Author Topic: Header Install Info. / Ranger Stock "Header" Info. (Read 13073 times)

77turbopinto · « **on:** February 19, 2006, 07:54:32 PM »

There have seen a few posts, on this site and elsewhere about the "fitting" of headers into stock street pinto's. There seems to be some headers on the market that will not fit in a stock pinto without modification somewhere.

I don't have the info on all of the different brands and models, but I am hoping to get some feedback here from other members on their installs.

I CAN talk about the ranger "header", Part # F37E-94280-F, that I just installed in our 78 orange pinto.

*Please note that there is some fabrication/welding needed to install this item*

First, the flange on the collector brings it down to 1.75". That seems to defeat some of the point to the use of it, so I cut off the 'cone' and made it flush with the flange, and this makes it about 2.25". The stock pipe from a 78 will not bolt up to it in it's location anyway, so I made a flange to bolt to it, and got an exhaust gasket to match. To clear all the things near it, the exhaust pipe NEEDS to turn about 20* immediately after the flange like the stock one, but it is back about 8". This is now 'hard' bolted at the flange, so I used a flex tube (joint) just in front of the cat. I ran 2.25" thru the cat and tapered down to 2.0" and out the muffler at 1.75" (full custom exhaust). This was the way that I did it, but there are other ways to do it too.

Installing this item without other modifications made to the engine is a bit of a waste in my opinion. I installed a 'mild' cam and will be doing a carb swap as well as a few other things, and this will supplement them.

My goal with posting this is to keep someone from buying one without knowing what it will take to install it. I see to many ebay items that the sellers state that the parts are a "direct bolt-in" for a pinto when they are not (MII v8 radiators, motor mounts....); Some sellers lie just to sell the item, imagine that. I was fortunate that a friend of mine has a ranger with one of these in it and I was able to get a good look at it (well, as good as you can with it installed) before I got one (unused on ebay). Car-part.com is a good place to try to find one near you as well.

Bill

ADDED: After I posted this, I started the car and realized that there are smog pump or egr holes in the head near the exhaust manifold that are not fully covered by the header. It leaks. I will be working on this and post what I can do about it. I think I will be able to tap the holes and insert set-screws and the flange will keep them from backing out. The stock exhast manifold has a D8 part # so it might not be an issue with the pre 78 cars.

fast34 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2006, 08:32:01 PM »

I usually use Headman Hedders, I think the part number is 48030. Fit has been perfect on both Mustangs and Pintos I have seen them on.

TIGGER · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2006, 01:31:10 AM »

Thanks for the info, I have been wondering for quite some time if it was a true bolt in or a pain in the :showback:to install.

77turbopinto · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2006, 09:33:22 PM »

Got it done.

Easy fix: I used a 3/8" X 16 tap in the holes, then I cut the heads off 4 bolts so I had just 5/8" of the ends. Then cut a slot for a common screw driver across the cut end of each one. I installed them recessed with some hi-temp lock-tite. They can't back out with the manifold on the head.

Two of the holes were sealed with carbon anyway, but I am glad two were open so I identify the issue. The last thing I would have needed is be out with the car and have one of the holes open up.

Bill

Cookieboystoys · « **Reply #4 on:** July 22, 2006, 02:37:59 PM »

Bill, I checked out this section as you suggested but didn't see any info on Pacesetter headers... I ordered mine from the auto parts store next door and the kit comes w/bolts and gasket for a "perfect" fit... crossing my fingers that it IS a "perfect fit.

77turbopinto · « **Reply #5 on:** July 22, 2006, 06:44:18 PM »

Quote from: Cookieboy on July 22, 2006, 02:37:59 PM

Bill, I checked out this section as you suggested but didn't see any info on Pacesetter headers...

Quote from: 77turbopinto on February 19, 2006, 07:54:32 PM

…I don't have the info on all of the different brands and models, but I am hoping to get some feedback here from other members on their installs…

…I CAN talk about the ranger "header", Part # F37E-94280-F, that I just installed in our 78 orange pinto…

I have done all I can.

Bill

Cookieboystoys · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2006, 10:23:53 PM »

Thanks Bill... was out of town this weekend and just got back.

Perhaps someone else has experience w/Pacesetter headers and would like to share their experience???

FCANON · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2006, 09:35:03 PM »

I have two Pacesetter headers hanging on the wall. I have a Ranger header hooked to a 79 Mustang Turbo motor (carbed).
I have owned hooker and headman headers. the Pace seter took less pinging to make a close fit and is beefier...I think its a better header. that why I kept them.

the ranger header is ok..but I think the tuned ranger cast manifold would flow better, but I never had a cast one that didnt fail and crack. So I stick with the tube header.

Frank

www.PintoWorks .com

joecool85 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 02, 2006, 03:40:33 PM »

So I take it that the ranger "header" is actually a stock part on the ranger? So a junkyard pull. What years?

**edit**
One like this maybe: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-RANGER-MUSTANG-PINTO-2-3-EXHAUST-HEADER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33631QQihZ007QQitemZ170014651021QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

77turbopinto · « **Reply #9 on:** August 02, 2006, 03:42:57 PM »

Quote from: 77turbopinto on February 19, 2006, 07:54:32 PM

...Part # F37E-94280-F...

Ummmmm.... 93.

Bill

BTW: http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php?topic=5214.0

77turbopinto · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2006, 06:38:36 PM »

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php?topic=5682.msg34166#msg34166

Bill

Srt · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2006, 02:23:28 AM »

you need to go bigger on the muffler outlet and tailpipe size, go up to 2.25" and you will see and feel an improvement. on the subject of Pacesetter Hheaders. I had a lot of experiece with them in the '70's and they were OK. Not the best, but for the money (at that time) they were a good buy

77turbopinto · « **Reply #12 on:** September 18, 2006, 03:03:57 AM »

Quote from: 77turbopinto on February 19, 2006, 07:54:32 PM

...First, the flange on the collector brings it down to 1.75". That seems to defeat some of the point to the use of it, so I cut off the 'cone' and made it flush with the flange, and this makes it about 2.25"....

Bill

hellfirejim · « **Reply #13 on:** July 27, 2007, 12:43:12 PM »

Where did you go for your collector gasket and what did you use?

I am doing the same thing but running into a problem locating the 2 bolt gasket.
thanks
jim

77turbopinto · « **Reply #14 on:** July 27, 2007, 01:50:18 PM »

I just went to NAPA and found one that was very close. I did need to trim it a bit but it worked fine. If the flanges don't warp too bad, or if you flaten them better, you can just use the muffler mend goop.

I will see if I still have the part # for it, and/or a photo.

Bill

hellfirejim · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:29:10 PM »

Thanks Bill.
My napa guy is pretty cool about that stuff. As you can see from the link in my sig block I am following your directions for the ranger header. I will be adding a bung for the wide band when I get it which I can also go to when I put on the turbo later on. First things first and that's getting it running.

Thanks again.
jim

hellfirejim · « **Reply #16 on:** August 19, 2007, 08:43:10 PM »

I found a gasket from the Napa guys and it is pretty close. Good to have a part store where they are not tied to their computers..... :smile:

I just made a post in the project sections on my further adventures on my project 75 street toy.
enjoy.
jim

tony v · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2007, 10:19:27 AM »

i used a heddman header on my 2.3, what happened was the hole at the bottom of the exhaust port leaked with the header gasket i got with the header....SO, what i did was, i used a stock metal gasket and punched out 2, 10 mm plugs for each hole in the metal gasket from the fiber gasket i got with the header. it worked great. when you punch out the 2,10mm plugs, use permatex to glue them together and glue them into the holes with the permatex, let them cure and the just hang the header in place. i have almost 3k on the motor and it has NO leaks. 2 plugs per hole=8 total plugs. tony v

hellfirejim · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2007, 10:44:55 AM »

That's one way of taking care of the problem. I went a different route. I just used metal plugs that looked like small freeze plugs and pressed them in. Ok I took a hammer and a bolt ground to fit and beat hell out of it. Felt pretty good. :lol:

The flange on each port covers about half or so of each plug so they are not going anywhere. Shouldn't leak but I will know more after i get it started and running.
jim

onefarmer · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2007, 12:40:13 PM »

Back in the day(1982) I was a bit more ruff and ready. I just got out the welder and closed them that way. Was a Headman header, 2 1/4 pipe and turbo muffler. Head shaved .060. Increased milage from 24/25 to 28 and 32 highway.

hellfirejim · « **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2007, 01:16:37 PM »

That's what I am hoping for. This is going to be my nice day DD and i drive about 80 miles a day round trip but most is hwy.

jim

onefarmer · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2007, 03:18:47 PM »

Quote from: hellfirejim on August 22, 2007, 01:16:37 PM

That's what I am hoping for. This is going to be my nice day DD and i drive about 80 miles a day round trip but most is hwy.

jim

Well what I had including what I did in my other post: a fresh rebuild with .030 over bore, .060 off the head, rest of head original, original cam (car had ~126k on it), Header, 2 1/4 dia pipes, stock non-modded carb, 4sp, If I remember right 2.73 rear gears, 195-70-13 tires, Almost forgot, the rear springs had broke a year earlier, the replacements were quite stiff and raised the rear about 3 inches, I remember I had to put shocks from a 73 mustang on it to keep from topping the shocks out.

Hiway I got 32mpg and daily driving was about 28mpg. I later added a bigger cam thinking it would help with the pinging I'd get occationally and milage came down about 2 miles for most driving and it did help stop the ping.

hellfirejim · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2007, 09:21:43 PM »

Your motor sounds a lot like mine. It has been blueprinted because it was going to a stock eliminator motor. The cam as I undertand it was a stock class "cheater" camwhich i believe has all the same numbers as a stock cam but has higher lift. The rear gear is a 3:08 with 15" tirs. I forget how tall they are, i will have to remeasure them.

Like I said I fully plan for this to be my NICE day daily driver. I am so looking forward to doing this.
jim

bbobcat75 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 12, 2011, 04:38:43 PM »

hey bud its eric from south fl-ft myers just got another bobcat a wagon with a 2.3, just picked up a header off a ranger pick-up with a 2.3... junkyard listed the header from 93-97 all the same, one i got is off a 96 i believe so you have any pics of you header you can send me to see what i am instore for!?!?!? thanks again and hope to meet up with you one of the times you are in town!!!!
thanks again
eric

tried to send personal message but i am blocked from you???thanks

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