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Title: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on February 01, 2021, 09:21:27 PM
Hello Pinto friends. I originally found and joined this site a couple of years ago, but was not ready to do a build project on my '74 Runabout. I have owned this car since November 1 of 1981. For the most part, it was a good and reliable vehicle for me. Some time around 83-84 one of the cylinder walls cracked, necessitating an engine replacement. While I was at it, I converted from an automatic to manual transmission. Shortly thereafter, I also had the car painted white, whereas it was originally an avocado green color (seats and headliner remain green to this day). In 1988, I drove from southern California to the area around Seattle, Washington. It burned a piston in 1996 and I pushed it into the garage where it has not moved from until I cleaned the garage last summer. I recently acquired a 2.3L turbo with automatic transmission that I am looking forward to installing. I have never owned a  turbo vehicle before, so I will be asking a lot of questions and learning about both turbo chargers and also fuel injection.  The engine reportedly came from an 88-89 Tbird. It looks complete, but without wiring harness and computer.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on February 06, 2021, 03:26:54 PM
Unable to post/preview photos. I have reduced pics to less than 1mb each. Can someone help me with instructions for attaching photos. Is there a required number of posts before I am able to include photos?(http://)
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on February 06, 2021, 03:32:19 PM
OK, I see that they do not show in preview, even though they are there. Those two pics were from July 3, 2020 when I drug the car out of the garage for the first time in nearly 24 years.
These two are from last week when I started this thread.
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Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Wittsend on February 07, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Hello, Welcome. The T-Bird Turbo Coupes were from 1983-88. So, you likely have an 87-88 engine. They were better in that they have bigger injectors, bigger VAM, were intercooled and rated at 190 HP (Manual). They have a smaller turbo (quicker spool up time) but some think it gives up too soon on air. The LA-2, LA-3 were the Manual designated computers for the 87-88 cars (Don't know the Automatics). Unfortunately the 87-88 wiring harness is a total mess. As I recall you can use other harnesses (The Merkur was stand alone) BUT.. ("Warning Will Robinson"), they are NOT pinned the same!!! So, you have to get that right. Remember even the newest Turbo Coupe (88) is now 33 years old and many of these parts aren't so easy to find. Others have used aftermarket computers.

 Turbo Ford (if it is still out there), NATO and The Ranger Station are good sites for Turbo stuff. Being your car is a '74 it is a lot easier than a 71-73 fitment wise. I have a 2 part post titled "So you want to build a turbo Pinto" but frankly a lot of it is the difficulties of adapting the 2.3T into a 71-73 car. Regardless http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/so-you-want-to-build-a-turbo-pinto-part-1/msg76893/#msg76893 (http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/so-you-want-to-build-a-turbo-pinto-part-1/msg76893/#msg76893) All the best in your build.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: 71pintoracer on February 11, 2021, 03:56:59 PM
There is also a forum here dedicated to turbo swaps. My car has a Ron Francis wiring harness and is way easier than trying to figure out a factory harness.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on February 13, 2021, 12:27:01 PM
Thank you wittsend for the links. Good article, well writen.

71pintoracer, thank you for the tio on the wiring harness. I will look into that .
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on February 25, 2021, 10:38:45 AM
If your engine has an IHI turbo, top-mount intercooler, valve cover with a dip in the middle, and brown-top injectors, then it is definitely an '87-88 T-bird version. Longblocks were all the same from '83-89 except for one of the intake manifold bolt holes.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on March 31, 2021, 10:08:49 PM
65ShelbyClone,
I thank you for the identification info.
I have been trying to post some pics of the injectors. They look like black ones to me.
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Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on March 31, 2021, 10:14:12 PM
That's the connector. I can't see the injector.
Black injectors are usually aftermarket replacements.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on April 21, 2021, 08:19:33 AM
I haven't done much yet with the Pinto, except look at it in the driveway. With spring in the air, I got the lawn mower going for this year, a few branches trimmed from some of the trees, and then the battery on my daily suddenly went bad. Most of the yardwork chores are now at a sustainable level, though those dandelions are fast growers this time of year. My thoughts yesterday were, "why don't I just drop the replacement 2.3L in, and get it running as a naturally aspirated engine, then see what other systems need work after sitting for almost 25 years". That strategy would get the car drivable while I read to learn more about fuel injection and turbo charged systems. Since my daily ('78 GMC Caballero) is my main project, the Pinto is less important to my day to day life, and going the simpler build route at this time would be the way to keep me motivated in the shorter term.
Some questions for those of you who own 2.3turbo motors: 1) Can I pull my existing flywheel from a '78 2.3 non turbo to use on an '87-88 turbo engine? 2) Are there any changes to a 2000 Mustang World Class T5 trans to be made before bolting to an '87-88 2.3turbo Tbird engine?
I appreciate responses, and advice, that those of you who are more familiar with your Pinto's are, than I am with mine.
I am aware that I will need a pilot bushing, and a bellhousing swap. Any other things to expect, or watch out for? Maybe a hydraulic clutch conversion?
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Wittsend on April 21, 2021, 11:15:07 AM

I don't know about the flywheel. Often when there is a question I will look up associated parts (in this case clutch disc, pressure plate) and see if they vary over the years span. It isn't a foolproof method but it would give you some idea.


The 2.3 used a specific T-5 noted for its 1st gear (some say 3.97 others 4.01). It has a LONGER input shaft than other versions. The V-8 version had a shorter shaft. I don't know if an extended pilot bearing is available..., or would work. There is caution regarding the throwout bearing possibly hitting an extended bearing (when depressed). A proper disc size/spline might be an issue too. The T-5 after 1995 was only available with the V6. The 94/95 T-5's had a longer (but not proper for a 2.3) input shaft. Other issues were an electric speedometer, in bellhousing hydraulic slave cylinder and flange instead of slip yoke driveshaft connection at the transmission.


It gets even crazier when you start to look at the GM T-5's (Nissan used it for a few years too). GM canted the whole transmission at an angle. And at one point GM went to the Ford belhousing pattern. At least in V-8 applications the GM T-5 was predominantly a 2.95 1st gear trans but they didn't go world class until 1988.


Basically you need an 85 (beginning of world class) to 93 2.3/T-5. But the newest of those in now 28 years old and can be as old as 36 years. Happy Hunting. When I did my Turbo Coupe drivetrain swap back in 2008 it made sense. I had already owned the donor car for 10 years. But I think today some of the more modern engine are likely a better swap. Unfortunately oil pan to crossmember and adaptable transmissions are an issue. And the most likely transmissions are truck transmissions.


https://www.moderndriveline.com/the-many-different-faces-of-the-t5/ (https://www.moderndriveline.com/the-many-different-faces-of-the-t5/)
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoTim2 on April 21, 2021, 01:58:18 PM
I would not use a Mustang T5 due to the mentioned 1st gear ratio.  Besides a good one is HARD to find used.  Turbocoupe T5 trans is the way to go - but the 83-86 Turbocoupe bellhousing is the one you need for a cable clutch (got mine on EvilBay).  I have found it easier to find a turbocoupe T5 since the Mustang crowd doesn't want them.  The flywheels are the same dimensions for all the 2.3.   The "2000 MY" T5 might be for a V6 ??  I don't know what the input shaft and bolt pattern looks like and if it will fit a 2.3L bellhousing.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Wittsend on April 21, 2021, 06:25:01 PM
Good that you mentioned the 83-86 bellhousing for the bell-crank cable hook up. It skipped my mind even though I had to get one for my '88. A minor point but there is the need to get the clutch cable over the crossmember. Some just use various construction framing brackets from the big box home improvement store. I made up a mount that fits in the existing hole. I designed it with an anti rotate (visible below the nut) incase it ever came loose using the existing (single) hole.

Lastly seating position is different for everyone but the stock T/C shift had me punching the dash and a very awkward motion. I cut and elevated the shifter into two or three parts (took numerous try's before it felt anywhere near normal) and then rewelded it. It still isn't as good as it was in the T/C but it is a WHOLE lot better than before.

 To quote my mother in law "Oh, Yea..., and another thing....." The trans mount needs to be reversed and holes slotted. I don't know if the manual early cars used the same round rubber mount but I am still using mine from the C-4.  "Oh, Yea..., and another-other thing....." the driveshaft will probably not be the proper length. I was fortunate. My '73 C-4 / Auto trans / 6-3/4" shaft fit perfectly when I went to the T-5 and an 8" rearend. I'd find what ratios are in the rear end before jumping to a T-5. They could be 2.79 and then it would surely bog and negate the swap. I run 3.40's on 13" tires and it is just about right. If the car will have tall tires 3.55 might be better.

Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on April 22, 2021, 08:30:41 AM
All good points to ponder, thank you. I did check on some of the part numbers, primarily for the input shaft. The input shaft is different for sure, but that can be changed easy enough in just a couple of hours on the bench while the trans is already out. It would be primarily the length of the shaft that I need to know,  that would tell me whether I must use an adapter/spacer plate between the eng/trans. The trans/rear gearing, as you said, is a must to keep in mind also. I did the input shaft swap on a t5 from a '92 S10 pickup connected to a Chev 307 that I am running in my daily driver GMC Caballero.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on April 22, 2021, 12:38:36 PM
The input shaft is different for sure, but that can be changed easy enough in just a couple of hours on the bench while the trans is already out. It would be primarily the length of the shaft that I need to know,  that would tell me whether I must use an adapter/spacer plate between the eng/trans.
Yeah, but the input shaft is part of the first gear ratio. You'll need one that matches the current ratio (whatever that may be) and fits a 2.3, which may or may not exist. There were at least three different versions of the 2.3 input shaft alone; the one in mine has a 4.03 first gear. '87-88 had a 3.97 and '85-86 SVOs had a 3.50. The only bellhousing adapter I know of is one that adapts a pre-'94 5.0 V8 T5 to the 2.3 block.

A note on shifter positions: the only T5 that doesn't require cutting the shifter hole is a Camaro version that Wittsend mentioned. The problem there is that the rear mount/crossmember needs more fabrication due to being on a weird angle. I think there are also some late '70s direct-pull bellhousings that fit on T5s so the cable doesn't hit the front crossmember, but I don't recall what the engineering numbers are.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Wittsend on April 22, 2021, 02:31:41 PM
65SC is correct. It is just not swapping out the input shaft because the 1st gear is attached to it. The easiest solution is finding a 85-93 2.3 T-5. And if your fortunate the bellhousing will be the one you need. Mine came from '86 Turbo Coupe.


 But as I mentioned above these are 28-36 year old transmissions. I did my swap back in 2008. At that time I would often find three to five T/C's in the two Self Serve yards in the San Fernando Valley area outside Los Angeles. It seemed like within 6 months I was fortunate to find one to three, then at times one infrequently and by 2015 I don't think I found another one even though I went once a month. So, if a 'large population/cars lasting longer' area like Los Angeles has long been depleted it must be a lesser chance in smaller markets.


I say this somewhat hesitantly. The V-8 T-5 and proper adaptation MIGHT be an easier route. Obviously the shaft is too short but fabrication of an extended throw out bearing..., or a hard press fit on the end of the input shaft of a shaft extender is at least something to ponder. The problems I potentially see are the extended throwout bearing being encroaching on the clutch disc center hub. With a shaft extender the the stability might be an issue. The reason I said MIGHT (above) is that I have been looking for a V-8 T-5 for my Sunbeam Tiger and those older Mustangs like the T/C's aren't around much..., if not at all. I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom just stating the realities. If you feel inclined to overcome those, all the best.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on April 22, 2021, 03:03:13 PM
Two other options are to change the cluster gear to match the input shaft (in other words, tear the trans completely apart and invest a lot of money) or look for a T9 out of a Merkur. A T9 is based on the Pinto 4spd and doesn't require cutting or fabrication AFAIK. The problem is that they're even harder to find than a good 4cyl T5 and they're not as strong either. I spent a few months looking in SoCal and saw a single one covered in grease and "might" need a rebuild for $600.

I remember when people would keep blowing-up their T5s instead of upgrading because they could find a cheap junkyard T5 on any given weekend. Long gone are those days.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on May 18, 2021, 07:36:16 AM
What are the odds? I found an '85 XR4TI at one of my local wrecking yard locations, and made a run up to check it out. The head had been removed years ago, but the exhaust manifold with turbo was still there, and also a two part intake manifold/throttle body. I grabbed those as quickly as I could get them out, then him-hawd around trying to decide if I wanted the T9 transmission. Shelbyclone commented that they are not as strong as the T5, but in the end I decided that if it were an easier swap, I would go ahead and pull it out. I pulled the flywheel and clutch also since the 2.3L motor I already have has an automatic transmission. I pulled the computer out, but did not get the harness because it has been hacked and cut.
A big THANKS, to all of you for the info you have been sharing. Will update as I work on this project.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Wittsend on May 18, 2021, 11:11:41 AM
Glad to hear you are finding obscure parts. Regarding the T-9, how strong 'strong' needs to be is probably how you drive the car. If you are not inclined to fabricate and drive with reasonableness it should be OK. The Murkur harness is actually desirable. It is a stand alone. The Turbo Coupe has everything comingled together and the 87/88 years are the worse. I spent DAYS sorting through my 88 harness and still had about 20 wires I wasn't sure of. But I was using the T/C steering column and that entailed a lot of extra consideration (click on image to enlarge). NOTE THAT ALL THE COMPUTERS ARE PINNED DIFFERENTLY!!! So, whatever harness you wind up using make sure the right wires go to the right pins.


 Curious, is this a self serve yard you found the Murkur in? Up until about 2016 I went to the Pick Your Park 50% off sales every month. Then I'd go over the U-Pull Parts yard. Unfortunately the U-Pull Parts yard folder in 2016 (it is now a Copart yard). And the Pick Your Part yard now thinks mid 80's Mercedes and early Miata's are "collector cars." What had been a large part of my "car life" for 20+ years came to an abrupt end. I'd get there at 6:30AM (after a 45 mile drive) and stay at times until closing at 6:00PM. It would be 100+ degrees and I'd be filthy and HAPPY! Anyway, back to Murkur's. Occasionally I'd se one in the early 2000's. Then nothing for years. I was in the Stanton Pick Your Part one day (maybe around 2008?) and there were four side by side. Then I never saw another the past 12 or so years. So, I'm glad that you found a Murkur. It is quite a rare find.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on May 19, 2021, 07:59:52 AM
I was raised down there in Cypress/La Palma. When in my 20's, I most often visited the Pick-a-Part up near La Mirada. It seems to me that there was also a self-serve wrecking yard on Beach Blvd, down the road from Knott's Berry Farm that I had used occasionally (30+ years ago). I am living immediately south of Seattle, Wa. now, and most of the yards here are not self-serve, but we do have Pick-n-Pull which is self-serve. I am right in the middle of four of them, one each, 25 and 50 miles north, and 25 and 50 miles south. You talk about HAPPY, my wife is not thrilled about me working on the Pinto, she has no appreciation for "classic" cars, but getting to the yards is therapeutic to me, I get a chance to relax and be with my own thoughts and imagination.
I'm currently thinking that I will install the  turbo coupe engine using the NA manifolds and carburetor from the old motor for a time to 1) see if the motor even runs, 2) to operate the vehicle a bit to see what 25 years of deterioration has done to the various systems, ie: brakes, electrical, ect., and 3) take the time to learn how efi and turbo systems work.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on May 25, 2021, 04:48:03 PM
Although the T9 is not as strong as a T5, they are perfectly fine in a stock or mildly modified XR4Ti and would have an easier time in a Pinto due to the lighter weight. In fact, if yours has a 6.75" rear, that is probably the weaker link. The European crowd also mentions that a stock T9 gets balky to shift at high RPM, but a 2.3T is unlikely to rev that high without a lot of work. They were putting them behind built 2.0s and Cosworth 2.0s that twist 7500+. A 2.3T that can do that with purpose will be making way too much power for the gearbox anyway.
If you have an '85 ("E3") turbo manifold with the round bosses on each runner, look it over to make sure it isn't cracked. They often do between 2 and 3. The '85.5+ E6SE manifold is much less likely to crack and it flows better.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on June 19, 2021, 07:41:54 PM
TEST
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Are we unlocked yet?
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on June 19, 2021, 07:47:29 PM
Cannot post including pics, error page pops up.
Seems to work without pics
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on June 19, 2021, 08:33:36 PM
Have been trying to post since Memorial weekend to provide an update. On Saturday, May 29, I noticed that the birds nesting in my engine hoist had gone. I decided to wait one more day, just in case. On Sunday the 30th, with no parent/fledgling activity, I began disconnecting all of the ancillary connections for the engine removal process. I got everything ready under the hood. I disconnected all of the electrical, vacuum, ign coil, throttle cable, pulled the fan and radiator, ect., ect., then sprayed all of the major bolts with PB Blaster to soak overnight. On Monday the 31st, I disconnected the stick shift handle, removed the driveshaft, motor and trans bolts/mounts, speedo cable, backup light wiring, exhaust pipe flange, clutch cable, and fuel lines. I then hooked the load leveler to the hoist and pulled the engine/trans as one unit. The old engine/trans is now in the carport alongside the engine that is going to go in, while the 5-spd trans to be connected to it, is in the garage.
My next objective is to remove/swap the intake/exhaust manifolds from the old engine to the one going in to the car. As I looked for gaskets at Rock Auto, I saw that there are three different gasket types; a round, an oval, and a "D" type. I need to make the time to see which type I will need, and I am hoping that both heads use the same type.

Something is up with my computer I think. when I tried to update over the last couple of weeks, I was also trying to include pics. I kept getting some sort of error message, or a message that I had double posted. As you can see the two previous posts to this one, I have figured out that I can post, but only without pics. The pics that I was trying to include are smaller than 3MB, so I can not figure out why they will not work. Maybe the wrong format? They are JPEG's, so I don't know why they don't work.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: dga57 on June 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Roy,
Glad to see that you're able to post again!  Wish I could be of some help with the photo issue but I've never been able to post pictures either. 
Dwayne :)
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on June 19, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
I resized my pics to less than 1MB each. Let's see if they work now.

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If the pics are here, the first is with engine ready to pull out, the second, engine/trans hanging on the hoist.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on June 19, 2021, 10:29:18 PM
Pics still not working.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Wittsend on June 20, 2021, 10:39:05 AM

I resized my pics to less than 1MB each. Let's see if they work now.


Later post: Pics still not working.


Near 1 MB would still be three times too big. Got to get them individually down below the number I circled in red (Image below, click on it to enlarge, read it). And frankly that limit will make for a very large image that the slide bars will be needed to sectionally view the picture. Usually when I post an image to a forum they are between 50KB and 150KB. And the 150KB images pretty much fill the screen. For reference the image I'm displaying here is a mere 24KB. Unfortunately the resolution a modern phone/camera is capable of, and the capacity to display/store the image on Forums like this are worlds apart.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on July 06, 2021, 08:19:28 AM
I spent this weekend mostly working on the Pinto motor. Replaced the old timing belt and tensioner with new, removed the tbird oil pan, installed new high volume oil pump and new pickup tube, drilled out plug for the dip stick, installed the Pinto oil pan. Removed motor mounts and brackets, installed new mounts in correct brackets on '88 engine, exhaust gasket and manifold is lightly snugged on, and intake manifold is loose with two bolts so that I can measure/cut all of my new hoses. I had also replaced the 4 expansion plugs that I can reach (3 under the exhaust, 1 at the rear of the head) until I remove the engine from the stand (then I will get the large one at the rear of the block).
I ordered brake parts a couple days ago, new master cylinder, rear wheel cylinders, front disc pads. Picked up both front calipers at NAPA yesterday. In writing this, I realize that I need to order rear brake shoes, plus I need to order new clutch plate and disc. I have a needle bearing pilot bearing, throw out bearing already. The engine block half of a remote oil filter adapter is installed, and an oil cooler is on the way.
I am happy with what I got accomplished over this weekend, considering that I am the only able bodied person at home, taking care of my wife, and the pets, and the shopping.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Dtmix on July 07, 2021, 07:27:11 AM
Yeah...the picture problem is an ongoing issue.  I learned of a workaround from another Pinto member...

1.) type "snipping tool" in your search-bar on the bottom left screen if you have Windows. 
2.) The free app will appear. (Do this once you have the desired picture on your screen first). 
3.) Click "New" on the pop-up and shade the area of the picture you want and save it as a new picture to your pictures album.  This reduces the size of the picture. 
4.) Once you are posting on the Pinto forum, you click attach "choose file" below your posting and select the snipped picture that you have saved. (Note: Although it says you can do four per post, but I suggest no more than two per posting as the size would exceeded).
5.)  If you wish to do more than two, just type "continued" and "post" at the end of your first post.  This will let the reader know there's more pictures coming.  Once posted, you click "reply" to create the next post and upload two more pictures.

I hope my directions is clearer than sludge in a barn-find Pinto?  If not, let me know and I will try to create a screenshot tutorial...

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on July 10, 2021, 12:49:18 PM
Sounds easy enough. I tried reducing the size using Photoshop Elements, but they still would not load. My earlier pics were larger,  so I am confused as to why these will not load. I'm not sure if it shows on other's screens,  but my desktop and my phone both show a padlock at the very far right of the screen after clicking on the "your projects" category and scrolling to my thread. It has been that way for quite some time, do you think that I did something to myself that prevents photos from being added? Text posts seem to work, but not when including photos.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Dtmix on July 10, 2021, 05:48:18 PM
I didn’t have much luck with photoshop…try the snipping tool, as it did the trick! Fingers crossed…

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Wittsend on July 10, 2021, 06:00:25 PM
Yea, when the light bub finally went on and I realized Windows (7 at the time) had the Snipping Tool it was a gamer changer for me. Now if we could only paste pictures into the body of the Forum text like you can into an email that would be awesome! Probably a security reason they need to be attachments???
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on July 11, 2021, 05:15:32 PM
I have a question. Many people have responded with good advice and suggestions. How do I give their response a "like"? I see a statistic for feedback below their avatar. Does that represent the number of "likes" they have earned?
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: dga57 on July 11, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
If you want to "like" a certain person, click on their username, which will pull up their profile.  Then, you'll see on their profile the words "positive" and "negative".  Click on the one which best describes how you feel about that person.  It will automatically add one to their number.


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on July 19, 2021, 08:07:04 AM
I bought a pressure washer from Harbor Freight on Saturday. Sunday I hooked it up and washed the engine bay of the Pinto. Did a decent job, but I need to spray some degreaser and wash it one more time. Nearly all of my Pinto brake parts have arrived, so I sprayed PB Blaster on several nuts/bolts to soak. Not sure if I will actually work on the brakes during the weekday evenings, probably will wait until the weekend. Have new master cylinder, rear shoes, and wheel cylinders in hand. New front calipers, pads, hardware kit, inner and outer front bearings in hand also. Waiting on the rear hose, and both front hoses (due to arrive this afternoon). Will decide on new drums and rotors after disassembly.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on July 24, 2021, 07:26:24 PM
After my morning coffee, I sprayed the engine bay with degreaser and let soak for a couple hours while I ran a couple of quick errands. When I returned, I pressure washed again. I was able to get everything a bit cleaner than I left it after pressure washing last week. Later in the day, I swapped out the old master cylinder for a new one. I am glad that I sprayed the mounting bolts with PB Blaster last weekend, those bolts had me wondering if I would end up with rounded heads. Fortunatly, all turned out well, even with my big hands and small access clearance. After finishing the master, I  removed the rear wheels and brake drums, sprayed PB on the bolts and brake lines to get them ready for the wheel cylinder replacement, and new shoes tomorrow. I feel that the drums are in good enough condition to continue using them, nice and smooth inside, no scars.
I've got pics, but until I am able to add them to my posts, I will have to save them.
I need motivation to get back working on the engine again, not very much left to do. I need to remove it from the stand, replace the large rear soft plug,, bolt on the flywheel, clutch, and pressure plate, torque down the intake and exhaust manifolds, and then it should be ready to set in. I need to either create a wiring harness for the electronic ignition distributor, or put the old points dizzy back in again. I notice that both distributors are slightly different near the drive gear. Can anyone tell me if the old points dizzy will work on a turbo engine block, and not mess up the oil pressure?
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Post by: PintoRoyL on July 26, 2021, 08:07:46 AM
Yesterday, I pulled the old brake shoes, and also replaced wheel cylinders on both sides. Finished in time for lunch. Took a two hour break,  then went after the front brakes. Removed and replaced the calipers with brand new ones, installed new flex hoses. Doing the brakes at all 4 wheels, I found that I must have done a brake job shortly before the engine quit 25 yrs ago. The rear had new hardware, springs, and retainers. Rear drums in very good condition. Front pads almost brand new, rotors good. All that is left to do with the brakes, is to buy another bottle of fluid, install the new flex hose on the rear, then bleed the system.
I should probably start looking for tires. I was reading some other threads, it seems that 13" passenger tires are no longer made? That is crazy, aren't there cars new with 13" these days? I guess I'll find out pretty soon. If I can't get 13", are there 14" rims with the 4 bolt pattern?
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Post by: PintoTim2 on July 26, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
There still is one size tire available for a 13" rim.   There are more sizes in 14" (BF Goodrich Radial TAs are what I like).  You can find rims (Summit Racing had some in 4 bolt pattern).   Even the 15" rim tire choices are very limited (those were the hot size in the 80s).   I think the 14" are the largest rim that look "best" to me on a Pinto (or Mustang II) : that is totally my opinion....   I'm converting my Pintos to 5 bolt rims, there are more 14" or even 15" rims that size available.    Even fox body rims fit on a Pinto - with probably a bolt on spacer on the fronts.   I have found used 14" rims to be very affordable at swap meets.  On my '72,  I have 14" 6" wide turbine style rims on it and they look great (P215 size - but it has custom flares, so I'm not sure if they would fit under stock fenders in the front)
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Post by: Wittsend on July 26, 2021, 03:43:42 PM
While there aren't many 13" tires available there are "some." Right now the Tire Rack has Kumho Solus TA-11's for sale in 185-70-13" for $71 each. I just think people need to be somewhat flexible on getting a tire "near" original. More so getting a better tire even if it means a slight variation. They also had Laufenn's for $61 but at $10 more the Kumho's are likely a better buy. Federal use to be a manufacture that had a decent selection of 13" tires.

People just need to shop around on line rather than dropping in at their local small town tire store, asking for 13" tires, and getting a big NO (because the demand is low to non-existent)! There isn't a large selection but there are "some" out there on the internet.
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Post by: Dtmix on July 29, 2021, 03:40:46 PM
Maxxis Tires produces 13 inch WSW for both 165 and 185 (165 is on backorder with long wait times-I waited for 5 months before switching over to the 185 as I wanted to get the car on the road). Coker is where I got mine from at $169 a piece before Hagerty discount and it is possible you might find them at a lower price if you plow through the internet. https://www.cokertire.com/tires/maxxis-185-80r13.html

Frankly the 3/4 of an inch is hardly noticeable and had very little affect on the odometer, and the WSW was perfectly sized!

I did buy a refurbished Pinto rim to use as a Spare tire, as the one in the car was the space-saver that they used in the 1980 model year. I saved the space saver as it is original and never been down.  I found the rim online by googling refurbished 13" rims for Ford Pintos. Surprisingly, there are a lot out there.  The like-new refurbished ones I got was priced at retail between 60 to 65 bucks (price is back in November of 2020...nowaday s, they have gone up.  I have no idea as for why...I found some OEM 13x5 Steel wheel rims are available at Stockwheels.co m this afternoon for $65 if all redone (in black) or less if purchased as is and you can redo it by sandblasting and repainting it. It seems pricey...but I was happy with mine.

Happy Motoring!
Dan
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Post by: Dtmix on July 29, 2021, 03:55:22 PM
I looked at Facebook marketplace, and there is a set of four tires, rims, and wheel covers for a 1979/80 Pinto priced $100 for the set.  I believe it will fit the older models as well.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/334722930045666/ Scroll down to July 14th advertised by a Justin Rasp.

Hope that helps?

Happy Motoring!
Dan

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Post by: PintoRoyL on July 30, 2021, 07:38:37 PM
I thank the three you for the reply regarding 13" tires. I have 7 stock rims actually. Four mounted on the car, 1 as a spare,  plus 2 with studded snow tires. Of course, every tire is 25+ years old, since the last time that the car moved under it's own power was June/July 1996.
Besides tires, I should start thinking about dropping the fuel tank and making sure that it gets cleaned up/out. I should right now, as I am thinking about it, spray some PB Blaster on the fuel tank strap bolts to soak tonight/tomorrow. Sometime over this weekend, I need to put the new rear hose on the brake line junction block, bleed the brake system, replace the rear most freeze plug, install the flywheel, clutch, and pressure plate, and torque both the intake and exhaust manifolds. After that I can make plans to drop the engine back into the car, then when Harbor Freight gets a shipment of transmission jacks back in stock again, I will install the transmission. I got a rain check for their 450# transmission jack when they had their 4th of July weekend sale. The rain check is due to expire on August 3rd, but no stores within 35 miles have had one, so hopefully they will honor the rain check after the 3rd. Being above 60 yrs old, I don't want to have to bench press the transmission into place, then have it hanging by the input shaft until I can get bolts started. Last time I did it that way on any vehicle I own was nearly 4 yrs ago when I did the v6 to v8 swap on my GMC Caballero when I also swapped the factory 3spd stick for a 5spd stick.
One question I still have is, until I reinstall the turbo intake/exhaust manifolds, can I use the old points distributor as long I  am running the old carbed intake/exhaust. I know that the lower part of the shaft is different between the two distributors, but the overall length is the same, and the drive gear is located in the same location as well. I don't yet have the harness for the efi/turbo, although I do have the ecu that came from the Merkur that I got the transmission from.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on August 02, 2021, 07:51:10 AM
This last Saturday, I torqued the intake/exhaust manifolds, replaced the rear most freeze plug, then bolted and torqued down the flywheel. I was originally going to bolt on the clutch disc and pressure plate, but after looking them over, I decided to buy new ones. I sprayed PB Blaster on the rear brake line junction block, and on the fuel tank strap nuts, to get them ready for removal.
On Sunday, instead of working on the Pinto, I searched the internet for electrical schematics, available tires for 13" rims, browsed that Facebook ad that @Dtmix posted a link to, ordered a new water pump, and a new clutch kit from RockAuto, ordered an oil pump primer tool from Jegs, and also spent money at Amazon.com on non-automotive items. Later in the evening, I went back to RockAuto and ordered a new steering pump for my daily driver Caballero.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on August 07, 2021, 07:35:29 PM
OK, it's about 5pm Pacific Daylight Savings time, Saturday the 7th. Attempted to install the new clutch kit that I had purchased (it arrived yesterday), turns out that I ordered the wrong one. I ordered for an '88 turbo coupe (that's where the engine came from), but I should have ordered for an XR4TI, because that is the T9 trans going in. Oops. So I ordered the correct one, and will keep the one for 2.3/T5 in case I later run across a 2.3/T5 trans.  Next, I worked to make sure that the fuel tank is near empty. After not getting results with attempting to pressurize the tank with an air hose and a gas can at the other end of the fuel line, I pulled the hoses off the tank and began loosening the straps. Turns out that the tank is nearly empty already. Disconnected the vent line and now the tank is loose. I am a little wary of the rubber grommet where the filler tube enters the tank. Do those damage easily? Can I get a new one if I need to? Will I have to remove the left rear spring to get the tank out without damaging the grommet? I can wiggle the filler spout a little, but it is looking like it might be difficult to get back together by myself later. Should this be a two person operation? Are there any tips/tricks to removing/replacing the fuel tank? I think I will pause and take a breather here. I can still move forward and replace the rear flex hose, then bleed the brakes. The weekend won't be a total loss of time/effort. Maybe I can also mock up the location for the remote oil filter, and the oil cooler.
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Post by: davidpinto on August 08, 2021, 12:09:57 PM
i needed one for mine when i put a new sender in the tank.i went to the ford dealership here in town.the part # is E1AZ-9072-B. the dealership has been here as long as i can remember, they didn't have it but they located one in richmond va.i called them and they shipped it to me.it was like 28 bucks to my door.hope this helps....
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Post by: PintoRoyL on August 08, 2021, 10:42:59 PM
davidpinto, thanks for the part number. I'll see if I can make the time to place a couple of calls tomorrow to see if I can locate a new one.
I finished pulling the tank out, drained what was left in it, changed the rear flex hose,  then began working on accessories. I mocked up the position of the oil cooler, then repositioned both the ignition coil,  and the vacuum thingy, so that I could mount the remote oil filter.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on August 09, 2021, 09:32:04 PM
Got home from work and found a brand new water pump setting next to the front door. Yippy!! Will plan on installing it this coming weekend. The correct clutch and pressure plate is expected to arrive about Tuesday of next week. Was busy at work today, I forgot to make calls looking for the rubber grommet between the filler tube and fuel tank.
On yesterday's post, I forgot to mention that I did get the brakes bled after changing the flex hose.
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Post by: PintoTim2 on August 10, 2021, 06:21:02 AM
I wonder what the difference is between a Type 9 and the T5 clutch is??   The pressure plate just bolts to the standard 2.3L flywheel which are all the same as I understand (I only have a '88 turbo 2.3L engine to look at).   I would think the clutch discs would be all the same dimensions (I only have the stock 2.3L T5 turbo disc and an SVO disc - they look the same for thickness & spline count)...    I'll count the splines on the spare Type 9 in my barn - maybe that's the difference??
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Post by: PintoRoyL on August 10, 2021, 10:46:30 PM
If I lay both pressure plates face down on a smooth surface, the T5 plate will stand taller by an estimated 3/8-1/2". The T9 input shaft has numerous more splines than the T5 plate. Since the T5 that I have came from a 2000 v6 Mustang, the input shaft is wrong for a 2.3L 4-cylinder. Unless I can get a 4-cylinder type input shaft with the v6 1st gear ratio, I must use the T9, or else do a full rebuild on the T5 with 4-cylinder internals. The cost would not necessarily be a problem, but I would like to see if I can get this car running again as soon as possible, so that I can move on to getting another vehicle going. I have a '79 Datsun p/u that became my driver when the Pinto quit in 1996. The Datsun only lasted until about early 2003, about 1yr after my wife's father gave us his '78 GMC Caballero (El Camino twin cousin). I have 6 cars in the driveway, only 3 of them are runners, the Caballero, a '79 El Camino, and a '98 Taurus. My 6th car is an '03 Focus that I purchased for my wife in 2005, and was a good little car until it quit in 2016.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on August 16, 2021, 07:55:13 AM
Did not work on the Pinto this last weekend. We were getting some wildfire smoke, and also getting a heat wave at the same time. But, I did go out and work on my daily '78 GMC Caballero anyway. I received some of the parts needed to finish my AC upgrade.  My goal is to have working AC in it before the end of the summer. The car was a base model heat only vehicle from the factory. Last summer, I installed a factory type AC airbox, and have been gathering the rest of the parts and brackets to get it finished.
For the Pinto, I am waiting on the proper clutch/pressure plate to arrive, and am beginning to consider/concentrate on the electrical system. We will see if I decide to make any changes/upgrades.
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Post by: r4pinto on August 18, 2021, 05:23:27 PM
How difficult is the a/c upgrade? I been intrigued by that.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on August 23, 2021, 10:17:30 AM
The AC upgrade is going into my GMC Caballero. It is considered an A/G body vehicle, and has many interchangeabl e parts with other Gbody vehicles built from 1978-1987. My upgrade is being done as if the car had been factory built with AC. I had to find an AC airbox, extra ducting, and a good dashboard that included AC vents. I also purchased the compressor, condenser, hoses, mounting brackets. The forward mounting bracket bolts on over the power steering bracket, and so I also decided to upgrade/install a brand new PS pump and steering gear box. I just received the last part needed last week, so I will work on finishing that project before summer is over.

For the Pinto, I received my clutch kit earlier this week and installed it, along with the new water pump I got a couple of weeks ago.  Purchased and installed a new thermostat while I was at it. Bought a  transmission jack from Harbor Freight. I believe that I am ready to drop the engine into the car, and begin readying the transmission for installation.
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Post by: dga57 on August 24, 2021, 07:26:47 AM
Sounds like you're making good progress!!!


Dwayne :)
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Post by: PintoRoyL on August 30, 2021, 11:10:02 PM
Well, I thought I had written a post about this, must have been on the Gbody forum that I post on for my Caballero, but I ordered several more parts for the Pinto. Several days ago when I installed the water pump, thermostat, and clutch kit, I wanted to swap the pulleys from the older engine to the newer engine, but didn't have the correct pulley puller. I went online to RockAuto and checked the price on an alternator with the ribbed belt pulley, got a price, then called my local NAPA whse/store. They had one in stock for only $1 more than RockAuto, so I bought it from NAPA (they were also having a AAA member 25% discount sale). While I was on the RockAuto site, I browsed Pinto parts and found/ordered a new headliner, and a carpet, and also ordered a ribbed belt for a non-AC 2.3 engine (87 Ranger), and a Dave Graham CD repair manual. The manual and the belt arrived very quickly. I was not expecting the carpet or the headliner to arrive until late September, but I arrived home from work today, and the carpet was sitting on my doorstep. Parts are arriving too fast, I'm going to have to slow down....not! LOL!!

Instead of working on the Pinto this last weekend, I got my earlier mentioned Caballero steering pump and steering gear box installed, got the AC compressor and the condenser mounted, and got a few other relocation/add-ons taken care of. Now its time for the AC appointment to get the system flushed and charged.

This coming weekend will be Labor Day. So far nothing else is planned, so I think that I will drop the engine into the Pinto, possibly install the transmission, then work on mechanical finishing touches. Soon, I will begin stripping the interior carpets and headliner, still need to reinstall the fuel tank, buy an electric fuel pump (maybe I should order a new sending unit before I reinstall the tank), and no doubt find other things that I need to do (have not yet begun to clean up the electrical wiring).
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Post by: PintoRoyL on September 04, 2021, 10:58:45 PM
Did get the eng/trans dropped in as a combination unit. After thinking about it for a few days, I decided to try installing them together, using extra length of chain at the rear of the load leveler on the engine hoist to get extra tilt. It worked pretty good. I used the transmission jack near the end to hold the tailshaft up so that I could get the last couple of inches rearward before setting the engine on the mount pads. I inserted the driver side mount bolt and lifted the passenger side to install the starter, then bolted the exhaust pipe to the manifold. Next, I inserted the passenger side bolt, removed the driver side bolt, then lifted the engine enough to insert fittings into the oil filter adapter for the hoses out to the filter and in from the cooler, got the oil hoses fitted, routed. Not tightened down completely yet because I need a crow foot wrench due to the tight quarters.
I plan on being at the auto parts store early tomorrow to pick up some tools and supplies so that I can continue moving forward.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on September 07, 2021, 08:01:09 AM
Sunday, I got the tools I needed for tightening the oil lines. After getting the lines tightened down, I secured the lines to the frame along their route. Next, I looked over the differences between the two trans crossmembers, trying to figure out what I would do for them. While mulling the crossmember over in my mind, I continued to stay busy connecting/routing all of the water lines. Packed up a little early, didn't want to be working in the dark like the previous weekend.
Monday, I took a drive to my local Lowe's for some metal to build the crossmember. Two 3ft sticks of angle iron, one 3ft flat bar, and a 4ft stick of very small angle iron. I way over bought material. I did not use the small angle iron, and only one of the other angle iron pieces. I bought thinking that I would have to build two or three units before I got it right, but the first iteration worked out well. I still need to get a couple of layers of paint on it before final install, but I have the trans resting in place on it already.
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Post by: Wittsend on September 07, 2021, 10:55:00 AM
"Next, I looked over the differences between the two trans crossmembers, trying to figure out what I would do for them."

"Monday, I took a drive to my local Lowe's for some metal to build the crossmember. Two 3ft sticks of angle iron, one 3ft flat bar, and a 4ft stick of very small angle iron. "

Sorry, I'm getting a bit lost in grasping exactly where this is all going. Does this regard installing a T-9 or a T-5 transmission mentioned a number of posts above? If so to save some effort my understanding is the T-9 transmission is pretty much a "bolt - in." Regarding the T-5 transmission I simply, unbolted the crossmember (BTW, 73 Pinto), turned it 180 degrees and slotted the mount bolt holes rearward. Otherwise I used the hockey puck transmission mount that was on the C-4 transmission I replaced with the T-5. Just hate to see a lot of effort if it isn't necessary. Here are a few pictures of the install of the T-5:

1. Slotted, reversed trans mount,  2. homemade clutch cable bracket to elevate the clutch cable over the engine crossmember,  3. homemade rearward shifter extension and shortened shifter to prevent knuckles from hitting the dash in 1st, 3rd and 5th gears.

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Post by: PintoRoyL on September 08, 2021, 01:30:38 PM
I apologize, I am posting in several places, I didn't make things clear enough. I have installed a T9 transmission, and the crossmember is completely different than the stock Pinto crossmember, so I had to create one from scratch. I had purchased enough material to make about three if the first/second was wrong. I was fortunate in that the first one worked :)  When I got home from work yesterday, I put some paint on it, and will add a second coat tonight, then bolt it in tight before, or over this coming weekend.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on September 11, 2021, 08:50:31 PM
After running errands until noon today, then having lunch, I had to do some work on my daily driver GMC Caballero.
After completing that project, I was able to do a little work on the Pinto. I bolted in the new cross-member that I built, then installed the driveshaft. I was afraid that the T9 trans was a little longer than the old 4spd, but apparently not. The driveshaft went in smooth as butter. I also looked for a convenient location to mount an electric fuel pump, but made no decisions yet. I will probably wait until I get a new fuel level sending unit, and reinstall the tank, before mounting the fuel pump.
Maybe tomorrow I will bolt on the alternator bracket, and install the radiator and fan. Or maybe instead, do some custom work with electrical. I want to add a battery cut-off switch. It would be easiest while I have some extra room to work with in the engine bay before installing the radiator and alternator.
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Post by: Wittsend on September 12, 2021, 12:54:05 PM
 The driveshaft length is one of the "bolt in" big pluses of the T-9. I thought the crossmember was too but apparently not. Would like to see pictures of what you built.

I was very fortunate. I went from a 2.0 / C-4 /6-3/4" rear to a 2.3 / T-5/ 8" rear and my existing driveshaft also fit perfectly. I assume whatever was gained/lost between the C-4 / T-5 and the 6-3/4" / 8" all compensated.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on September 14, 2021, 08:16:23 AM
I'm getting pics as I progress, and when I can figure out why my pics won't load, I'll bombard this thread with a pictorial sequence of events. The crossmember that I built isn't pretty, but it will be functional for a long time.
On Sunday the 12th, I did a little more tune up work on my daily, then worked on the Pinto some more. Way back in the '80's when I drove this car all the time, I had drilled a hole in the driver fender and mounted a  CB antenna. The vibration, and lack of a reinforcing layer of metal caused some damage to the location, then add on all those years of rusting. What I decided, was to pull the fender off, do a repair, add a reinforcing layer, then re-drill a new hole for the antenna, and drill a hole for a battery cutoff switch a couple of inches forward of the antenna. It may be kind of a goofy idea to some people, but I don't want to install the switch in the dash, or have to pop the hood open to switch it on/off.
I was able to get the fender off, and route the new battery cable. I will begin metal repair soon. If you go back to the beginning of this thread, you can see a small dent at the headlight bezel that I will take care of while the fender is off, and you should also be able to see the antenna mount I talking about.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on September 19, 2021, 09:56:12 PM
Saturday was rainy and windy here in Seattle, I did nothing outside. Sunday, I installed the fuel tank (but without the sending unit), I installed the radiator and fan, filled the remote oil filter and the cooler with new oil, primed the oil system, and put a new gasket on for the valve cover.
I ordered a PDR body tool set from Amazon, should be here about 1-1/2 weeks. I ordered a Spectra FG178B fuel sending unit from RockAuto, should be here this coming Friday. After I get the fuel sending unit installed, I will locate a place to mount the electric fuel pump, then install the new carburetor I have. After that, I will double check for all the little things that need to be completed, and possibly buy a battery and attempt to start the engine. I believe that I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that the carpet kit I ordered had arrived, well on Friday, the new headliner arrived. I will soon be transitioning from running gear, to interior work and looking for tires. Just a thought as I'm posting this, on November 1st, it will be the 40 year anniversary of when I purchased this Pinto. I wonder if I can have the engine running by then, and have new tires.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on September 25, 2021, 11:29:53 PM
Fuel sending unit arrived on Thursday, installed the same evening. I finalized the location for the electric fuel pump, and got it installed today, plumbed the fuel lines, and ran an extension to the wiring through a hole and grommet into the cavity below the back seat. I will run power to the pump later. I vacuumed the interior of 25 years of dust/debris. I received a box of PDR (paintless dent removal) tools yesterday, now to get busy watching YouTube videos on how to use them properly. I think that I will practice first on the Taurus, it has a simple dent in the front fender from a parking lot hit and run incident a couple years back.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on September 27, 2021, 07:45:35 AM
Yesterday, Sunday, I did a lot of my weekly shopping errands, including a stop at the auto parts store for several items to continue the progress with the Pinto. The most spendy of which was a new battery that will actually go into my daily driver Caballero. It is a dual top and side post battery. The Caballero uses side post, and the current battery is dual top and side with a bad side connection, so I will move it over to the Pinto as a top post. I bought a pump that fits quart sized oil bottles to fill the stick shift transmission, antifreeze, more small and medium hose clamps, spark plugs, points. Need to visit a different store to get the condenser, cap, and rotor. They weren't in stock yesterday. I was able to get the valve cover bolted into place and the spark plugs installed before the rain started falling, so I packed the tools away and went indoors.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on October 02, 2021, 09:29:09 PM
Saturday October 2,
Filled the T9 trans with oil, a type F auto trans fluid.
Removed the old, installed new carburetor, linkages, and vacuum lines.
Installed distributor cap, coil, plug wires.
Mounted fuel pressure regulator, partially plumbed fuel lines. I was short a few fittings, had to make a run to the hardware store. Assembled the fittings into a unit to be installed tomorrow, ran out of daylight.
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Post by: PintoRoyL on October 03, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
Sunday October 3
Finished fuel line connection in engine bay.
Connected the battery, but no power in the cab through the key switch, so I will need to do some electrical work next. I was able to jump the starter at the solenoid, so I made some temporary wiring connections to see if I would  be able to get spark from the coil. The spark was very weak, so I popped the distributor cap and adjusted the points.  Was able to get good spark after that.
Next I removed extra parts that are stored in the rear. I pulled the two loose parts of the back seat so I can access the electric fuel pump to hook up a 12v jumper pack. Disconnected the main fuel line from the tank, and stuck the hose into a gas can to test start the engine. Got a couple of backfire pops, so I rotated the plug wires 180* and she fired up and ran. Yippee!!
Of course, I had to call my brother and gave him the good news right away so he could hear it run. My brother is the one who located the engine for me. After running it 2-3 minutes I shut it off because I had not filled the radiator, and also did not have a fan belt installed. I pulled the distributor and rotated it 180*, put it back in. I then attempted to install the alternator, but the older brackets are not aligned properly for a newer engine with a ribbed belt. I must now locate the correct alternator bracket for a newer engine, so I will have to start searching and making phone calls. I should begin by popping the parts CD in the computer to get a part # for the bracket.
So with the engine capable of running, I need to finish all the little things, then move on to stripping the interior out, doing the electrical,, then reinstall the interior. I still need to get new tires too. Maybe I'll look for rims at the same time that I'm looking for tires. Haven't decided that yet.
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Post by: dga57 on October 06, 2021, 01:12:45 PM
Way to go Roy!!!  I just love progress!


Dwayne :)
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Post by: PintoRoyL on October 10, 2021, 12:11:25 AM
Thanks Dwayne,
Today, Saturday Oct 9, I stashed away all of the parts left over, and emptied the other extra parts out of the back of the Pinto. The back seat and hatchback area has been my main storage area for the extra tires, and the original T-Bird and Merkur turbo parts that I will someday put back on the engine now that I know it starts and runs. All of the parts went into the storage cabana (formerly known as a carport). Next after that, I pulled the seats out and found room for them in the carport also. My new phase on this resurrection is stripping the interior panels, carpeting, and headliner, so that I can get to all repairs needed to the electrical wiring. I did get the headliner out (with an old mouse nest up inside), and the plastic side panels removed. I've been trying to reduce the rodent nest stink up to this point, keeping the doors open as much as possible to air out somewhat when I am working on the car. Now that most of my work will move to the interior, I am thankful for time spent letting things air out.
We here in Seattle are expecting rain tonight, all the way through tomorrow night. Depending on how frequent/heavy the rain falls, I might or might not get the carpet out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: dga57 on October 10, 2021, 04:29:55 PM
Yuck!  Makes me cringe just thinking about it!  Fortunately, I can say that even having owned 68 vehicles in my lifetime, I have never had a problem with rodents taking up residence in any of them.  Wish I could say the same about bees! 


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Wittsend on October 11, 2021, 12:41:05 PM
My Corvair station wagon that has been a storage container the past 25 years had a rat in it. I removed everything, put bleach and laundry detergent in a hopper for my pressure washer and power washed the whole inside. It still took 6-8 years for the smell to dissipate that when I open the door I can't smell anything. I've read that after doing ones best cleaning, the only cure is to paint over the area if you want the smell gone in a short period of time.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on October 11, 2021, 11:28:34 PM
I certainly don't want to wait years for the odors to dissipate. Just these three months of having the doors and the hatchback opened while I was outside working on the engine bay, the brakes, and underneath with the trans mount, driveline, and fuel tank, has helped quite a lot. If I had pulled the seats, headliner, and carpet out in the beginning, it would even be better still, but it was so rank that I couldn't stand inhaling a single breath.
That said though, I am glad to be as far along as I am, and I am looking forward to getting some electrical work done. The weather is changing, so progress will definitely slow down because the car is outside in the driveway. The garage is crowded with storage, and the carport is also. I am beginning to consider enclosing the carport and setting up three rows of steel shelving, then putting as much storage in there as possible, making room in the garage to set up a small shop. The garage is almost two cars wide, but it only has a one car sized door. I have a very generous workbench that the former owner left when they sold us the house, and a 24" shelf unit with a pathway between the two. The shelving unit is accessible from both sides. The area available for a car is currently filled with various tools or objects too large to put on a shelf (plus about 30 empty boxes from parts, tools, and amazon purchases not yet broken down and thrown away).
Yesterday, no progress on the Pinto at all. We had a fair amount of rain, and we did have several sunbreaks, but I stayed indoors and did some organizing, going through different parts of the basement to clear up some floor space, so I can clear an entire upstairs room to set up as a guest room.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: Dtmix on October 23, 2021, 02:54:03 PM
I had a friend whose car was visited by a couple of mice over the winter…sigh! Anyway, he got a couple of Tupperware bowls and filled it half way with charcoal to absorb the odor. He also sprinkled baking soda all over the carpets and the offending area. Another thing he did was pull back the carpeting and removed the carpet padding and replaced it. It seemed to work well. Once all aired out, he steam cleaned the interior and sprayed Fabreeze.

Good luck! Happy
Motoring!
Dan
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: rob289c on October 24, 2021, 06:52:02 AM
The EXP I restored and the Pinto I am incorporating into my project had rodent infestation and the horrible smell.   On the EXP, once I found and removed all the nests and had the car down to a bare shell, I was able to clean the interior well enough to get rid of the smell.  I did coat the entire interior with epoxy primer, then industrial-grade enamel which likely sealed in any remaining smell.  Be sure to remove the heater box, vents to the cowl area, and all ducting and soak them in whatever solution you like as those are areas that the rodents like to live in.  I found the entire heater box packed with rodent nest.  If you don't clean all the HVAC system, you will smell it every time you turn on the heat or defroster.

I didn't do anything about the Pinto smell.  I wasn't using any of the soft upholstery so didn't have to worry about the smell.  I am using a lot of the mechanics of the car for my project but noting I am using has any smell...
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on October 28, 2021, 10:20:53 PM
Today, Thursday, Oct 28. I have not worked on any of my vehicles since I last posted here on the 9th. I am having a "life gets in the way" situation that I will not be discussing for a while.
When life begins to normalize I will let you all know, I am still making plans on proceeding with all of my projects, and even adding other projects into the mix that if done soon enough, will allow me to work on the cars through the winter inside the garage. Restoration work will slow, but I will check in every so often. Have fun, have a good Autumn and holiday season.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: PintoRoyL on August 20, 2022, 08:13:26 PM
To all readers,
Today is the first time I've logged in since last autumn. My "life gets in the way" situation was this, my wife of 32 years was deteriorating rapidly from metastatic breast cancer.  Her last days began advancing faster and faster at the end. She passed away on October 19 of 2021.  Throughout the rest of the autumn, and all the way until now, I have not done any hobby/upgrade work on any of my vehicles. Instead, after taking care of estate and legal matters, I purchased a rental property near my brother in southern Oregon.  I traveled from the Seattle metro area to my brother's place to work on my rental property numerous times,  then began a remodel on my Seattle home with the intention of selling and moving to southern Oregon. Well, interest rates went up, housing sales are slowing, so I will remain here in Seattle for a couple more years. I hope to soon get back to work on the Pinto. Not likely to be getting very far before winter sets in, but I  felt now was a good time to give an update.
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: dga57 on August 20, 2022, 10:04:57 PM
Please accept my sincerest condolences on the loss of your beloved wife.  Life can, and does, sometimes get in the way but it sounds as if you've navigated your way through much of it.  Welcome back to the forum and hopefully you'll be able to turn your attention back to the Pinto project soon.


Dwayne :) [size=78%]  [/size]
Title: Re: Born 1974 - Died 1996 Resurrected 2021-2022?
Post by: rob289c on August 21, 2022, 04:38:49 PM
Roy, I'm sorry to hear of your wife's cancer and passing.  My wife had breast cancer in 2005 but we were lucky.  It was caught early, she had treatments, and has been cancer-free ever since.  My kids were 5 and 10 at the time and I didn't know how I was going to juggle career, kids, and military duty but as I said before...we were lucky.  Welcome back, and hopefully you're getting back on track in all aspects of your life, including the Pinto project.