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1977 Pinto mod questions
« on: June 23, 2013, 07:32:49 PM »
Ok I have a 77 runabout that has a few upgrades in the future for 1 its getting a 351w bored 30 over & a 408stroker crank ,lunoty hi lift long duration cam. Well now 4 the first q t56 transmission I herd it will not fit y? I'm willing to force feed it.next the77 is a automatic will the brake & clutch peddles out of a 1980 Bobcat? Bolt in I hope .
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2013, 05:54:36 AM »
anything is possible with a welder and a big hammer, i had to cut out some of the front of my trans tunnel and rebuild it in order to use the larger belhousing
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Re: 1977 Pinto mod questions
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 08:28:28 AM »
If you want to do the big W hurm's right. You're gonna need a hammer a welder and a cut off wheel, the 302 is a big squeeze (hood headers etc) now add another inch.  Plus an extra large shoehorn from the special tools isle. trans tunnel issues aside Having done the 408 thing in a stepside f150 I would say proceed with caution. The slightly smaller 392 and the 5 litre variant 331 vs the 347 are often better budget / daily driven engines. most big cube pistons cheat and have the oil control ring intersect the wrist pin hole which will scrub out the rings in 10 or 15k  hone it and ring it and away you go but still. Or make sure the pistons don't have this "feature" What heads are you gonna do? it takes at least afr 205's to really do it justice I think. what are your plans for the back half of the car? cage, tubs ,slicks, ladders, irs? That is a lot of low rpm torque to hook up on 94 inches of wheelbase. I don't recall if you have mentioned the above before.

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Re: 1977 Pinto mod questions
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 06:24:34 PM »
Big trans tunnel mods.
If I remember right, even a 69 - 70 Mustang needs the tunnel hogged out.

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 08:09:26 PM »
maybe this will help

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Re: 1977 Pinto mod questions
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2013, 05:58:24 AM »
Looks like lots a mods for the 56.

However, a T-5 can be made plenty strong enough : http://www.pro-forceperformance.com/astro_a-5.htm

A T-5 fits into a 72 , so will fit even better into the 74/75 and up cars.

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Cutting some extra out for the left head - will be able to move an engine back 3/4" to 1" extra. Doing this due to the aluminum 351w I want to get in the future.

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2013, 09:05:55 PM »
Yes thanks to all picks of traney thanks !! Looking 4 A v6 car speedometer I have $???? & Did the v6 model cars have 5 lug or 4? Because I have Chilton & Hans shop manuals & thay both have 5 lug Rogers pictures in them??
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2013, 09:09:34 PM »
5 lug roters
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2013, 09:30:51 PM »
6 Speed manual not 5 speed yes t5 is good but it only has 5 gers.
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Re: 1977 Pinto mod questions
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2013, 02:41:19 AM »
extra gear count doesn't matter. in a 6 box 5 and 6 are both overdrive, it just means they give it a .83 and a .74 or .63 top gear so you can daily drive some steep rear ratios and still get decent mpg.  Modern motors don't get great gas mileage but modern trannies do  for the amount of hacking and shoe horning if beefy is a concern go t5 magnum or tko600. the extra gears just make your arm sore and at 2200 lbs with a 408 you can still run a .6x final as the big gap between 4 and 5 can be overcome with brute force and ignorance..
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 08:32:46 PM »
IRS is also out of the pic 2 many problems first installation & then the cast & camber issues with the wait of the car on it sages no saging with 9" better
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2013, 01:32:06 PM »
Yes the break and clutch bolted right in no drilling!! So happy. Looks funny car still a automatic transmission with 3 petals lol. Just got my new aluminum Edelbrock victor Jr. 60cc heads $$$$. And the car has a air dam with minimal modification! It also now has a full glass hatch with all the trimmings for rer defrost,now has a 3 bow steering wheel the rally wheel instead of the 2 bow,and new back seat buckets the seat was 1 piece now2 separate with a piece of carpet over the drive shaft hump looking better. I love it when a car gets factory up grades!!
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2013, 03:14:16 PM »
Ok got another question. So you've heard that I'm doing a hatch swap from the par shill metal to a full glass. Will I need to change the rubber? It looks the same but looks can be deceiving!!
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 08:38:18 PM »
Looking at post higher up............ ..........no way would I ever say a Muncie aluminum case trans would handle 700 ft.lbs. We routinely exploded them with even fairly stock big block 454s, and race versions (Liberty, Doug Nash) custom set up to take the power. You will start losing them around 650 HP like they are made of toothpicks if you ever get good bite at the tires.

I could and did break rock crushers with 375 HP 396 in big Chevelle...... ........whoeve r spread the word about Muncie is full of it, back then ('70s) they were considered weak.......... .............

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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2013, 07:04:33 AM »
Don't need a big block to break em, I remember a friend buying a new Camaro, he broke three of them under warranty within 5 months, after the 3rd one they told him not to come back, lol..
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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2013, 01:53:51 AM »
Yes I don't remember whatever website I seen that 700ft ot tourk thing you guys are grate so what manual transmission you all think I should put behind my 500+hp Windsor 5.8letor 30 over bore & a 408 Stroker crank ??
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2013, 07:12:24 AM »
Well, I doubt you'd ever break this with a small block.
http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-5.asp

Friend of mine put one of these in his car, was overkill but man it sure was a blast to drive.. lol..
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2013, 05:33:47 PM »
Id run a Doug Nash or now a-days Richmond 4+1 trans they make 2 versions street and race. Race is none synchroed and street isn't. Both are tough trannys pretty much only thing gunna be better is Lenco.

They usually have a lower first gear and 1.1 5th gear so highway rear gears can be used and still have tons of performance. They can even be converted to clutchless if yah ever want to go full bore drag car later on.
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2013, 06:21:24 PM »
Yep, the Richmond is a good piece too.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2014, 12:55:25 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2014, 02:17:29 PM »
I tried to swap out the 80mph speedometer to the older 110mph speedometer and the white plastic that holds all the lights and gauges in place just fell apart like Lagos toys when you play with them lol. My car is now going to get the Dakota Digital dash more $$.
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2015, 01:37:12 PM »
Is there some one out there that can give me a personal review of the Dakota digital dash? Good,bad,ugly, bad butt,crap???
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2015, 02:16:34 PM »
I find it hard to believe that no one has the Dakota digital dash in there car. I'm looking 4 someone that can say good bad about the dash please!! Help me in the decision. Keep trying to install old mechanical stuff or go Dige?????????
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2015, 06:06:18 AM »
I personally like analog gauges, like above.  Below is one version of digital gauges in a Pinto dash, not sure if they are Dakota brand.  I believe the photo was from a ebay 73 Pinto with a SEFI V8.
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Hmmm, I really like this deal.. 8) 8)

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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2015, 08:09:21 PM »
Ok got another question. So you've heard that I'm doing a hatch swap from the par shill metal to a full glass. Will I need to change the rubber? It looks the same but looks can be deceiving!!

The hatch weatherstrippi ng is different between the all glass hatch and the regular metal hatch.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2015, 03:05:53 PM »
Grate thanks all!! And yes you need the correct rubber I had a doner car  I just used its rubber.
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2015, 08:48:40 PM »
Oooo New windshield installed rained hard after no leaks sweet!! And the 408w is almost complete crank,cam,pistons & rods,oil pump &pan all in place getting excited!!!
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