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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2016, 04:18:50 PM »
Thanks for the remark!
ASML in Eindhoven? A microchip man who digs stone age technology?
Always welcome to come take a look at my donkey (and go for a spin).
And I just might take you up on that offer some time...
May 22 till June 3, I'll be there in veldhoven, staying in Eindhoven.  Do u need something for donkey that I can get?

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2016, 11:33:12 AM »
It's small, weird little planet we're on.
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2016, 03:33:38 PM »
He Robert, if you're coming by boat, could you take an 8 inch with a fresh pumpkin, fiberglass body parts, a full racing cage, eh, but I guess not, Aeroplane I presume?
There are still (always are) some bits that I need from the States, let me think about it, I'll send you a PM later to discuss practicality.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2016, 12:13:00 PM »
Yea, by plane. 

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2016, 02:48:57 PM »
As some of you may remember I reassembled the exhaust  system in July 2015 with the original 72 2.0 exhaust manifold, to get the show back on the road as soon as possible.
This manifold already was broken and had a bad weld put on top of the crack, and that weld has jumped off since.
The much better Scorpio Pinto manifold presented a problem because it has a two pipe outlet  (good), but they are side by side (not good).
Now I bought myself another piece of vintage cast iron, an Escort RS2000 manifold. I just had to have it because it has ďRSĒ on it, all other reasons are just complementary. The original double downpipes came with it.
This seems to have been a reasonable piece in its day, as it was said to improve the performance of the 2.0 by almost 10%.
I donít know if it will be better flowing than the 85 Scorpio piece, but at least it has the two pipe outlet vertically, which gives me a better chance of it fitting in the Pinto.
I donít know yet if it will fit at all, Iíll report on that later, but for now, I just wanted to entertain you guys with some more exotic Euro factory tuning parts for the 2.0.
Also a big bore version of this manifold was produced, only available as a racing part I understand, I included an image of that one as well.   

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2016, 04:44:39 PM »
I have 2 UK magnetic pick up dizzies.  I'm needing the amp to make it work or else put msd with it.  U have anything else that's available.  I have extra manifolds if the rs one doesn't work out.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2016, 03:22:18 PM »
Haven't had much time to tinker on the car lately, this year it's more "Honey do's", have to compensate for spending all summer last year working on donkey's heart transplant.
Donkey is doing domestic chores as well, has been driving around with 300 kg (661 lb) loads of concrete pavement tiles in the back, no complaints whatsoever.
Did manage to remove worn studs from my RS exhaust manifold. First soaked them for a week with WD40. Then optimistically tried to remove them with double nuts after pre-heating the manifold with a gas torch, no such luck.
Then welded nuts to the studs (which also heats the studs), and immediately cooled the stud with water, then put a wrench on, tapped it with a hammer, and they came loose, go back and forth a few times, more WD40, out they came, none broken. 
 

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2016, 11:24:01 PM »
As ridiculous as it may sound, I use pickled jalapeno juice on really rust-stuck parts. If you soak it long enough, it's never failed.
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2016, 02:51:40 PM »
I went on a 145 mile round trip to buy me a 8 inch rear end from a breakers yard that only handles American vehicles, and specifically Mustang IIís.
Do I need one? No, not at the moment, but I like to have a replacement rear end lying around with decent parts availability, and able to take on a few more ponies in case I should be tempted to up the HP figures somewhat. Also the supposedly easy conversion and maintenance made me decide for the 8 inch.
Not being able to read the crusty tag in the dark freight container it was in made buying it kind of a gamble. Well, you never know in what condition it is, but having sort of the right gearing would be nice.
Unloading it on my own made at least one thing clear, its heavy!
As you may see in the pictures, this rear end  was already equipped with wheel adapters, but the previous users had been stupid enough to cut the protruding original wheel studs with an angle grinder with the adapters in place. They managed to hit not only the studs but also scraped the nuts and the adapter surface, no clue yet if there is enough flat surface left to mount a wheel  correctly.  I do have other adapters fortunately.
I cleaned up the diff tag with wd40 and a toothbrush, and decoding it with help of Fordification. com
gave me the following result; WDY-AN 8BC 3.40 8 244C = 78 Mustang 3.40 gear ratio. A manual check confirmed the ratio. Am I in luck or what?
Can anyone tell me how the 244C (should be the assembly plant?) decodes?
Gas mileage on this trip averaging 65 to 75 mph was 27 miles to the gallon.


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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2016, 05:16:18 PM »
Good find.  I run a 8" 3.40 rear in one of my Pintos.  It'll never break.  Your next weak link is the 4 spd tranny, especially if it's behind a hopped up 2000.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2016, 02:04:31 PM »
I had Robertwwithee coming over to my house a few weeks ago to check out my Pinto!
Me and the Misses were of course honoured by having a guest from far away Oregon, and did our best to keep him awake after his too many hours journey.
I think Robert was well pleased when I offered him to drive donkey himself.
I 'd suggest fellow Pinto owner's who know Robert to ask him how it feels to drive a 2.0 EFI Pinto, he now has some hands on experience.
 

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2016, 04:32:57 PM »
What a joy on the EFI 2000 engine.  More responsive than a carb and easier to turbo.  Parts are more expensive in Europe than in US.  Geert, next time I'm bringing more parts for you.  You and Mrs. were great hosts.  Thx

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2016, 10:34:35 AM »
Good find on the rear end , looking for that ratio for mine now , I know you put in the type 9 five speed , does it carry the fifth gear overdrive well ? 
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2016, 06:18:21 PM »
Yes, I think of all the ratios that were readily available in the Pinto/Mustang II that 3.40's are about the best choice.  Tire size somewhat dictates the ratio choice and if staying close to stock sized tires then the 3.25 ratio seems the best for all purposes.  However, I was told that ratio was very VERY limited in the 8" rear end. Something like a one year only Torino.  So, for all practical purposes 3.40 is the best, especially if you are looking at going to taller 15" or 16" tires. Race inclined owners may prefer the 3.55 but on the street I like the 3.40's better. Of course if you are willing to pay for them the aftermarket has more ratios.

I originally had 3.00's and even with the turbo motor and 215-60-14" tires it was not fun to drive.  The motor pulled fine on deliberate acceleration, but for general driving the car was never in the right gear for common speeds.  Right now I have 175-70-13" with 3.40 and a T-5.  The tach reads 2,600 RPM at 65 MPH. And, around town the car just drives a whole lot better.
When searching for a 8" I always seemed to find 3.00's or 3.55's and the 3.00's were about two to one in availability.  When I finally found 3.40's I grabbed the center section.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2016, 03:06:47 PM »
Blaine, the fifth gear still pulls well (so much so that I want to go from 3.55 diff to 3.40), but keep in mind that this is a flat country, and the 2.0 EFI is 115 hp.
Wittsend, I think you could  replicate the feel of a 3.25 diff by just changing tire hight from (195 or 205 15 inch example) 50 to 55 or 60 with a 3.40.
 

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2016, 06:15:47 PM »
Know what you mean flat country, here is somewhat flat , only I tow a 16 foot 2500 lbs camper and go some places that has huge hills , and I do not tow in overdrive , with the original tires some hill it would down shift into second , still @ 65 mph going over the top with the cruse control on , now with the taller tires it's going to be a chore going over the large hills , did some math on a early ford ranger with the 2.8 V6 , the ranger had 215/75/15 , and a 3.44 rear end so it's going to be a good match with the 3.40 for towing and good gas mileage in overdrive when I am not towing anything , the engine has a 2.9 crank , overb
Over bore , comp cam for towing and fuel injection , long tube headers , so grunt it's got , just got to gear it , and worse is I have two compleat 8 inch pinto rear ends , yep both are 3.00  :o
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2016, 10:22:52 PM »
Wittsend, I think you could  replicate the feel of a 3.25 diff by just changing tire hight from (195 or 205 15 inch example) 50 to 55 or 60 with a 3.40.

I absolutely agree.  In fact I often make it a point of stating the relationship between the rear ratio and tire size..., but omitted it this time.  Someday I hope we will have an established standard like "revolutions per mile" that take both rear ratio, tire size (and overdrive if applicable) into consideration. I always laugh when someone runs a ratio like 4.56's on the street and never considers the drag car that runs that ratio has significantly taller tires than the street car.  Something in the 3.50-3.75 range would be the equivalent with the shorter street tires.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2016, 03:07:49 PM »
Short update on progress on Donkey; finally hooked up the T9 backup light switch (always these little details that get postponed). I'm cleaning up the 8 inch for painting and waiting for some Rockauto parts to arrive, bearrings and seals and what have you.
I always scan the cars and parts for sale sites when I haven't got anything better to do (or don't want to), and look what popped up, a 77 Mercury Bobcat 2.8, talk about rare finds this side of the pond.
Then I start fantasizing about adding a second generation BOB 2.9 Cosworth out of a Scorpio (get a complete car), and for a little over Ä 3500,-- ($ 3800,--) for everything, and a lot of tinkering time, you could have yourself a 210 HP Bobcat Cosworth with a A4LDE tranny?
Naah, it'll be for somebody else, I'll stick to Donkey.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2016, 02:37:06 PM »
Bought me an extra Pinto 2.0 EFI engine as backup for Donkeyís powerplant. This makes it easier to get engine and/or  cylinder head overhauled in the future without taking the car of the road for too long.
The seller couldnít be bothered with removing the A4LD transmission, so it came free with the package, there really isnít a market for these transmissions here.
This EFI engine even has a O2 sensor, catalytic converter, the works. To my surprise the engine code starts with LM, making it a 1990 engine, 5 years younger than the one in Donkey . I always thought the last 2.0 Pintoís in passenger cars were phased out by 1989 in the Netherlands, though Wiki states they were produced till 1992.
I added a few pictures  for your enjoyment.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2016, 11:54:02 AM »
Me and Donkey went on a 200 mile round trip to the 16th Ford campingmeet at Zonhoven, Belgium.
They have a three days meet and you can stay at the camping, I only went for one day though.
Donkey received lots of interest and was photographed all the time by people who had never seen a Pinto,  let alone a wagon. 
The engine conversion was also food for conversation in Dutch, English, German and French.
I made some pictures to give you folks an impression of this international get together.
They include among others a rat-look Taunus stationcar with a v6 2.9 efi conversion running on LPG (quite popular around here), An Italian built OSI sportscar with Taunus mechanics, a Tickford Capri Turbo and a French built Ford Vedette.


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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2016, 11:55:59 AM »
And another few images

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2016, 05:09:31 PM »
That looks like it was a fun car show!


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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2016, 07:33:56 AM »
Looks like a pretty good swap meet too.
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2016, 03:09:59 PM »
There is so much stuff lying around (and little space) at the moment  that I canīt even work on the 8 inch that is supposed to go under Donkey.
So I disassembled the 90 Pinto EFI N4B engine into more manageable chunks and learned a lot about it along the way. Most difficult to do was getting off  the crankshaft pulleys, particularly the cam belt pulley needed some rough fabrication to get access to it without ruining the aluminum casting that sits around it. I used my steering wheel  puller. And I bought an electric impact wrench, that really helps.
I added a few pictures of the EFI head,  with its typical egg shaped inlet ports to make room for the injectors.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2016, 05:24:27 PM »
Wish I could come over and help.   Someday I will see u again.  ASML Robert

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #55 on: December 01, 2016, 01:29:55 PM »
I'm coming back to Holland in January.  What do u need?

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #56 on: December 01, 2016, 02:29:43 PM »
Oh my, just when I'm hacking up the exhaust system to renew it with something more suitable to the 2.0 EFI (which of course includes custom pipe fabrication), I'm going to get another surprise visit from the American branch of the club.
But you're always welcome Robert, as are other Pinto club members if they are in the neighbourhood.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2016, 03:42:16 PM »
Iím replacing Donkeyís  exhaust manifold and exhaust system. Escort RS2000 manifold is a direct fit, but the double downpipe that came with it was not usable. I made a model out of wood and  pvc pipe and fittings. The fittings only came in 45 (and 90, but I didnít need those) degree bends. With a saw I took  about 80% out of the bends, after which I could bend them at any desired  angle with use of a heat gun. A good friend who is an experienced welder did most of the work in converting my model to the mild steel version.
We donít have access to bending equipment, so most of it is done by hacking up new of the shelf bends and pipe and old downpipe and welding it back together. Downpipe is two times 1,75 inch which goes into a 2,0 inch exhaust system.
I finally bought myself a gas bottle and wire spool  for my own multifunction welding machine, which Iíve only been using for stick welding up till now, so Iíll be having mig welding fun with the rest of the plumbing.

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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2016, 04:47:09 PM »
510 Datsuns have a double outlet exhaust too. Many I've talked to say its better flowing than a tubing header.
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Re: 72 DutchWagon rolling resto
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2016, 02:39:20 PM »
Dick, Iíve heard rumours about that too. In any case, the flowing capacity couldnít get worse!
Here is the over axle pipe which contains mig welding by myself. Itís not a masterpiece, but functionality is the name of the game here. I did try to stay well clear of the diff, need enough room for the 8 inch rear end swap that will probably become a spring project. Thatís about it for 2016!