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3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« on: February 25, 2015, 03:17:59 PM »
Hey guys, I am working on 3D printing the stock Pinto Dome light lenses. I have made a few prototypes but thanks to the miserable plastics on the dome light housings, I have seen way to much variation in the mold to make something with the tolerances I am used to on my Japanese or Italian cars. I have just about finished the final design and submitted it for printing. Price is way higher than I hoped but it looks great. I was shooting for the $15 range but thanks to the better materials I have used, it will be in the $25 range. Ill keep you all posted. In the mean time, here is the prototype:








Here is the 3D model I designed:











Ill keep you posted.
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2015, 06:40:03 AM »
Is it brittle? I tried a 3D printer to make buttons for a system I make at work but they were too brittle to use.

How flexible is it?
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2015, 03:01:25 PM »
"Is it brittle?"

With the bulb generating heat the problem may go the other way. The filament has to have a low enough temperature melt point to be printable.  That said, there are all kinds of filaments available for printing. So, some may work better with heat than others.  My son has an Ulitmaker 2 Printer. Last time he brought it over he was making stuff with bamboo imbedded in the plastic.

 While I find them intriguing my first impression is that they sure are slow.  It doesn't spit out parts like an injection mold.

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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2015, 06:56:44 PM »
Most of the ones have (spares included) have a small burn spot in them from the door being left open a lot , got a LED light in it now , so it will last longer , but still have the burn spot in it though ???

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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2015, 07:36:22 PM »
Well, I guess it's coming around honestly.

We'll see!
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 05:08:55 PM »
Is it brittle? I tried a 3D printer to make buttons for a system I make at work but they were too brittle to use.

How flexible is it?

This particular material is fairly brittle as you can see the cracks It has developed from about 50 fitments. However, when compared to the originals, it is like butter. The originals crack when looking at the the wrong way. I have to agree that a worse problem is heat. Under normal usage, it wont burn but leaving your car door open a while will make it look like the originals I suspect. The better route is to install an LED replacement bulb like I did. None of my Pintos (or Fiats or Toyotas or cars at all for that mater) have a since incandescent bulb in them. All my cars are LED driven now. Low power consumption and next to no heat when compared with the standard bulb; heat is the reason the dash housing sockets disintegrate. My dome lights are now much brighter than stock. Still, even with a standard bulb, they will never burn if you don't leave your door open over night or sit in the car reading in the dark.
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2015, 12:49:54 AM »
Version 2.0 has arrived! Tested, installed, and dropped on the floor (oops). This version has been installed and removed 20 times from a few dome light enclosures I have. This guy is ready to hit the road!














And let there be light:



These can be purchased on shapeways here:


https://www.shapeways.com/product/MUMKXTFJ9/ford-pinto-and-mustang-ii-standard-dome-light-lens


These will take a month to print and send over to you.[/size]What ever you have heard about 3D printed parts being weak or substandard was only true a decade ago. Very soon, 3D printing will replace most forms of manufacturing. Trust me, I am in the industry and see it already. email me at pintopower@hotmail.com for any questions.

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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2015, 07:45:49 AM »
this is cool - but with a total of $30.00 shipped ?
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2015, 11:22:56 AM »
this is cool - but with a total of $30.00 shipped ?

Eh. I get what you mean, it's a lot for a piece of plastic. But it's not a factory with injection molders pumping them out. It's someone who took the time to fill a need for a part that, from what I understand, is not available new anymore. Seems reasonable to me, in that context.
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2015, 01:42:36 PM »
So true!  And it's the people who take the time to address these needs and fulfill them that will ultimately help perpetuate the old car hobby... and it's the reason that the car hobby is expensive, whether it be classic, exotic, antique, or whatever!


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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2015, 11:09:51 AM »
 ;D just wanted to say THANKS!!!! I have never been able to find a dome lens this easy in my life. Shut up and take my money. already ordered in like 5 seconds after seeing this post. You sir may have single handedly saved my sanity! thanks!

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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2015, 12:27:16 PM »
For the time it'll take to search a junkyard for these if your lucky enough to find a pinto it's worth spending the 30 for a new one

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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2015, 09:13:23 AM »
May I DEFEND Pintocrazed here? I worked for 1.5 years for a plastic injection mold company. Sure, I thought about doing a LOT of different parts until I realized what the costs would be.

I'll tell you what this would take to do an injection mold:
1) A 37 ton press. The mold size would be roughly 10x10, be made of P20 steel, and be built in China.
2) The COST of the mold would be around $5000+. The cost to ship the mold would be about $500.
3) It would take roughly 8 weeks to get this mold done.

OK, now you ship it off to an injection molder. EVERY TIME they load the mold on a machine, your going to pay for a batch of resin, AND a setup charge. Then they'll want to punch out a minimum number so as not to waste their time.

If he sold 100 of these at $30, he still hasn't paid for his mold. It would take 167 of them at $30 JUST to pay for the mold. How about shipping? How about the setup charge?

ANYONE who can make parts at reasonable prices (and this is damn reasonable) should be commended. It's easy to complain about parts cost, but you have to remember:
1) Back in the day they punched out MILLIONS, easily amortizing their tooling costs
2) Tell me there's 167 people who are gonna buy this. I guarantee it won't happen

So Pintocrazed, I CONGRATULATE YOU for making this effort. I'm gonna get one myself. THANK YOU for doing this!!!

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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2015, 12:04:28 PM »
Amen!
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2015, 12:40:13 PM »
May I DEFEND Pintocrazed here? I worked for 1.5 years for a plastic injection mold company. Sure, I thought about doing a LOT of different parts until I realized what the costs would be.

I'll tell you what this would take to do an injection mold:
1) A 37 ton press. The mold size would be roughly 10x10, be made of P20 steel, and be built in China.
2) The COST of the mold would be around $5000+. The cost to ship the mold would be about $500.
3) It would take roughly 8 weeks to get this mold done.

OK, now you ship it off to an injection molder. EVERY TIME they load the mold on a machine, your going to pay for a batch of resin, AND a setup charge. Then they'll want to punch out a minimum number so as not to waste their time.

If he sold 100 of these at $30, he still hasn't paid for his mold. It would take 167 of them at $30 JUST to pay for the mold. How about shipping? How about the setup charge?

ANYONE who can make parts at reasonable prices (and this is damn reasonable) should be commended. It's easy to complain about parts cost, but you have to remember:
1) Back in the day they punched out MILLIONS, easily amortizing their tooling costs
2) Tell me there's 167 people who are gonna buy this. I guarantee it won't happen

So Pintocrazed, I CONGRATULATE YOU for making this effort. I'm gonna get one myself. THANK YOU for doing this!!!

Chris

Yeah! I'm setting up CNC plasma cutters and milling machines here. I gotta tell you, the cost is expensive and I have people who want parts. The design on the CAD/CAM system is expensive and then programming the systems. Just the labor is gonna kill me. Doing custom bike wheels for a shop near me, they will cost around $2,500 each and the billet aluminium alone is like 500 to 800.

It ain't cheap making these parts.
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2015, 12:54:13 PM »
IF ONLY IT WASNT SO EXPENSIVE AND TROUBLE DIANNE COULD MAKE US SOME CUSTOM WHEELS

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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2015, 01:24:42 PM »
IF ONLY IT WASNT SO EXPENSIVE AND TROUBLE DIANNE COULD MAKE US SOME CUSTOM WHEELS

Honestly, if there is a demand for parts in the market for a Pinto, I would make them.
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3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2015, 10:36:55 PM »
Purchased 2 of these lenses and they arrived this week. They look fantastic! Thank you much Alberto! I also have a led replacement bulb to go in the car... Hopefully I can install next week!

They really look good in person!! The price was great too...
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2015, 12:27:52 PM »
Hi everyone. I wanted to give my own quick review of these 3D printed dome lenses. I was thrilled (as above) to see that there was an effort being made to do these. I received mine yesterday, and upon inspection, I was absolutely LESS than thrilled about the quality.

3D printing technology is still really a process that is in infancy. Because if the way it "grows" parts, SMOOTH surfaces are impossible to create. Immediate inspection of my unit revealed not only a VISIBLE (wood/knot-like) grain pattern on it, but running my fingers across it, it was also extremely noticeable.

The only way that this could possibly be "fixed" is to spend some time and several grits of sandpaper and polish to make it smooth, which I will probably NOT do.

I do not fault the company for making an effort but IMHO this is NOT a finished product, and it wasn't worth $30.

You can only choose for yourself. If others got good ones, that's great; mine was pretty bad.

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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2015, 12:54:28 PM »
Do these fit all years/models?
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2015, 11:20:44 PM »
Hi

I would love to print this out on my 3D printer. My light lens is discolored and I've been wanting to replace it.

It would be nice if the STL file was posted somewhere on this site.

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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2015, 08:38:05 AM »
after reading Chris's (popbumper) post i am glad i have not spent my money on this part -
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2015, 07:42:26 AM »
Hi

I would love to print this out on my 3D printer. My light lens is discolored and I've been wanting to replace it.

It would be nice if the STL file was posted somewhere on this site.

I wouldn't post it to be honest. After spending all the time on designing and then coding it to the STL file, it would be kinda hard to do that if it were me. The hours were more than likely a labor of love. But some compensation would be in order.
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2015, 12:12:34 AM »
I understand.


Personally, I enjoy doing things for others. I would post it for free if it's of help to anyone. But, that's just me.


(Please don't thrash me for having a different opinion.)  :-[

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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2015, 07:18:02 AM »
I understand.

Personally, I enjoy doing things for others. I would post it for free if it's of help to anyone. But, that's just me.

(Please don't thrash me for having a different opinion.)  :-[

Sure you would. Is that your Ferrari in your garage? Why not pay the $30.00 instead of looking for it for free? It's not just a different opinion Sir, it means you see no value in the time the person spend in putting it together. You see that as nothing more than something to amuse yourself to print yourself so you wouldn't have to pay anything except for the amount of plastic used to print to replace your burnt one in your car.

Shame on you. I've run into this many many times in the open source community. Just pay the $30.00 Sir.
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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2015, 08:08:12 PM »
Sure you would. Is that your Ferrari in your garage? Why not pay the $30.00 instead of looking for it for free? It's not just a different opinion Sir, it means you see no value in the time the person spend in putting it together. You see that as nothing more than something to amuse yourself to print yourself so you wouldn't have to pay anything except for the amount of plastic used to print to replace your burnt one in your car.

Shame on you. I've run into this many many times in the open source community. Just pay the $30.00 Sir.

Gotta agree. If you think $30 is too much for a piece of plastic, try looking around a toy store these days. Their not giving away barbie blueprints these days either. The guy went to the trouble of ACTUALLY DOING the leg work to make this piece, when nobody else did. And for just the price of a burger and a few drinks, you can own one without having to design it yourself, and print it yourself (how many times do you think it took till it was right?). I find that the fact that this is even a topic of discussion, is pretty lame.
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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2015, 02:23:09 AM »
Gotta agree. If you think $30 is too much for a piece of plastic, try looking around a toy store these days. Their not giving away barbie blueprints these days either. The guy went to the trouble of ACTUALLY DOING the leg work to make this piece, when nobody else did. And for just the price of a burger and a few drinks, you can own one without having to design it yourself, and print it yourself (how many times do you think it took till it was right?). I find that the fact that this is even a topic of discussion, is pretty lame.

Yeah, my thoughts! If I needed one, I'd buy it! I don't though. The problem of the lines is an issue, but it would be better than on with a big burn in it or none at all. You could always get sandpaper and wet sand it I guess.

Good job for making the part!
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2015, 03:03:28 AM »
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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2015, 06:21:48 AM »
I see, the one with the Ferrari since his post is gone. Is that a bad thing Dwayne?

You have Art who is not returning due to a member who continues to hammer and badger with comments. Kevin wanted something free, I don't think my comments were off base, now were they? And I believe I was nice in those as were everyone else.

I can leave if you feel I am a problem here and delete my membership. There must be some reason you posted that he deleted his account.

I would like to wait, if you do, until I get the 2.3 in my Pinto.

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Re: 3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2015, 11:25:16 AM »
I see, the one with the Ferrari since his post is gone. Is that a bad thing Dwayne?

You have Art who is not returning due to a member who continues to hammer and badger with comments. Kevin wanted something free, I don't think my comments were off base, now were they? And I believe I was nice in those as were everyone else.

I can leave if you feel I am a problem here and delete my membership. There must be some reason you posted that he deleted his account.

I would like to wait, if you do, until I get the 2.3 in my Pinto.

Dianne

Dianne,
 There are many people of different opinions and Bias (Myself included) , and some people just have the inability to proofread their comments and fire away with blazin hot keystrokes. I personally have taken the time to correct myself and (in a PM) Tto caution others on the tone of an exchange . It's true that car clubs can bring out the Zeal and the Jaded nature of it's members. In the over 10 years with this club, and similar venues, I've given my dentist fits about my grinding of the teeth for many different reasons . 
 A diplomatic approach when taken to the same theme over and over again, makes you want to "METAPHORICALLY, NUKE 'EM".  It's not the answer, and never will be, as I've learned. You have done no such thing, and those who have (you know who you are) will be eventually ignored.
 Now that I've exhausted my prototype Moderator status, I'll go back to writing Politically Incorrect Sci Fi car pulp, and tend to my imaginary Bar. Those voices in my subconscious are kickin the door in AGAIN! ;D
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