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Title: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on September 26, 2011, 02:26:30 PM: My New Toy for 2011 - The Pangra

built from the mail order kits available in the 70's

2.0L Turbo Motor was pulled a few years back for the upgraded V8 in it now

I have the 2.0L Turbo Motor and was part of the deal when I purchased it

This one shall stay a V8 but that turbo motor may find it's way into my other 73

if you want to see more ~> http://www.cookieboystoys.com/friends/pangra.htm (http://www.cookieboystoys.com/friends/pangra.htm)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: blupinto on September 26, 2011, 05:55:26 PM: Brian, that car is SO SWEET!!! Cookie Monster must be giving you good JuJu in return for good cookies... ::)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on September 26, 2011, 08:31:36 PM: Thanks Becky, it's scares Cookie Monster, he won't ride in it... ::) ;)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: blupinto on September 27, 2011, 06:04:37 PM: WHAT!?! After all those chocolate chip cookies he scarfed down!? I don't believe it! Riding in that Green Bullet would go so nicely with his chocolate-fueled caffeine rush. :lol:
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on September 27, 2011, 07:11:10 PM: I think Animal is the muppet for this one, finally get to pull him out of the box...
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Pinturbo75 on September 27, 2011, 10:17:09 PM: lol,,,, i have that one too!!!!! he hangs out in the music room with the drums in my shop.....
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on September 28, 2011, 07:21:50 AM: Quote from: Pinturbo75 on September 27, 2011, 10:17:09 PM
lol,,,, i have that one too!!!!!

Wow! I found him on Ebay a few years ago, been in the box since.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Pinturbo75 on September 28, 2011, 07:37:35 AM: i found mine in a car at the junkyard.... you should have seen the look on the guys face when i put him on the counter and said, how much for the doll?????
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on September 28, 2011, 07:57:40 AM: Quote from: Pinturbo75 on September 28, 2011, 07:37:35 AM
you should have seen the look on the guys face when i put him on the counter and said, how much for the doll? ??? ?

Haha! I'll bet that was funny :)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Reeves1 on September 28, 2011, 09:27:20 PM: Like the headers on that car.
Didn't know Headman made them though ! Look custom made ?
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on September 29, 2011, 07:43:13 AM: Hey Reeves1, I have seen them before, made to fit with standard motormounts and standard location is my guess. Since this has the motor plate they wern't required but yes, they look awesome.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Pinto5.0 on September 29, 2011, 09:56:45 PM: Quote from: Reeves1 on September 28, 2011, 09:27:20 PM
Like the headers on that car.
Didn't know Headman made them though ! Look custom made ?

There was a set of flat collector headers on Ebay this year but I believe they specified either 351C or 302 Boss so they made several versions. Price was $300 or so if I remember right & they were never used.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Reeves1 on September 29, 2011, 09:57:45 PM: I got to look at the original headers that were on the B2 when it was in my car. Beat up bad & the guy wants way too much for them.
Turns out they have a stamp on them: JR Headers.
I Googled lots & have yet to find the company. I would think they kept the "plans" on what they built & could make another set ?
Ever heard of them ?

Last quote I got for new custom made in Alberta Canada was minimum $3800.00.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Reeves1 on September 29, 2011, 09:59:57 PM: Quote from: Pinto5.0 on September 29, 2011, 09:56:45 PM

There was a set of flat collector headers on Ebay this year but I believe they specified either 351C or 302 Boss so they made several versions. Price was $300 or so if I remember right & they were never used.

Going to try & find them now..... if you have more info I'd really like to hear from you !
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Pinto5.0 on September 30, 2011, 07:14:07 PM: Quote from: Reeves1 on September 29, 2011, 09:59:57 PM
Going to try & find them now..... if you have more info I'd really like to hear from you !

They were listed earlier this year. It's been a good 5 months cause I've been with my current GF 4 months & I saw them before I met her.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Srt on October 01, 2011, 03:22:00 AM: Quote from: Reeves1 on September 29, 2011, 09:57:45 PM
I got to look at the original headers that were on the B2 when it was in my car. Beat up bad & the guy wants way too much for them.
Turns out they have a stamp on them: JR Headers.
I Googled lots & have yet to find the company. I would think they kept the "plans" on what they built & could make another set ?
Ever heard of them ?

Last quote I got for new custom made in Alberta Canada was minimum $3800.00.

http://www.jegs.com/p/JR-Race-Car/JR-Race-Car-Exhaust-Headers/1528511/10002/-1 (http://www.jegs.com/p/JR-Race-Car/JR-Race-Car-Exhaust-Headers/1528511/10002/-1)

Don't know how current there listings will be. I would not be surprised if they stopped making them years ago.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Reeves1 on October 02, 2011, 01:26:18 PM: Found some. Says an engine plate is required. No picture of it. Will call them Monday....

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HED-85602/Application/?prefilter=1
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: 79prostreet on October 02, 2011, 03:29:55 PM: The set of headers from summit is the same set I have for sale, any questions call me 605 335 7993 Bud ( mine are new )
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on October 02, 2011, 04:22:38 PM: Quote from: Reeves1 on October 02, 2011, 01:26:18 PM
Found some. Says an engine plate is required.

motor plate installed on the Pangra, I sent you pics... didn't I?
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Reeves1 on October 02, 2011, 06:14:58 PM: Quote from: Cookieboystoys on October 02, 2011, 04:22:38 PM
motor plate installed on the Pangra, I sent you pics... didn't I?

Yup, you sent pictures. Hard to really see what they look like though, with them mounted in the car with the engine.

79 prostreet - we traded PMs before. Never did get pictures. Yours are the 2" meant for Clevor heads (BOSS 302) ? I had thought yours were the smaller ones for a 302w ?
Take pictures of them & with a proper measurement of tube size. Would also need a good picture of the port flange (where it bolts to the head), that shows the shape. I have read your sale ads & no mention of which engine they fit. Nor that a person needs the special engine mounts to use them. (we also talked on the phone)
To be honest, I'd rather deal with a business. Even if it would cost double +. If I bought yours, and they didn't fit......

If I get that style, after a fitting I would get them ceramic coated.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Pinto5.0 on October 02, 2011, 09:27:37 PM: Quote from: Reeves1 on October 02, 2011, 01:26:18 PM
Found some. Says an engine plate is required. No picture of it. Will call them Monday....

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HED-85602/Application/?prefilter=1 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HED-85602/Application/?prefilter=1)

Yep, thats the set I saw on Ebay. I didn't know they still make them but I knew the ad said Boss 302. They used to be called "flat collector headers" in the old days.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Reeves1 on October 03, 2011, 07:41:25 AM: It is going to be a busy day, but I'll post an up-date after I call them on the phone.
My 2007 F-350 died at work & I had to trailer it to the local Ford dealer. I have to go in & hand my keys to them & generally hang out being a pest till they find out what is wrong/broke. Drive line still under warranty. But what is wrong/broke may not be.....so I want to keep an eye on them so they do not spend my money ! I may be able to get the part at the junk yard & fix it myself for less.
I strongly dislike new vehicles computers.....

edit:

Got the truck fixed. It was the FICM. No idea what or where it is, but it was stuck open. Warranty covered.

Got home & called the Summit tech support. He said yes, they will work on my car. But they do not stock the headers or motor mounts. They call Headman, order them & when they come in ship to the person. May try & get direct from Headman.....
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Reeves1 on October 04, 2011, 12:00:43 PM: I sent an e-mail to Headman Headers, asking if they are still making them.
Reply:

Quote
Dear Sir...I'm sorry but these hedders have been discontinued.. .Thanx for inquiring!

Cookieboystoys : Really sorry for being sort of off topic in your topic !
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on October 04, 2011, 12:28:14 PM: Quote from: Reeves1 on October 04, 2011, 12:00:43 PM
Cookieboystoys : Really sorry for being sort of off topic in your topic !

okey dokey :)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Pintopower on October 10, 2011, 03:53:01 PM: So when are you going to drive that out here so it can be reunited with its family? I'll be waiting in Betty:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2431/4102076292_6f7b34d6fe_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on October 10, 2011, 06:59:07 PM: Quote from: Pintopower on October 10, 2011, 03:53:01 PM
So when are you going to drive that out here...

I would have to take out a loan... at 14mpg... gonna be a big loan :o
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: 79prostreet on October 10, 2011, 07:32:47 PM: just desire to settle some dust. the headers I have fit a sbf like my post said ( 1 1/8 x 1 3/4 ) ports, not the bigger clevor style heads. I bought them off ebay and had no idea they required a plate for use until this post. If someone feels I'm trying to mislead I am not, was just unaware, sorry for any misleadings. I have changed my headers for sale post to tell of the need for an engine plate.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Norman Bagi on October 10, 2011, 08:17:20 PM: Brian, When you gonna let me take her for a spin. :'(
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on October 11, 2011, 06:59:48 AM: Norm, you have to wait till next year... it's in storage for the long winter :'(
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Pintaro on October 13, 2011, 05:29:13 PM: Hey Brian, Nice Pangra. I just picked up my 11th pinto today.Already set up with a 302 with the headers still hooked to the mufflers
Mike
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on October 13, 2011, 05:48:19 PM: Hey Mike, good to hear from ya... now I just need to find me a Pinto on a 4x4 frame and a Pinchero ;D

then I'll be back up to 11 ::) :o (oh goodness)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: CherryCherryPintoCoupe on November 23, 2011, 12:09:27 PM: Are you going to put some meshies like they used to have on em or you gonna keep those cragars?
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 23, 2011, 12:36:01 PM: Quote from: CherryCherryPintoCoupe on November 23, 2011, 12:09:27 PM
Are you going to put some meshies like they used to have on em or you gonna keep those cragars?

I'm thinking aluminum slots
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 27, 2011, 06:25:15 PM: Quote from: Cookieboystoys on October 10, 2011, 06:59:07 PM
I would have to take out a loan... at 14mpg... gonna be a big loan :o
There was ONE '74 Pinto Pangra turbo wagon built by Huntington Ford for a rich Asian Gentleman from Los Angeles, it did not have the center console or gauges, but was a "legit" Pinto Pangra. It was Orange to begin with.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 27, 2011, 06:29:08 PM: Are you sure you Dad didn't get a "Factory" Pangra? I don't remember us selling ANY of the center consoles with the digital tach and gauges to customers who built their own kits. I think on may have gone to Canada (the console) but we had a real shortage of parts and kept those in reserve for the "dealer" built cars, which also got the RARE Pangra badges. I only had a few of those diecast Pangra emblems for my personal use. It was very strange seeing the pictures of myself as a youngster building the original Pangra at Frieght Container, ah those were the days.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 27, 2011, 08:10:21 PM: I'm not actually positive on any of the facts on the V8 Pangra I bought this year...

son told me dad built it, dad passed a few years ago... they didn't buy it new but had it by the mid/early 70's

I know the DSO code for this one was Illinios as I recall, not a california Pinto. I have seen a few of the California Pangras in person and except the front seats it sure does look correct for a Huntington build but... when the family says it was built here and the DSO confirms it's not a California Pinto... what can I say unless someone comes forward, that worked at Huntington, to say they recall this car getting built for someone out East (Illinois or Minnesota) I gotta go with Built from a kit???
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Srt on November 28, 2011, 03:18:27 AM: Quote from: Cookieboystoys on November 27, 2011, 08:10:21 PM
I'm not actually positive on any of the facts on the V8 Pangra I bought this year...

son told me dad built it, dad passed a few years ago... they didn't buy it new but had it by the mid/early 70's

I know the DSO code for this one was Illinios as I recall, not a california Pinto. I have seen a few of the California Pangras in person and except the front seats it sure does look correct for a Huntington build but... when the family says it was built here and the DSO confirms it's not a California Pinto... what can I say unless someone comes forward, that worked at Huntington, to say they recall this car getting built for someone out East (Illinois or Minnesota) I gotta go with Built from a kit???

I didn't do it! The only ones I touched were all 2.0 litre 4 bangers
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 28, 2011, 07:57:29 AM: It did have a 2.0L turbo... the V8 is a recent addition

Jack Stratton has seen pics and said... never would have done a green one..
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 28, 2011, 01:21:29 PM: you are correct, if it was not a "California" car then Huntington Ford didn't do it and it came from a kit. We did however have a midwest dealer that could get most all if not all parts to build a Pangra, i think he was in Chicago area. LOL, yeah, Jack would be right also, i don't remember seeing ANY green Dealer built Pangras. Silver, Black, Red and Yellow seemed to be fav colors. I think a customer ordered a candy blue one, but that may have been a repaint later. I orginally did a fair amount of the builds and front end installs at Frieght Container and then moved over to Huntington Ford to Manage the Pangra project, after Jack "left" I took it over completely until it's demise. EPA and CARB put Huntington Ford OUT of the custom car business. I ended up buying a couple of the Pangras after the fact, the Gold Bee Drag Car and the Original Black dealer demo that i drove while working at Huntington Ford. My wife also had a Pangra "kit" on her Pinto (well girlfriend then) which is how i met her. No matter whether they came from Huntingtion Ford or were built from kits the Pangra's were kick butt cars :-).
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 28, 2011, 01:35:43 PM: Quote from: George Davis on November 28, 2011, 01:21:29 PM
We did however have a midwest dealer that could get most all if not all parts to build a Pangra, i think he was in Chicago area.

If I recall correctly... the DSO code was for Chicago... I wonder who that dealer was? I could maybe confirm the dealer that sold the car was the one doing the conversions and that would answer the question as to why it looks so correct (dash and badges) without being a California - Huntington Ford Car
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 28, 2011, 01:47:16 PM: I'll see if i can dig up the name somewhere, most of the records were lost/destroyed after Mr. Hoke pulled the plug on Pangra and decided to sell off the name, molds and original parts that were left. The ONLY way someone with a kit would get the emblems and dash would to be an "authorized Pangra builder/Dealer". Jack was very smart about getting a trademark on the name and design and we kept those emblems in a locked cabinet at Huntington Ford. We also delivered a Pangra to Vel's Parnelli Jones Ford and one to a high performance Ford dealer in Phoenix Az. that was driven out there by me and used as a pace car at Manzania oval dirt track out there. The guy from Chicago was supposed to buy around 100 kit's but i think he only got 2 or 3. Frieght Container had a couple left over after the project as well which is where i got my "street " front end for the Gold Bee as it had the non functioning race front end on it when i got it. Scott at Frieght Container wanted the original prototype front end from the Gold Bee back and i traded him that and some cash for the new nose. Dang, funny how certain things bring back long forgotten memories...... ... ;-)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 28, 2011, 02:55:49 PM: Quote from: George Davis on November 28, 2011, 01:47:16 PM
I'll see if i can dig up the name somewhere

The ONLY way someone with a kit would get the emblems and dash would to be an "authorized Pangra builder/Dealer".

it would be nice to confirm if this car was built by an authorized Pangra dealer, this is the 1st I have ever heard of someplace other than Huntington Ford to get one pre-built. I may just have to get the Marti/ fords 999 report and see if I can identify the original dealership that sold this... I have gotten the impression from the son that the car was purchased as a Pangra and they did their own mods as the years went by. The family was known for building race engines
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 28, 2011, 05:15:02 PM: I'm guessing this dealership built the car minus the Recaro's as they and the dash would be seperate. As you can see from the brochure there was no mention of the dash,gauges or recaros in kit form, and we were again, very strict about badging on non "REAL" Huntington Ford built Pangras. I've tried to attach pictures of the brochure and the Gold Bee Race Car as well as the letter i sent to potential dealers. The black Pangra was my daily driver / demo car.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 28, 2011, 06:36:17 PM: confirmened - Canadian built DSO code was 41 and Chicago for a destination

it's that badge and the dash kit that have me questioning the origin of this one. I know neither were available outside of Huntington Ford so how did they end up on this one. If you can remember the name of that chicago dealer.... maybe, just maybe... I can find out more ?
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 29, 2011, 12:26:08 AM: I'm with you, the badging and dash are a outside the norm. I have a folder on Pangra stuff, i'll see if I can find anything on authorized dealers, with Huntington Ford even gone now it's likely we may never find "documentation" on this car. But I can say that NO kit while i was there ever got a dash as that digital Tach was so rare we didn't have spares to fix any that went out in the Dealer cars and had to remove them and send out to a circuit board guru to try and get them fixed. When we started the Pangra Owners Association some of the people in the club who had kits tried to buy badges and we didn't sell any. There is only one "kit" Pangra i know of that got the badges, it was green 2door and belonged to my then girlfriend (now wife). I'd have to say as a builder, manager and seller of Pangra and Pangra parts that this car is a Dealer car. There would probably not be a "factory" window sticker, BUT, the selling Ford Dealer would have a Pangra letterhead listing all the options, costs and end price of car with options as an most did in those days when providing "extra" options like mag wheels and and sound systems and custom paint. It would be a "window Sticker" in addenum to the Factory one. This car should also have the suspension kit with koni's and a front and rear sway bar, the recommended american slot 7" mags and recommended Conti radials. Also keep in mind as with any collector car, there were "one off's" for "Friends of", which means you could get whipped cream on your hot fudge sunday if you knew the right person. Supposedly my (Huntington Ford's ) Black Demo car was the only one with the smoked rear vented windows (pain in the butt and leaked) and "fuel altered type" wing on it, but I had a friend who bought an original Pangra and i got him one thru Performance Specialties in Arcadia. We also had a Sheriff's deputy that got a silver car that we put a weber carb in place of the original motorcraft. Unfortunetly there were not very good records kept on serial numbers etc of the cars that were built. There was talk of doing a separate vin plate like Shelby's , but that never got off the ground. For all extent and purposes we GUARDED those Pangra Badges like they were Shelby vin plates and those were used to verify a "true" Pangra.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Reeves1 on November 29, 2011, 05:56:31 AM: Cookie - Very cool you are getting first hand info on your car !
Wish I could track down the builder of mine !
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 29, 2011, 08:05:29 AM: Quote from: George Davis on November 29, 2011, 12:26:08 AM
This car should also have the suspension kit with koni's and a front and rear sway bar, the recommended american slot 7" mags and recommended Conti radials.

With the rear end swap and the V8 installed I know the rear springs have been replaced and any front sway bar had to be removed and the front end looks to have been raised for the wrap under headers and milodon oil pan clearance. Unlikely the Coni shocks have stayed with the car but have the 2 best pics of the shocks front and rear posted.

This was another interesting item, similar to the badge and dash.... I have 4 slots that were original with the car. 2 of the tires have been replaced but the other 2 are Continenials. The wheels have a "shelby" centercap?
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Pintopower on November 29, 2011, 12:11:44 PM: George Davis : We need to talk. I just sent you a personal message here on FP.com
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 29, 2011, 01:03:48 PM: that sounds correct, some had Shelby center caps some had American center caps, we bought them from a local speed shop in Arcadia on Balwin Blvd.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 29, 2011, 01:17:16 PM: Quote from: George Davis on November 29, 2011, 01:03:48 PM
some had Shelby center caps some had American center caps....

gads! I was happy just thinking this was built from a kit...

NOW! I have to know the true details (haha) on where this car came from and who / where was it built!
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 29, 2011, 01:24:09 PM: I'm with you, I think your car is pretty rare and it would be cool to find original build details.
I would LOVE to find my former "Gold Bee" Dealer race car. Good luck and if i hear/find anything else out about your car i'll sure let you know, like wise if you do, please let me know!!
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 29, 2011, 02:05:47 PM: Quote from: George Davis on November 29, 2011, 12:26:08 AM
Supposedly my (Huntington Ford's ) Black Demo car was the only one with the smoked rear vented windows (pain in the butt and leaked) and "fuel altered type" wing on it....

I think you may want to talk with Brad (turbopinto72)

(his profile = http://www.fordpinto.com/profile/?u=12 )

I think one of his Pangra's had a wing mounted on it at one time and is supposed to be an "early" pangra, maybe the one you are talking about....
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 29, 2011, 03:08:14 PM: Thanks, Brad and I have chatted and i am 99.99% sure his car was my/Huntington Ford's Dealer Demo car that we used to take customers up on the 210 fwy and scare the snot out of them with. In the case of "TRUE" disclosure, i have to admit, it was VERY much breathed on and in fact did 147 at the then new Ontario speedway with i believe Swede Savage driving it. It had more boost and a teaked A.K.Miller 2 liter(yeah well over bored) in it. It was the car most used in testing and magazine articles for Pangra. Were most stock Pangra's pushed about 250 hp this one was close to 350hp. When i last owned it in the Late 70's, early 80's, it had nitrous. First owner it had that i know of was John Giles from Irvine, he sold it too me, i had to sell to guy from Alhambra, then i bought it back and it then went to I believe the Los Angeles area. lost track after that.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Pintopower on November 29, 2011, 03:10:20 PM: Brian,

Do the Mardi Auto Works report on the car. I did and it confirmed it was a H. F. ordered car.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 29, 2011, 06:50:56 PM: Quote from: Pintopower on November 29, 2011, 03:10:20 PM
Brian,

Do the Mardi Auto Works report on the car.

done, ordered the deluxe report
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: CherryCherryPintoCoupe on November 29, 2011, 09:37:37 PM: Quote from: Cookieboystoys on November 23, 2011, 12:36:01 PM
I'm thinking aluminum slots
Slots rule
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Srt on November 30, 2011, 12:49:03 AM: Quote from: George Davis on November 29, 2011, 01:03:48 PM
that sounds correct, some had Shelby center caps some had American center caps, we bought them from a local speed shop in Arcadia on Balwin Blvd.

If I remember correctly; the tires / wheels were sourced from Performance Specialties.

Brian, can you get a 'good' shot of the tread on those Continentals?
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Srt on November 30, 2011, 12:55:41 AM: Quote from: George Davis on November 29, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
I'm with you, I think your car is pretty rare and it would be cool to find original build details.
I would LOVE to find my former "Gold Bee" Dealer race car. Good luck and if i hear/find anything else out about your car i'll sure let you know, like wise if you do, please let me know!!

I want to find the blue Bonneville car or, the motor that was in it (there is a pic of the motor in one of the 'files' here on the site)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 30, 2011, 09:19:28 AM: Quote from: Srt on November 30, 2011, 12:49:03 AM

If I remember correctly; the tires / wheels were sourced from Performance Specialties.

Brian, can you get a 'good' shot of the tread on those Continentals?

attached
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 30, 2011, 09:26:40 AM: tire/ wheel combo looks correct from here.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 30, 2011, 09:50:26 AM: Quote from: George Davis on November 30, 2011, 09:26:40 AM
tire/ wheel combo looks correct from here.

doesn't match what is pictured here http://www.cookieboystoys.com/vintage%20pinto/pangra.htm (http://www.cookieboystoys.com/vintage%20pinto/pangra.htm)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 30, 2011, 10:25:48 AM: the tread pattern and even wheels changed over a period of time. A couple of cars had Ronal Wheels and mitchelins. Pick was from one of the early cars for marketing and sales. Of course local dealer could have sourced "similar" combo from local performace chain. As long as they had spec's right it wouldn't be a deal breaker to subsitute a "like" brand. I do see the difference in tread from one to the other from the pictures.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Srt on November 30, 2011, 08:16:58 PM: Quote from: Cookieboystoys on October 10, 2011, 06:59:07 PM
I would have to take out a loan... at 14mpg... gonna be a big loan :o
put a high gear in the rear and cruise on out at 100mph
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on November 30, 2011, 09:24:13 PM: Quote from: Srt on November 30, 2011, 08:16:58 PM
put a high gear in the rear and cruise on out at 100mph

has 411s and a t5 but with about 400hp at the crank ain't much you can do about the gas milage I suppose ;)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on November 30, 2011, 10:49:19 PM: As for the different type of wheels on certain cars, we had a couple sets of the Ronal true magnesium wheels on Pangras at one time. They looked a lot like the wheels on this '65 Shelby R model we were putting back together and painting after a bad crash. This would give you an idea of the style, if found THESE are very rare. We didn't standardize on them form Pangra as we couldn't get them balanced properly to stop bump steer and steering wheel shake at 80 to 100 mph, so went back to the slots.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Bigtimmay on November 30, 2011, 11:30:36 PM: Quote from: Cookieboystoys on November 30, 2011, 09:24:13 PM
has 411s and a t5 but with about 400hp at the crank ain't much you can do about the gas milage I suppose ;)

Sure there is Run a 3.73 rear gear or even a 3.55 and ditch the high compression carb motor for Low compression EFI motor and a turbo. LOL Then it could be 400Hp at the rear wheels quite easily and 18-20 MPG. ;D Plus then it could be the big brother to its orginal Ak miller setup! LOL
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on December 01, 2011, 08:16:30 AM: Quote from: Bigtimmay on November 30, 2011, 11:30:36 PM
Plus then it could be the big brother to its orginal Ak miller setup!

I have the original 2.0L turbo motor for it, if I were to swap that would be the motor to go back in :)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on December 02, 2011, 05:12:46 PM: Hey George, got the Marti report and it says... special ordered and sold by...

SCHMERLER FORD INC
1200 BUSSE RD

ELK GROVE VILLAGE IL 60007
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on December 02, 2011, 08:14:30 PM: WOW, Elkgrove sounds REAL familiar. I remember a guy from Elkgrove Village (?), took him out for wine/dine at a local club when he was out discussing "dealer" status, the reason I remember the Elkgrove part is 'cause the guy looked like he should be hunting Elk, flannell shirt, big red haired guy and MAN did he like to drink. Pre drinks i took him out on the 210 fwy in the Black Demo car and showed him the high side of 100 mph. Wish we still had some documentation to prove he was legit.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on December 02, 2011, 09:42:53 PM: check out this video, look familiar?

http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/index.php?c=2798 (http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/index.php?c=2798)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on December 02, 2011, 10:27:59 PM: ya know.......... that could have been the guy, would have to be, can't think of anyone else out in the area 'cause that guy wanted to have a "protected" Distribution area. All he wanted to do after the Demo ride was drink and look at the bar maids at the 100 club just off of Santa Anita racetrack (sort of pre Hooters type scantily dressed waitresses). Good thing he was staying at a hotel that was walking distance from there. Me, not so lucky, lived in El Monte, that was one of the first times of many I almost tore the wing off the back of the black beast (hit a dip in road going a bit too fast) many good times in that car. I'll keep looking at, but, that could very well be the guy. small world.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Srt on December 03, 2011, 03:41:52 AM: Quote from: Cookieboystoys on November 28, 2011, 07:57:29 AM
It did have a 2.0L turbo... the V8 is a recent addition

Jack Stratton has seen pics and said... never would have done a green one..

is it "dark green metallic"/
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on December 03, 2011, 07:56:15 AM: Quote from: Srt on December 03, 2011, 03:41:52 AM
is it "dark green metallic"

color 4C Ivy Glow Metallic Paint, Ford #5072-A
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on December 03, 2011, 08:37:30 AM: Quote from: George Davis on December 02, 2011, 10:27:59 PM
ya know.......... that could have been the guy,

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1997-01-10/news/9701100248_1_harry-korean-war-christopher-mooney (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1997-01-10/news/9701100248_1_harry-korean-war-christopher-mooney)

Harry A. Schmerler - January 10, 1997

Harry A. Schmerler, 66, a South Barrington resident who founded Schmerler Ford in Elk Grove Village and Racine, Wis., died Wednesday in Good Shepherd Hospital in Barrington. Mr. Schmerler served as an infantry officer in the U.S. Army during the Korean War and was a past president of the Ford Motor Co.'s National Dealer Council. "He was just a good man, took care of a lot of people and we're going to miss him terribly," said his daughter Mary Schmechtig.

Unfortunate... . can't contact him for more info...
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on December 03, 2011, 11:00:19 AM: Mr. Hoke was at one time a higher up in the Ford National Dealer council, probably where they knew each other from. Sorry to hear he passed (Mr. Schmerler), as guess as with anything 40 years old it's hard to back trace. If I had to I'd weight on the subject , i would say they did your car as an Authorized Pangra Dealer, I can verify to everything that I know, NO straight "kt" Pangra had the dash and emblems, they were reserved for Huntington Ford or authorized Dealer built cars only. I couldn't even get the dash for my wife's (girl friend then) Pinto and IF I could'nt get a dash, let's just say no one else would have either and there were many requests. If the dealership still exists maybe a long term employee would remember them doing some high performance cars in that time frame? The Dealers I delivered Pangras to were "high Performance" Dealers, Vels/Parnelli Jones did Boss Mustangs and little known Boss Mavericks, the Dealer in Arizona was a former Cobra Dealer and also did Boss Mustang Race cars. Might keep the trail from growing cold. If asked to "offically" verify your car, i would.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on December 03, 2011, 01:54:14 PM: Quote from: George Davis on December 03, 2011, 11:00:19 AM
If asked to "offically" verify your car, i would.

Thanks George but I would really like to "confim" the details, really need more info on this cars history before I would consider making a statement like that. If there was a way to confirm that Schmerler Ford was an authorized dealer, that actually built and sold even 1 true Pangra... then I might consider calling this that one. Until then I'll keep digging for more info on it's history...

I can find no website for Schmerler Ford but did find a phone # that every time I call I get a busy signal (weird) and have found reference to his son listed as the owner but I fear the dealership may be no more... can't find them in the official Ford database as an active dealer :(
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: George Davis on December 03, 2011, 02:46:51 PM: Sorry i can't positively confirm without a shadow of doubt. Unfortunetly Huntington Ford is no longer around either. It may be a case of if the right person involved with their dealership gets wind of it they could confirm. It would be great if his son is/was involved with the business and would remember that portion. Until then we'll have to go with more that likely. I've been involved with vintage Corvettes for ever and every time some so called expert says "there's no way, or none were ever built like that, or they all had too", it's be proven there are exceptions to every "rule" when it comes to performance cars. As these were "hand built" those involved would be the final word on what was and what probably wasn't, the KEY word being probably. At this point you may have to be happy with the fact that no matter what, you have a very rare and cool car.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Cookieboystoys on December 03, 2011, 07:28:16 PM: Quote from: George Davis on December 03, 2011, 02:46:51 PM
Sorry i can't positively confirm without a shadow of doubt......

At this point you may have to be happy with the fact that no matter what, you have a very rare and cool car.

No worries George, I'm more curious in the history of this odd ball and how it came to be than I am concerned with proving it's a "real" Pangra. While that would be interesting and cool it's so heavily modified / not a Pangra anymore....

it's as you put it... a very rare and cool car :)
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: 74PintoWidebodyCustom on December 20, 2011, 08:15:27 PM: Hey Reves, check out a place called Total Performance located in Mount Clemens, MI. I know that they used to stock the "pancake collector" headers. Or you can buy the 4x1 "pancake collectors directly from Headman I believe.
Title: Re: Ford Pinto Pangra Restomod
Post by: Reeves1 on December 20, 2011, 11:07:20 PM: Quote from: 74PintoWidebodyCustom on December 20, 2011, 08:15:27 PM
Hey Reves, check out a place called Total Performance located in Mount Clemens, MI. I know that they used to stock the "pancake collector" headers. Or you can buy the 4x1 "pancake collectors directly from Headman I believe.

Just looked at their site. Did a search as well. No luck. Sent them an e-mail.

Likely going to end up custom, to get what I want.
Narrowed down builders to two places. One in CA and one in Ont (Barrie Poole).