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2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« on: July 02, 2014, 05:55:44 PM »
OK, take two. first attempt didn't work.

I just got my new to me Pinto.
$500 and right now I am wishing I hadn't of bought it. But I will explain that later.

It is pretty complete, but the seller had told me they had the transmission in their shop and it turns out they don't. Didn't find this out until after the car was delivered. Called the guy to ask where it was and he just said he made a mistake, thought they had it but didn't. No apology, no offer to give me any money back. This will put a big kink in my plans. Transmission is not in the budget.

Needs entire interior. Been sitting in the Phoenix sun for too long. I knew that of course. Dash stuff is all there I think, between what is in the back of the car and still attached. Rear seat doesn't look horrible, probably not used much.

Engine. According to the vin, should have been a 2.0. It's a 2.3 that hasn't been completely converted. Missing the passenger side frame mount, and I don't know if the driver's side is 2.0 or 2.3. The car has been converted to electronic ignition. Ford, not aftermarket. I don't know if that was finished or not yet, need to pop the distributor cap to see. But I imagine they did it when they put this engine in. No carb. At least I didn't see one anywhere, but I wasn't looking for one.
Being a 2.3 is actually a good thing I think. Seems there are still lots of parts available for those.  But again, just another surprise.

Body. Here is the bad news. I had thought it was untouched. On closer look I could see that the driver's fender was replaced. It has primer on it, blended in with the rest of the body. However, there is a huge split on the driver's side inner fender well(doghouse) just above where the engine frame mount attaches. Probably 3 inches in length. That I can see that is. Could be more hidden.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I was so concerned about rust I didn't even think about something like this.  :-[

I had more to add, but since I lost the first post attempt I will do that later on.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2014, 07:02:24 PM »
Might not be too bad. You'll know when you get that fender off I guess and look.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2014, 07:29:05 PM »
yeah, but that wasn't really part of my plans. Main problem with this is I am not a welder.

I haven't shown that to my wife yet. I have a bad history of buying cars with hidden problems and don't need an "I told you so" right now. She is already upset about the lack of a transmission. I mean so am I, but she doesn't understand that I can't just go back to the seller and say I want my money back.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2014, 07:33:35 PM »
Let's see if I can add more pictures. Been having a problem with resizing them. I think I got that fixed this time.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2014, 07:35:30 PM »
goody, that worked. 8)
here are some more.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2014, 07:51:36 PM »
and more. I have about 20 total for now.
If I duplicate any I apologize.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2014, 07:53:24 PM »
more.
BTW, what would have been attached to the top of the hatch/gate where the screw holes are in the first two pictures?
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2014, 07:55:53 PM »
and  the last for now.

Oh, I checked and I do have an electronic distributor. So far I am about breaking even on what I was going to add but already have and what I didn't want to have to do but will.  :-\

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2014, 08:55:40 PM »
have the perfect seats for that wagon - deluxe olive two tone seats in great shape!! but they are in Omaha Nebraska!
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2014, 09:46:25 PM »
Thanks, but right now I don't even know what color it is going to end up being. :-)
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2014, 09:48:11 PM »
got some more pictures.
I hope the mount in the second picture is the one for the passenger side.
and then there is the key that won't come out.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2014, 09:50:22 PM »
more.
headliner, who needs a headliner? ;D
The driver side interior panel has a couple of decent sized holes over the tire. Shouldn't be too hard to fix.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2014, 09:53:28 PM »
yet more. Getting annoying yet? ::)
and then there is this one without a key.
The driver's side pop out window works. Haven't gotten inside the passenger side yet.
 
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2014, 09:56:35 PM »
more, isn't this nut done yet?
the second picture shows even more damage on the inner fender well. This has been welded.

last two show the electronic ignition. will have to look at the wiring later on.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2014, 09:59:55 PM »
this ought to be enough.
hey, nice hood prop.
the battery tray area looks good.
Did aluminum intakes come stock on a Ranger or Mustang with the 2.3? It is a Ford intake for sure, at least it has the Ford name and numbers on it.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2014, 10:12:04 PM »
BTW, what would have been attached to the top of the hatch/gate where the screw holes are in the first two pictures?
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Russ, this is what was on the there..

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2014, 10:14:52 PM »
Did aluminum intakes come stock on a Ranger or Mustang with the 2.3? It is a Ford intake for sure, at least it has the Ford name and numbers on it.
Yes they did, I have one on mine also.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2014, 10:26:15 PM »
Thanks.
Guess that will be something to add to the wanted list.
Just had the car in my possession for what, 5 hours and that list is already longer than I had wanted.
Oh, well. If things went easily I'd have to wonder why. :-)
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2014, 10:28:58 PM »
You gonna change that intake??, may as well go with a lower EFI intake that's what I'm doing.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2014, 11:23:26 PM »
Frankly, I don't have a clue what you are talking about.  :-[ I don't know bleep about these engines. Guess it is time to learn. Most of my engine knowledge is V8 stuff from the muscle car era.
I need a Ford 2.3L engines for Dummies book.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2014, 11:34:01 PM »
I just realized that I need to go back to Summit Racing's site. I looked last night, but had thought the car had the 2.0. Have to see what all they have for a 2.3 now. Might as well fill up my wish list there.
This is something I will really miss. Summit Racing was easily within driving distance for me while I lived in Ohio.  Talking 20 minutes or so. That and the Pinto meet coming up along the Lake Erie coast this summer.  :(
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2014, 11:57:57 PM »
Frankly, I don't have a clue what you are talking about.  :-[ I don't know bleep about these engines. Guess it is time to learn. Most of my engine knowledge is V8 stuff from the muscle car era.
I need a Ford 2.3L engines for Dummies book.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2014, 12:03:27 AM »
Well, I just learned that these things have timing belts!
see, I am really lost.
Oh well, back to the Summit site. See what else I can find out.
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2014, 12:39:35 AM »
Hang in there, Russ!  Parts availability for the 2.3L is definitely better than for the 2.0 so that's a good thing.  It's probably safe to say that the project will take a bit longer and cost a bit more than anticipated, but it will be worth it in the long run.  That's really a shame about the transmission.. . the seller should have discounted for that since he told you it was there!  Pinto parts are relatively inexpensive compared to some cars, so shop carefully and patiently and it will all work out in the end.  Don't forget... lots of folks here have parts available. 
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2014, 01:25:55 AM »
Of course they do. When I don't have the money.  ;D

Yeah, going to take a bit longer than I had hoped, that is for sure.

Now the hard part is going to be finding time  to work on it. I tend to like to do things
around this time of night, but unfortunately the side of the house the Pinto is on is about
10 feet from the neighbor's master bedroom. And they seem to go to bed pretty early. Can't really
do anything noisy. Even dropping a wrench would be bad. Whoever designed this neighborhood did
a lousy job. Should have been driveway to driveway, bedroom to bedroom. Oh well, beggars can't be
choosers.

I am not handling this heat as well as I used to. Maybe I can get used to it again. Have to see what all
I can do without having to lay on the hot concrete. That I probably will never be able to do much of anymore.  :(

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2014, 01:55:26 AM »
The starter shown in earlier pic appears to be an early direct drive one with the bump on the side. You can probably tell which head is on the car by looking inside the intake plenum where the four intake runners begin, if bottom of port is flat then D-port head and '82 and later. Provided some person didn't mismatch intake to head too.

I feel your pain with the heat as well, it's slowing me down from working on things as well. At least I can work at night when I'm motivated enough.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2014, 02:18:11 AM »
Thanks!
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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2014, 06:14:29 AM »
Weird crack in the inner fender.
You will need to have a close look at the frame rail.......


FYI.....it's going to take you tons of time & money to get this car back on the road.
Mine started with a "simple" engine/trans change.......a nd is now in the 3rd year !
I hope for a good / half good year, so the body work can be done this winter........ taking me into the 4th year !

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2014, 02:20:55 PM »
I got a better look at the crack this morning. It LOOKS like it is only the upper sheet metal, not the frame rail itself. The frame mount there isn't completely bolted on, and I could see about an inch behind it, and no sign of any damage. Course there could be some further forward, won't know for sure until I can get that mount off.

I tried to get the passenger door open, no luck. The lock isn't working right, I think there is something bent or maybe disconnected inside the door. I wasn't in the mood to really crawl in the car and mess with it, so other than spraying with WD-40 I just left it for now. And I just noticed that there are no inside door handles. another thing to add to the list.

I gathered up all of my leftover parts from the Lemans project. Universal aluminum radiator, Lincoln MKVII electric radiator fan (which fits perfectly on the radiator) Mad Electrical wiring kit(relays and stuff), old school chrome 3 spoke steering wheel with soft black grip(had this on my other Pinto) and adapter kit, electric fuel pump and canister style filter(both used, not sure if the pump needs rebuilt), steel box trunk mount battery kit(no trunk though. I might use the box in the stock location. not sure right now. Hate to waste it, even on clearance from Summit it was expensive.). Also have a brand new never used dial back timing light from Summit.

The radiator might be overkill, but living in Phoenix I'd rather do that anyway. Will mean having to figure out what size hoses to use, but that isn't a big deal.  Getting one of the sales drones at the parts store to sell it to me might be the hard part.  ::)

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

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Re: 2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2014, 03:52:17 PM »
Well, I finally got up the energy to go look under the car at the rear end. Getting down is hard, getting up is even harder. :-[
Was hoping I would get lucky and it would be an 8inch, but nope, it's the 6.75.
Oh, well, something else to buy later on.
There is one for sale here locally, but the guy wants $150. I could maybe do $20. Not going to make an offer.  ;D

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.
74 Pinto Wagon.  To be or Not to be a Pinchero, that is the question.