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74 Wagon Project - What do you think?
« on: June 03, 2014, 10:23:54 AM »
I'm going to start working on my pinto, ultimately resto-modding it. Here's what I have planned:


5 lug conversion), wilwood disc brakes (front and rear), ranger master cylinder 8" rear with positrac, 3.40 gears, T5 transmission, 2.3 or 2.5 turbo DIS engine (probably highly modified, eventually), air conditioning, wheels, etc.


The rest is obvious. Body work, paint, interior, etc.


Main thing I want opinions and information on is the drivetrain. Are the wilwood brakes a good idea?
How will they work with a ranger master cylinder?
Where can I get 5 lug axles made at for this car and what length/lug patern do they need to be?
Any specific posi unit recommended?
Do 3.40 gears sound like a good compromise between power and economy with a T5 trans?
What size wheels will I need with the wilwood brakes??


Stuff like that I need some ideas on. I want this to be a nice car, and fun too. Something to take on roadtrips and such. It will take some time to get it all done, the rear end alone i figure is going to cost me probably $2000 or so since I do not want to use my stock 3.00 non-locker rear end or crummy drum brakes...


Any other ideas and comments would be appreciated. I think so far everything sounds like it will work excellent together.
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Re: 74 Wagon Project - What do you think?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2014, 10:32:16 AM »
By the way, here's what the car looks like now. I've got a lot of work ahead of me!
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Re: 74 Wagon Project - What do you think?
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2014, 10:49:14 AM »
I'll be following this project..
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Re: 74 Wagon Project - What do you think?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2014, 02:07:23 PM »
“Are the wilwood brakes a good idea?”
Good idea. I just bought fronts for my 71 street Turbo Pinto. They are bolt on and standard ford five lug.
How will they work with a ranger master cylinder?
You may need a Wilwood adjustable portioning valve.
“Where can I get 5 lug axles made at for this car and what length/lug pattern do they need to be?
Strange Engineering or Currie Enterprises will make them up. Just let them know you have a Mustang II/Pinto 8” and they know the axle lengths. Some have re-drilled the existing axles but I don’t like the idea personally. Go with ford standard 5 lug. Zillions of wheel choices.
“Any specific posi unit recommended?”
Eaton TrueTrak is the best but cheaper types are available.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/390604349866?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Do 3.40 gears sound like a good compromise between power and economy with a T5 trans?
3.40-3.55  is good with stock height tires.
What size wheels will I need with the Wilwood brakes??”
You will need 15” or larger rims. Note: I would save money and stay with rear drums. Most of the stopping is done with the front brakes anyway.
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Re: 74 Wagon Project - What do you think?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 02:23:02 PM »
It's orange.

You are too far behind to ever get ahead.


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Re: 74 Wagon Project - What do you think?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2014, 04:09:25 PM »
I'll be following this project..

LOL, it looks like yours ;)
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Re: 74 Wagon Project - What do you think?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2014, 05:59:38 PM »
It's orange.

You are too far behind to ever get ahead.


 ;D


 >:(   >:(   >:(   >:(   >:(


Just kidding, but I LIKE orange!!!


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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2014, 06:02:19 PM »
LOL, it looks like yours ;)
Almost, except for the rust and no roof rack.. :D
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2014, 06:15:29 PM »
Almost, except for the rust and no roof rack.. :D

You might have it under the roof rack ;) Probably not from where you are though.

Yeah, it looks good in that orange.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2014, 06:35:17 PM »

 >:(   >:(   >:(   >:(   >:(


Just kidding, but I LIKE orange!!!


Dwayne :)

Knew that would get your attention  ;D

You do know I won't quit , right ?
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2014, 10:09:27 PM »
You might have it under the roof rack ;)
And it's coming off as soon as I can line up someone to do the body work.. :D
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2014, 10:12:36 PM »
(cracking up in shop next to my cool white car  ;D )
Hmmm, this would look pretty bada$$ in Orange.. ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2014, 11:34:51 PM »
Hmmm, this would look pretty bada$$ in Orange.. ;D ;D ;D





;D ;D ;D ABSOLUTELY!!! ;D ;D ;D
 
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2014, 07:59:35 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2014, 01:54:25 PM »
PSSSTT....Hey Art,  want to sneak up to Canada and "beautify" a colorless Pinto?  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2014, 02:07:26 PM »
PSSSTT....Hey Art,  want to sneak up to Canada and "beautify" a colorless Pinto?  ;)
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Wouldn't that be cool, LOL...
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2014, 04:59:42 PM »
Setting up claymores today   ;D

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2014, 12:59:10 AM »
Hmmm... maybe we can airdrop the orange paint onto one of them and beautify the Pinto (and anything else in the way) in one fell swoop!!!  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2014, 06:26:08 AM »
Hmmm... maybe we can airdrop the orange paint onto one of them and beautify the Pinto (and anything else in the way) in one fell swoop!!!  ;D

Orange dropped from the sky in one swoop? Ummmmm Agent Orange? On Canadians?

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2014, 07:33:25 AM »
Hmmm... maybe we can airdrop the orange paint onto one of them and beautify the Pinto (and anything else in the way) in one fell swoop!!!  ;D
Now that's an idea.. ;D
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2014, 08:21:55 AM »
Well friends, as much fun as this has been, we have totally hijacked pintoguy76's thread!  Considering that I'm technically supposed to be the "responsible adult" here, I propose we dispense with the silliness, apologize to pintoguy76, and then offer up some good suggestions to him for his Pinto project.  Thanks!


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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2014, 09:23:40 AM »
Well friends, as much fun as this has been, we have totally hijacked pintoguy76's thread!  Considering that I'm technically supposed to be the "responsible adult" here, I propose we dispense with the silliness, apologize to pintoguy76, and then offer up some good suggestions to him for his Pinto project.  Thanks!


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LOL hand slap noted accordingly  ::)
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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2014, 07:25:52 PM »
LOL hand slap noted accordingly  ::)

I slapped my own hand too!  Thanks to pintoguy76 for being a good sport!

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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2014, 09:09:00 PM »
Yep, double slap here too..
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2014, 01:13:47 PM »
hmmmm can I do the slapping? LOL  :P
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2014, 05:10:06 PM »
No big deal guys - I do have a few more questions tho.


I think i decided to drop the wilwood brakes because they only include aluminum wheel hubs, and a steel hub isnt available. I want steel for strength and durability. They warn that you need some special spacer or something if you use steel wheels with the aluminum hub or it may damage the hub. I dont like the sound of that at all.... SO. I am thinking about using the 5 lug granada rotors instead  for the front. Anyone have any information on that swap?Also the parts store website says that rear disc brakes were available on the granada. If thats true, couldnt I snag the rear disc brake setup off one of those too and use on my pinto?


What all do I need for the front granada brake swap? I know there are certain bearings that have to be used, but what else? Also what is the lug pattern used on the granada?  I need know that and the wheel offset so I can look at new wheels...




I guess thats enough for now... please help if you can. Thanks!!
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Re: 74 Wagon Project - What do you think?
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2014, 05:55:12 AM »
Have you read this topic ?

http://www.fordpinto.com/pinto-faq/front-disc-brakes-(4-5-lug)/

Paint shop will have to help you with the orange though  ;D

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« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2014, 11:39:45 PM »
Ok heres an update. I think i decided to use the granada brakes and rotors up front and an ebay disc kit for an 8". Going with 3.55 gears instead of 3.40s, and a Detroit True-Trac for the posi unit.  I figure by the time I buy axles and wheels the rear end ALONE will be $2,000. Yikes! That's not including little stuff like gear lube and lug nuts, that i'll have to buy also.  Probably throw in some energy suspension bushings while i'm at it.
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Re: 74 Wagon Project - What do you think?
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2014, 05:11:28 AM »
For less than 2k you could have a bomb proof 9" made.

I've read on here (and other places) that the poly bushings squeak.
Didn't want that myself, so all new bushings on my car are new/rubber.

Using the Wilwood hub/brake kit on mine as well.
Not worried about aluminum hubs : it's not a corner carver.