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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2013, 11:21:54 PM »
Sorry for asking so many questions, but I found a rather unreliable looking website list the hedman hussler collector diameters at 3.5" for my application.
Can anyone confirm that?

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2013, 05:07:54 AM »
Sounds right for the 351c collectors. Tubes are likely 1-7/8" or 2".
But Headman no longer makes them. They required front mounts for the engine.

Used set of what you may have ? For 351c & BOSS 302.




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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2013, 09:43:34 PM »
I do believe my engine is moved forward, actually i'm pretty damn positive it is. But i'm also pretty sure that my collectors are not flat. The collector is also huge. Probably 3.5". Bigger than 3" for sure.

Just trying to piece things together. When I get home in a few weeks I'm going to double check all my guess-timating before ordering wheels, tires, mufflers, and cutouts.

What do most guys run for performance tires? I'm having a hell of a time finding wheels and tire combos that fit both rear and front

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2013, 12:20:52 AM »
No tubs on your car ?
Before working out your tires/rims, you need to know the width of the diff.
Contact a good tire shop & they should be able to help you out.
You'll need a bunch of measurements.

You may have custom headers.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2013, 10:01:25 PM »
So I got the car back today.

+1 to the asshat who "wired" this car. Other than doing shotty work everywhere they touched, they also decided to make red battery lead ground and the black battery lead power. Of course by the time I figured it out I had cooked the alternator. Wasted 3 hours or so replacing the alt.

It was a 60 mile drive home. Rides at about 2600rpm at 55-60mph. Oil pressure at ~55 psi and temp at 180. Wrote up myself a big list of things to do. Including replacing the rotting fuel lines. With the leak it took be about 5 gallons to do the 60 mile trip.

I gotta get to bed! I got work to do! :)

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2013, 11:34:41 AM »
So it's supposed to rain all day. Fantastic.
Managed to figure out the exhaust out of the collectors is 3" and the collectors are indeed flat.
The intake is an offenhauser.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2013, 07:17:21 PM »
Pictures !  ;D

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2013, 10:53:33 PM »
Soon Soon! I also paid more attention and realized my exhaust is bigger than 3" out of the collector (probably 3.5") and is then cut down right at the collector to 3".

I bought some wire today with the hope of fixing some of the dangerous looking wiring under the hood.
Tomorrow i'll upload more pics of the car as well as pics of the front valence and hood I have purchased!

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2013, 05:23:53 PM »
First, the beautiful job someone did with the battery lead (note the wire color  ??? )


ahhhh much better now :)



Here are my "motor mounts"



Some sort of Holley Carb



Back side of the passenger side of the engine compartment



Front side. Showing the brand new alernator I bought....



I wonder where this is supposed to go......


And that black wire...


275's on the rear





Uniform dent on both pipes?




Lift bars



She takes on a little water...

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2013, 05:37:51 PM »
Them aint dents,thats where the tubing bender shoes
collapsed the pipe while bending.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2013, 10:23:40 PM »
Yes i figured it had something to do with the bending process.

Used these nifty rubber isolation mounts for my fuel pump (pics tomorrow). hopefully it stops the horrrrrrrrrrrr ible ruckus that it used to make. Something is also draining the battery with key power off (imagine that!!!) so I get to chase that rabbit soon; yayyyy.

It snowed today :| I was quite unamused but I worked in it regardless. Replaced two wires under the hood that had sections that were melted and had bare wire exposed. I'll be testing them tomorrow to see if they are a short. Could also explain the battery draining if they are indeed key-off power.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2013, 10:27:22 PM »
Oh I almost forgot! The carb is not a holley carb. It is an AED race carb.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2013, 10:06:27 AM »
Get the battery tested before chasing a drain that may not exist. 9 out of 10 times the battery is junk.
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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2013, 12:09:38 PM »
Your wiring is fine compared to the V8 Ranger I got in a trade.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2013, 09:48:00 AM »
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Get the battery tested before chasing a drain that may not exist. 9 out of 10 times the battery is junk.

Yeah I did. Well, actually, I went to get a new one and have the store dispose of this one because it seeps when it charges,  But they wouldn't take it because they tested it and they said it was good to go.

Also, I replaced two sections of wires in the car where the jacket had melted and there was just exposed wire. Now I go to hit the switch that should activate the starter and I get nothing. One of the wires I know I did correctly because it was the same color through and through and I just replaced a small section. I also replaced a ground wire but made the mistake of cutting the wire first and then going in the garage to make the wire with the ring terminal on the end. Got back out to the car and saw TWO cut black wires waiting for me to connect my new piece to. I connected it to the one I could have sworn I cut, but evidently I didn't. So today I have to fix that. I freed the entire harness and also found several more wires that had melted jackets on it that needed replacement. I think I'll just re-do the whole wiring. Shouldn't take me more than two days (i hope, cause i leave in three!). It's something I've done before and something that I think needs to be done so i figured why not? It would really look better too. There are so many dead wires from everything that's been removed from the car.

And it's actually blue skies today! YAY! No more working in snow.
Oh, my solid rubber isolation mounts for the fuel pump didn't work at all. I really thought they would because they did before. I'm starting to wonder if it's not the fuel pump that's making the noise but one of the hard fuel lines attached to the fuel pump vibrating on the body of the car. That also has to be fixed. It's so loud.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2013, 10:19:13 PM »
Okay, so maybe I got a little ahead of myself ;)
After ripping up the old harness I figured only a few wires here and there needed to be removed/replaced so that's all I did. Figured out the starter had absolutely nothing to do with what I was monkey-ing with but was actually just remote wire on the solenoid switch for the starter had a crappy connection and my pulling on the harness loosened it enough to get it to loosen up.

So I fixed a few wires, put a new power wire lead on the distributor because the old one was barely even on the terminal and was all hacked up, and I also redid the battery ground to beefier wire (pics tomorrow!).

I really want to put the rear valence on the car but i don't see much point if I'm going to have to continue to mess with the fuel pump/fuel lines the quiet the vibration I'm getting. I'm thinking of just replacing all the hard fuel lines with rubber compound ones to see if that takes care of the rattle. Some of the fuel line is rotten so a section has to be replaced anyways.

I also need to redo the alternator lead because it's somewhere around a 12awg wire trying to carry a claimed 75 amps. Actually. Come to think of it. I spent all that time under the hood and I have no clue how the hell the alternator is charging the battery with the current wiring setup. Whatever, i'll figure it out tomorrow.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2013, 09:02:02 PM »
Sounds like you need to find out why the outer coating melted in the first place. You may need to re-route the way they run.
I do not like splicing wires. The splices can cause problems. Best (if you can) replace the whole wire.
If it has shorted out the whole wire will have heat damage.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2013, 05:49:39 PM »
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Sounds like you need to find out why the outer coating melted in the first place

I'm guessing heat from the motor working on 41 year old jackets did it. I see no other logical explanation for why these small sections of the wires had melted jackets as opposed to the whole wire. Their location in relation to the headers also kinda made sense. The wires are all (now) as far away as the motor as they can be while still being in the engine bay. I removed as many pointless wires as I could, but alot of them ran behind the steering column into the fusebox and I couldn't even jimmy my way down there (pretty small guy), So i left them in case I get the motivation to do so and figure out what I do/don't need.

I'm not too worried about my splices to be honest. They are male/female spade terminals with the wires crimped and soldered into the terminals and then the two terminals soldered together as well. Then covered in shrink tube. I do understand that it would be best to replace the whole wire, but it would also take 20x the work. If I have a problem with the splice (ended up only using one because the 2nd I did I later found out was useless), then I will re-run the whole wire. It's not something extremely important. I think it's either a headlight or a turn signal.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2013, 10:41:38 PM »
Found a bumber without the holes for the guards on ebay. Awaiting to hear back from the seller to see if I'm going to jump on it.

Spending some time researching/reading concerning getting what I want out of the cleveland. Which is ~400 and ~400 at the crank somewhere before 5k rpm.

Mostly school is kicking my butt. 4 weeks left, 8 exams, two reports, two papers. Also trying to prep myself for my internship at Ford as well. I'm a busy, busy kid. 

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2013, 03:46:13 PM »
Here's a picture of the solid rubber mounted fuel pump

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2013, 08:29:29 PM »
These are what I am changing to.

http://www.holley.com/12-700.asp

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2013, 10:00:36 PM »
Woah. That's different. I'm going to try fixing the rattle some more before I go out and replace a perfectly working fuel pump.

Here is the ebay link to the bumper I "won".
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-1972-ford-pinto-rear-bumper-/380614768427?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=jeZRK2%252BSs1gN1hD6%252FbED%252F7TBLfc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2013, 08:36:29 PM »
Hi Jake,

Looks like you have a drag car that someone put on the street. 

For the street you need reliability. 

Took me the most of 2 yeras to convert my BEAST to the street.  And wiring is a big issue.  Take your time going through the wiring.  Once you know the circuit works correctly, such as the headlights, make sure it is fused correctly and that any joints are soldered and insulated correctly.

To make sure my wiring was correct I even pulled out the dash and dropped the steering column to get at it all.  Sure it took time and was a pain in the butt.  But once it was done it was worth all the effort. 

One circuit at a time and then YOU know it is correct.

Good luck and let us know how you are progressing along.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2013, 12:38:00 AM »
Hey thanks for your interest! :)

Mostly the car will just be used for weekend foolishness and something to work on when I get home from work. I'm not looking to get groceries or drive the thing to work; yet! It is a very, very crude machine. But for the time being, I wouldn't have it any other way.

I agree with you on the wiring as well. The last time I was with the car I was time constrained and thus very little real work got done. It's a gosh darn mess under the dash and under the steering column. There is clearly no effort put forth forward to making a harness of anykind; just all spaghetti! I can't stand it. It's likely nearly all of it will be redone. 

I go back to my parent's place in a few days so work will resume! I like to keep a schedule and make goals. Thus, I'm hoping to having the car finished (whatever the heck that means!) by July 4th.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #54 on: May 01, 2013, 12:52:41 AM »
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Once you know the circuit works correctly, such as the headlights, make sure it is fused correctly and that any joints are soldered and insulated correctly.

Yeah no joke there! Whomever did this wiring used no solder as far as I can tell. Hell, the power wire to the distributor didn't even have the right size female spade terminal on it. It was way too big and I can't believe it didn't fall off on the drive home.

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2013, 09:24:02 PM »
A few updates:

I got home thursday and decided the weekend was for fun and not work. Started re-doing the fuse box on Monday because as expected it was hacked into all over the place and bolts were used as fuses etc. etc. etc. I would show before and after pictures but I only have it functioning right now and not all neat and pretty. Tested the car, made it about a mile, got back home to discover my rear axle is leaking near the driver side wheel. Quite a lot. It's not going anywhere now until the seals get changed. Starting that tomorrow!

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2013, 07:22:57 AM »
The wiring in my '73 is so bitched up that I plan to install an aftermarket fuse box/harness in it. Maybe that would be a viable option to clean up your mess as well.
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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2013, 01:16:12 PM »
I installed an after market fuse box. I wouldn't really call it a fuse box... more of a fuse panel. Everything works well!
I decided to change it out after I randomly lost my tach and discovered that the power wire was just jammed next to a fuse. And the distributor and fuel pump and starter solenoid were all connected in a similar fashion.

Good luck on yours!

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2013, 07:22:26 PM »
Alright! So it's been a few months and I have SOME progress.
Between two jobs and a girlfriend my time has been limited, but i'll stop making excuses now :)

I redid my gauges. I don't think i showed what they looked like before but I moved them and i think they look alot better now!
More importantly, I did all the body work on the vehicle. It was sanded, bondo was applied, rust was cut, patches were welded, more bondo, body skim was added, and it currently was almost a layer of black epoxy primer on it (no pictures of it black yet, i might shoot some tonight). I ran out of primer before doing a real solid coat. Next is to wet sand the car with 2000 and shoot it with more primer and then i think i'll drop it off at Maaco. Does anyone know how to remove the chrome strips that run across the roof of the runabout model? I tried popping them off but it really didn't seem like that was it. I even cut up my headliner to get to a bolt that was no where to be found...

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Re: 1972 Runabout w/ 351 Cleveland
« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2013, 07:26:16 PM »
There was MUCH more bodywork than pictured but i figured you guys would get the point...
That driver side front fender was a WRECK. Took lots of tries to flatten it out.

I also picked up a 9" axle over the weekend and should be dropping it off at a shop tomorrow or the next day for shortening and rebuild.

I also picked up a Holley Strip dominator and a 4speed toploader. Neither are installed.
I might order new wheels tonight and new tires for the front.