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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2011, 10:31:26 PM »
looking at the picture, the front sump pan may still work (with mods)  The biggest issue I see is the oil pickup.  If you can move the oil pickup to the front, but that may require some fabrication for the pick up line. 
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2011, 07:59:49 AM »
got a front sump pick-up...here is the cut!
 
 
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2011, 10:54:38 AM »
that is the pan, I hope you have an oil pick up too.
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2011, 08:43:34 AM »
up date....got pan mod's 90% done, http://s1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/donchez22/Turbo%20Pinto%20overhaul/?action=view&current=20110330104550.jpg#!oZZ1QQcurrentZ Zhttp%3A%2F%2Fs1139.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn547%2Fdonchez22%2FTurbo%2520Pinto%2520overhaul%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3D20110331172215.jpg 
still need to add the speedway sump kit.
 
and got some new wheels... sweet  ;D  http://s1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/donchez22/Turbo%20Pinto%20overhaul/?action=view&current=20110330104550.jpg
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2011, 06:58:55 AM »
finally got my 8.8 rear end  :surprised: 
 
warm enought to work outside today...disass emble of the brackets and parts...next off to sand blasting later next week.
 

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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2011, 02:53:43 AM »
Is that a disc brake rear axle? I'm jealous... :P
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2011, 06:13:11 AM »
Good eye Dave...off to sand blasting on Monday!
 
Just layed out my drill pattern for the rotors, ordered my SS braided lines, new rotor/caiipers...
 
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2011, 11:49:33 AM »
Exploder rearend?  Ive been thinking about using one just dont know if i wanna leave it stock length or cut down the drivers side axle tube and run two passenger axle to make it a lil bit narrower. But the 31 spline axles and disc brakes and 5 lug are nice plus most have trac-locs and 3.73 gears which is what i want for behind my t5.
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2011, 06:03:10 AM »
yep...explorer .
 
i'm not sure you want to have the center section offset by almost three inches. may have some fit issues, but for sure a good drive shaft offset.  ;)
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2011, 12:20:00 PM »
Actually the offset thats on them will clear in a pinto its been done already Ohsix9 has one under his CW and it still keeps the 17x9 i think they are cobra R wheels in the fender wells. Im just thinking of narrowing one so i can stuff a little extra meat on a set of 15 inch wheels.
 
After you get that beast drivable youll see why i want all the tire i can get under mine.  :lol:
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2011, 08:28:38 PM »
got it back from sandblasting and primer paint...
 
 

needed a little more pan depth at cap and windage tray nuts...
 
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2011, 04:10:36 PM »
Got all the bearing checked for clearances...a ll are good!  :) now the "not so good"   :(  the turbo shaft is almost max'ed out in axial play, end play is tight, oil pump pick up tube hitting the main stud nut, the Speedway pan kit p/n 910-15196 won't fit the stock oil pump pick up, needed to add some dimples for main and windage tray nut heads. the good is got all these issues resolved...jus t more time! a few pic's
 
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2011, 07:39:23 AM »
narrowing my 8.8 diff for the "hot rod"
 
FWIW...I'm cutting the long side down to equal the short side, then using short side axles on both sides. This will give me an axle overall width of 56.125" wide, or 0.875 inches narrower then the stock Pinto axle.
 
cut #1...then cut #2 notice the scribed line on axle tube, this will be used for alingment at reassembly.
 
Need of brake backing plate for this axle in the wanted area. need both sides.
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2011, 05:23:47 PM »
Just a photo posting tip....

When using your photobucket account, copy the bottom "img" code and the picture will show here like this:


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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2011, 06:52:37 PM »
Hey Reeves1....thk s for the tip! that sure makes a better looking posting!  ;D
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« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2011, 09:25:17 PM »
Forgot to mention... when you paste the "img" code, use it's own line, or you can end up with a wide post.

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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2011, 06:48:51 AM »
Welding up the shorted axle housing....the clamping and aligment pic....
 

 
the tack welds....I tacked at 90* intervals, let it cool,
 

 
The longer welds...then did about 3/4" to 1" long welds, let it cool, then repeated until complete....
 

 
Looks pretty good to me! what do you guys think?
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2011, 01:09:24 PM »
Looks fine shouldn't go anywhere just make sure the spring perches are on there good too I've watched those twist off. LOL
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2011, 09:39:31 AM »
Got my Calvert Racing Suspension spring perches...they look good! Nice an beefey!  ;)
 
 
 
A picture of it sitting on the axle tube...note the small gap for better welding penetration!
 
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2011, 11:10:59 AM »
Nice job on the axle, from one old guy to another... :lol:

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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2011, 06:28:37 AM »
Not much progress on the pinto the last few weeks. other project consumming to time, getting the boat ready, the garden, green stuff/yard bs......
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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2011, 01:11:03 PM »
i just thought of somthing are you gunna be welding the axle tubes to the third member?
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2011, 07:05:01 AM »
Hey oldeguy, exactly how much did you cut out of that housing,?  I see this procedure in my future.

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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2011, 01:36:38 PM »
narrowing my 8.8 diff for the "hot rod"
 
FWIW...I'm cutting the long side down to equal the short side, then using short side axles on both sides. This will give me an axle overall width of 56.125" wide, or 0.875 inches narrower then the stock Pinto axle.
 
cut #1...then cut #2 notice the scribed line on axle tube, this will be used for alingment at reassembly.
 
Need of brake backing plate for this axle in the wanted area. need both sides.


here's  a way to accomplish the same thing with only one cut.
http://www.stangfix.com/testforum2/index.php/topic,11946.0.html


I have heard that the exploer axle housing tubes are not welded in and are just held to the center section bt a press fit pin.  I have also heard tha it is possible to just pull the long side axle and housing out and replace with a short side axle and housing.  no cutting, no welding and you end up with exactly what oldeguy has now. can anyone confirm this ?

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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2011, 06:50:36 PM »
don33....cut out about 2 7/8 or 2 15/16 inches of tube, don't have my notes here. but you can just measure the short side and duplicate copy that dimention.

nice link on stangfix...tha t is cool and some great prices for the parts!

don't know about the axle housing and welded or not....
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2011, 08:41:08 PM »
very good,  I think my build is going to be extremely similar to yours....  have you ever heard of the method which I eluded to above ?  and quoted below.[quote


I have heard that the exploer axle housing tubes are not welded in and are just held to the center section bt a press fit pin.  I have also heard tha it is possible to just pull the long side axle and housing out and replace with a short side axle and housing.  no cutting, no welding and you end up with exactly what oldeguy has now. can anyone confirm this ?
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2011, 09:24:04 PM »
my tubes are plug welded...a 98 explorer 8.8. and I think, but not 100% sure, all are plug welded. if you look a the stangfix link/thread, he drilled these areas out.
 
one more comment...if you have a good means to cut square (you can rent a tube cutter from a rental shop), and can weld this is an easy way to get a narrow 8.8 with disc brakes, 31 spline axles with 5 lugs, which really opens up the wheels that you can use in your build.
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2011, 09:33:53 PM »
Yep, drill em out and pull the axle tubes out...!  install the short side in. I just think it would be cool due to the no cut nature of the procedure.      But yeah, totally agree with your comment.

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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2011, 05:31:36 AM »
i agree with the no cutting. My issue is with the welding of steel tube to a cast steel? I'm not a well versed welder. so, I've done some reading on forums about this. I've read anything from, use a 6010 rod with arc welder to preheating with TIG...this is what concerns me...just my 0.02

welding steel tube not a problem...i located my cut on the center line of the spring perch...so you also have the spring perch adding strenght to this joint.
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Re: 72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul
« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2011, 08:13:06 AM »
I've also heard the issue (rumor) some have about welding  cast steel / cast iron to steel tube. from what experience I have, and research I've done, its a non issue (old wives tale) which all depends on the skill/experience of the welder. I have a downpipe that has mild steel exhaust tubing welded to a Holset cast elbow. just think of all the heat cycles that goes through. some said it wouldn't work.  It works just fine, its been on my car for over two years. But hey, it's all good, theres more than one way to skin a cat...