large selection but there are "some" out there on the internet.

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« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2021, 03:40:46 PM »
Maxxis Tires produces 13 inch WSW for both 165 and 185 (165 is on backorder with long wait times-I waited for 5 months before switching over to the 185 as I wanted to get the car on the road). Coker is where I got mine from at $169 a piece before Hagerty discount and it is possible you might find them at a lower price if you plow through the internet. https://www.cokertire.com/tires/maxxis-185-80r13.html

Frankly the 3/4 of an inch is hardly noticeable and had very little affect on the odometer, and the WSW was perfectly sized!

I did buy a refurbished Pinto rim to use as a Spare tire, as the one in the car was the space-saver that they used in the 1980 model year. I saved the space saver as it is original and never been down.  I found the rim online by googling refurbished 13" rims for Ford Pintos. Surprisingly, there are a lot out there.  The like-new refurbished ones I got was priced at retail between 60 to 65 bucks (price is back in November of 2020...nowaday s, they have gone up.  I have no idea as for why...I found some OEM 13x5 Steel wheel rims are available at Stockwheels.co m this afternoon for $65 if all redone (in black) or less if purchased as is and you can redo it by sandblasting and repainting it. It seems pricey...but I was happy with mine.

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« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2021, 03:55:22 PM »
I looked at Facebook marketplace, and there is a set of four tires, rims, and wheel covers for a 1979/80 Pinto priced $100 for the set.  I believe it will fit the older models as well.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/334722930045666/ Scroll down to July 14th advertised by a Justin Rasp.

Hope that helps?

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« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2021, 07:38:37 PM »
I thank the three you for the reply regarding 13" tires. I have 7 stock rims actually. Four mounted on the car, 1 as a spare,  plus 2 with studded snow tires. Of course, every tire is 25+ years old, since the last time that the car moved under it's own power was June/July 1996.
Besides tires, I should start thinking about dropping the fuel tank and making sure that it gets cleaned up/out. I should right now, as I am thinking about it, spray some PB Blaster on the fuel tank strap bolts to soak tonight/tomorrow. Sometime over this weekend, I need to put the new rear hose on the brake line junction block, bleed the brake system, replace the rear most freeze plug, install the flywheel, clutch, and pressure plate, and torque both the intake and exhaust manifolds. After that I can make plans to drop the engine back into the car, then when Harbor Freight gets a shipment of transmission jacks back in stock again, I will install the transmission. I got a rain check for their 450# transmission jack when they had their 4th of July weekend sale. The rain check is due to expire on August 3rd, but no stores within 35 miles have had one, so hopefully they will honor the rain check after the 3rd. Being above 60 yrs old, I don't want to have to bench press the transmission into place, then have it hanging by the input shaft until I can get bolts started. Last time I did it that way on any vehicle I own was nearly 4 yrs ago when I did the v6 to v8 swap on my GMC Caballero when I also swapped the factory 3spd stick for a 5spd stick.
One question I still have is, until I reinstall the turbo intake/exhaust manifolds, can I use the old points distributor as long I  am running the old carbed intake/exhaust. I know that the lower part of the shaft is different between the two distributors, but the overall length is the same, and the drive gear is located in the same location as well. I don't yet have the harness for the efi/turbo, although I do have the ecu that came from the Merkur that I got the transmission from.

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« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2021, 07:51:10 AM »
This last Saturday, I torqued the intake/exhaust manifolds, replaced the rear most freeze plug, then bolted and torqued down the flywheel. I was originally going to bolt on the clutch disc and pressure plate, but after looking them over, I decided to buy new ones. I sprayed PB Blaster on the rear brake line junction block, and on the fuel tank strap nuts, to get them ready for removal.
On Sunday, instead of working on the Pinto, I searched the internet for electrical schematics, available tires for 13" rims, browsed that Facebook ad that @Dtmix posted a link to, ordered a new water pump, and a new clutch kit from RockAuto, ordered an oil pump primer tool from Jegs, and also spent money at Amazon.com on non-automotive items. Later in the evening, I went back to RockAuto and ordered a new steering pump for my daily driver Caballero.

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Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2021, 07:35:29 PM »
OK, it's about 5pm Pacific Daylight Savings time, Saturday the 7th. Attempted to install the new clutch kit that I had purchased (it arrived yesterday), turns out that I ordered the wrong one. I ordered for an '88 turbo coupe (that's where the engine came from), but I should have ordered for an XR4TI, because that is the T9 trans going in. Oops. So I ordered the correct one, and will keep the one for 2.3/T5 in case I later run across a 2.3/T5 trans.  Next, I worked to make sure that the fuel tank is near empty. After not getting results with attempting to pressurize the tank with an air hose and a gas can at the other end of the fuel line, I pulled the hoses off the tank and began loosening the straps. Turns out that the tank is nearly empty already. Disconnected the vent line and now the tank is loose. I am a little wary of the rubber grommet where the filler tube enters the tank. Do those damage easily? Can I get a new one if I need to? Will I have to remove the left rear spring to get the tank out without damaging the grommet? I can wiggle the filler spout a little, but it is looking like it might be difficult to get back together by myself later. Should this be a two person operation? Are there any tips/tricks to removing/replacing the fuel tank? I think I will pause and take a breather here. I can still move forward and replace the rear flex hose, then bleed the brakes. The weekend won't be a total loss of time/effort. Maybe I can also mock up the location for the remote oil filter, and the oil cooler.

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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2021, 12:09:57 PM »
i needed one for mine when i put a new sender in the tank.i went to the ford dealership here in town.the part # is E1AZ-9072-B. the dealership has been here as long as i can remember, they didn't have it but they located one in richmond va.i called them and they shipped it to me.it was like 28 bucks to my door.hope this helps....
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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2021, 10:42:59 PM »
davidpinto, thanks for the part number. I'll see if I can make the time to place a couple of calls tomorrow to see if I can locate a new one.
I finished pulling the tank out, drained what was left in it, changed the rear flex hose,  then began working on accessories. I mocked up the position of the oil cooler, then repositioned both the ignition coil,  and the vacuum thingy, so that I could mount the remote oil filter.

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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2021, 09:32:04 PM »
Got home from work and found a brand new water pump setting next to the front door. Yippy!! Will plan on installing it this coming weekend. The correct clutch and pressure plate is expected to arrive about Tuesday of next week. Was busy at work today, I forgot to make calls looking for the rubber grommet between the filler tube and fuel tank.
On yesterday's post, I forgot to mention that I did get the brakes bled after changing the flex hose.

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« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2021, 06:21:02 AM »
I wonder what the difference is between a Type 9 and the T5 clutch is??   The pressure plate just bolts to the standard 2.3L flywheel which are all the same as I understand (I only have a '88 turbo 2.3L engine to look at).   I would think the clutch discs would be all the same dimensions (I only have the stock 2.3L T5 turbo disc and an SVO disc - they look the same for thickness & spline count)...    I'll count the splines on the spare Type 9 in my barn - maybe that's the difference??

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« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2021, 10:46:30 PM »
If I lay both pressure plates face down on a smooth surface, the T5 plate will stand taller by an estimated 3/8-1/2". The T9 input shaft has numerous more splines than the T5 plate. Since the T5 that I have came from a 2000 v6 Mustang, the input shaft is wrong for a 2.3L 4-cylinder. Unless I can get a 4-cylinder type input shaft with the v6 1st gear ratio, I must use the T9, or else do a full rebuild on the T5 with 4-cylinder internals. The cost would not necessarily be a problem, but I would like to see if I can get this car running again as soon as possible, so that I can move on to getting another vehicle going. I have a '79 Datsun p/u that became my driver when the Pinto quit in 1996. The Datsun only lasted until about early 2003, about 1yr after my wife's father gave us his '78 GMC Caballero (El Camino twin cousin). I have 6 cars in the driveway, only 3 of them are runners, the Caballero, a '79 El Camino, and a '98 Taurus. My 6th car is an '03 Focus that I purchased for my wife in 2005, and was a good little car until it quit in 2016.

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« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2021, 07:55:13 AM »
Did not work on the Pinto this last weekend. We were getting some wildfire smoke, and also getting a heat wave at the same time. But, I did go out and work on my daily '78 GMC Caballero anyway. I received some of the parts needed to finish my AC upgrade.  My goal is to have working AC in it before the end of the summer. The car was a base model heat only vehicle from the factory. Last summer, I installed a factory type AC airbox, and have been gathering the rest of the parts and brackets to get it finished.
For the Pinto, I am waiting on the proper clutch/pressure plate to arrive, and am beginning to consider/concentrate on the electrical system. We will see if I decide to make any changes/upgrades.

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« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2021, 05:23:27 PM »
How difficult is the a/c upgrade? I been intrigued by that.
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« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2021, 10:17:30 AM »
The AC upgrade is going into my GMC Caballero. It is considered an A/G body vehicle, and has many interchangeabl e parts with other Gbody vehicles built from 1978-1987. My upgrade is being done as if the car had been factory built with AC. I had to find an AC airbox, extra ducting, and a good dashboard that included AC vents. I also purchased the compressor, condenser, hoses, mounting brackets. The forward mounting bracket bolts on over the power steering bracket, and so I also decided to upgrade/install a brand new PS pump and steering gear box. I just received the last part needed last week, so I will work on finishing that project before summer is over.

For the Pinto, I received my clutch kit earlier this week and installed it, along with the new water pump I got a couple of weeks ago.  Purchased and installed a new thermostat while I was at it. Bought a  transmission jack from Harbor Freight. I believe that I am ready to drop the engine into the car, and begin readying the transmission for installation.

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« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2021, 07:26:47 AM »
Sounds like you're making good progress!!!


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« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2021, 11:10:02 PM »
Well, I thought I had written a post about this, must have been on the Gbody forum that I post on for my Caballero, but I ordered several more parts for the Pinto. Several days ago when I installed the water pump, thermostat, and clutch kit, I wanted to swap the pulleys from the older engine to the newer engine, but didn't have the correct pulley puller. I went online to RockAuto and checked the price on an alternator with the ribbed belt pulley, got a price, then called my local NAPA whse/store. They had one in stock for only $1 more than RockAuto, so I bought it from NAPA (they were also having a AAA member 25% discount sale). While I was on the RockAuto site, I browsed Pinto parts and found/ordered a new headliner, and a carpet, and also ordered a ribbed belt for a non-AC 2.3 engine (87 Ranger), and a Dave Graham CD repair manual. The manual and the belt arrived very quickly. I was not expecting the carpet or the headliner to arrive until late September, but I arrived home from work today, and the carpet was sitting on my doorstep. Parts are arriving too fast, I'm going to have to slow down....not! LOL!!

Instead of working on the Pinto this last weekend, I got my earlier mentioned Caballero steering pump and steering gear box installed, got the AC compressor and the condenser mounted, and got a few other relocation/add-ons taken care of. Now its time for the AC appointment to get the system flushed and charged.

This coming weekend will be Labor Day. So far nothing else is planned, so I think that I will drop the engine into the Pinto, possibly install the transmission, then work on mechanical finishing touches. Soon, I will begin stripping the interior carpets and headliner, still need to reinstall the fuel tank, buy an electric fuel pump (maybe I should order a new sending unit before I reinstall the tank), and no doubt find other things that I need to do (have not yet begun to clean up the electrical wiring).

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Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2021, 10:58:45 PM »
Did get the eng/trans dropped in as a combination unit. After thinking about it for a few days, I decided to try installing them together, using extra length of chain at the rear of the load leveler on the engine hoist to get extra tilt. It worked pretty good. I used the transmission jack near the end to hold the tailshaft up so that I could get the last couple of inches rearward before setting the engine on the mount pads. I inserted the driver side mount bolt and lifted the passenger side to install the starter, then bolted the exhaust pipe to the manifold. Next, I inserted the passenger side bolt, removed the driver side bolt, then lifted the engine enough to insert fittings into the oil filter adapter for the hoses out to the filter and in from the cooler, got the oil hoses fitted, routed. Not tightened down completely yet because I need a crow foot wrench due to the tight quarters.
I plan on being at the auto parts store early tomorrow to pick up some tools and supplies so that I can continue moving forward.

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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2021, 08:01:09 AM »
Sunday, I got the tools I needed for tightening the oil lines. After getting the lines tightened down, I secured the lines to the frame along their route. Next, I looked over the differences between the two trans crossmembers, trying to figure out what I would do for them. While mulling the crossmember over in my mind, I continued to stay busy connecting/routing all of the water lines. Packed up a little early, didn't want to be working in the dark like the previous weekend.
Monday, I took a drive to my local Lowe's for some metal to build the crossmember. Two 3ft sticks of angle iron, one 3ft flat bar, and a 4ft stick of very small angle iron. I way over bought material. I did not use the small angle iron, and only one of the other angle iron pieces. I bought thinking that I would have to build two or three units before I got it right, but the first iteration worked out well. I still need to get a couple of layers of paint on it before final install, but I have the trans resting in place on it already.

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Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2021, 10:55:00 AM »
"Next, I looked over the differences between the two trans crossmembers, trying to figure out what I would do for them."

"Monday, I took a drive to my local Lowe's for some metal to build the crossmember. Two 3ft sticks of angle iron, one 3ft flat bar, and a 4ft stick of very small angle iron. "

Sorry, I'm getting a bit lost in grasping exactly where this is all going. Does this regard installing a T-9 or a T-5 transmission mentioned a number of posts above? If so to save some effort my understanding is the T-9 transmission is pretty much a "bolt - in." Regarding the T-5 transmission I simply, unbolted the crossmember (BTW, 73 Pinto), turned it 180 degrees and slotted the mount bolt holes rearward. Otherwise I used the hockey puck transmission mount that was on the C-4 transmission I replaced with the T-5. Just hate to see a lot of effort if it isn't necessary. Here are a few pictures of the install of the T-5:

1. Slotted, reversed trans mount,  2. homemade clutch cable bracket to elevate the clutch cable over the engine crossmember,  3. homemade rearward shifter extension and shortened shifter to prevent knuckles from hitting the dash in 1st, 3rd and 5th gears.


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« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2021, 01:30:38 PM »
I apologize, I am posting in several places, I didn't make things clear enough. I have installed a T9 transmission, and the crossmember is completely different than the stock Pinto crossmember, so I had to create one from scratch. I had purchased enough material to make about three if the first/second was wrong. I was fortunate in that the first one worked :)  When I got home from work yesterday, I put some paint on it, and will add a second coat tonight, then bolt it in tight before, or over this coming weekend.

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Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2021, 08:50:31 PM »
After running errands until noon today, then having lunch, I had to do some work on my daily driver GMC Caballero.
After completing that project, I was able to do a little work on the Pinto. I bolted in the new cross-member that I built, then installed the driveshaft. I was afraid that the T9 trans was a little longer than the old 4spd, but apparently not. The driveshaft went in smooth as butter. I also looked for a convenient location to mount an electric fuel pump, but made no decisions yet. I will probably wait until I get a new fuel level sending unit, and reinstall the tank, before mounting the fuel pump.
Maybe tomorrow I will bolt on the alternator bracket, and install the radiator and fan. Or maybe instead, do some custom work with electrical. I want to add a battery cut-off switch. It would be easiest while I have some extra room to work with in the engine bay before installing the radiator and alternator.