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Title: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on September 05, 2015, 07:48:18 AM
Small hiccup in donkey land;  took the wagon to the municipal garbage dump site, was cleaning out the garage and garden. Just tossed a rotting rocking chair, and wanted to start the car up to leave this miserable  place where no longer wanted stuff is abandoned, and donkey decided she didn’t want to leave. I turned the key another time and said “what’s that donkey, do you want to stay here?”
She just answered with a very faint red glow from the dash and that was it.
Whilst pushing her off the site, some guys remarked that I just passed the old iron dumpster, haha, that was to be expected.
Well, the problem was obvious, after driving around for some days the battery was flat, charging system can’t keep up with the demands, so I need to fab a bracket for the 90 amp  Scorpio alternator and hook that up.
The Scorpio alternator only has a thicker black wire that should go to the plus side of the Solenoid, and a thinner blue wire that should go to the idiot light on the dash as I understand it.
I do have some remaining questions for the experts on site though, I’ve been spending days on reading threads about these conversions but a few things stay unclear;
1 the original thicker black load wire from the 65 amp Pinto alternator disappears into the wiring loom, where does it go, does it first feed the dash and then comes back to the battery (Yellow wire to the plus post of solenoid)?
2 do I also hook this thicker black wire up to the plus side of the solenoid, or can it be taped of?
3 do I run the blue idiot light wire all the way to the wire that’s now on the I post of the voltage regulator, and can I then discard the voltage regulator?
4 do I run the blue idiot light wire straight to the dash,  and if so, where do I hook it up? 
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: pinto_one on September 05, 2015, 03:22:55 PM
You may have a fusable link that may be bad, they are built into the wire ends and burn out on the inside some times , the pinto alternator is large enough for what you need , it's just that you have to trace the wire and find out why the charging current is not making it to the battery , do a internet search under fusable link to see what it looks like , you will know what to look for , hope this is your problem , and a simple fix , good luck ,
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Post by: 76hotrodpinto on September 06, 2015, 11:09:07 PM
I put the ol' pinto alt. back in with mine too. No problems keeping up with 12v demand. I'd keep poking around for shorts or lifts. Maybe a bad diode in you alt?
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on September 13, 2015, 10:23:31 AM
I did some maintenance jobs last weeks, renewed the brake fluid which was the color of Coca Cola, and full of debris. Complete overhaul of brake system is on the future agenda.
Valve lash adjustment on the 2.0 is supposed to be done with  Hazet special tools 3429 and 329-5 because the efi intake manifold limits access to the adjusters on the left side. 3429 I found on the net, for 329-5 I fabbed a replacement from an old 19mm spanner. You don’t really need the 3429 tool either if you shorten a normal 15mm spanner.
 The camshaft is really worn, the lobes have ridges to the sides! Good excuse to put a Kent cams FR34 on the wanted toys list, and of course a new oil spray bar.
I cleaned up the battery posts  and checked the alternator load capacity but I’m still not convinced that the original alternator is going to cut it. If you add up the amp draw of efi, electric fuel pump, electric fan, H4 halogen headlights,  that’s too much to ask from a 1972 power nothing configuration Pinto alternator.   
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: pinto_one on September 13, 2015, 11:32:57 AM

You might have to do a volt drop test on the car , what you have to do it start it up and run for a few minutes and then turn the lights on , all of them ,put the fan motor on low or med, take a volt meter and check what voltage between the alternater and battery, if you have more than a volt you have bad wires , over the years they get hard and the resistance goes up, also check engine to the negative post on the battery , that will give you fits, I put two ground straps on mine , and last is see what is stamped on the alternator , I do remember some were stamped 42 amps or less 😳, I have one off of my parts car and it was a 60 AMP, (see photo) , I have a larger one on my V6 pinto , it's a 100AMP , and last on your cam is if you have to remove it you have to remove the head 😩, yep the cam is removed from the back , so if you have a non A/C car you can remove the radio and use a hole saw on the fire wall to remove the cam, but remove one the the rocker arms and look at it , if it is smooth across the face just install it back and adjust the valves and keep on going , get a zinc oil additive, most oils do not have them because most engines have roller cams instead of the old slider cams , hope this helps









Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 13, 2015, 02:09:21 PM
Three jobs done last weekend; conversion to one wire Powermaster B 57141 alternator, replace turn signal cam, and put new pedal rubber on clutch pedal.
I wanted to (over)kill the insufficient battery charging problem once and for all so opted for a 140 amp Powermaster one wire conversion. I read tons of posts on forum’s about how this is supposed to work, and all I read was that “it only takes one wire”.
I know there’s more people that would like to hear the complete story so here’s how we (me and my stepbrother) did this.
This Powermaster alternator’s case has the same mounting measurements as the 40(!) amp original, so no changes to the brackets. I also ordered a 112 double v-belt pulley, so now I can run double belts on the original double belt Scorpio pulley’s. First we ran a earth wire from the top alternator bolt to the chassis. We discarded the original black charge wire that disappears into the loom (on its way to the dash) and taped it off. The other two wires (that go to the voltage regulator) were also secured out of the way. The connector on the voltage regulator was removed and taped off. The voltage regulator was taken out.
From the alternator we ran a new 4 AWG wire through a 150 amp mega fuse directly to the battery plus post. The starter wire was connected to the charging post on the alternator (keep in mind that I already did a mini starter conversion and bypassed the standard solenoid). From the battery plus post we ran somewhat thinner wire to the plus side of the solenoid.
That’s it, we can later add a voltmeter, run from  the #1 terminal on the alternator (that would be the third wire coming of a one wire alternator…).

Replacing the turn signal cam (Dorman 49301) meant removing the steering wheel with a puller, cutting the original wires and having to shorten them even more because they were worn through in several places. Then it’s a fiddly job to get the wire connections done and get everything tucked away in the least stressful position.

After that, fitting a new Dorman 20731 clutch pedal pad was a 5 second job.   
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: pinto_one on October 13, 2015, 04:26:11 PM
so i guess it was a alternator problem you had and got it fixed , great , on your turn signal switch , do you know it does come out the top, in case you do not you remove the lower plastic cover and you will see a curved plug in connector , you un plug it and will all slide out so you can go and work on the table next to a cold beer ,  :o
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 76hotrodpinto on October 13, 2015, 05:18:06 PM
Or a warm beer. You never know, over there in dutch land.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: pinto_one on October 13, 2015, 07:34:18 PM
Yep and we dump ice in our Tea also ,  but as for my wife's cooking I sometimes have to quickly eat it before the taste catches up, 😵😵
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 14, 2015, 02:07:56 AM
Thanks for the extra info Blaine, I did loosen the three phillips screws and pulled some on the complete unit but didn't know were it was going so stopped. Next time I'll take it all out.
Would have been so much nicer on the table with an autumn specialty bock beer (yes, cold please) next to it, but on the other hand, then I would probably have got the wires wrong and indicate left when going right.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on November 01, 2015, 12:06:43 PM
Yesterday I took donkey to the National Ford parts day, a 200 mile round trip to Barneveld.
It’s not a huge event, and on the parts side, there’s not much for donkey to be found, it’s mostly for European Ford products.
The images show Taunus, Consul/Granada and Capri’s, not a Stang in sight.
Most people had never seen a Pinto, some didn’t know that a wagon was made.
The trip was a good try-out though for the car, average highway speed was between 75 and 80 miles on the gps.  Mpg was around 23. No major problems, no leaking or overheating.
There is lots of vibration going through the car, think I’ll have to take it to a drive shaft specialist. I also have excessive play in the diff,  but no whine, could that add to the vibes? Any other known vibration causes that I should check out?
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 76hotrodpinto on November 01, 2015, 04:49:36 PM
Thanks for the pics! It's cool to see that many "foreign" fords. I had a german capri when I was younger. I would love to have it back now. It was just a cheap runner for me, back then, but now I see how cool it really was. Your donkey looks about as out of place as mine does at shows here.

(pics from before motor swap)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/edjones/2015-04-25%2009.52.57.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/edjones/media/2015-04-25%2009.52.57.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: pinto_one on November 02, 2015, 08:49:01 AM
looks like you got it running good DutchWagon , as for the vibration it could be the drive shaft , if you cut it and did not have it bailanced after , hard to do no mater how careful you try , had mine done when i cut mine , do not worry about the play in the diff, as long as it is quite its ok, might just want to change the oil in it ,
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on November 29, 2015, 07:49:29 AM
I just ran into an add for a trailer hitch on a Dutch site, advertised as a Mustang II part.
Does anyone have an idea if this might fit my 72 Wagon?
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: pinto_one on November 30, 2015, 07:29:24 PM
Nope , but let me look and see if I still have one , it was very simple the way it bolted to the car , it fit the sedans also, it would be easy for you to make if I can get a few photos for you , later Blaine

Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: pinto_one on November 30, 2015, 08:03:52 PM
Got you a photo , the sedans and wagons bolted the same way , a flat bar bolted to back of the spare tire tube with two 3/8 bolts and large washers on the inside , the middle of the flat bar had one 1/2 stove bolt from the inside going to the rear that went though the 90 degree bent tongue that went over the top of the Hourse shoe brackets you see bolted to the bumper , I think it was only good to a tad over a 1000 lbs trailer weight , and 250 lbs tongue weight , this is from memory will look and see if I can find it to see what is stamped on it ,  Later Blaine
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on December 01, 2015, 12:42:45 PM
I see, you've got the original part for which I did find the fitting instructions (also have these in bigger readable format). On this it didn't state that it would work for wagon's too.
In Europe we don't see flat metal trailer hitches at all, the ones we do have need some sort of certification to be legal.
I'll think about the how's  and if's for a while, no hurry, thanks again for your help.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: oldkayaker on December 02, 2015, 09:26:25 AM
Blaine's hitch looks like the one I had on my 71 Runabout, see photos.  Mine is bent up a bit from my attempts of body stretching after a rear end collision.  Mine was made by Draw-Tite Co. out of Belleville, Michigan with part number of: PIN 1 IK.  Draw-Tite's web site no longer shows hitches for Pinto's.  Your Ford instruction sheet appears to be for similar hitch, look at how it bolts to the bumper for a difference.

If you end up using a similar hitch, I recommend reinforcing the mounting points.  I added full width angle iron to the rear floor and inside the rear bumper to spread the load .
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: Pinto5.0 on December 02, 2015, 02:52:37 PM
Is it an option to build your own hitch? I've built 2 for custom applications over the years & plan to build 2 more for 2 of the Pintos so I can run a bike carrier on them.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on December 03, 2015, 03:01:20 PM
Nice to see that we've got the official Pinto trailer hitch story covered now, and well documented!
Building your own is an option but not legal around here, it needs to be certified.
Another problem is that a hitch that is partially blocking view of the licence plate can also result in a fine in The Netherlands, you then need a removable hitch.
Looking at the moderate towing weight capability, it may just be too much trouble to spend time on.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: pinto_one on December 08, 2015, 10:13:27 AM
I see what you are against DutchWagon ,  and how do you get it certified ? ,  maybe if you over built it they can put a lower rating on it , (down to what you need) I have towed trailers with my pintos since day one back in 71,  but the toe hitch,s are getting raire,  still looking for the old early hitch but as you said it can not block the plate , so what you might want is like the one on my car , its a old class two , 300lbs tougne wt, 3500lbs trailer , receiver type , yes over kill for yours but fill the bill for what you want to do , and being a old american car they do not know what came with it , its older than the guys that want it inspect it , have a good welder make it up , then dirty it up like it looks old as the car and say it came with the car , and show photos of mine from the USA , just a idea good luck
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on January 18, 2016, 02:32:52 PM
Got the car back in the garage to do some work, have to pass Dutch APK test in March to be  allowed on the road for another two years.
When I removed the left side panel to run through the fuel pump wires (they had been lying on the floor since summer) I discovered  a lot of bird feed left over’s, some chewed on hazelnuts, and a door post cavity stuffed up with what looked like plucked carpet (so that’s where the carpet went?). Did once strange lodgers live in these premises!?
Didn’t find any animal droppings though. I  cleaned the lot out, and this corner will probably at some time need some welding and anti-rust treatment.
The brakes needed attention too, left back drum kept locking up, on inspection I found out that I had different setups left and right, on the right side two equal length brake pads, and all kinds of incorrect fitting.
Up till now I’ve replaced the rear shocks,  rear drum brake hardware and emergency brake cable.
I included a picture of the plastic emergency brake handle cover, this kind of stuff is so easy to break before you find out how it clicks open.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on January 24, 2016, 11:31:50 AM
A few months ago I changed the turn signal cam because it was broken.  Now I found out that my left brake light wasn’t working, and there was nothing wrong with the bulb.
A quick search on the net revealed that with Mustang’s (same steering column)  the problem is normally in the turn signal switch, and you have to get a new one.
Now Rockauto doesn’t show these for 72 Pinto’s. I just took the risk of ordering one for a 72  Mustang w/o tilt, OE PRO SM44F, and it’s all right. A few wire colors are different, but it’s just plug and play.
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Post by: robertwwithee on January 30, 2016, 06:36:17 PM
It's nice to read your posts 72 dutchwagon.  I'll keep you in mind on my next trip to Netherlands.  I work for ASML.  I could bring a part or two over.

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Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on February 01, 2016, 02:10:57 PM
Thanks for the remark!
ASML in Eindhoven? A microchip man who digs stone age technology?
Always welcome to come take a look at my donkey (and go for a spin).
And I just might take you up on that offer some time...
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on March 05, 2016, 02:11:20 PM
Donkey has past the biannual road test!
 A few niggles had to be ironed out by the (luckily!) classic loving crew at the shop that did the test, including welding a small patch.
After that, the only  problem I ran into once, was that I lost all electric power to the accessories, engine was running fine, but I had no power to the dash (fuel gauge) wipers, turn signals etc.
I treated the fuse box to a dose of contact spray, and the problem went away, but I also have a suspicion that it might have to do something with the ignition switch not returning to the right spot after starting?
If anyone knows the exact cause please tell me because it’s not something I’d like to see coming back.

Today I took the wagon to the Antwerp Classic Salon, Antwerp is just half an hour away and we enjoyed the trip.
On the parking I left  Donkey in good company and had a nice time at the expo. I bought some brake line wrenches and I spoke to someone who might have a Mustang II 8 inch rear for me, fingers crossed.
I added some more Ford product images for your pleasure.
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Post by: dga57 on March 05, 2016, 04:30:05 PM
I think you might be on the right track with your thoughts about the ignition switch... I had a 1983 F-150 that did that.  All I ever had to do was cut it off and restart it and it would be fine.  Probably worth looking into.  As for the photos, I LOVE that Mercury!!!


Dwayne :)
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Post by: 74 PintoWagon on March 05, 2016, 05:33:13 PM
I had one of them Mercs, nice riding car..
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Post by: 76hotrodpinto on March 05, 2016, 07:28:36 PM
It's cool to see the pinto has it's place there too.

There's a tubbed out capri carcass for sale here, that's been haunting my dreams lately. It's almost the same shade of blue as the one you posted.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: pinto_one on March 06, 2016, 11:49:45 AM
Your probably right on the ign switch , you might have to wait untel you have that problem again, then you drop the steering colom and check the switch then ,power should flow through all the large yellow wires , and the car looks great , 👍👍👍

Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: robertwwithee on March 12, 2016, 04:18:50 PM
Thanks for the remark!
ASML in Eindhoven? A microchip man who digs stone age technology?
Always welcome to come take a look at my donkey (and go for a spin).
And I just might take you up on that offer some time...
May 22 till June 3, I'll be there in veldhoven, staying in Eindhoven.  Do u need something for donkey that I can get?

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Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 76hotrodpinto on March 13, 2016, 11:33:12 AM
It's small, weird little planet we're on.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on March 14, 2016, 03:33:38 PM
He Robert, if you're coming by boat, could you take an 8 inch with a fresh pumpkin, fiberglass body parts, a full racing cage, eh, but I guess not, Aeroplane I presume?
There are still (always are) some bits that I need from the States, let me think about it, I'll send you a PM later to discuss practicality.
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Post by: robertwwithee on March 17, 2016, 12:13:00 PM
Yea, by plane. 

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Post by: 72DutchWagon on March 23, 2016, 02:48:57 PM
As some of you may remember I reassembled the exhaust  system in July 2015 with the original 72 2.0 exhaust manifold, to get the show back on the road as soon as possible.
This manifold already was broken and had a bad weld put on top of the crack, and that weld has jumped off since.
The much better Scorpio Pinto manifold presented a problem because it has a two pipe outlet  (good), but they are side by side (not good).
Now I bought myself another piece of vintage cast iron, an Escort RS2000 manifold. I just had to have it because it has “RS” on it, all other reasons are just complementary. The original double downpipes came with it.
This seems to have been a reasonable piece in its day, as it was said to improve the performance of the 2.0 by almost 10%.
I don’t know if it will be better flowing than the 85 Scorpio piece, but at least it has the two pipe outlet vertically, which gives me a better chance of it fitting in the Pinto.
I don’t know yet if it will fit at all, I’ll report on that later, but for now, I just wanted to entertain you guys with some more exotic Euro factory tuning parts for the 2.0.
Also a big bore version of this manifold was produced, only available as a racing part I understand, I included an image of that one as well.   
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Post by: robertwwithee on March 23, 2016, 04:44:39 PM
I have 2 UK magnetic pick up dizzies.  I'm needing the amp to make it work or else put msd with it.  U have anything else that's available.  I have extra manifolds if the rs one doesn't work out.

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Post by: 72DutchWagon on April 25, 2016, 03:22:18 PM
Haven't had much time to tinker on the car lately, this year it's more "Honey do's", have to compensate for spending all summer last year working on donkey's heart transplant.
Donkey is doing domestic chores as well, has been driving around with 300 kg (661 lb) loads of concrete pavement tiles in the back, no complaints whatsoever.
Did manage to remove worn studs from my RS exhaust manifold. First soaked them for a week with WD40. Then optimistically tried to remove them with double nuts after pre-heating the manifold with a gas torch, no such luck.
Then welded nuts to the studs (which also heats the studs), and immediately cooled the stud with water, then put a wrench on, tapped it with a hammer, and they came loose, go back and forth a few times, more WD40, out they came, none broken. 
 
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Post by: 76hotrodpinto on April 27, 2016, 11:24:01 PM
As ridiculous as it may sound, I use pickled jalapeno juice on really rust-stuck parts. If you soak it long enough, it's never failed.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on May 04, 2016, 02:51:40 PM
I went on a 145 mile round trip to buy me a 8 inch rear end from a breakers yard that only handles American vehicles, and specifically Mustang II’s.
Do I need one? No, not at the moment, but I like to have a replacement rear end lying around with decent parts availability, and able to take on a few more ponies in case I should be tempted to up the HP figures somewhat. Also the supposedly easy conversion and maintenance made me decide for the 8 inch.
Not being able to read the crusty tag in the dark freight container it was in made buying it kind of a gamble. Well, you never know in what condition it is, but having sort of the right gearing would be nice.
Unloading it on my own made at least one thing clear, its heavy!
As you may see in the pictures, this rear end  was already equipped with wheel adapters, but the previous users had been stupid enough to cut the protruding original wheel studs with an angle grinder with the adapters in place. They managed to hit not only the studs but also scraped the nuts and the adapter surface, no clue yet if there is enough flat surface left to mount a wheel  correctly.  I do have other adapters fortunately.
I cleaned up the diff tag with wd40 and a toothbrush, and decoding it with help of Fordification. com
gave me the following result; WDY-AN 8BC 3.40 8 244C = 78 Mustang 3.40 gear ratio. A manual check confirmed the ratio. Am I in luck or what?
Can anyone tell me how the 244C (should be the assembly plant?) decodes?
Gas mileage on this trip averaging 65 to 75 mph was 27 miles to the gallon.

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Post by: robertwwithee on May 04, 2016, 05:16:18 PM
Good find.  I run a 8" 3.40 rear in one of my Pintos.  It'll never break.  Your next weak link is the 4 spd tranny, especially if it's behind a hopped up 2000.

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Post by: 72DutchWagon on June 04, 2016, 02:04:31 PM
I had Robertwwithee coming over to my house a few weeks ago to check out my Pinto!
Me and the Misses were of course honoured by having a guest from far away Oregon, and did our best to keep him awake after his too many hours journey.
I think Robert was well pleased when I offered him to drive donkey himself.
I 'd suggest fellow Pinto owner's who know Robert to ask him how it feels to drive a 2.0 EFI Pinto, he now has some hands on experience.
 
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Post by: robertwwithee on June 04, 2016, 04:32:57 PM
What a joy on the EFI 2000 engine.  More responsive than a carb and easier to turbo.  Parts are more expensive in Europe than in US.  Geert, next time I'm bringing more parts for you.  You and Mrs. were great hosts.  Thx

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Post by: pinto_one on June 05, 2016, 10:34:35 AM
Good find on the rear end , looking for that ratio for mine now , I know you put in the type 9 five speed , does it carry the fifth gear overdrive well ? 
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Post by: Wittsend on June 05, 2016, 06:18:21 PM
Yes, I think of all the ratios that were readily available in the Pinto/Mustang II that 3.40's are about the best choice.  Tire size somewhat dictates the ratio choice and if staying close to stock sized tires then the 3.25 ratio seems the best for all purposes.  However, I was told that ratio was very VERY limited in the 8" rear end. Something like a one year only Torino.  So, for all practical purposes 3.40 is the best, especially if you are looking at going to taller 15" or 16" tires. Race inclined owners may prefer the 3.55 but on the street I like the 3.40's better. Of course if you are willing to pay for them the aftermarket has more ratios.

I originally had 3.00's and even with the turbo motor and 215-60-14" tires it was not fun to drive.  The motor pulled fine on deliberate acceleration, but for general driving the car was never in the right gear for common speeds.  Right now I have 175-70-13" with 3.40 and a T-5.  The tach reads 2,600 RPM at 65 MPH. And, around town the car just drives a whole lot better.
When searching for a 8" I always seemed to find 3.00's or 3.55's and the 3.00's were about two to one in availability.  When I finally found 3.40's I grabbed the center section.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on June 07, 2016, 03:06:47 PM
Blaine, the fifth gear still pulls well (so much so that I want to go from 3.55 diff to 3.40), but keep in mind that this is a flat country, and the 2.0 EFI is 115 hp.
Wittsend, I think you could  replicate the feel of a 3.25 diff by just changing tire hight from (195 or 205 15 inch example) 50 to 55 or 60 with a 3.40.
 
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Post by: pinto_one on June 07, 2016, 06:15:47 PM
Know what you mean flat country, here is somewhat flat , only I tow a 16 foot 2500 lbs camper and go some places that has huge hills , and I do not tow in overdrive , with the original tires some hill it would down shift into second , still @ 65 mph going over the top with the cruse control on , now with the taller tires it's going to be a chore going over the large hills , did some math on a early ford ranger with the 2.8 V6 , the ranger had 215/75/15 , and a 3.44 rear end so it's going to be a good match with the 3.40 for towing and good gas mileage in overdrive when I am not towing anything , the engine has a 2.9 crank , overb
Over bore , comp cam for towing and fuel injection , long tube headers , so grunt it's got , just got to gear it , and worse is I have two compleat 8 inch pinto rear ends , yep both are 3.00  :o
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Post by: Wittsend on June 07, 2016, 10:22:52 PM
Wittsend, I think you could  replicate the feel of a 3.25 diff by just changing tire hight from (195 or 205 15 inch example) 50 to 55 or 60 with a 3.40.

I absolutely agree.  In fact I often make it a point of stating the relationship between the rear ratio and tire size..., but omitted it this time.  Someday I hope we will have an established standard like "revolutions per mile" that take both rear ratio, tire size (and overdrive if applicable) into consideration. I always laugh when someone runs a ratio like 4.56's on the street and never considers the drag car that runs that ratio has significantly taller tires than the street car.  Something in the 3.50-3.75 range would be the equivalent with the shorter street tires.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on July 17, 2016, 03:07:49 PM
Short update on progress on Donkey; finally hooked up the T9 backup light switch (always these little details that get postponed). I'm cleaning up the 8 inch for painting and waiting for some Rockauto parts to arrive, bearrings and seals and what have you.
I always scan the cars and parts for sale sites when I haven't got anything better to do (or don't want to), and look what popped up, a 77 Mercury Bobcat 2.8, talk about rare finds this side of the pond.
Then I start fantasizing about adding a second generation BOB 2.9 Cosworth out of a Scorpio (get a complete car), and for a little over € 3500,-- ($ 3800,--) for everything, and a lot of tinkering time, you could have yourself a 210 HP Bobcat Cosworth with a A4LDE tranny?
Naah, it'll be for somebody else, I'll stick to Donkey.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on July 27, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
Bought me an extra Pinto 2.0 EFI engine as backup for Donkey’s powerplant. This makes it easier to get engine and/or  cylinder head overhauled in the future without taking the car of the road for too long.
The seller couldn’t be bothered with removing the A4LD transmission, so it came free with the package, there really isn’t a market for these transmissions here.
This EFI engine even has a O2 sensor, catalytic converter, the works. To my surprise the engine code starts with LM, making it a 1990 engine, 5 years younger than the one in Donkey . I always thought the last 2.0 Pinto’s in passenger cars were phased out by 1989 in the Netherlands, though Wiki states they were produced till 1992.
I added a few pictures  for your enjoyment.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on August 07, 2016, 11:54:02 AM
Me and Donkey went on a 200 mile round trip to the 16th Ford campingmeet at Zonhoven, Belgium.
They have a three days meet and you can stay at the camping, I only went for one day though.
Donkey received lots of interest and was photographed all the time by people who had never seen a Pinto,  let alone a wagon. 
The engine conversion was also food for conversation in Dutch, English, German and French.
I made some pictures to give you folks an impression of this international get together.
They include among others a rat-look Taunus stationcar with a v6 2.9 efi conversion running on LPG (quite popular around here), An Italian built OSI sportscar with Taunus mechanics, a Tickford Capri Turbo and a French built Ford Vedette.

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Post by: 72DutchWagon on August 07, 2016, 11:55:59 AM
And another few images
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Post by: dga57 on August 07, 2016, 05:09:31 PM
That looks like it was a fun car show!


Dwayne :)
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Post by: 74 PintoWagon on August 08, 2016, 07:33:56 AM
Looks like a pretty good swap meet too.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on September 19, 2016, 03:09:59 PM
There is so much stuff lying around (and little space) at the moment  that I can´t even work on the 8 inch that is supposed to go under Donkey.
So I disassembled the 90 Pinto EFI N4B engine into more manageable chunks and learned a lot about it along the way. Most difficult to do was getting off  the crankshaft pulleys, particularly the cam belt pulley needed some rough fabrication to get access to it without ruining the aluminum casting that sits around it. I used my steering wheel  puller. And I bought an electric impact wrench, that really helps.
I added a few pictures of the EFI head,  with its typical egg shaped inlet ports to make room for the injectors.
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Post by: robertwwithee on September 21, 2016, 05:24:27 PM
Wish I could come over and help.   Someday I will see u again.  ASML Robert

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Post by: robertwwithee on December 01, 2016, 01:29:55 PM
I'm coming back to Holland in January.  What do u need?

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Post by: 72DutchWagon on December 01, 2016, 02:29:43 PM
Oh my, just when I'm hacking up the exhaust system to renew it with something more suitable to the 2.0 EFI (which of course includes custom pipe fabrication), I'm going to get another surprise visit from the American branch of the club.
But you're always welcome Robert, as are other Pinto club members if they are in the neighbourhood.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on December 28, 2016, 03:42:16 PM
I’m replacing Donkey’s  exhaust manifold and exhaust system. Escort RS2000 manifold is a direct fit, but the double downpipe that came with it was not usable. I made a model out of wood and  pvc pipe and fittings. The fittings only came in 45 (and 90, but I didn’t need those) degree bends. With a saw I took  about 80% out of the bends, after which I could bend them at any desired  angle with use of a heat gun. A good friend who is an experienced welder did most of the work in converting my model to the mild steel version.
We don’t have access to bending equipment, so most of it is done by hacking up new of the shelf bends and pipe and old downpipe and welding it back together. Downpipe is two times 1,75 inch which goes into a 2,0 inch exhaust system.
I finally bought myself a gas bottle and wire spool  for my own multifunction welding machine, which I’ve only been using for stick welding up till now, so I’ll be having mig welding fun with the rest of the plumbing.
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Post by: dick1172762 on December 28, 2016, 04:47:09 PM
510 Datsuns have a double outlet exhaust too. Many I've talked to say its better flowing than a tubing header.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on December 29, 2016, 02:39:20 PM
Dick, I’ve heard rumours about that too. In any case, the flowing capacity couldn’t get worse!
Here is the over axle pipe which contains mig welding by myself. It’s not a masterpiece, but functionality is the name of the game here. I did try to stay well clear of the diff, need enough room for the 8 inch rear end swap that will probably become a spring project. That’s about it for 2016! 
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Post by: dick1172762 on December 29, 2016, 03:01:46 PM
You could have used flex pipe but your looks much better and will last longer too. Only us poor boy's with out a welder use flex pipe. At least to drive it to a muffler shop. Keep up the good work. Your post are always good information.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on January 20, 2017, 02:16:11 PM
Robert came to visit on his way to job training in the Netherlands, and brought some parts that I was missing from the interior of my car, and would be impossible to find here. Thanks a bunch Robert!
Then an even bigger surprise, Robert opened a large suitcase, and folded out came a new Pinto carpet, which had been sent to him by Blaine! That’s just unbelievable, I don’t know how to thank Pinto_ One  enough for this!
Robert is at the left in the picture, Geert (that’s me) at the right.
And maybe it’s just me, but I had the impression that Donkey’s headlights were shining brighter today…
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Post by: dga57 on January 20, 2017, 11:50:37 PM
It's the willing helpfulness between members that makes this site special!  This is a perfect example of that!

Dwayne :)
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Post by: pinto_one on January 27, 2017, 01:30:52 PM
Glad your head lights are now shinning very brightly , please post a few photos when you install the carpet , going to look great inside , now you need some nice wheels  ;D
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Post by: robertwwithee on January 27, 2017, 02:16:19 PM
He has wheels in the garage.  I seen them.  Glad to see Geert's progress on the wagon.  Blaine gets credit as I was just courier. 

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Post by: 72DutchWagon on March 05, 2017, 10:54:02 AM
Once again Donkey went to the Antwerp Classic Salon (40th edition). On the parking lot he cuddled up to a Audi Ur-Quattro.
Other joys to be seen on the increasingly wet and muddy parking were the classics in the second image, if you look carefully you can also see parts of several recent Bentley convertibles and Porsches next to and behind them, it gives an idea of the wide variety of people that this event attracts.
Third image shows a French Ford SAF Comète Monte Carlo, which has the French version of the 239 flathead V8.
Fourth image is a rally prepped Mustang.
I’m sorry, but there wasn’t a Ford 2.0 or 2.3 in sight, only Pinto connection was a Capri 2.8 from the last day they built them in 1986.
Used parts availability on these shows is getting poorer by the year, seems that everything is going by the Internet nowadays, and I don’t care for stands with model cars, leather caps and goggles.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on March 05, 2017, 10:55:30 AM
Here are some extra “eco green” Salon impressions, more or less as a protest against Antwerp creating a LEZ (low emission zone) for the inner city, effectively banning 1 in 5 vehicles registered in that zone (!) from entering it. All over Europe cities are creating their own crazy schemes, so you never know what you’re up against when driving a car older then say 15 years.
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Post by: robertwwithee on March 08, 2017, 04:15:56 PM
Nice show.  The big cities here have emissions testing up to a certain age usually 30 yrs or greater, every state different.  I live in country but work in city so I basically get a free pass to pollute the 90 kilometer commute each way

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Post by: 72DutchWagon on April 16, 2017, 12:27:08 PM
So sad to have to say farewell…
To a period accessory; the tin mud flaps have reached the end of their working life, all battered and with torn out bolt holes they have to go.
To soften the loss I took Donkey on a 130 mile round trip to the “American Day” in Boxtel.
Here he was in rather exquisite company, but still drew attention for being a true rarity, no Pinto’s here, let alone wagon’s.
I might have tried to enter the “concours d’elegance” competition, but in hindsight, that would have have been a step too far.
Donkey behaved impeccably all day, but this was the first time I experienced some fuel starvation with a more than half empty tank on accelerating out off a left hand corner.  Future update wish list gets tank baffling or a swirl pot added.
Still have to find time to perform other work that was already in the planning though, home improvement chores get in the way.
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Post by: pinto_one on April 17, 2017, 10:47:37 AM
Car looks great ,  I hope you keep it out of the mud since you don't have mud flaps anymore .  ;D
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on June 24, 2017, 02:36:23 PM
spring has past, no news...
Had to start sometime on axle change, Donkey is back in the pits.
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Post by: pinto_one on June 24, 2017, 06:57:10 PM
I hate to be the one to tell you this but your going to have a wheel problem , the center 71 to 73 wheels
will not fit the 74 up hubs , they will not slide all the way on ,there is a fix for that 
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on June 25, 2017, 11:30:15 AM
No worries Blaine, I was aware of that, saying goodbye to the 13 inches anyways.
There is one other thing that I would like some advice on.
In Bob2000’s axle conversion story there was a mention of the 71-73 Pinto’s having  a round centering point for the rear end on the spring saddle, the 74-80 Pinto’s have an oblong hole in the spring perch (see images).
I already knew that the 6 ¾ rear end  under Donkey wasn’t the original one, because its tag read WGF-N, which would be a 74-76 rear end (but with 71-73 axles?), and it has the oblong hole, like my 8 inch.
Now, the previous axle swappers didn’t see any point in adapting the perch hole to fit exactly to the 72 centering point, and it never was an issue. I guess that sideways the play is only 0.04 inch either way, which isn’t worth looking at, and front and backwards, the positioning of the axle is more or less fixed by the U-bolts. Once tightened up I don’t believe it’s going anywhere.
What do you guys think?
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Post by: Reeves1 on June 25, 2017, 06:23:23 PM
Cannot answer your question above.... but just an FYI - you cannot (should not) use the old U bolts.

Any spring shop can make you new ones.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on June 26, 2017, 04:06:40 PM
Thanks Reeves, that was not on this little project's list, better find some new ones then!
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on June 28, 2017, 12:58:05 PM
Better safe than sorry
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Post by: robertwwithee on June 28, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Very nice work Geert. I need to do that

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Post by: 72DutchWagon on July 02, 2017, 03:42:48 PM
8 inch is finally under Donkey, and with some Italian 15 inch OZ superturismo wheels added it’s back on the road. Adaptation for wheels gave some headache, but now I’ve got a wide choice in four bolt wheels with an ET of 27 to 28mm originally intended for primarily Peugeot vehicles. That 27 to 28mm ET is around the 1 inch mark, which is the standard ET for a 72 Pinto according to the Ford car shop manual.
 It meant custom milling on the inside of standard 25mm spacers  intended for Ford to fit on the 8 inch axles,  and adding a centering ring on the outside to compensate for  the slightly bigger center hole in the wheels intended for Peugeot.
Most important reason for taking this route is the low ET, most modern wheels have much higher ET’s  and are not usable in this configuration.
Front wheel spacers  still have to be adapted (more milling) so at the moment the front is still running on stock steel.
So far I’m happy with this conversion, less play in driveline, less noise, feels more stable and better  diff ratio, 3.55 to 3.40.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on September 10, 2017, 02:57:53 PM
Here are some pics of 15 inch OZ wheels all around on Donkey. I decided against using spacers on the front, just custom made a few hub centric rings with a 3D printer. Tires are 195/50 at the moment, but they are quite old, might go for a little taller in the future. If I go to 195/60, the circumference would be about the same as the 185/70/14 wheels on the Scorpio that donated its drivetrain, we'll see.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on September 14, 2017, 01:50:28 PM
I’m disassembling my spare 1990 Pinto 2.0 EFI head, factory hardened valve seats, what a luxury…
This one should got to an engine shop for cleaning and tune up, will be fitted with Kent cams FR34 injection cam, and will then replace Donkey’s 1985 EFI head.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on September 30, 2017, 11:14:19 AM
My 90 2.0 head is back from the engine shop (in a week!) and it really looks good.
The engine shop owner even fitted new camshaft bearings, oil seal and better quality valve stem seals without extra charge.  He must have a weak spot for Pinto’s, I found out he races them himself in Formula Ford competition.
Having this done by a professional is not cheap, but I don’t think you can clean up a head like this at home without the proper experience and equipment.
Hope to be able to exchange this one with Donkey’s tired head in the near future.
Something I definitely overpaid on is a scrap yard Mustang II steering column and steering shaft, particularly because I’m probably only going to use it for measurement purposes, I intend to get rid of the 71 72 flexible steering shaft.
I’ve always had the idea that there is too much flex (not play, flex) in the steering, and now it feels worse with wider wheels and tires, and the somewhat wider track at the rear (spacers).
I’m not going over 85 mph at the moment because it just feels scary, like having a heavy  crosswind  when there is no wind at all. It also feels strange driving slowly on uneven surface.
Not so much trouble in a curve, but very noticeable in a (fast) straight line.
45 years and countless miles of service may of course be a lot to ask from a flex shaft.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 08, 2017, 12:18:23 PM
Action shot of Donkey, hauling old iron to the scrappy, $ 0.08 per lbs, 290 lbs, small reward for cleaning out the garage.
Second pic is winter wheels, 15 inch steel  Peugeot wheels, offset about 1 inch, tires 195/65/15, circumference 1994mm/78,5 inches. . These wheels are very easy to find over here.
 I think this is about the tallest tire you can fit at the front without rubbing.
Whilst changing the wheels I found one of the reasons for the sloppy steering feel, left tie rod end is loose, better change that out (fast) before tackling the steering shaft.
When this issue is corrected I’ll go and find out if 5th speed will still pull a tire this tall.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on November 01, 2017, 04:02:32 PM
Well, 85 mph in fifth (after fitting new tie rod end) with 195/65/15 is no problem,  even up a mild gradient, and there is still power left.
Now Donkey is back in the barn for head  and trans mount exchange.
85 head is a little tired, so I had my spare 90 head reconditioned and updated with Kent cams FR34 injection cam, should give more torque from 1000 rpm, not that it was lacking in that department, but a little extra…  You know.
Cylinder walls look fine to me, except for the rusty edge at the top, but I’m not doing anything to the block at this moment.
Head bolts were exchanged for ARP studs, later Pinto 2.0’s have one time use only stretch bolts, don’t like that  idea.
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Post by: dick1172762 on November 02, 2017, 12:42:01 PM
Why are we seeing a different burn pattern on pistons 1 and 4 than 2 and 3? And why is there rust at the top of all cylinders?
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on November 02, 2017, 03:11:32 PM
Well  Dick, as you might remember, I  acquired this engine and T9 box in December 2014, packaged in a  roadworthy 85 Scorpio with about 120.000 miles on it, which is far too little for a 29 year old car.
Probably it was first owned by a German pensioner, and after that imported to The Netherlands, and it might have been standing for a long time before I bought it.
I ran it for about 500 miles to see how it went, took it over 100 mph in that time, then dismantled the Scorpio, and plonked the lot in Donkey without opening anything up.
It has been serving me faithfully to this day, so “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” seems to be true in this case.
What you see is as new to  you as it was to me the day before when I took the head off.
Different burn pattern; might the flash light of taking the picture make it look that way, I hadn’t noticed? Look at the spark plugs in the right order, nothing strange  there I think?
The coolant that I renewed in 2015 is completely rust brown, so will be changed again now, I think that also points to the engine having been standing  unused for long times before 2015.
Today I only had time to change the rubber mounted center piece of my adapted Scorpio trans mount, which is holding up  nicely. The rubber was almost eaten away (after 32 years), see through in some places, so I got a new one from Burton’s.
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Post by: dick1172762 on November 04, 2017, 02:04:38 PM
Plugs look good. What I was talking about was the different look of 1 and 4 in relation to 2 and 3 pistons. Most of the time all 4 pistons will look nearly the same if the engine is not totally wore out.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on November 06, 2017, 01:23:35 PM
Donkey's engine is all back together again, and with fresh head, cam, cam belt and coolant is running around as happy as ever. I haven't really tried yet, but it seems to have more pulling power from low rev's.
As it is now I hope to get through the winter and pass  road test (every two years) in March. Time to do some work in the house and think about what to tackle next (spring?). 
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Post by: dick1172762 on November 06, 2017, 01:38:26 PM
I really think everything will work out ok. You seem to have a really good hold on your Pinto. Just keep up the good work next spring.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on March 03, 2018, 01:12:42 PM
Donkey passed its  road test in February without any real problems, new windshield wiper blades and fixed high beam warning light and good to go for another two years.
March the third was time for Antwerp Classic Salon again, weather had been quite bad the night before, so almost no classics in the snow  on the parking. Donkey couldn’t care less, he just wants to go out and about.
Inside wasn’t  much better, not one  Pinto engined classic in sight, so all I have for you are an ridi- ahum –meticulously restored Mustang (with too many factory quality control markings for my liking) and a couple of vintage Shelby’s.
I won’t bore the hell out of you with all the Porsche’s, Lagonda’s, Benz’s etc. that were also there.   
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on May 26, 2018, 01:46:53 PM
I’m back with a real life” way past sell by date” story, a reminder that after years and years of use, some parts will give up.
In this case it was one of the tailgate springs that broke with a loud bang. First I didn’t know what had happened, until I lifted  the tailgate again, doesn’t stay up any more (now where did I hear…).
Have to figure out a way to bend something like that and put it back in.
Must say that I always was most impressed by the installed system, as it remained functioning correctly for much longer than any lift support strut that I know of.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 21, 2018, 11:20:47 AM
For the last half year I’ve been using Donkey as a car without spending any extra money on it.
Come fall, I did think that it was time for a service, new oil,  filter, brake fluid etc.
All went well except for a stuck brake bleeder and a loose grease nipple on the left front side.
So the caliper had to come off, used lots of WD40, put a nail in the stuck bleeder to prevent it from collapsing and with the help of a pipe wrench managed to get it out in one piece.  New brake bleeder was Dorman 13901.
That was one problem fixed, then the other one; I enlarged the grease nipple hole, cut new thread and fitted a larger nipple.
I had some time to spare so decided to pull out the chairs and rubber mats and check out the floors and maybe test fit Blaine’s carpet. As this required making holes in the carpet for seat belts, handbrake and shifter, and not having a Torx T50 bit lying around for removing the seat belts I decided that this would have to wait. I also discovered two places in the floor pan that will require a small patch welded in. Moisture and time will eventually take their toll on everything, and the fact that there is a lot of kit used around the front windscreen, and the original carpet being replaced somewhere in the past  by a few pieces of rubber mat,  indicates previous moisture problems.
This car does have an old rust prevention undercoating, which has helped it staying in good condition for a long time,  but it’s past its prime now and will need removing before fixing the floor.
Another nice job for maybe next spring, the seats aren’t falling through the floors yet!
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on December 27, 2018, 02:35:23 PM
My European Pinto 2.0 EFI is run by  a Ford EECIV ecu, similar to the ones in loads of eighties and nineties American Ford’s, not with the same software and components of course.
As I am contemplating to get a newer aftermarket ecu somewhere in the future, and I had been thinking about a step by step reversible transition, I went searching for an extra EECIV connector, so I wouldn’t have to hack up my original Scorpio injection harness.
The connectors are available new on ebay, but most without terminals, or very pricey.
I found a cheap complete Focus ecu at the scrappy, but then came the real issue, how to get 60 pins desoldered from the PCB. I read all sorts of info on forums but nothing worked, gas torch or heat gun are only good for destroying the lot. Desoldering with a soldering station didn’t work, the heat seemed to flow away in the circuit board, the solder wouldn’t melt. Buying a real desoldering station for this one job was a step too far for me.
I ended up grinding away the PCB around every single one of the sixty pins with a Dremel, after that the heat of the soldering iron was enough to loosen the small “diamonds” left around the pins.
Now with an extra connector, I could even make a breakout box like this guy did: http://www.merkurclub.com/kizerweb/scorpio/misc/tools/breakout.htm
That way I could hook up anything to the existing harness for testing purposes.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on January 12, 2019, 02:15:02 PM
Déjà vu? No, I just did it again, couldn’t resist picking up this Ford Maverick 8 inch axle as a backup for my 8 inch Mustang II rear end. I know it isn’t as wide, and the perches are in the wrong place, and it’s a 5-lug, but in reality, I just got it for the diff.  To be able to work on one while driving around with the other one.  These things don’t grow on trees around here, and there are some hoarders around who ask crazy prices, so when one pops up, you go for it.
This one was just south of Bruges in Belgium, 3 hour round trip, Donkey happy all the way.
Fordification tag decoding for WDW-AA tag gives a 2.79 ratio 75-77 Maverick, seems correct.
We’ve had the discussion about the ideal gear ratio here before, but at the moment I’m certain 3.40 is to tall for my 195/65/15 winter tires. I checked what the gear ratio was on the Scorpio that supplied my drivetrain, and that was a 3.92 (with factory 185/70/14 tires)!
I think I’m going to aim for a 3.8 ring and pinion, which combined with the desired 195/55/15 summer tires gets me as close as possible to the original setup.
Wittsend, can you check my calculations????
And for all you folks with an eye for detail, yes the tailgate is held up with a broomstick, haven’t found a solution for the broken left tailgate spring yet.  If someone has a set of these lying about,  please send me a PM.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on January 14, 2019, 03:01:10 PM
Started disassembly of the Maverick  rear end, so far one completely shot right axle bearing and oil seal, axles are good, just goes to show that pieces of old iron like these can never be trusted to be able to be put in action immediately.
Taking it apart makes it easier to handle the different parts,  but there is a higher risk of not finding all the bits when you need them to come together.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on January 16, 2019, 10:21:16 AM
Finished taking apart the rear end, no further surprises, 2.79 ring and pinion like new.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 23, 2019, 12:35:59 PM
Yes, Donkey is still around!
In for some necessary repairs and updates, passenger floor needs some patches welded in, but before that I have to tackle a leaking heater core problem (which could have attributed to the floor rot), so out with the heater housing.
Hands up everyone who has a brand new heater core in the box, but is postponing creeping under the dash until the end of time. I know, it is no fun.
It took me half a day, 72 Ford Car Shop Manual wasn’t 100% helpful, but with some patience, the bugger came out. I’ll report on further dissection.
As I had to drain the coolant any way, I pulled the radiator and fan to get access to the crank pulley, going to try to fit one with a trigger wheel.
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Post by: dga57 on October 24, 2019, 08:37:01 AM
Welcome back after a nine month hiatus!!!  You were missed!

Dwayne :)
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 24, 2019, 03:01:14 PM
Thanks Dwayne, and sorry for the long silence, but the car just keeps going, what can I do?
Well, back to the heater core, there was an uninhabited mice nest on it, had to clear that first.
When opened up, the leaking radiator was obvious. What I also found was that the door that regulates cold or warm air coming in must have been covered with some kind of foam, of which most has crumbled away after 47 years, this probably means that it won’t shut of either passage way positively, so no 100% cold or 100% warm setting.  Have to think about a solution for that.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: dga57 on October 24, 2019, 06:00:05 PM
Those pesky mice do find a way into most any space, don't they? ::) >:(
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: Wittsend on October 25, 2019, 11:10:55 AM
Uggg..., I had Rat Wiz trickle down between the cylinder barrel and the cylinder head on my Corvair. The urine reacts with the aluminum and forms a grout like substance fortified with Super Glue! In the image below it is hard to see where the cast iron ends and the aluminum begins. No penetrating oil, heat, or hard whacks from a dead blow hammer is even giving a hint of freeing the parts!


Regarding the foam on the heater flap; I used closed cell foam that is often used in packaging. I believe this was from a wrapper for a motherboard. I simply used spray contact adhesive to hold the foam in place. As best I recall I did both sides.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 25, 2019, 02:38:37 PM
Good one that, Wittsend! Yes, I think it should go on both sides, I'll do something like you did.

Rat Wiz as base component for a new line of (metal) adhesives, now that's an idea...
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 26, 2019, 01:41:51 PM
One small patch done, larger one is next.
This isn't a concours car, functional is the name of the game here.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: Wittsend on October 26, 2019, 02:34:11 PM
You might consider POR 15 (or similar product) on those floors. I used it with their mesh (a thin fiberglass sheet) not unlike what hobby stores sell for model planes.  I'll include below a few pictures of how bad the floors were on my Studebaker Daytona and the end results with the mesh.

  They say you can just flake off the loose rust and paint, but I sandblasted, treated with Phosphoric Acid THEN applied the POR 15 and in most cases put the mesh on both sides. It has been at least 7 years now and the floors look as good as the finished picture.
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Post by: SpaceCowboy1979 on October 26, 2019, 03:11:43 PM
Where did you get the POR 15
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Post by: Wittsend on October 26, 2019, 03:22:53 PM
Just Google POR 15 to see where it might be available in Europe..., if at all.  That said here in the USA there are some brick & mortar stores that carry it, but it is available on line at MANY places.  In the past I have actually purchased it directly from POR-15. Read up about it because you have to follow their procedure.
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Post by: SpaceCowboy1979 on October 26, 2019, 04:26:20 PM
Thanks

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Post by: 72DutchWagon on October 30, 2019, 04:29:36 PM
The large patch is in too, sorry, no real floor patch panel, just a flat plate.
I also removed the fender antenna and radio, radio didn’t work properly no more after ditching the voltage regulator , anti noise thingy was next to the voltage regulator, never bothered to correct that issue.
So as an extra some small fender holes to weld up. Image shows old magnets  holding circle in place before welding.
Rockauto heater core (yes, already had it for some years) is a  good match, I’ll test it for leaks before putting the heater box back in the car. Still have to put foam on the door.
I got myself a POR15 starter kit from the one supplier we seem to have here in the Netherlands, I’ll read the instructions carefully before making a mess Wittsend!
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on November 09, 2019, 01:45:51 PM
New heater core is in the housing, new foam on the cold/hot air door, ready to close the box and put it back under the dash.  POR15 on the welded in plates and surrounding surface rust areas. After that I sprayed it over on the inside with white paint, on the outside with underbody coating.
And last but not least, with the heater core fixed,  I’m putting in the carpet! It was a long wait Blaine and Robert, but here it is!
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Post by: dga57 on November 10, 2019, 07:20:15 PM
Looks good!!!


Dwayne :)
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Post by: pinto_one on November 11, 2019, 11:34:12 AM
getting there quickly now , did you check for leaks around the windsheld and cowl area , they are the main reasons for rusty floors , the windsheld gaskets dry up and start leaking water straght to the floors , those you can buy now on e-bay , and last on your rear ratio are you sticking with the 3.40 ?  the 2.79 is kind of tall for overdrive of the T-9 you got , it will work out and the carpit looks great , it make the car much quiet , mine I brought and installed extra insolation in mine , hardly any road nosie now , and on the rear spring I wonder if a 76 wagon spring could be the same , have one and later I can pull and mesure to check it out , later Blaine
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on November 11, 2019, 02:46:27 PM
Blaine, windshield and cowl must have been troublesome in the past, someone stuffed all the seams and gasket full of sealant which still seems to work for the moment. Major problem now was the leaking heater core.
Donkey is always sleeping inside in a well ventilated lock up, so not too many humidity problems.
I am still running the 3.40, and would actually rather try a 3.55 or even 3.80, because the Scorpio I got the engine and T9 from had a factory 3.92 ratio.
The 2.79 was only mentioned because it came in my backup Maverick pumpkin, rest assured, no way I’m putting that behind a manual gearbox.
I already owe you too many thanks, but thanks again for wanting to check out the tailgate spring, take your time!
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Post by: SpaceCowboy1979 on November 11, 2019, 03:13:57 PM
On all three of my pinto wagons
The leaks were coming from holes on both sides where
The fresh air duct work connects to air channel.    air comes
In the grill at the bottom of windshield exterior of car
Then enters this channel lots of debris collect here
Gets wet then causes corrosion   
Could very well make it look like windshield and or
Heater core leak.
I would  check this before reinstalling your heating unit
You may want to remove hood with the hinge and the boots to get
A good look
I put a couple of light bulbs inside this area too get a good look
Then work on
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Post by: pinto_one on November 12, 2019, 07:08:46 AM
great that you keep it inside , I do the same with mine to make it last for my liftime , for gearing I do have a New set of rare 4.11 gears for the stock 6 3/4 pinto rear still in the box I have had forever ,
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on June 12, 2021, 11:32:12 AM
Hi folks, it’s been a long time but I’m back here to inform you that Donkey is still in good health and even pushing for new frontiers!
I didn’t have much news lately as old faithfull just does what he is supposed to do, and hasn’t had any work or money put in to him. Apart from oil change, new sprak plugs and that sort of thing of course.
But now, with a ladder on the roof and tools in the back he has been to France, where I acquired a dilapidated  countryside cottage.  Now there’s a country that doesn’t see many Pinto’s visiting.
Curious people kept asking what it was, as they had never seen one before.
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Post by: Dtmix on June 12, 2021, 12:52:35 PM
I love travelling to Europe, Great Britain, and Ireland...but I have to admit that I never saw a Pinto over there!  I wondered if your Pinto was left behind by a staff member of an embassy or a military base?  Have you seen any other Pintos other than yours in Europe?

Happy Motoring!
Dan
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on June 18, 2021, 02:36:38 PM
Donkey was imported to the Netherlands from Oregon in 2014 by somebody who quickly lost interest. I was able to buy the car from him at a real sweet price. In 2015 the engine was swapped for a 1985 version of the same but with factory efi and a five-speed gearbox (T9).
Lots of classic cars are imported from the States to the Netherlands, afterwards many of them find their way to other European countries.
Title: Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
Post by: Wittsend on June 20, 2021, 11:09:57 AM
It is interesting that while Ford never sold the Pinto in Europe the 2.0 EAO engine that was built in Germany was referred to as the "Pinto Engine" on Wheelers Dealers. And in that case I believe it was some French 'van like vehicle' that it was used in. So, a Germany motor in a French vehicle that was referenced by name to a car that was never sold in Europe. Strange.
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Post by: 72DutchWagon on April 27, 2022, 10:59:05 AM
It’s again been a long time, but here we are with some news.
Donkey gets treated to some new used seats, the red ones that are in there aren’t the original ones any way (original interior is black, back seat still is), and very much used up.
The new ones aren’t perfect, but much better. They are original Recaro’s from a 1997 Ford Puma (Europe only), $ 35 each.
I was very pleased to find these at Venyard (www.venauto.nl), just 15 km from my place. It’s a rather new wrecking yard with all cars photographed and put on the website with location, so you can check at home if they have something interesting.
I’m still looking for a pair of Wagon tailgate springs, if anyone can help me with these I’d be much obliged.
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Post by: dga57 on April 27, 2022, 11:19:47 AM
Nice looking seats!!!

Dwayne :)
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Post by: Wittsend on April 27, 2022, 02:03:07 PM
Your seats look very nice! They seem to fit well too. I used the T-Bird Turbo Coupe seats just because I had them. The side bolsters are adjustable width but even set as narrow as possible (thankfully I'm one of those skinny Americans) they touch the trans tunnel and sides of the door (lightly).