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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #150 on: August 02, 2014, 07:44:31 PM »
Maybe I can go out to eat for my birthday. Or spend it on Pinto stuff.  ;D
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Spend it on Pinto stuff, probably need to go on a diet anyways, LOL.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #151 on: August 02, 2014, 07:54:01 PM »
  Maybe I can go out to eat for my birthday. Or spend it on Pinto stuff.  ;D

Whichever you decide to do, enjoy!  And, by the way, Happy Birthday!

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #152 on: August 02, 2014, 11:29:50 PM »
Thanks, but it isn't for a couple more days. The fifth. Speaking of fifths, I could really go for one. But I don't drink alky anymore. O'douls is it for me. Well, St. Pauli's Girl has a good N/A. I really wish Heineken did though. I miss that stuff.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #153 on: August 02, 2014, 11:56:50 PM »
Here are the pictures of the damage.  :'(
I do think that it looks like it was fixed more or less properly. But please feel free to give me your opinions. I am most definitely NOT an expert on that stuff.

I guess one good thing about the location is that the 2.3L mounts will bridge it. There is a gap though where one of the upper mounting bolts should be. I am going to have to pull that tire and take a look from the outside. I am thinking about getting a piece of plate steel  to put on the outside of the frame, and run the bolts for the mount thru it to sandwich it a bit more, if that wasn't done already.
Plus, then I can check that aluminum rim to see if it fits the Pinto. I wish I had 4 of those, I like that style. Had them on my 69 Mustang in high school, and my 70 GTO in college.  ;D That style is second only to the original Centerline style from the 70s to me. And depending on my mood it can be first somedays. Got to be deep dish on the rear though.  ;D
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #154 on: August 02, 2014, 11:58:47 PM »
and here are a couple of pictures of an empty engine compartment, and the engine out of it's cave.
I do have a tarp to put over the engine. Just need to dig it out. And it is only about 10 sizes too big, I had bought it to cover the Lemans before I was able to garage it back in Ohio.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #155 on: August 03, 2014, 04:56:59 AM »
Russ, step away from the Pinto.  :P

I can't help it. I need a 12 step program.

I took the fenders off tonight. BTW, thanks for nothing Ford, nowhere in the body manual does it show how to remove them.  >:( Everything else yes. Down to the littlest piece of trim, but no fenders.

Anyway, I wanted to see just how bad the damage was on the driver's side. yes, it is on both sides of the frame. I guess worrying about it is worthless. It looks reasonably well done. I hadn't noticed before that the radiator support has been repaired, about 2/3's of the way  towards the passenger side. Guess that was why I hadn't seen any repairs to it near the driver's side.

So having taken off the driver's fender I figured why stop now? I had wanted to take the passenger side fender off to route the starter cable a different way but had decided not to at the time. But being in the mood now I went ahead. I found some damage that I had noticed before, but I hadn't really seen how much there was.  :(

 Under the battery tray and behind the spot welded support piece ( or whatever it is called) there is corrosion damage to the fender well from battery acid. Where it "L's" from vertical to horizontal. So now I guess I finally get to use the spot weld cutter I bought years ago to take that panel off, and then I'll probably have to cut out a section of the fender well and try to make a patch panel. You would think that someone would sell those.  :-\

The fenders themselves seem to be in pretty good shape. I just need to find a better storage place for them than what I did tonight.

So I guess the new plan is to remove all the wiring I just did, along with pretty much everything else that is attached to the firewall or fender wells. Then go to town on the metal, cleaning and repairing. Then paint it. I guess it will be the somewhat normal semi gloss black. I'd rather do body color, but painting the car is probably years away yet and I don't even have a clue about what color. Then reattach and reroute everything. I am hoping that this shouldn't take more than a few weeks, if I can get a cheap welder and learn how to use it. I really don't want the car stripped like this for very long, and I for sure don't want to have to redo it properly later just because I got in a rush now.  :(

The good thing about all this is that my $500 Pinto is actually in better shape than the $3000 Lemans I bought in Ohio. I just didn't know how bad that one really was until getting into it. I just wish I had the kind of money that I had when I was doing the Lemans. I hate having to scrimp and make do.  ;D And I can't do a frame off on the Pinto. It doesn't have a frame! ;D ;D ;D

Anyone know what this bracket is in the first picture? I am guessing starter solenoid.
And shouldn't there be a grommet on the mirror cable in the second?

Thanks,
Russ
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #156 on: August 03, 2014, 05:01:09 AM »
more pictures.
That brown stuff in picture 1 and 4 is dirt.
Very temporary fender storage in picture 3.
Picture 2 is the corrosion damage.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #157 on: August 03, 2014, 05:04:27 AM »
And more pictures.

I took picture 4 because I thought I was missing most of the wheelwell. I guess these didn't have full ones?
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #158 on: August 03, 2014, 05:06:47 AM »
Last of the pictures for tonight.

These are all from the backside/outer driver's side showing the damage/repair. I wish whoever did this had taken more time with the fenderwell. Oh, well.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #159 on: August 03, 2014, 06:58:32 AM »
Something serious happened to the front of that car, for a frame rail to brake off in front of the cross member.
Cannot help but wonder how far the damage goes backwards.
Also wonder if it will ever drive properly again.
Cross member may well be knocked out of alignment.
Check the lower fire wall / floor area for un-natural bends / wrinkles, where the frame rails attach.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #160 on: August 03, 2014, 07:37:13 AM »
Wow, wonder what happened with that, I'd be looking at that very closely and doing some measuring, doubt very much that it handled well probably ate up tires too..
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #161 on: August 03, 2014, 02:26:26 PM »
Everything to the rear of it "seems" ok as far as I can tell. No obvious signs of wrinkled metal other than the fender well right at the point of damage, the doors open and close normally, the fender fit well, the bumper was on straight without excessive spacers.
 
As far as measuring it goes, about all I could do would be from the firewall forward. One of the pains of working by yourself, you can only do what you can reach.

I just seem to have this knack of finding cars that have hidden or at least not obvious serious issues. My wife hates when I say this, but I have my own personal black cloud.

At this point all I can really do is move forward I guess and see what happens once it is on the road, if I ever get that far.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #162 on: August 03, 2014, 02:36:52 PM »
Oh, this did make my engine decision for me. I will be keeping the 2.3. No way would I put a V8 in this car at this point.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #163 on: August 03, 2014, 05:05:45 PM »
I took a couple of quick unscientific measurements and things seem good.
I looked at the manual and found a few other measurements I can try to take.
but for the most part I think I am going to bury my head in the sand on this one. Emotionally I just can't deal with the thought of having bought another piece of c r a p right now.
Worst case scenario is that I build the car and end up having to remove everything down the road and try to find another. I'm just going to try to enjoy working on this one for now.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #164 on: August 03, 2014, 09:50:35 PM »
Sounds like you lucked out, as long as everything back is ok no wrinkles anywhere and the doors fit you should be good, front shouldn't be too hard to straighten if needed..
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #165 on: August 03, 2014, 10:44:28 PM »
I'm just going to try to enjoy working on this one for now.

Russ,

For what it's worth, I think you've got the right idea on this!  Hang in there, Buddy!

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #166 on: August 04, 2014, 12:44:37 AM »
Thanks.

I took another measurement based more or less on one from the manual. It seems really close. Within an eigth or less as far as I can tell, but again these are just me and an old tape measure. It is hard for me at least to make sure I am doing it exactly the same going from side to side.
All I can really do at this point is carry on and see what happens down the road. Literally.  ;D

I wish I had some history of this car, but I don't. It could have been driven like this for 20 years. Or not.  :-\ The tires that are on it don't show any signs of uneven wear, but again I don't know if they were driven on or not. All I know about it is that at some point in the '90's it was still being insured.  :-\

On a possibly brighter moment, I got some birthday cash from my parents  ;D and I am going in the morning to look at a welder. Still the HF brand, but I think that is what I need at the moment. Nothing fancy until I get some skills at welding. Or if I just flat can't do it I won't be out too much. $125 for the welder, an auto darkening helmet, and some extra tips and wire. The wire I won't use, I do know better than to use HF wire.  ;D Although Lincoln wire that has been sitting around for who knows how long at Home Depot might not be a whole lot better. But everything I have heard about the HF flux core wire says to avoid it. I'll have to buy some gloves and stuff. All stuff I had in Ohio and got rid of, again.  :( Seems to be an ongoing trend with me.

I didn't get anything done to the car today other than those measurements. Had to go to my parent's for my birthday dinner, they will be out of town Tuesday. When we got home I was just exhausted for some reason. So I veg'ed out on the couch. Now I am feeling like doing something, but what I am ready to do is too noisy for this time of night.
Besides, I have to get up at the unholy hour of 8:30am to go look at the welder.  ;D
And then we have to go to the DMV and get the Subaru registered here, and I need to get an AZ license finally.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #167 on: August 04, 2014, 07:30:26 AM »
I have to get up at the unholy hour of 8:30am
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

BTW, Happy B-Day and many more to come..

                               
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #168 on: August 04, 2014, 09:17:33 PM »
Thanks.

Been out trying out the new to me welder. Boy have I got a lot of practicing ahead of me.
But I now know how to change out the spool of wire. There wasn't a whole lot left on the roll it had installed. It came with another roll, but 035 instead of 030. Looked up the manual online, pretty simple operation even for me. So far it looks like I am a puller vs a pusher. Had to stop, the duty cycle on this is only 20%. Silly me thinking I would be welding on the car tonight. Probably not this week. Plan on using up this 2 lb roll practicing, but when it is gone I may not be able to get anymore for a while. Have to see how expensive the good stuff is.  And I also know how to read the setup guide. When I started I just left it the way the seller had it, but turns out he was doing thicker stuff and the wire speed was way too fast for 16 gauge metal.
I need to get some leather sleeves or some long sleeved cotton shirts. Probably go with sleeves. I have gloves and an apron(that doesn't have long enough ties for a fat person like me) but that is leaving bare skin on my arms and I am feeling it.
I need to learn to go slower. I was blowing thru the metal before I reset the speed, and now I need to stay in one spot longer to get the puddle going, but I keep wanting to rush it and that doesn't work. I tend to want to rush everything. Trying to focus on keeping a constant distance going as well, I tend to roller coaster my holding hand.

I am now officially back to being an AZ resident. Got the Subaru registered and my AZ driver's license today. Well, the temp license. They now mail the real license. Seems like a really good way to have ID theft to me, but I am not a gov't official.

Well, back out to burning wire. ouch ouch ouch.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #169 on: August 05, 2014, 06:46:43 AM »
Mine came with flux core. Hated it. Quickly converted to gas. Love it now.
I have a 10 lb spool of flux core I'll never use. Too bad shipping to you would be too much....

Wear long sleeves & closed to the neck. You can burn quick & bad.

I too have the auto darken lenses. Was welding under the dash of Ugly Yellow & was blocking the sensor & it wouldn't darken.....til l I figured out what was going on.
Watch for that. Flash burn your eyes & it will feel like someone wire brushed your eyes.

I was stick welding as a kid. Worked for Dad's heavy const. co.
Likely burned a million (or more) lbs of rod !

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #170 on: August 05, 2014, 10:14:49 AM »
Congratulation s on the welder!  Take your time and I'm sure you'll develop a technique that works just right for you and what you want to do with it.  Also...




       HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!





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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #171 on: August 05, 2014, 05:58:48 PM »
thanks. ;D
I am now what used to be the national speed limit.  :-X

I got a battery for the Pinto to test out the electrical. Problem is that it cost me $155. Went and got the oil changed on the Subaru and they suggested I keep an eye out on the battery, it was starting to get weak. So figuring that I had better do it while I had the money( my brother is ok with taking it out of the rent.  :-[ ) I went ahead and got one. Man those things have gone up in price since the last time I had to buy one! :(

I kept the old one, I know it still works. For a $5 core charge that was a no-brainer. A used one around here would have cost around $40 since they all charge the core charge and I didn't have one to trade in. Got this one at Pepboys. Bosch with a 3 year full replacement, and then 5 more years prorated. I was going to get one at Autozone, but they couldn't install it until later on today. Glad I didn't, got the same warranty and a cheaper core charge (they wanted $15) for about $15 less. The battery in the Subaru was the factory original, made by Panasonic. After 4+ years I guess it did good.  :)

I also got some Lincoln wire at Home Depot. $12.99 for what most places online charge over $18 for, and no shipping. Just one pound of the .030 wire. But I figure it is worth it to see if that improves my welding at all. Problem is I am so wore out I won't be doing any welding today.  :-[

I also got a basic set of gauges: volt, oil, water temp. Mechanical. Used, got them for $15. I shouldn't have gotten them, but I couldn't resist that price. Guy was just using them while he setup the car, then he went with higher end ones. But they are just what I had planned on using, so a good deal for me.  8)

I think it is nap time.  ;D

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #172 on: August 05, 2014, 07:13:19 PM »
off topic a little I have a 05 ram with the oringal battery still going strong. good luck on project and happy birthday.  chris
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #173 on: August 05, 2014, 09:15:11 PM »
Thanks.

Being where it is 115 or so everyday seems to kill batteries. So better to be safe than sorry.
It's getting to the time where I am going to have to  start spending money on the Subaru. Over 93000 miles. We've put about 91000 of those on it in 3.5 years. Original everything except for the battery and tires now. One of my license plate lights is out it seems. I know it could use brakes, they are a little softer than they used to be. Stuff like that. I've got to get a manual for it soon I suppose.  Can't let it start falling apart on me, too many more payments to go.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #174 on: August 06, 2014, 03:27:34 AM »
I've got headlights, taillights, dash lights and some emergency flashers-although the switch is really touchy.
Got some bad bulbs. Not too surprising.

No turn signals. I don't know if there is a different flasher for just those or if it is something in the steering column.

Didn't get to try the horn tonight, will have to wait for daytime on that one.

Stop light switch is still disconnected, so I haven't been able to check those.

I might have to see if the starter that was in the back of the car works, and if so hook it up to the starter cable and see if that circuit works. Not much else I can test right now. Heater is out of the car, and so is the radio. Both of which I have no clue if they work or not anyway. But it seems at least that the engine compartment wiring that I modified is working.

I suppose I could check at the fuses and see if that part of the circuit is working.

And no fires. That is a good thing.  ;D

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RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #175 on: August 06, 2014, 04:23:45 AM »
Test the ground wires. Likely your problem.

I have a deep cycle battery for my electric trolling motor I bought in the mid 80s. Still going strong.
On the other hand....the 07 truck I had the batteries only lasted 4 years.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #176 on: August 09, 2014, 12:02:02 AM »
Slight update. I honestly haven't felt like leaving the house the last few days. The depression is winning. Just took a while. Having a birthday in the middle of all the c r a p that is going on just magnified how much of a failure I am feeling like.
I did check the horn. It works, and is extremely loud. Maybe too loud.
I have been looking online at stuff. I have a wish list at Speedway approaching $2000. I'll never see most of that stuff.
I was thinking of changing the tail lights, they have some neat ones for older cars. Then I remembered I have a wagon and the tail light is totally different than the one I had on the 79. So much for that idea.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #177 on: August 09, 2014, 01:11:11 AM »
Depression around birthdays and holidays is not uncommon.  Hang in there, Russ!  We have faith in you!
 
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #178 on: August 09, 2014, 07:57:51 AM »
Hang in there, Russ!  We have faith in you!
 
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #179 on: August 09, 2014, 06:30:43 PM »
For sure, better days are coming....



Thanks, but sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel IS a train.  ::)
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RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

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