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"Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« on: August 29, 2014, 08:19:02 PM »
Hey Crew.
  Well, after a few very helpful suggestions we have oil to the top end of the motor. If you've been following this project, I bought an old Willys Jeep with a Ford Pinto motor that had been in a flood and under water.
  I've flushed all the gear boxes out several times and have flushed the motor several times as well. I've got ATF in the motor right now but will drain and refill with motor oil in the morning. I haven't tried to start the motor but have the new timing belt installed and thought with the spark plugs out I could get the oil flowing and do a bit of cleaning and flushing at the same time.
  When I get the proper oil in the motor I'm going to pull it around the yard in gear to spin-up the lube and motor oil one last time.
  I Will probably put this project on hold for a few weeks as we have an old Military vehicle that needs to be "parade ready" by Veteran's Day. (1952 M-37)
  Once again I'd like to thank you all for all the help and fine advice! "I'll be back"!
 
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2014, 08:32:24 AM »
THE BEAST IS ALIVE!  ;D
Good Morning Crew!
  The 1948 Willys Jeep and the 1979 Pinto engine roared to life this morning at approximately 08:00 hours! I canít believe how well it runs for a motor that has sat asleep since the year 2002.
  I guess all the flushing and prep work paid off!! Now to clean the shop and focus on getting the M-37 parade ready! Oorah!
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2014, 09:30:44 AM »
Congrats, glad to hear it's running..
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2014, 09:38:36 AM »
THE BEAST IS ALIVE!  ;D



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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2014, 10:00:54 AM »
Hey Guys!!
  Couldn't have done it without your help. Thank all of you!! Time for some serious housecleaning in the shop!
  Might be next week before we get to test drive her? Will see how we do on the Army Truck!
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2014, 10:47:05 AM »
Congratulation s!
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2014, 08:01:13 PM »
Thanks "jburt".
    I put the battery in the 1948 Willys Jeep with the 1979 Ford O.H.C. engine and fired her up again this morning. Just as I expected, the clutch disk was rusted to the flywheel. 2 trips around the yard with a 6-gallon boat tank for fuel with the clutch pedal fully depressed and she finally broke loose. Still no 2nd and 3rd gear but we have 1st and a back-gear! Itís a beginning.
  Not too shabby for a vehicle that has sat since 2002 and been thru several Mississippi river floods! She just ainít ready for the big parking lot in the sky! (Jeep officially on hold for a while)
  Military truck tomorrow. Tuesday is get ready for work. Back on the road Wednesday early AM for a week.
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep. (Cooling Fan)
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2014, 07:45:41 PM »
Hello Crew.
  Well, I made it thru another week on the road. Worked on the Willys yesterday and have all the gears in the transmission working now. 3 forward and 1 back.
  Tomorrow I want to get back to the motor. The radiator must have came out of the car the engine came from? It's not the original Jeep unit.
  There is an electric cooling fan mounted behind the radiator with 2 wires coming from what I think is a relay? There is 1 wire coming from what I believe is a sending unit in the bottom tank of the radiator.
  I didn't think Pinto or Bobcat had electric cooling fans so this must be somebody's trick idea? Where do I start testing to see if the electric cooling motor runs and how do I check the sending unit to see if it still works? Any idea welcome!
  I can get pictures tomorrow if anybody thinks it would help?
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2014, 08:22:47 PM »
Odds are, it has a switch / sensor to turn on when the engine reaches a temp, ie: 180f

(putting one in #1 Pinto)

I wouldn't have tried to start an engine that had sit that long.
I may well start, but internal rust will damage a pile of internal parts.
I'd have torn it down for a re-build.

For example.
I bought a B2 engine that had sat for about 3 years.
I used a remote camera to look through the spark plug holes.
All cylinders with an open intake valve had rust on the lower side of the cylinders (3).
If I had started it, it would have taken out the rings & pistons.....re sulting in BOOM !

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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2014, 06:38:10 AM »
Odds are, it has a switch / sensor to turn on when the engine reaches a temp, ie: 180f

The temp sensor is what my question was about. Not familiar with them although I know what they are supposed to do.

Thanks for your reply.
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2014, 07:38:13 AM »
Yep, a temp sensor very common add on to control the fan, fan will turn on when coolant reaches the temp the sender is set for.
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2014, 08:06:00 AM »
Thanks Art.
  Heading to the parts store right now. Got the old one in hand. Hope they can match it or at least come up with something close.
(it ain't a Swiss watch)  :-[
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep. (Update.)
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2014, 08:41:48 PM »
  Could not find a new "temp sensor" fan switch in town.
Didn't want to special order one with the cost being over $50. I thought that was a bit high priced??
Anyway, cleaned up the old switch for now and it seems to be working for the time being.
  Started the motor today with fresh oil and filter, brought it up to operating temp for a while and let her run, fast idle. Everything seems to be working for now.
  I know several Folks were concerned about running the old motor after sitting so long but at least now I can winterize it and it'll keep till spring. Didn't want to start an overhaul and tie-up the shop until several other projects are finished.
  Thanks again for all the help and suggestions.
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2014, 09:43:44 PM »
Glad to hear it runs..
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2014, 06:45:13 AM »
Thanks Art!!
  I thought I could make her run again! Years ago my Father had a Mercury Bobcat he ran over 200,000! What a beast!
  On a sad note, 9-11-01 Never Forget.
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2014, 07:51:38 AM »
Now watch for leaks, although mine supposedly sat for 15yrs and the motor has no leaks, only leak was the shift rod in the tranny leaked, but the o-ring came back to life because it don't leak any more..
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2014, 08:12:53 AM »
"Roger-Willco" on watching for leaks.
  Might pull the thermostat and back flush the cooling system before I head back on the road next week.
  Gotta' get back on the M-37 project today, several parades to ready for.
 
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2014, 09:17:26 AM »
I flushed mine along with a new radiator and heater core it was nasty, at least it had anti-freeze in it.
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FUEL PRESSURE "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys.
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2014, 07:04:14 AM »
Fuel Pump Question.
  I'm going to install an electric fuel pump to feed the Ford 2.3 OHC motor in my rig. What is the recommended pump or fuel pressure for the 2 barrel carb.
  Too much pressure, not good!
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2014, 06:22:13 PM »
Low pressure or around 5-8 max psi, it works on virtually any carbed car. If still using that crap supersmall screw-in-carb filter I'd dump that in a second and install a bigger inline one between pump and carb. The small one clogs at the drop of a hat with ethanol spiked fuel even when new. Not enough space in it.

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Re: Fuel Pump Pressure. "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2014, 07:49:44 PM »
Thank You amc49.
  I just happen to have an extra electric fuel pump rated at 5 to 6 psi.
Wilco roger on the fuel filter. I wondered about the very small size and function. I'll put an inline filter as you suggest. 
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2014, 11:18:49 AM »
If not you'll quickly wear out the pipethread mount there from multiple changing. Very common for that thread to be worn out on rebuilder carbs. I've done it myself in the past, now I use a fitting and epoxy that sucker in to force me to use the bigger filter. At one time in the past on a MII I changed that filter like once a month back when they were first introducing ethanol in Texas fuel, it was a monster problem and why Ford had pure hell with early Focus cars clogging up the fuel modules to recall millions of cars. The fuel makers wisened up, can't sell crap product and instituted changes that brought fuel quality up much higher and more consistent. Any body remember the Citgo refinery fiasco in say the early '90s that wrecked many thousands of vehicles from too much ethanol percentage that then clogged injectors nationwide? Lots of news on it at the time. They were not truly aware of how easy the ethanol sucked in water and mass deliveries were not sealed back then.

I changed lots of those filter setups up back in the day at the garage, the OEM small filter could clog in less than a week on some cars with tank rust issues.

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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2014, 07:19:20 AM »
I pay extra for pure regular gas, unleaded of course, with no ethanol. Really hard on my old M-37 and boat motors. I also put additives in every gallon of gas I buy! 
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2014, 07:37:05 AM »
We only have one station here with ethanol free gas, it's 91 octane and it's $4.58 a gallon.. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2014, 10:15:20 AM »
Buy the ethanol gas. Distill the alcohol. Drink the alcohol.  ;D
Oh, wait. I guess that won't be that healthy.  :(
I could see it now. Man killed when gas he is running thru a still to extract the alcohol explodes.  ;D
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2014, 11:33:32 AM »
I pay extra for pure regular gas, unleaded of course, with no ethanol. 

I don't use any additives, but my Pinto and my Rolls-Royce both get the ethanol-free gas!  Prevents a lot of problems!  The Ram pickup and the Mustang are both new enough, and driven frequently enough, that it doesn't really matter (at least not much).

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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2014, 01:46:36 PM »
I could see it now. Man killed when gas he is running thru a still to extract the alcohol explodes.  ;D
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2014, 02:26:49 PM »
Alcohol removing is easy. Put the gas in a clear container, add H2O (water). The alkie will mix with the water and then go to the bottom of the container. Drain off the water and you've got alkie free gas. Easy but SLOW.
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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2014, 07:16:49 PM »
  Lets see if I got this right. Add $4.58 worth of H2O to the Roll-Royce and drink alcohol while tending the still?
  Like I said, I need, er, I use a lot of additives! In my gas tank too. ???
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Re: "Pinto" motor in a 1948 Willys Jeep.
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2014, 02:07:47 PM »
Take the ethanol out of 87 pump gasoline and it will drop the octane down to about 84-85.
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