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1971 with a Cleveland install
« on: November 13, 2014, 09:54:45 PM »
Hi everyone
New to this site I am
I sold my 64 Fairlane last winter thinking its time to stay out of the car game,didn't last very long when I came across a 71 which I am installing one of my race prepped Cleveland's .
I ordered my headers through Jegs and got lucky,apparently I got the last set of Hedman Hustler swap headers made for this swap,I just ordered a front plate to mount the engine but I am exhausted looking for a oil pan that should work for this swap,is one out there for the Cleveland into a Pinto swap ?
I'll try to post a few pics soon of the subframe connectors we installed and are just finishing patching the floor.
Thanks
 Tony

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Re: 1971 wit a Cleveland install
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2014, 04:39:40 AM »
Top two are used for the 302w & 351w, so the third one down should be the same deal # 30927

http://www.milodon.com/oil-pans/street-oil-pans-ford73.asp

I've checked the 302w pan on newer blocks. Only difference is the dip stick. Have to use the chain cover with the dip stick, and plug the hole in the block on newer ones.

With the Headers you have, you should bolt them to the engine & see if there will be clearance between for the pan flare.

You'll want to protect those rare Headers as well......what springs did you use ?

BTW folks, if Tony is the guy I'm thinking, he is a fellow Canadian  ;D

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Re: 1971 wit a Cleveland install
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2014, 07:58:41 PM »
Yes sir its me.
I'm not sure which springs are in it so I'll have to get some weight in the front and see how the ride height is,it used to have a 302 in it years back but the previous owner really didn't know much of what is upgraded with the springs.
Will that pan clear the manual rack system ? If not I might as well just fab something up.
Does anyone know what 90/10 shock will fit on the front,no one lists them for the 71.
Nasty nasty nasty is the only way to describe how this car is going to be if it hooks up,I am planning on running the Caltracs system .

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Re: 1971 wit a Cleveland install
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2014, 04:42:12 AM »
That pan should clear. Built the same way the ones for 302w & 351w.

OEM pans bend down too soon. It's this area that hits the pan.
If you have the skills to mod a pan, that will work as well.

For me, it wasn't worth my time to mod one when a good race pan is available.

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Re: 1971 wit a Cleveland install
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2014, 08:41:02 PM »
Well from their measurements it looks like the width will work but the length will be tight,I ordered it through Jegs and see how it works.
Does anyone know what race shock is available for the 71 in a 90/10 or what is the differance for the 74 pinto cause that seems to be as far back as they will go.
Thanks
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Re: 1971 wit a Cleveland install
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2014, 04:48:37 AM »
At one time I was looking for the 90/10 shocks. Never did find any that said "for Pinto" (71 - 73).

I did find info that folks are using different types now.
Never got round to asking those that know.

If you have a good parts guy, measure the stroke you want, top pin, bottom eye & they should be able to match something up for you.
Last time I did this was in the early 70s.....

On my white B2 there are Koni  adjustable, front & back. I have seen the backs for sale not long ago. I'd have to get the number off of the fronts to check for them.

If you do find 90/10s, please post them.


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Nasty nasty nasty is the only way to describe how this car is going to be if it hooks up,I am planning on running the Caltracs system .

You gunna need wheely bars as well  ;D

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Re: 1971 wit a Cleveland install
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2014, 08:36:18 PM »
Well I got the Milodon 30927 pan,no way is it going to fit the rear of the pan is the same as a stock stamped pan and is just dropped down from the stock sump.
Bummer I really didn't want to build one for this car.

Tony

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Re: 1971 wit a Cleveland install
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2014, 05:13:38 AM »
Just had a closer look at the 351c pan. I think I see what you mean.
The transition from the shallow end to the sump curves down , where with the 351w & 302w pans end sharply at the sump (allowing fitment over the rack).

Wonder if you could mod that new (or old) pan to replicate this sharp drop ?
Something in the engine preventing this mod ?

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Re: 1971 wit a Cleveland install
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2014, 08:39:52 AM »
I guess that's what I'll be looking at this week end,I was really hoping for a bolt on solution but oh well.at least I got lucky with the headers.
I have the block heads and headers along with the trans mocked up in there now,I am kind of setting it all up allowing clearances I need with the headers,the measurement I get from the oil pan rail on the block to the rack is from 3 1/2" to a max of 4"'s and the factory pan is 4 1/2" .so cut chop weld it is.
The pic they have of this pan definately not represent what they sent me.
I've seen a couple of Cleveland's in Pinto's on line running this pan and although questions were asked how they made it work the questions were never responded to.

Tony


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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2014, 10:37:40 AM »
Do you have any pictures?
I am going to be doing this with my 74, and although they aren't exactly the same up front it might be a big help to see how you are doing this.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2014, 07:36:30 PM »
Do you have any pictures?
I am going to be doing this with my 74, and although they aren't exactly the same up front it might be a big help to see how you are doing this.
Thanks,
Russ

I wil post pics,just since my last Ipad update I can't seem to post pics with the iPad,once I get it figured I i will post lots of pics.

Tony

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2014, 09:59:36 PM »
Thanks.
No rush  on my part, the Pinto is on hold for a bit while I am getting my new daily driver 72 Ranchero (yes, with a 351C) sorted out.
Russ
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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2014, 07:05:00 PM »
Couple of pics

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2014, 05:27:45 AM »
Hope you do not mind.... ?








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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2014, 05:36:22 AM »
Looks like the Lakewood 1520 bell ? For the big 164 tooth fly wheel ?

Details on sub frames ? Tubing size, wall thickness ?
Did you go right through to the tail lights ?

Plans for diff ?

Looks like it's going to be tight for your gas peddle.
May I suggest trying to obtain the peddle bracket & peddles out of a 74^ car. If you need to mod them, there are more of them , than the 71/72 that are getting hard to find.

Engine mods ? Looks to me to be a stoutly built 351C !

Building your own cage ? If not, who you getting to build it ?

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2014, 06:28:05 PM »
Looks like the Lakewood 1520 bell ? For the big 164 tooth fly wheel ?

Details on sub frames ? Tubing size, wall thickness ?
Did you go right through to the tail lights ?

Plans for diff ?

Looks like it's going to be tight for your gas peddle.
May I suggest trying to obtain the peddle bracket & peddles out of a 74^ car. If you need to mod them, there are more of them , than the 71/72 that are getting hard to find


Engine mods ? Looks to me to be a stoutly built 351C !

Building your own cage ? If not, who you getting to build it ?

One day I'm going to find out how to fixed those pics lol thanks a bunch
Yes for the 164 tooth flywheel
If you look closely at the pic you can see I welded a 1x2 heavy wall against the rocker panel,it extended all the way to the front spring mount and fit between the spring mound and the rocker panel perfectly and it is all welded together.
Than I ran with the same material across the width of the car from the front of the spring mounts,all welded together into the rocker panel 1x2 and the spring mount brackets all welded in solid.
The connectors are 2x3" I believe 3/16 thick,they tie into at the rear those 1x2's and are gusseted to the front factory frame.
The motor is a 351 cleveland ,aluminum rods,Arias 12.5 Pistons and a 670" lift solid roller.
Still looking at 9" options but will be 31 spline 3:89 geared
As far as the cage goes I might do it myself but there are kit options I've been looking at and just do the install myself,if not there is a guy Dan Lee in High River who could do it for me.

I had a fellow see my pedals wanted add and he emailed me letting me know he had a set for sale from a 71 he built years ago,he told me to look at the pics carefully cause he heated them to move them over a bit for his cleveland with 4spd  Install,I have not put them in yet but I've been installing the seat and making sure the gas pedal and my big foot has room,so far so good.



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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2014, 06:37:34 PM »
This is the base I speak of that the back of the subframe. Connectors ties into

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2014, 06:41:04 PM »
Ahhhhhhh it sideways again.  Dang it

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2014, 07:25:26 PM »
 ;D





In the 3rd picture, the one with an engine sitting in the car. What is the intake for ? Reason I ask is the water neck....

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2014, 07:35:50 PM »
Nope no water neck,that is Weiand tunnel ram cleveland specific.

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2014, 07:40:09 PM »
Couldn't tell for sure in the little pictures.
Made it bigger on my computer, but it got real blurry.....

Hard to find ? Don't see many listed anyplace.

Plan for tubs ?

Cage be 8.5 cert ?

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2014, 08:33:52 PM »
Couldn't tell for sure in the little pictures.
Made it bigger on my computer, but it got real blurry.....

Hard to find ? Don't see many listed anyplace.

Plan for tubs ?

Cage be 8.5 cert ?

They are still out there and come across them on fleebay once in awhile.
The wheel wells are only going to get widened at the front area where they come in at a angle,and the cage I have planed is a 8 point at this time maybe more if my thoughts come through to fruition to cut out the front inner fenders.

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2014, 08:36:43 AM »
Engine Weight and Dimension Comparison
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The following numbers come from an early Ford catalog and are for
"typical" engines.  The dimensions include such things as air cleaners, oil
filters, water pump fan, etc., but not bellhousings.

               Engine    Width Length Height Weight

               289-302W  24.0  29.0   27.5   460
               302 Boss  24.5  29.0   28.5   500
               351W      25.0  29.0   29.0   525
               351C      25.5  29.0   29.0   550
               351M-400  26.0  29.0   29.0   575

       Heads       
 

       50.0 lbs  289/302 - complete including rockers
       56.5 lbs  351C 2bbl open chamber - bare
       58.0 lbs  351C 2bbl open chamber - complete except for rockers
       60.0 lbs  351C 4bbl closed chamber - bare

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2015, 02:46:53 PM »
Well things should be easier with the purchSe of a complete running parts car. Kind of cute isn't  it.

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2015, 03:43:36 PM »
Looks rather nice to be parting out! ???


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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2015, 04:33:53 PM »
Looks rather nice to be parting out! ???


Dwayne

It's a 2 ltr OHC  that smokes 4 spd car,both doors ore completely rotten,quarters are rusted through,parts are so hard to find I'm finding out for the 1971 that there really are no other options out there but to take this one apart and use what I need and than see if anyone else needs parts to complete there own restoration.

Unless someone comes along and tells me this is a ultra rare model deserving a redo

Thanks
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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2015, 08:17:51 AM »
Nope, don't see anything particularly rare about it; just looked decent in the photo.  I agree with you that a parts car can be a valuable asset!


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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2015, 09:18:54 AM »
WOW that car is beautiful! I LOVE the yellow!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2015, 08:55:00 PM »
Moving the front of the inner rear wheel well for more clearance. Before and after pics.

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Re: 1971 with a Cleveland install
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2015, 05:01:35 PM »
I may have asked before... ?

You opening the wheel wells up for taller than 26" tires ?