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Shiny is Good! => Your Project => Topic started by: Tonycando on November 13, 2014, 09:54:45 PM
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Hi everyone
New to this site I am
I sold my 64 Fairlane last winter thinking its time to stay out of the car game,didn't last very long when I came across a 71 which I am installing one of my race prepped Cleveland's .
I ordered my headers through Jegs and got lucky,apparently I got the last set of Hedman Hustler swap headers made for this swap,I just ordered a front plate to mount the engine but I am exhausted looking for a oil pan that should work for this swap,is one out there for the Cleveland into a Pinto swap ?
I'll try to post a few pics soon of the subframe connectors we installed and are just finishing patching the floor.
Thanks
Tony
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Top two are used for the 302w & 351w, so the third one down should be the same deal # 30927
http://www.milodon.com/oil-pans/street-oil-pans-ford73.asp
I've checked the 302w pan on newer blocks. Only difference is the dip stick. Have to use the chain cover with the dip stick, and plug the hole in the block on newer ones.
With the Headers you have, you should bolt them to the engine & see if there will be clearance between for the pan flare.
You'll want to protect those rare Headers as well......what springs did you use ?
BTW folks, if Tony is the guy I'm thinking, he is a fellow Canadian ;D
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Yes sir its me.
I'm not sure which springs are in it so I'll have to get some weight in the front and see how the ride height is,it used to have a 302 in it years back but the previous owner really didn't know much of what is upgraded with the springs.
Will that pan clear the manual rack system ? If not I might as well just fab something up.
Does anyone know what 90/10 shock will fit on the front,no one lists them for the 71.
Nasty nasty nasty is the only way to describe how this car is going to be if it hooks up,I am planning on running the Caltracs system .
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That pan should clear. Built the same way the ones for 302w & 351w.
OEM pans bend down too soon. It's this area that hits the pan.
If you have the skills to mod a pan, that will work as well.
For me, it wasn't worth my time to mod one when a good race pan is available.
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Well from their measurements it looks like the width will work but the length will be tight,I ordered it through Jegs and see how it works.
Does anyone know what race shock is available for the 71 in a 90/10 or what is the differance for the 74 pinto cause that seems to be as far back as they will go.
Thanks
Tony
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At one time I was looking for the 90/10 shocks. Never did find any that said "for Pinto" (71 - 73).
I did find info that folks are using different types now.
Never got round to asking those that know.
If you have a good parts guy, measure the stroke you want, top pin, bottom eye & they should be able to match something up for you.
Last time I did this was in the early 70s.....
On my white B2 there are Koni adjustable, front & back. I have seen the backs for sale not long ago. I'd have to get the number off of the fronts to check for them.
If you do find 90/10s, please post them.
Nasty nasty nasty is the only way to describe how this car is going to be if it hooks up,I am planning on running the Caltracs system .
You gunna need wheely bars as well ;D
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Well I got the Milodon 30927 pan,no way is it going to fit the rear of the pan is the same as a stock stamped pan and is just dropped down from the stock sump.
Bummer I really didn't want to build one for this car.
Tony
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Just had a closer look at the 351c pan. I think I see what you mean.
The transition from the shallow end to the sump curves down , where with the 351w & 302w pans end sharply at the sump (allowing fitment over the rack).
Wonder if you could mod that new (or old) pan to replicate this sharp drop ?
Something in the engine preventing this mod ?
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I guess that's what I'll be looking at this week end,I was really hoping for a bolt on solution but oh well.at least I got lucky with the headers.
I have the block heads and headers along with the trans mocked up in there now,I am kind of setting it all up allowing clearances I need with the headers,the measurement I get from the oil pan rail on the block to the rack is from 3 1/2" to a max of 4"'s and the factory pan is 4 1/2" .so cut chop weld it is.
The pic they have of this pan definately not represent what they sent me.
I've seen a couple of Cleveland's in Pinto's on line running this pan and although questions were asked how they made it work the questions were never responded to.
Tony
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Do you have any pictures?
I am going to be doing this with my 74, and although they aren't exactly the same up front it might be a big help to see how you are doing this.
Thanks,
Russ
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Do you have any pictures?
I am going to be doing this with my 74, and although they aren't exactly the same up front it might be a big help to see how you are doing this.
Thanks,
Russ
I wil post pics,just since my last Ipad update I can't seem to post pics with the iPad,once I get it figured I i will post lots of pics.
Tony
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Thanks.
No rush on my part, the Pinto is on hold for a bit while I am getting my new daily driver 72 Ranchero (yes, with a 351C) sorted out.
Russ
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Couple of pics
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Hope you do not mind.... ?
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Looks like the Lakewood 1520 bell ? For the big 164 tooth fly wheel ?
Details on sub frames ? Tubing size, wall thickness ?
Did you go right through to the tail lights ?
Plans for diff ?
Looks like it's going to be tight for your gas peddle.
May I suggest trying to obtain the peddle bracket & peddles out of a 74^ car. If you need to mod them, there are more of them , than the 71/72 that are getting hard to find.
Engine mods ? Looks to me to be a stoutly built 351C !
Building your own cage ? If not, who you getting to build it ?
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Looks like the Lakewood 1520 bell ? For the big 164 tooth fly wheel ?
Details on sub frames ? Tubing size, wall thickness ?
Did you go right through to the tail lights ?
Plans for diff ?
Looks like it's going to be tight for your gas peddle.
May I suggest trying to obtain the peddle bracket & peddles out of a 74^ car. If you need to mod them, there are more of them , than the 71/72 that are getting hard to find
Engine mods ? Looks to me to be a stoutly built 351C !
Building your own cage ? If not, who you getting to build it ?
One day I'm going to find out how to fixed those pics lol thanks a bunch
Yes for the 164 tooth flywheel
If you look closely at the pic you can see I welded a 1x2 heavy wall against the rocker panel,it extended all the way to the front spring mount and fit between the spring mound and the rocker panel perfectly and it is all welded together.
Than I ran with the same material across the width of the car from the front of the spring mounts,all welded together into the rocker panel 1x2 and the spring mount brackets all welded in solid.
The connectors are 2x3" I believe 3/16 thick,they tie into at the rear those 1x2's and are gusseted to the front factory frame.
The motor is a 351 cleveland ,aluminum rods,Arias 12.5 Pistons and a 670" lift solid roller.
Still looking at 9" options but will be 31 spline 3:89 geared
As far as the cage goes I might do it myself but there are kit options I've been looking at and just do the install myself,if not there is a guy Dan Lee in High River who could do it for me.
I had a fellow see my pedals wanted add and he emailed me letting me know he had a set for sale from a 71 he built years ago,he told me to look at the pics carefully cause he heated them to move them over a bit for his cleveland with 4spd Install,I have not put them in yet but I've been installing the seat and making sure the gas pedal and my big foot has room,so far so good.
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This is the base I speak of that the back of the subframe. Connectors ties into
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Ahhhhhhh it sideways again. Dang it
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;D
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In the 3rd picture, the one with an engine sitting in the car. What is the intake for ? Reason I ask is the water neck....
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Nope no water neck,that is Weiand tunnel ram cleveland specific.
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Couldn't tell for sure in the little pictures.
Made it bigger on my computer, but it got real blurry.....
Hard to find ? Don't see many listed anyplace.
Plan for tubs ?
Cage be 8.5 cert ?
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Couldn't tell for sure in the little pictures.
Made it bigger on my computer, but it got real blurry.....
Hard to find ? Don't see many listed anyplace.
Plan for tubs ?
Cage be 8.5 cert ?
They are still out there and come across them on fleebay once in awhile.
The wheel wells are only going to get widened at the front area where they come in at a angle,and the cage I have planed is a 8 point at this time maybe more if my thoughts come through to fruition to cut out the front inner fenders.
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Engine Weight and Dimension Comparison
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The following numbers come from an early Ford catalog and are for
"typical" engines. The dimensions include such things as air cleaners, oil
filters, water pump fan, etc., but not bellhousings.
Engine Width Length Height Weight
289-302W 24.0 29.0 27.5 460
302 Boss 24.5 29.0 28.5 500
351W 25.0 29.0 29.0 525
351C 25.5 29.0 29.0 550
351M-400 26.0 29.0 29.0 575
Heads
50.0 lbs 289/302 - complete including rockers
56.5 lbs 351C 2bbl open chamber - bare
58.0 lbs 351C 2bbl open chamber - complete except for rockers
60.0 lbs 351C 4bbl closed chamber - bare
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Well things should be easier with the purchSe of a complete running parts car. Kind of cute isn't it.
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Looks rather nice to be parting out! ???
Dwayne
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Looks rather nice to be parting out! ???
Dwayne
It's a 2 ltr OHC that smokes 4 spd car,both doors ore completely rotten,quarters are rusted through,parts are so hard to find I'm finding out for the 1971 that there really are no other options out there but to take this one apart and use what I need and than see if anyone else needs parts to complete there own restoration.
Unless someone comes along and tells me this is a ultra rare model deserving a redo
Thanks
Tony
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Nope, don't see anything particularly rare about it; just looked decent in the photo. I agree with you that a parts car can be a valuable asset!
Dwayne :)
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WOW that car is beautiful! I LOVE the yellow!
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Moving the front of the inner rear wheel well for more clearance. Before and after pics.
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I may have asked before... ?
You opening the wheel wells up for taller than 26" tires ?
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I am shooting for a 28"11.5 tire
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Lookin' good! I did the exact same thing in the front of my wheel wells last winter..
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Lookin' good! I did the exact same thing in the front of my wheel wells last winter..
Have you done any tire fitment
Thanks
Tony
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Second wheel well moved in checked off the list, time to put my feet up and have a Ford and Mercury moment. Lol
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Have you done any tire fitment
Thanks
Tony
I've got 275/50/15 ET street radials sitting under mine.
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I've got 275/50/15 ET street radials sitting under mine.
Is that with stock axel width,also would you mind sharing you your wheel width and offset please
Thanks
Tony
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Is that with stock axel width,also would you mind sharing you your wheel width and offset please
Thanks
Tony
I'll measure the diff axle flange to axle flange over the weekend and get the wheel info too..
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Well the Caltracs are here now,was hoping my springs would be ok but to no avail cause they are broke. Now I'm waiting for the split mono leaf springs from Caltracs also so watch for some pics of their install.
Also started building my own back brace for the 9" after its welded up its off to sandblast to clean it up
That should take care of the rear and I desided to go with the Strange front brake kit, it fits the drum spindle and is better priced than Wilwood by enough to make me happy.
Still hope to fire this beast up in six weeks.
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Making good time !
Started 4 years after me & will have yours going long before mine !
Looking forward to some video of this Beast of yours on the track !
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Making good time !
Started 4 years after me & will have yours going long before mine !
Looking forward to some video of this Beast of yours on the track !
I won't have the body done this year,I really want to just get it out and have some fun this summer,body work is a great next winter project,perfect for those cold Alberta winter days we get sometimes.
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Sort of the same plan for me : depends on how bad the economy / work gets here.
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Hi Tony, sorry it took me so long to post the info.. With this set up the tires tuck nicely inside the wheel opening. I did have to move the leaf springs inboard to clear the inside sidewall of the tires..
Ford 9" 58 1/4" flange to flange
Weld Wheels (Draglite) 90-58350, 15 in. x 8 in.
5 x 4.5/4.75 in. Bolt Circle
5.5 in. Backspace
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Hi Tony, sorry it took me so long to post the info.. With this set up the tires tuck nicely inside the wheel opening. I did have to move the leaf springs inboard to clear the inside sidewall of the tires..
Ford 9" 58 1/4" flange to flange
Weld Wheels (Draglite) 90-58350, 15 in. x 8 in.
5 x 4.5/4.75 in. Bolt Circle
5.5 in. Backspace
Thanks for that info,I test fit a 15x8 with 4.5" backspace with a old L60/15" tire and it just clears and only have 3/4" between the spring and the tire so I can see why you moved your springs.
My Caltracs with split mono leaf has arrived and I plan to install it this weekend along with my tire combo,I'll post pics of how it all fits.
Tony
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Ok now I have the 9" installed,I had to move ever so slight the pin holes in the 57 fairlane diff by 3/16" on either side other wise it pushed the leifs springs out enough to bind the Caltracs on the front spring perch.
Rebuilt the 8" brakes and put it all together with the 28/11.5 MT ET Streets which I might say fit tighter than a nuns nickers. The rims I am using are 15x8 with a 5.5" back space and I need to use quarter inch spacers to keep the tire from rubbing the springs. But I think it looks dam nasty.
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Looking forward to hearing how it kooks up.
Nice clean set up !
Surprised you got 28" tires in that small hole.
My diff is mounted a bit more forward than yours & I can only get a 26" tire in.
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Looking forward to hearing how it kooks up.
Nice clean set up !
Surprised you got 28" tires in that small hole.
My diff is mounted a bit more forward than yours & I can only get a 26" tire in.
It is quite tight at the front,about a 1/2" clearance so I will be moving the wheel well and rocker a little,with a little more welding I should have it back on the ground this weekend and see how it sits and measure for rear shocks,Calvert Racing said they might not be able to supply a shock but I'll measure it up and find out on Monday..
Tony
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I like! Is that mono spring setup with the traction bars compatible with the m2 8" rear end?
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I like! Is that mono spring setup with the traction bars compatible with the m2 8" rear end?
They do have the bottom mount for a 8" diff as well,one issue I might have is where they have the lower shock mount positioned it puts the shock closer to the axel tube,they did tell me if I have any interference that they would make me a new lower mount,I'll keep everyone in the loop but so far Calvert has been great to deal with.
Tony
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The one company I will not use again is Currie,I ordered there 31 spline axel package,they asked what diff and what it's out of for the seals,they sent the wrong ones and when I phoned them on it they said there are 4 different kinds.
That would have been a great thing to let me know first hand so one doesn't have to wait another 2 weeks for seals,also no access hole to remove the retainer bolts,again they said I should have asked for them.hell yet every pic on there site shows the hole and even the factory axel has them.
All in all very disappointed in them.
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Sounds like you got a counter person that just wasn't pushing their products correctly. I've had pretty good luck with them, only 1 return, and that was my fault.
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Sounds like you got a counter person that just wasn't pushing their products correctly. I've had pretty good luck with them, only 1 return, and that was my fault.
Its the you should have asked attitude that sealed the deal for me,I've used Strange on other projects and I guess I'll go back.never had any issues with Strange but thought I would try someone else.never again..
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Well I got the QA1 adjustable shock and 600 lb springs installed and the Strange disk brake kit,I am very happy with both kits.the disk kit was a very simple bolt on solution..
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Sorry about the sideways pics guys .
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Looks good..
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Well from their measurements it looks like the width will work but the length will be tight,I ordered it through Jegs and see how it works.
Does anyone know what race shock is available for the 71 in a 90/10 or what is the differance for the 74 pinto cause that seems to be as far back as they will go.
Thanks
Tony
Hi Tony, have you had any luck with finding 90/10 shocks?
I've been talking to Chris Alston chassis works about double adjustable shocks for my '71 and think we have it narrowed down. I measured the shocks that were in my car and we went from there.
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Thank you for the up date !
Look forward to more........so on !
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Hi Tony, have you had any luck with finding 90/10 shocks?
I've been talking to Chris Alston chassis works about double adjustable shocks for my '71 and think we have it narrowed down. I measured the shocks that were in my car and we went from there.
I do apologize I've not kept up with this,I gave up trying to find the 90/10,s
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C2639 Competion Engineering Drag race shocks state in their ad that their 3 way adjustable shocks are 90-10 on one of the 3 settings. Its there in black and white. Read the ad.
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https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/cee-2639/overview/
I too had searched all over & had never found them.......