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78 302 swap in progress
« on: September 29, 2010, 01:43:00 AM »
Hey,
  New to this site.  Thanx 4 the welcomes.  I have (not-so) recently purchased a Pinto from a friend.  It was sitting out in a field for almost twenty years, so it was CHEAP!!!  My ultimate goal is to keep the whole project that way. CHEAP!!!  This is not my daily driver and I don't expect to get it done very soon.  Perhaps in time for the Pinto Stampede next year.  She is gonna need a lot of TLC, and I am more than ready to do the work. 
 
  I want to restore/modify this 78 sedan.  I have started by stripping the nasty smelling interior down to the floor pans, and body.  I have removed and refinished my dash.  Got rid of all the rust on the floor pans with a wire-wheel and wire brush. I then used a brush on rust converter to get any small spots I may have missed. Then I shot the entire floor with sound deadening material.  I was thinking of sewing my own carpet, but have seen some links on here for pre-made replacements. So I will most likely go that route.  I know... not cheap, but my time is my money too. Besides I have never sewn a full carpet and expect it to take days not hours. 
  I have also removed the old engine.  After getting it and the battery tray out I discovered a large hole in the wheel well.  I have plans to cut out the bad metal and replace it. 
 
  If someone could tell me how to post pics I will get a bunch up.

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2010, 09:38:22 PM »
good luck, putting a V8 in my pinto was the most enjoyable project ive done and when you do get it finished and get to drive it oh my, well let me tell you its just awesome. But it is a lot of work, but its fun work and its also rewarding in the end. i would buy the carpet its to cheap and looks very nice much faster and easier. as far as pictures go to the additional options on the bottom of your post and attach and browse and choose your pics but you have to resize them to 100kb each.
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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 12:01:40 AM »
  Thank you for the info on posting pics.  In return a little eye candy, that is assured to get better with time.
 
  I have begun to make an album but maybe a little slow getting them all posted, and I regret that camera is not the best out there.

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 02:56:55 AM »
Here are some pics of my refinished dash.  I carpeted the pad and sprayed two layers of flat black paint on the metal.  Very happy with the outcome.  The pad looks like it was new underneath.  And now I dont have to worry about my shades sliding... just the rear tires.  Here are some steps and photos on a cheap refinished dash. Hope you like.
 
1First you need to remove your dash-pad from your car.
2Clean well with mild soap on a moist towel doing your best to keep any exposed foam dry.
3Rinse off any soap residue well. Dry. This will help the glue stick better...
4Cut and fill your pad.  Cut the high spots down, and if possible, use the cut foam to fill the low spots. Perhaps mix in a little glue.
5Using the bolts on the pad as anchors, stretch your carpet around the pad, using a staple gun to adhere the other side. If your foam is wet at all, this process will FAIL.  Also use as many staples as you can, almost making a stitch the whole length of the front of the pad.  I stapled mine as close to the natural seem as I could to keep them out of site when installed.
6Carefully take the carpet of the anchors and slightly seperate it from the pad. Just enough to spray in your adhesive. I recomend 3M Headliner Spray Adhesive. Coat both sides with a very light coating, if you overspray it will ruin your carpet.  Let it tack/dry for a few minutes before restretching the carpet.
7Gently try to pull out any small creases, always pull never push the crease.  This part can be tricky on the gauge rise, so try to fit it tight before you glue.
8Trim the sides and staple them down as well.
 
I am very happy with how mine turned out, and have done it on a friends 78 pinto wagon.  Haven't installed my dash yet, as I am waiting to intall the windshield first.

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 12:25:06 PM »
Smells like progress! :D

I like the idea of the carpet on the dash, I think I will do this on my 73' wagon, until I can get a new cap for it. Thanks! :)
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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 12:29:19 PM »
Looks good send more pics as you progress. Not sure what your head liner looks like but if your going to replace it i would do it before the window goes in, save you taking it back out.
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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 12:37:29 PM »
Any ideas on where to get a new one... Mine is in great shaped except for one the one little splitting seem on the rear.  It was perfect before I started removing the interior, then while removing the rear seat, I bumped it with my head, and RIP.  This got me thinking that I should replace it anyway, as it is getting brittle. I also thought of putting in more sound deading up top. How hard is a new one to install?  Does someone have an install documented? 

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 12:41:50 PM »
Not sure but you may find on ebay or ask Larry Johnson where he got his. You have to remove all the windows including the side quarter windows and rear on the trunk model the liner wraps around the window lips. So the install isnt bad at all if you have some one that can do the windows.
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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 07:59:27 PM »
WOW! Its been more than a year.  Has it really been that long? It has not been a year without progress though.  I have to explain... I TOOK MY BUDGET AND THREW IT OUT THE WINDOW!  "Some AFR heads would make this thing haul (explitive).  Oh and a Weiand single-plain to match. How about a beefed up valvetrain for higher RPM capability?  Dont forget the cam from COMP. Gonna need a big oil pan."  etc etc... you get the point. 
 
Anywho.  A friend lent me a carb for mock-up.  Here are the pics.  (remember... just mock up, no bolts are tight.)

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2011, 08:42:47 AM »
  ;) looks good. :o
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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2011, 11:49:11 AM »
Check out these heads!!  8) 

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2011, 12:36:31 PM »
Cool ! Going to have a good breathing engine there ! (providing the exhaust system is done well)

The 302w I'm pulling out of the Pinto will (likely) get the same treatment, after the B2 swap is done.
Then maybe another Pinto ?

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 04:36:32 PM »
Well as for the exhaust, I am gonna try and squeeze these BBK shorties in.  If that doesn't work I will do custom headers.  I don't want them to go under the frame and I want my inner wheel wells covered.  I have to cut out some cancer from the original battery holder.  A friend was kind enough to give me a piece out of his project to fill in the hole. So I may just refab the inner wells and go with these headers.  Equal length or even tri-y would be better, but we will see.   I will be doing 2.5" dual exhaust pipes with and x pipe and flowmaster SUPER 44s.  I'm tryin to pull as much scavanging as possible.  Anyone know the math equation for finding primary and secondary header pipes?  I know it is affected by cubic inches and RPM.
 
 

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2011, 09:32:31 PM »
Header and exhaust design takes some science, some engineering and a touch of magic.  Here are a few links to get you started....... .

http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/header-tech-c.htm

http://www.bgsoflex.com/bestheader.html

FYI  On THE BEAST I just replaced the 3 inch series 10 Flowmaster racing mufflers with a set of 3 inch series 44 Flowmaster street mufflers.  Took the harshness away but still kept it sounding loud and mean sounding as well as more street legal.
 
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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2011, 06:42:57 PM »
 I gotta tell you that it looks to be some great progress  . I like the shortie headers and hope they go in ok. Has anyone tried these or any shortie in a 73 Pinto. Anyway your project looks really good and is coming along nicely.

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2011, 07:51:21 PM »
Fair: Thank you.  I wish the car looked as good as the engine does.  I am working part time at a freinds shop trading work for work.  He is a bodyman and is willing to trade my wrenching for his bodywork.  So eventually i will have a great looking ride.
 
Pintoman:  Thanks so much for those links.  They have already been useful.  If you have any other small tips or general knowlege on the subject I am all ears.

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2011, 08:32:45 PM »

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2011, 06:40:16 PM »
pintoman:  thats a ton of info.  thank you very much.  It has kept me busy.

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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2011, 07:08:30 PM »
Just as an example and not to suggest anyone also have custom headers made, the new open Super Comp drag car we built earlier this year has custom fiberglass body panels and required a custom set of coated exhaust headers to fit those body panels.  The headers cost $2,500.00 for the set.

 

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2011, 03:23:45 PM »
Pintoman:  First let me start by saying that is one hell of a ride!!!  Those custom panels are a brilliant idea.  The headers are B_E_A_utiful.   But i may have cried a little when I noticed a ding in the passenger side first primary tube.  At $2500 a pop you kind of have to.  None the less, I am sure they sound as good as they look.    I am trying to keep mine down on cost, so making them myself should help.  I have been looking into a product

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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2011, 07:07:59 PM »
The ding is from an erant jack handle while the body panel was removed.  Stuff happens.  I was not in the shop when it occured.  The owner has had offers on the car already so it may not be around next season. 

Let us know how your project is progressing.

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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2012, 11:38:34 AM »
More bad/good news.  I finally got to a point where I could bar the engine over and check valve clearance.  With the stock style pistons I had purchased, and my custom cam, I only have .040" clearance. Everyone I have talked to says that the minimum should be .100".  Soooo- I have decided to purchase a whole new Forged rotating assembly.  This also gives me the opportunity to do a small stroker (331), gain compression (10.75), and the ability to run Nitrous (100-200 shot).  More $$= faster car  ;) .  I have also moved my pinto to the frame/body shop, and will be starting progress post haste.  I don't have any new pics yet.  Will be sure to bring the camera to the shop tomorrow morning and get pics.  500 Horsepower here I come (before Nitrous).

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Re: 78 302 swap in progress
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2012, 03:00:05 PM »
Tri`s won`t do jack for power. Steppes won`t matter on this build either. If you ever get the suspension dialed in and actually get "hookup", then worry about getting more from exhaust. 2.5" would be perfect for this NA mill.

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2012, 04:28:37 PM »
I need your help. Prayers, wishes, and good ju-ju.  I will take off on monday across the state to apply/test for a new job as a welders helper.  If I get the job, I will be making more than double what I make at my current job. This means more money for the pinto. Less time, but more $$$.  The job will last about 6 weeks and could turn into 6 months.  Also it will be a great chance for me to refine my welding skills, which could turn into even more $$.  So please keep me in your thoughts.  I can't wait to get this project back on the road. 

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2012, 03:45:37 PM »
I got the job.  It has been quite a week.  work is hard, long, and outdoors, but the money is great.  I should be able to finally make some fast progress on the pinto.  They sent us home early this week because of Easter weekend.  Had to move the pinto to the ranch for storage, since I wont be home enough in the next few months to do any actual work on it.  I told my bodywork friend that we should hold off until i get back and do it all in one shot.  So once again progress has been stalled, but this time there will be a big payday and I can finally make big progress.  Every day I am out in the field I think about racing this pinto down the track, and that keeps me motivated.  I also think about cruising it everywhere. These thoughts make the day go by faster. 

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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2012, 11:25:50 AM »
Congratulation s on the job!  I'm sure we'd all make faster progress on our projects if the money flowed a little more plentifully!  The end result will make it all worthwhile.
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2012, 03:35:34 PM »
Check out my new wheels and tires for the rear.

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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2012, 03:38:13 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2012, 09:57:13 PM »
Nice set.... 8)
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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2012, 01:39:33 PM »
I took my pinto over to the scales and right now it weighs 1380 lbs.  I have removed engine, transmission, drive line, and all of the interior except the bracing for the dash (also no front windshield).  Has anyone been able to remove the bracing and still mount the dash back in? I know that this is how the brake and clutch pedals mount, but I was thinking of converting to hydrolic.  Just need to know if I can reinstall the dash. Any help would be appreciated.