Author Topic: '72 2000cc motor mods (Read 14555 times)

jimknightford@yaho · « **on:** September 08, 2004, 03:41:34 AM »

To Brad, TurboPinto'72, My name is Jim knight, I'm a fellow Pinto enthusiest and all around Ford person. I have aquired a '72 runabout and want to turn it into a hot street/strip car. I need some advise on how to build the 2.0 and turn it into a hobby racer (so I can give those kids in their honda cars some greif) I'm 46y/o and have experiance in engine building, mostly Ford V-8's VW's and some british junk but this is my first 2.0. I was wondering if you had a good recipe to make a normally aspirated motor that will run on pump premium. I know the bottom end in these motors are stout and the prep I can do but what do I need as far as head work-valves, cams, induction, exhaust etc. to reach my goal which is ~175hp? I know it can be done but what combination of parts do I need? I dont want to buy a bunch of parts and hope they work so I hoping you can lend some advise. I plan to run a C-4 trans (hips are bad cant clutch anymore) and a 8 inch rear with either one of 3 ratios-3:73,3:90 or 4:11's What do you think? My e-mail is jimknightford@yahoo.com Thanks, Jim

turbopinto72 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2004, 10:07:44 AM »

Jim, I emaild you off list with some thoughts and ideas. As far as gearing, lets see what combo you will use before we get into that.

allfordmark · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2004, 06:25:09 PM »

I have a similar situation. I think that the 2.0 with 150-160 hp would be a lot of fun to drive. My 72 definitely could use help in the breathing department. I want to continue to run on the street and keep it light. I am not going to run at the strip. i would be interested in that list as well.

turbopinto72 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2004, 06:30:20 PM »

Ok, I will do a full list of mods including some part numbers and spec's. It will take a few days to compile but it will be worth it. I will be posting it in the FAQ section under the heading, HiPo 2000.

Scott Hamilton · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2004, 10:49:20 PM »

Excellent, I too have a 2000 I want to nudge...

THANKS!

dick1172762 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 13, 2004, 08:19:28 PM »

175 HP! Lots of luck. Jerry Walsh once told me that in all his dealing with a 2.0L, he had only seen a couple make 175 HP. The head is pure junk with the way the intake ports turn in the head before the valve head. Only high HP motors I ever saw were ones with the intake ports welded up and moved up on the head. That cost over a grand in 1972. Again, lots of luck.

turbopinto72 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2004, 08:28:30 PM »

Sounds like a challange to me........

. But any way, A goal is a great thing to have. It allows people who are trying to help with the goal make disisions with the goal in mind.Yes 175 Hp is a Big number on a N/A 2.0. However,

with the correct combo and head work I think one could come close. I think Jim should have a goal in mind that is ( or might be) just out side the realm of what He ( we ) could do. Jesse James has this way of thinking, look what He accomplished.

dick1172762 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 13, 2004, 11:02:04 PM »

2.3L is the way to go for one big reason. You can buy any kind of speed equiptment for it that you want. Most of the 2.0L stuff I see now comes from the UK. You can get HP readings out of a 2.3L that people only dream of from a 2.0L Go to a mini-stock race and you will see where all the Pintos have gone. You will see 20 2.3L's for ever 2.0L you see.

turbopinto72 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 14, 2004, 07:19:43 PM »

Jim has a 72 Pinto with a 2.0 in it. I didnt think he wanted to go through the trouble of installing new,relocated motor mounts and install a 2.3 ( hence the topic, 2000cc motor mods). Im sure we could do whole topic on how to hop up the 2.3 N/A motor and make over 300 Hp.

1repuwannabe · « **Reply #9 on:** December 02, 2004, 04:07:59 PM »

any progress with the list?? I looked in the FAQ section and saw nothing. I have a 2.0 in my truck (new truck) and would like to see a little more than 80hp.

allfordmark · « **Reply #10 on:** December 02, 2004, 04:22:36 PM »

I have been looking around and found that the heads can be made to flow better without welding and reporting. The 175 hp may be at the upper limit but there is a lot of room between that and the 80 little ponies that I currently squeeze out. Please get the info out for us that would like to work with the lowly 2.0's. Thanks, Mark

1repuwannabe · « **Reply #11 on:** December 03, 2004, 10:48:25 AM »

AMEN Mark. Hey are you still in eastern wash?? did you see my thread on an 80 pinto runabout for 400?? drop in a batt and clutch and away you go.

Farmboy · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2004, 09:35:57 PM »

Yea Mark, you need another toy in your garage

allfordmark · « **Reply #13 on:** December 08, 2004, 03:18:11 PM »

I saw the thread on the '80 but I could not gat away due to increasing work load. We have a major equipment install during Christmas break and all is now prep prep prep. Keep your eyes open 1repuwannabe. I would like to get my engine beathing this coming summer.

Even if the garage is full.

allfordmark · « **Reply #14 on:** December 14, 2004, 02:09:57 AM »

Looks like now is a good time to begin the head work. My Pinto started to run poorly so I ran a compression chack and found the 2 middle cylinders low and the water level low too.
So the head comes off and I am ready to do some breathing improvement for it.

gawdzuki · « **Reply #15 on:** December 14, 2004, 08:50:08 AM »

Any word on the grovery list for the 2.0. Not sure if that is the direction I want to go, But it would be well worth the thought since the car already has a 2.0 in it.

1repuwannabe · « **Reply #16 on:** December 17, 2004, 12:26:29 PM »

Mark, Please let me know what you're doing to your head. I had 240lbs in my truck for traction and boy did it do something to my power. I took it out and substituted a snow shovel for the time I get caught out in the snow. It definately needs more power to the ground.

allfordmark · « **Reply #17 on:** December 17, 2004, 06:26:28 PM »

With my current work load I will not even pull the head until mid to late January. I will post any mods I plan as soon as I find out how much damage there is. I would be open to sggestions for a cam from the group. Thanks, Mark

patcosca · « **Reply #18 on:** February 06, 2005, 09:46:18 AM »

Where is the grocery list for the 2000cc motor mods? I've searched the forums and can't find it.
Pat

turbopinto72 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 06, 2005, 12:38:49 PM »

Sorry Guys, my Bad. I have not got that list up and running. I am trying to find a way to intergrate my Excell spread sheet file to this board but so far have not been able to do it. I need to call Scott and talk about it more. If there is no way to do it I will just need to spend ALOT of time re-working the details into a page. I will try and get some type of list up this month.

patcosca · « **Reply #20 on:** February 06, 2005, 02:46:48 PM »

Brad, can you email the excel file?
pcosca@neo.rr.com
Thanks
Pat

Joecoolami · « **Reply #21 on:** March 05, 2005, 01:26:37 AM »

How goes the HiPo 2000 list? Looking forward to seeing what my options are for my humble 2000cc. If not, could you e-mail me the list at Joecoolami@hotmail.com?

Tercin · « **Reply #22 on:** March 11, 2005, 05:05:51 PM »

I would like to see that shopping list as well. tercin@sbcglobal.net
Thanks
Terry

Pintony · « **Reply #23 on:** April 19, 2006, 10:26:02 AM »

bump.
Where is the list?
From Pintony

turbopinto72 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 19, 2006, 11:33:57 AM »

Quote from: Pintony on April 19, 2006, 10:26:02 AM

bump.
Where is the list?
From Pintony

I havent had time to work on my car let alone the list....

, I will still do one soon.

The Whistler · « **Reply #25 on:** April 23, 2006, 02:10:59 AM »

If I still had a 2000 in my 72. I would buy a Cosworth head, intake manifold a T3 hybrid and megasquirt engine management and make some insane hp.

UltimatePinto · « **Reply #26 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:12:02 AM »

I squeezed a dyno tested 161 HP out of mine. The guys at the machine shop used a book by Dave Vizard, (ISBN 0 86343 0856), as a guide to do the head work, Esslinger roller cam, flat top pistons w/valve reliefs, 9:5 compression ratio, Schoenfield headers w/3" collector, Offy 2bbl intake w/Holley 500 2bbl carb.
If you decide on the headers, you will have issues regarding the passenger motor mount as Pintony has mentioned in other posts, but nothing that can't be resolved.
The head will cost you but so won't any other if done by a machine shop. Mine said that my application is good to 7000 RPM and that it was strongest from 6000 to 7000.
Not saying that this is the way to go, just what I did.
I know the overwhelming project issue, I'm up to my neck with two at present.

Al

oldkayaker · « **Reply #27 on:** May 13, 2006, 03:25:53 PM »

I have a David Vizard book, but its ISBN number is 0-89586-365-0. The title is "How to Hotrod Your 2.0-Liter Ford". It was copyrighted in 1984 so it is dated but still interesting. It shows some good detail on head porting. This is one of the HP book series. It is out print now, but I fond a listing for it at "http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=1-0895863650-1" for $7.98. I have no experience with this site, so no guarantees.
Jerry J.

UltimatePinto · « **Reply #28 on:** May 13, 2006, 04:58:14 PM »

The one I have is titled, "How To Modify Ford S.O.H.C. Engines", by Fountain Press Ltd,
Fountain House
2 Gladstone Road
Kingstone upon Thames
Surrey KT1 3ND

First published 1984, reprinted 1990 - 92 - 95 - 99. I got mine from Walsh in Florida and I think that they are still available. They show up on E-Bay from time to time. An excellent how to book in my most humble opinion.

It more than likely is the same text as yours. The porting configurations are quite extensive. I loaned the book to the shop that did the work on a head I purchased from Jerry Walsh when he was in New York.

How closely they followed Mr Vizard's advice I don't know but when I heard the jump from six to seven grand from my 2 liter, while it was on the dyno, my heart was flying. It's like it turned into a mini dragon ! ! !

It seems as though the 2000 has fallen by the wayside in comparison to the 2300's. I've pissed & moaned that I would never try to build another one because of imagined parts shortage or my just being too lazy to get off my duff and look, but I do have another cylinder head and WELLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLL , ya never know.

I understand that with all the right combinations, they could put out 200 HP. The biggest limitation being the valve train. Don't think I'll ever reach that goal but that's what dreams are made of.

Al

pintoracer02 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 15, 2006, 07:55:52 AM »

read the IEC Catalog in the bric-a-brac section it says 195 horsepower at the bottom of the catalog.

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