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Re: New car !
« Reply #390 on: May 25, 2018, 07:40:28 PM »
Funny you should mention what Horse I rode in on........ it was a BAWS 302 Pinto !


Yup, finally had it out on the road !
Stupid horse power !
Fast !
Also gets about 6 mpg  ;D
Love the smell of VP C-111 gas burning !

Bugs though... speedo cable takes a sharp 90 & it only lasted about 10 miles. Need to get a 90 adapter to fix.
Also lost 1st & second. Thinking shift fork. I'll know more in a week or so......

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Re: New car !
« Reply #391 on: May 25, 2018, 11:21:33 PM »
Funny you should mention what Horse I rode in on........ it was a BAWS 302 Pinto !


Yup, finally had it out on the road !
Stupid horse power !
Fast !
Also gets about 6 mpg  ;D
Love the smell of VP C-111 gas burning !

Bugs though... speedo cable takes a sharp 90 & it only lasted about 10 miles. Need to get a 90 adapter to fix.
Also lost 1st & second. Thinking shift fork. I'll know more in a week or so......

BUT... you had it out on the road!  Well done!

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Re: New car !
« Reply #392 on: June 01, 2018, 07:55:01 AM »
K&N says no off set filter base for me. Looks like I have to make one........?

Too much HP for a Super T-10. Broke the flange on the main shaft. Page 11 has an exploded parts page: https://www.richmondgear.com/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/richmond/UPGRADED_SUPER_T10_MANUAL_v2.pdf


If anyone knows of a person with parts, please let me know.

I also need a 90 degree adapter for my speedo cable.

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Re: New car !
« Reply #393 on: June 04, 2018, 05:22:05 PM »
Tracked down a Top Loader & it turns out it was out of my car before I bought it !
Pick it up in a few days & will have it re-built.
With luck back on the road after the 20th.

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Re: New car !
« Reply #394 on: June 29, 2018, 05:30:07 AM »
I pick the Top Loader up this morning.

$800.00 for it & $875.00 ish to have it re-built. 

Guess that will teach me for using a weak trans thinking I could get away with it due to a light weight car !

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Re: New car !
« Reply #395 on: July 02, 2018, 06:56:24 AM »
I have two sets of shifter rods (one set is for a Top Loader).
I have 6 shifter arms (that bolt to trans) and not one will work on this Top Loader !
So I have to order new ones.....anoth er delay !


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« Reply #396 on: July 02, 2018, 10:30:08 AM »
A trans with a STRONG reputation! Is this Toploader a close (2.32) or wide (2.78) ratio version? Generally the wide ratio version is preferable.  Unfortunately the early Tigers (like mine) came with the close ratio.

 As noted in your post Toploaders aren't cheap.  Jeep used a version in their trucks from 80-96 in three different ratios.  I was hoping to pick up a wider ratio (actually Jeep's close ratio) cheap at a Pick Your Part (about $100) but after looking for around 15 years and only ever finding one..., it had the wrong gears (not the T-178, 3.01 1st gear I desired).

Glad to see this project is getting near the end. Enjoy.

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« Reply #397 on: July 03, 2018, 06:16:53 AM »
Wide ratio

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« Reply #398 on: July 03, 2018, 07:21:47 PM »
Nice. I have heard some of the Cobra racers prefer the close ratio gears and have swapped with Tiger owners. I have not had that fortunate of an offer.

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Re: New car !
« Reply #399 on: July 04, 2018, 06:11:15 AM »
I envy you owning a Tiger !

Took 4 days , lots of head scratching & calls to Long Shifters to get the shifter working properly.

Put it together as Long Shifters said & it wasn't even close to working.

Did my way & got all working as it should.

Doing some other small jobs, painting the trans & may have it all back together today.....?

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« Reply #400 on: July 04, 2018, 06:14:03 AM »
FYI - guy on the BOSS 302 forum is selling his Tiger :

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I passed up a pair back in the early 80s......for 3k.  DUH !

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Re: New car !
« Reply #401 on: July 05, 2018, 07:39:09 AM »
Bench fit shifter - all good.
Remove shifter & install trans.
Go to install shifter......a nd it will not work.
Took some measurements.. .. that I should have before....and the mounting plate is about an inch farther ahead than it was on the T-10.

Have to buy or make a new plate.....and pull the trans. Again.

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« Reply #402 on: July 07, 2018, 06:21:07 AM »
Shifter mounting plate was 3 3/8" different.

Got some aluminum plate in town & made a new one. Looks & worked like factory.

Everything back in / on car.

Exhaust hangers this morning & road ready again.......ex cept I may not have time to drive it.
Many home things to do before work starts up again.....

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Re: New car !
« Reply #403 on: July 10, 2018, 06:28:27 AM »
Well, that didn't last long.....

First hard shift into 2nd & felt something go wrong. It's stuck in 2nd - but I can still shift into 1st. When I ease the clutch out it acts like it locks up the trans (like brakes on).
I can also shift in / out of 3 & 4.

I'll be inspecting the shifter today - hope I just forgot to tighten a bolt of nut.

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« Reply #404 on: July 10, 2018, 07:31:25 AM »
its prob the shifter , you can not go into two gears at the same time without locking up the trans and the whole drivetrain , also you should not be able to move shift levers 1 and 2 aganst 3 and 4 , because of a pin in the middle (if its in place ) from doing so , if you can bring it back to where you Ooverhauled it to put it in if you can move both at the same time , they are offten left out my mistake and not safe to do so ,
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« Reply #405 on: July 10, 2018, 03:00:30 PM »
Called the place that rebuilt it & I have to take it back in.

Likely going to have a new longer input shaft installed as well.

Car will be down for a while. Maybe the rest of the summer......

Shifter is off the trans. Using a wrench I can shift it into first & neutral. Not into second. Still stuck in second. Locks the trans up when shifted into first.
Same for 3 & 4.

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« Reply #406 on: July 10, 2018, 04:01:56 PM »
what you have is a trans out of a big block ford , you may have to change the clutch disk because the input spline is smaller , the ratio is diffrent also , but that was almost 45 years ago when I done it , I also had the short shaft and found that over a short time the trans would pop out of high gear , it was the pilot bushing wearing out because the shaft was in it less than half way , at higher rpm when you shift the shaft would be clamped of center rolling the shift colloer of the input shaft , the fix was a spacer and a ball bearing , I think you have the wide ratio trans , 3.32  and the small blocks took the 2.78 first gear ratio , could be wrong , after over 40 years you tend to forget  :o
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« Reply #407 on: July 10, 2018, 05:11:23 PM »
Could be wrong but I thought the Toploaders were all 2.78 (wide) or 2.32 (close). The Big Blocks did get a thicker input shaft. Length may be different too.

Lots of stuff out there. Try David Kee for info. http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/idchart1.htm or, Dan Williams http://www.toploadertransmissions.com/toploaderinfo.html or, http://www.5speeds.com/toploader.html or,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Toploader_transmission

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« Reply #408 on: July 10, 2018, 08:36:13 PM »
Yes on the thicker , but also shorter , that is what I came across one time , you may have to use a spacer also ,
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« Reply #409 on: July 11, 2018, 06:17:42 AM »
Found the David Kee site yesterday. The site shows the longer input shafts.

Going to search the tag on trans to see what comes up - today.

Right now I have an extended pilot bushing in place. Going to get the longer input & replace the bushing with a "normal" bearing.

Talked with the trans shop that rebuilt it. He has never seen or heard of a Top Loader doing this & suspects it may have 2nd gear seized on the main shaft. Which is un-likely. It's new.

When it's discovered what is wrong I'll up-date.

I'm also going to order a new mounting plate for the shifter, along with another set of shift arms for the trans. (the ones that bolt to trans). This is the inline shifter by Long Shifters.

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« Reply #410 on: July 11, 2018, 09:50:26 AM »
The shifter I used was a Mr Gasket V-Gate inline shifter , used it for years untel some High as a kite POS ran into it ,Totaled ,  some top loaders had two postions to install the shifter on the tail shaft houing , some only had one , fwd or rearward , I used the rearward holes and the shifter boot covered the huge hole just right and in stock location , I was lucky back then because we had a warehouse next to the speed shop and they were alway borowing our forklift so they would let me try the diffrent shifter set ups to try , and also never heard a top jam up like that ,
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« Reply #411 on: July 12, 2018, 06:11:34 AM »
Something told me to double check measurements on the input shaft.

There is an inch inside the extended pilot bushing. So it's OK.

Going to pull the trans apart today......

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« Reply #412 on: July 22, 2018, 06:24:38 AM »
Took a video of the trans problems - but have not found a way to post it.

Ended up taking it back to the place that re-built it. Warranty.

It's done & they have no idea how or why the 2nd gear syncro got jammed into the gear, locking it up.

Picking it up Monday.

Also sent an e-mail to Long Shifters asking for the right shift arms part numbers. No reply yet.

Been looking at the Hurst Street Super Shifter......

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« Reply #413 on: July 25, 2018, 03:33:59 PM »
Well, that didn't last long.....

First hard shift into 2nd & felt something go wrong. It's stuck in 2nd - but I can still shift into 1st. When I ease the clutch out it acts like it locks up the trans (like brakes on).
I can also shift in / out of 3 & 4.

I'll be inspecting the shifter today - hope I just forgot to tighten a bolt of nut.
I had the same type of problem happen to me with a previous Mustang/Toploader about 20 years ago.
Long story short, the original case got broken and the whole trans was replaced with a used one of unknown history. Shortly thereafter I was in a parking lot and it did what yours did; went into second gear and back into first, but 2nd stayed engaged. IIRC one of the rail detents inside had fallen out. Trans wasn't damaged, but it was a big PITA for such a small part.

The Big Blocks did get a thicker input shaft. Length may be different too.
390GT toploaders did not get close ratios nor the big shaft option; it looks like a smallblock part with a shorter pilot. Big shaft boxes came behind 427/428/Boss engines and as a result are a lot less common and a LOT more expensive.
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Re: New car !
« Reply #414 on: July 26, 2018, 11:38:56 AM »

It seems that ANY Toploader isn't cheap these day($1,500-$3,000). Well, excluding the 3 speeds and the SROD.  My Tiger has the close ratio, older bolt pattern with a 5 bolt bellhousing (5 bolt 289). I had hoped to find a wide ratio but not at current prices. 2.32 close, 2.78wide are the 1st gear ratios.  Some people had considered the overdrive Granada/truck Toploader for the late 70's - upward. But the 1st gear ratio is 3.29 (too low) in one version and because it reaches an overdrive level the gear spread has some rather large jumps.


For about 15 years now I have searched the self serve yards for an 80-86 Jeep truck that used a Toploader (T-178). Had I found one it would have been about $100. It had a 3.01 first and was non-overdrive. The ratio spread was decent.  It probably falls into the "Hens Teeth" catagory. In all that time I think I found two Jeep truck of that vintage that weren't Automatics. One was 4X4 (and the wrong ratio). the other was a standard Toploader but again the wrong ratio. The T-176 and T-177 seems to be popular with the Jeep crowd because of their low 1st gear. So, I thought the T-178 would be a "get rid of" trans..., but nope. Seems it was rare to begin with and not to be found today.


A T-5 seems a cheaper proposition for the Tiger at this point. But there I need a pricy dual pattern scatter shield or a cast iron dual pattern Ford bellhousing for the 5 bolt 289. The window is pretty narrow when the world class started ('86) and the point where they change ('94). I can't seem to ever find those desireable T-5's at Pick Your Part anymore.  I think time passes quickly as we get older and "WHAT..., the '88 Turbo Coupe arrangement in my Pinto is 30 years old!!!"  That TC was only 6 years old when I got it.

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« Reply #415 on: July 26, 2018, 12:14:38 PM »
There are adapters to fit a T5 onto your narrow Toploader bellhousing. Another middle ground option would be to find a wide ratio gearset and put it in your original narrow case. Just thinking out loud.
Tremec 3550s and TKOs use the wide toploader pattern, but they cost at least as much as Toploaders now.
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« Reply #416 on: August 08, 2018, 07:29:18 PM »
Had the car out for a very short drive.......mo re "bugs".
Older Brother suggested using Raid     .......  LOL !

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« Reply #417 on: November 05, 2018, 08:38:37 PM »
Reeves1, your car rules!


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« Reply #418 on: November 26, 2018, 07:55:07 AM »
Wanted a lower profile tire on the front, but the ones I want will not work on the wide 5 1/2" wheels I have. So I bought a set of 15 x 3 1/2"






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« Reply #419 on: December 23, 2018, 06:20:01 AM »
They came in & look good !

But in one picture you can make out rubber on the bead area ?

Easy way to clean that off ?