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79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« on: September 25, 2019, 10:10:35 PM »

Will a 79-80 windshield fit into a 71-78 Pinto windshield frame? I can get a 79-80 windshield for less than half the price of a 71-78. It doesn't matter whether or not it looks stock/ good, just if it will fit. Thanks
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2019, 02:49:29 PM »
I can't answer if it will physically fit, but my understanding is that the 71-78 use a rubber gasket and the 79-80 windshields are glued in.  If nothing in the windshield frame has changed it would seem the 79-80 windshields need to be  larger to "step over" the frame for a glue in mount as opposed to the 71-78 which are required to be smaller that the actual opening for the gasket to fit.

It MIGHT be that the 79-80 windshield will glue in but even if it does there may be trim issues. Sorry I can't give a definitive answer but at least I've given you something to ponder.

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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2019, 10:02:34 PM »
Thanks Wittsend. I've removed the windshield from my '75 and it looks like the original gasket can be trimmed flat to glue a new windshield on to. I'm going to ponder that over the weekend like you suggested and more than likely buy the '79-'80 windshield Monday and give it a try. Thanks again.
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2019, 07:24:22 AM »
Are the 79 80 wagon windshields
The same as the
79 80 sedans?
And are you buying new
Where and how mutch?

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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2019, 07:01:48 PM »

Have you seen this ..., it is actually on this site   https://www.fordpinto.com/pinto-faq/windshield-swaps-what-will-fit/


Otherwise I'd say start searching. There are glass suppliers and there are glass installers.  Most likely no will will have the windshield in stock and have to order it. These windshield suppliers are interesting.  When I had my daily driver (Protege) fixed they called the supplier when I got there and within an hour I was driving out.  Granted I got mine done within 20 miles of down town LA but it seemed about every 20 minutes a supplier was rolling into the shop with windshields.

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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2019, 08:56:48 PM »

I called for days in the Denver area. Most shops said they could not get it. Others searched and then called me back with a no. Searching on the net there were sites that had fill in the blank search engines for their suppliers. This gave me one supplier for my 76. It cost me $700 plus $200 shipping.
A few months latter some one here mentioned Rock auto sold them one much cheaper than I payed. This was 3 years ago.
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2019, 09:48:49 PM »
Thanks for the info Wittsend. SpaceCowboy197 9, I'm going to order the windshield from windshieldstog o.com Their website has a quote form to see prices. It looks like the sedans and wagons use the same windshield. Apparently they offers windshield installation on the 1979-80 Pinto, but I don't see it listed for the 1971-78 Pintos. They have a warehouse close to me so I don't have to worry about shipping. JoeBob they do list a 1976 Bobcat windshield for $295.00. I've never dealt with this company before, so I don't know how good they are or if they even have the windshields they list. I'll find out Monday.
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2019, 07:42:07 AM »
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2019, 04:35:37 PM »
You're welcome SC. I placed my order at windshieldstog o a few minutes ago and found out almost immediately that they have zero 1979-80 Pinto windshields available and would cancel my order. Sorry to get folks hopes up that there was a place we could buy our windshields at a reasonable price. So it's back to the drawing board. I've got a half notion to buy a 1/8" thick sheet of Lexan and keep my eyes pealed for constables!
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2019, 08:19:29 PM »
Windshield availability is a BIG problem for what I'll call "lesser cars."  I'm sure if you have a vintage Mustang, Camaro etc. they are a non-issue. But older more obscure cars seem to be limited to the supply on hand. I bought a '64 Studebaker (Lark) Daytona on Ebay and surprise..., a crack in the windshield didn't show and was not in the verbal description. And I guess I need to take some of the blame for not asking.

I looked around locally (So. Cal.) to no avail. I kept getting referred a place in the mid-west. By the time it would have gotten to my house it would have been about $550. Oh, and by the way I asked the woman how many they had in stock since this was the ONLY place that had one. She said, "One." I asked her if they would be getting more and she said, "Not likely." About 5 years later I heard they acquired another "run" of an undisclosed volume.

In the end I found a guy 400 miles from my home who had two (used) windshields and wanted $100 each. Now knowing the rarity I purchased both. I spent ten hours making a cradle to fit in my sons Honda Civic in the hope he could get them home without them breaking. I literally fought for every 1/16" to get the glass as vertical as possible pulling out the seats and notching the plywood at every (mony) contact point with the car structure.


These windshields had plenty of scratches, both had a bullseye and one had an odd chunk of glass missing about the size of a nickel. Later he calls me and tells me that they are wagon/convertible windshields and have an extra 1/2" in the upper corner. He offered to try and cut the corners as he really had three but needed one for himself. While it worked the edges were coarse and I had to smooth them out. I used a repair kit on the bullseye but the results were marginal.  there was a deep 1/32" crack and over the past 5 years has grown to about 3/32"+.

After that I opted to purchase a windshield for my Pinto as a spare. At a Pick Your Part sale (50% off) it was slightly under $30 out the door and I consider a wise investment even if I never use it. And, no, sorry it is NOT for sale.  The point I'm trying to make is that if anyone has an opportunity to buy a windshield for a collector car DO IT!  You can swap mechanical parts. You can shape and weld in new metal. But you can't make new glass by yourself.

You might call around to wrecking yards and see if they have a windshield. You never know.

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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2019, 03:02:54 AM »
You're welcome SC. I placed my order at windshieldstog o a few minutes ago and found out almost immediately that they have zero 1979-80 Pinto windshields available and would cancel my order. Sorry to get folks hopes up that there was a place we could buy our windshields at a reasonable price. So it's back to the drawing board. I've got a half notion to buy a 1/8" thick sheet of Lexan and keep my eyes pealed for constables!

That isn't good.
I had found them a while back, and was really hoping they had the windshields available.
Was waiting until I was ready for it before ordering it.
I hate places that get your hopes up only to dash them.
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2019, 10:26:56 AM »
There was an episode of Wheeler Dealer where they re-did a Saab. It had a cracked windshield and availability was nil. They then found a place that took a modern Chevy Impala windshield and cut the Saab windshield out of it. I can't find the episode in English but..., well, a picture is worth a thousand words (I hope). If you activate the closed captions (CC) and then go to the Settings (next option to the right of CC, it looks like a gear) you can get the subtitles translated to English.

  https://youtu.be/rxkg35S16e0?t=1605


Perhaps there is something similar to a Pinto windshield that can be a substitute.

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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2019, 04:01:25 PM »

You're right Russ, I was hoping I had really found something. No such luck! Thanks for the tip Wittsend. I remember watching that episode of Wheeler Dealers, and was thinking it was a Monte Carlo they used to fab the Saab windshield from. Anyways, I watched the episode in French you listed and couldn't figure out who the glass guy was. There was no listing in the credits either, so I went back and watched the windshield section again and was able to make out the name of the company on the shirt that Eddy, (the guy who cut the windshield out), was wearing. It's Kotto Auto Glass in La Habra, Ca. I live about one mile away! I called them to get a price and Eddy is going to call me back. Thanks for posting that link. I'll post up what he has to say when he calls back. http://www.kottoautoglass.com/
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2019, 10:51:30 AM »
Yes I do know about the windsheld shortage ,  some cars the supply runs out and no more ,  also has a studebaker lark that needed one , (had a few of them )  could get one for the 1960 but not the 63 , that was around 1975 , now it hitting the pintos ,  the 1979 to 89 the windsheld is larger all around to get away from the rubber gasket and glue it in to make the car more stiff in that area , done my 73 with a 80 windsheld because I could not get a gasket , yes it can be done if you can find a window to put in , only you do not have the brackets and trim for the inside and you have to cut some of the headliner away for the sealent to stick , good part is it does not leak , One of the last great inprovements on the pinto , sad part the car was totaled in the process of moving to anther state but kept it because I had a place to put it because the windsheld was still good and have a 79 cruse wagon , one option that might work is a group buy , if you can find some company (thats still in the US ) to make them , just have to find out how many they would have to make to crank them out ,  its only going to get worse because they quit making the pinto 40 years ago
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2019, 12:27:14 PM »

Windshields seem to have a DW or just a D and then a number associated with it. Often if you call and say "Pinto" they probably roll their eyes. If you ask for a DW 774 BGN (the BGN might be the tint and clear might just be a DW 774) they can probably do a quick inventory check.  I found this link:  https://koolkatzautoglass.com/collections/windshields/products/ford-pinto-ford-mercury-bobcat-windshield I'm was also curious if the Mustang II windshield is the same but the number isn't so it seems that can be ruled out.

Pinto_One you are correct. The '63-66 Studebaker Lark windshields are the harder to find. Perhaps because Studebaker was tanking they made "just enough." If I recall correctly the 63 sedan/hard tops and the convertible/wagons through 66 all used the same windshield. But the 64-66 sedan/hard tops were 1/2 shorter in the upper corners. Go figure as to why???  As noted, there was a run of these windshield's made and so perhaps there is a hope Pinto's can get a similar action taken.


  The good news is that the Pinto glass seems to follow the form of modern windshields and as was the case with the Wheeler Dealer Saab perhaps there is something out there that can be used to cut a windshield suitable for the Pinto.  With CNC control and waterjet or lasers there may still be hope if there are people to take that angle. 


Side story #2: I also have a Corvair Station wagon. Talk about a rare windshield. For some reason the wagon windshield goes 2" higher. I was on vacation about 200 miles from home when I was in a Pick N' Pull. I saw a Corvair in the distance, as I got closer I got excited because it was a wagon and even more so once I saw it was unbroken.  I pulled it out (I recall paying about $20) and had to transport it another 200 miles to my brothers. I had a 3 and 5 year old and as their feet dangled over the windshield on the rear floor we had to constantly keep after them to not swing their feet. 


I left the windshield at my brothers and by happenstance my nephew was passing through having gone up to Oregon to pick up a piece of furniture for his boss.  When I returned from my vacation my nephew had picked up the windshield and delivered it to my home. Needless to say it was quite a surprise to see it (unbroken) when I walked in the door from my lengthy trip.  BTW, that was 25 years ago. Still waiting to do something with the Corvair.


If I couldn't have found another windshield I would have used a sedan version and just made a filler panel for the other 2" out of metal. Sometimes you have to function outside the box.

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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2019, 04:17:01 PM »
Wittsend, I'm going to go ahead and bookmark the Koolkatz website you listed. Eddy at Kotto Auto Glass called back this a.m. and basically said if you can find a Pinto windshield, buy it. He said he could take my cracked '75 to the warehouse and see if there was a windshield he could match it up to and cut out a new Pinto windshield from. He also said it would probably end up costing 1k by the time he was finished...ouc h. He did say they are working with Overhaulin now that it has started back up. Maybe it's time to head over to Home Depot and pick up some 1/4" chicken wire.
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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2019, 04:21:22 PM »
About 40 years ago I was traveling through South Central Los Angeles, and I kid you not, there was a guy driving a Lincoln Continental down the Freeway with the windshield completely gone.  He was wearing a helmet and goggles. Wonder if that is legal?

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Re: 79-80 windshield into a 71-78 Pinto
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2019, 05:57:36 PM »
LOL, too funny. I took a spin a couple evenings ago, and it felt great cruising along with no windshield. Wore my shop safety glasses and had no problem. I wouldn't mind the goggles so much, but the helmet would make me feel pretty silly.
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