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302 motor mounting
« on: September 12, 2011, 03:39:21 PM »
motor plate or motor mounts better idea? and solid or rubber mount on trans? im putting a 302 and toploader in my wagon. would an 8.8 rear work out of a ranger? its the right width, wondering about strength. also wondering what and where to get an oil pan

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Re: 302 motor mounting
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2011, 05:14:56 PM »
If you plan to drive it more than 500 miles a year use all rubber or urethane mounts. Less than 500 & lots of dragstrip duty then go plates & solid mounts. On a trip over an hour the solid mounting will drive you insane. Same goes for solid suspension bushings & heim joints.
 
 
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2011, 07:21:01 PM »
I have the driver side MII motor mount for sale on ebay or I could end it now. It has been rebuilt with the polyurethane insulator so it will never have to be replaced. Don
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2011, 09:25:48 PM »
which way is easier? the motor mounts or motor plate and figure out how to mount it through rubber mounts

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2011, 09:50:07 AM »
The MII mounts are a simple bolt on. No major work needed.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2011, 01:24:37 PM »
any issues with exhaust doing it that way?

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2011, 09:01:52 PM »
never seen arms like that before... interesting. does anyone have the hooker header or hedman header link to the kits that are supposed to be out there, i cant find them. and any info on oil pans would be awesome, trying to gather parts so i can do it over christmas break (damn college schedules)

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2011, 09:10:00 PM »
i finally got my motor, 302 out of a 73 mustang, got my transmission, toploader 4 speed out of a 68 mustang, and my limited slip 8.8 out of a 88 ranger. think all i need is the oil pan and pickup, and motor mount style.

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2011, 12:49:08 PM »
would the oil pan on the 73 mustang motor work?

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2011, 02:20:40 PM »
gunna need a pan from a Mustang II
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2011, 02:22:20 PM »
well if im not mistaken the mustang pan is also front sump, so what would the difference be?

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2011, 02:49:33 PM »
Mustang II front sump pans are totally different on how its shaped compared to any other front sump. http://www.geocities.ws/frdsford/sidebysidepans1.jpg one on the right is a MustangII pan. Plus the sway bar needs to be removed from a pinto to run the V8.
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2011, 03:26:23 PM »
never heard that before...crap

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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2011, 03:51:06 PM »
wonder why that detail woukld have beewn left out from the people i talked to

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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2011, 04:44:36 PM »
Well maybe they don't have a clue at to what they are doing?......

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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2011, 07:50:17 PM »
never seen arms like that before... interesting.

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2011, 11:05:33 PM »
i even looked at a guys car and he never said anything about the sway bar.. that sucks. and are the arms just to help the torque of the motor?

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2011, 11:09:43 PM »
Most people dont care about removing the sway bar to put a V8 in a pinto since all they are after is going fast in a straight line or looks. 
 
A V8 road race pinto wouldnt be a very good idea and would prolly just end up handling like crap. Thats about the easiest way to put it. If yah wanna go fast its a perfect swap.
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2011, 11:18:07 PM »
so street and mild strip would not be an issue with out it then

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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2011, 11:21:41 PM »
Straight line racing doesn't need a sway bar. The main purpose a sway has is to control body roll when cornering.

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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2011, 11:22:07 PM »
Nope you don't want to run a front sway bar on any car that will be at the strip unless its able to be disconnected. As for driving on the street it wont matter a whole lot unless your trying to keep up with a Porsche or sumthing in the corners anyhow.
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2011, 11:24:47 PM »
well dont think i will have that issue haha, but i didnt know that you didnt want one for the drag strip.

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2011, 11:30:10 PM »
In a drag app you want the front to lift and the rear to hook is the best way to put it.Usually when the front lifts it forces the rear tires to plant themselves and grip the pavement.
 
A rear sway bar can be useful for drag racing along with some sort of traction device and good shocks.
I personally want to run split mono-leaf springs and Cal-Trac traction bars both of which are sold by Calvert Racing.
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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2011, 11:32:29 PM »
i saw that caltrac kit. it looked pretty sweet to me, but my fab skills are better than my "filling someone elses pocket" skills. i wanna build something like that.

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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2011, 11:36:36 PM »
i saw that caltrac kit. it looked pretty sweet to me, but my fab skills are better than my "filling someone elses pocket" skills. i wanna build something like that.

Cal-tracs are easy to build. Heres a how too http://www.hotrodsandhemis.com/Traction.html to help yah build them. Ill prolly build my own too. Just i dont see me trying to build a split-mono leaf spring. lol
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Re: 302 motor mounting
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2011, 11:42:01 PM »
I've been watching this thread since I have plans for a mild V8 in my 78 Sedan when I can find the Mustang II headers and oil pan + pickup.

With the sway bar removed, how bad is the steering? I have a sway bar on the car right now (15/16" from a station wagon), and it made a big difference when cornering compared to how it did without it.

Is there any other bar you can use with the V8 in the car?
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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2011, 11:52:00 PM »
Lo5ts of cars dont runs sway bars they just get more body roll then normal but if you dont drive crazy itll be fine.
 
As for a sway bar that will fit I dont think any will fit its pretty tight in a stock pinto with a 2.3 and the V8 pretty much takes up every inch of space there is.
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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2011, 12:21:36 PM »

Cal-tracs are easy to build. Heres a how too http://www.hotrodsandhemis.com/Traction.html to help yah build them. Ill prolly build my own too. Just i dont see me trying to build a split-mono leaf spring. lol

 
that is an awesome link!

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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2011, 06:44:33 PM »
so where is the cheapest place to buy a mustang 2 oil pan