Author Topic: 5200 to Webber Conversion (Read 21547 times)

amc49 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 03, 2013, 02:30:16 AM »

Does anyone know if the Weber has the high speed pullover enrichening circuit that the Holley 5200 does? The outlet for it is high in the carb, around the choke plates.

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #31 on:** September 03, 2013, 08:09:47 AM »

Weber breakdown.
http://www.webercarbsdirect.com/v/vspfiles/weber_carburetor_schematics/3236DGAVEV.pdf

jeremysdad · « **Reply #32 on:** September 04, 2013, 03:38:58 PM »

Quote from: amc49 on September 03, 2013, 02:30:16 AM

Does anyone know if the Weber has the high speed pullover enrichening circuit that the Holley 5200 does? The outlet for it is high in the carb, around the choke plates.

Power valve? If so, yes. If not, please clarify.

amc49 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 05, 2013, 01:07:50 AM »

No, not power or enrichment valve, not part of main jet circuit either. A separate very high speed only circuit that works only at high airflows. The discharge for the fuel is way up high around the choke plate. No screw in jet parts for it, part of casting and not shown in Holley pics. Intended to make up for the high speed lean out that four cylinders go through when they begin to show reversion at high rpm.

If you pull top cover/choke housing, there may be a brass dowel in one port there on bottom surface, thinking that was a restriction for it. The actual outlet is in the choke housing, thinking primary. IIRC, been a while, I seem to have misplaced my Mike Ulrich Holley 5200 book, that showed it. Outlet is high and in the bigger choke area to make sure it does not work until very high rpm. It pulls from a blank hole in fuel bowl, no jet there. There is a blank passage on both barrels IIRC but one does not get used?

jeremysdad · « **Reply #34 on:** September 13, 2013, 07:31:18 PM »

My Google research says they do have a high speed enrichment circuit.

Carb is installed with the prior stated jettings. It smells just a touch rich, but I have yet to play with the ignition advance.

And it is really happy.

And set at, I believe...appx 3/4 turn on the air screw and 1 & 3/4 on the mixture screw.

Electric choke is AWESOME!!!!!!

lol I'll report back with the Gates part number pre-molded hose I used to do that (smartly circumvent the water choke) tomorrow. Also, this conversion needs a fuel pressure regulator. Anymore than 3.5 psi, and a Weber will puke gas into the fuel bowl.

A 5200 has a small orifice in the 5/16 inlet, a Weber doesn't.

jeremysdad · « **Reply #35 on:** September 13, 2013, 07:47:39 PM »

Test: Someone verify if you can see this video. This is with Weber.

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74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #36 on:** September 13, 2013, 09:12:05 PM »

I can see it.

jeremysdad · « **Reply #37 on:** September 13, 2013, 10:06:02 PM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on September 13, 2013, 09:12:05 PM

I can see it.

Does it sound awesome?

lol

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #38 on:** September 14, 2013, 08:03:37 AM »

Quote from: jeremysdad on September 13, 2013, 10:06:02 PM

Does it sound awesome? lol

It does sound good.

jeremysdad · « **Reply #39 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:48:36 AM »

Just got back from the first official test drive (had to run and get a few odds and ends I forgot yesterday, like air cleaner bolts [my old carb was tapped 1/4-20, and I didn't want to do that to my brand new carb] and a new fuel filter to finish the project this morning). A little bit more adjusting is in order, I think, but all in all, it was well worth the money, if for nothing else other than the electric choke.

Also got a new alternator, cause my light's been flickering and the one I'm running sounds mildly like a turbo...and the Missus said I needed a shinier one. That right there is a good woman.

lol

rramjet · « **Reply #40 on:** September 14, 2013, 12:12:27 PM »

Quote from: jeremysdad on September 13, 2013, 07:47:39 PM

Test: Someone verify if you can see this video. This is with Weber.

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Wow sounds great. So this is the stock Burton cam and the carb change or are there other changes? What change made the greatest improvement?

Are you running headers? If so which ones?

jeremysdad · « **Reply #41 on:** September 14, 2013, 12:34:23 PM »

Quote from: rramjet on September 14, 2013, 12:12:27 PM

Wow sounds great. So this is the stock Burton cam and the carb change or are there other changes? What change made the greatest improvement?

Are you running headers? If so which ones?

This is the cam I linked in your thread (in a 7000 mile from fresh head re-work), the new carb, a stock exhaust manifold and a no-name glasspack. No header yet, but it's on the list. I also have a theory about the intake manifold design (the middle two runners are half the length of the 1 and 4), but my fab skills/equipment aren't that advanced at this point.

lol

jeremysdad · « **Reply #42 on:** September 14, 2013, 12:40:33 PM »

Scott, I didn't mean to hijack your thread, but keeping info in a single thread helps with future searches.

amc49 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 14, 2013, 03:13:42 PM »

If you're talking 2.0 liter you'll have heck trying to outdo the stock intake manifold, they actually work quite well and outperform many aftermarket ones. Even with the unequal length runners.

jeremysdad · « **Reply #44 on:** September 14, 2013, 03:14:55 PM »

This is what my final install looks like, minus air cleaner and choke wire (Stator terminal on the alternator is the correct location [only provides power when the motor is running])...

https://www.facebook.com/shawn.roberts.12327/posts/201215893384087

jeremysdad · « **Reply #45 on:** September 14, 2013, 03:17:03 PM »

Quote from: amc49 on September 14, 2013, 03:13:42 PM

If you're talking 2.0 liter you'll have heck trying to outdo the stock intake manifold, they actually work quite well and outperform many aftermarket ones. Even with the unequal length runners.

But if you could make one with equal length runners...air in, air out. No cylinder left behind!!! lol

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #46 on:** September 14, 2013, 07:07:19 PM »

Clean setup.

Scott Hamilton · « **Reply #47 on:** September 14, 2013, 10:14:51 PM »

She does sound great, really good.... Always love to see fellow 2000cc guys and their toys. No problem, no hijacking here... Just more info for everyone.. Great stuff!

jeremysdad · « **Reply #48 on:** September 18, 2013, 05:52:04 PM »

Just a quick follow-up, cause those are important:

Driveability is WAY improved. No more surge at 40-45mph cruise, and it reacts instantly when you give it throttle. Still some minor toying to be done with the fast idle/choke adjustment, and I'm testing at work (bare concrete, parking in the same spot everyday, tracking soot marks)...I think the first step I'm going to take is to pull a plug when I get there tomorrow to verify how it's running at mid-rpm, cause it loads up when you start it cold (63 degrees this morning) but doesn't when warm (84 degrees when I left work), so I think the choke is set too rich. If this doesn't fix the soot marks, next step is backing down to 60 primary idle jet. Will report back.

Oh...did I mention how sweet it sounds when you floor the gas peddle now, either from idle or at speed? Lol.

Well worth the investment.

Also need to grab the part number for the hose I used to bypass the hot-water choke.

rramjet · « **Reply #49 on:** September 23, 2013, 03:42:09 PM »

Quote from SRT"If you want to wake it up (an early one that is) make sure you have a decent valve job (I used to do my own and some creative valve seat 'massaging will do wonders), a bit bigger on the main jets both primary & secondary (leave all the other ones alone) and a recurve of the distributer will work wonders without hurting mileage at all."

Hey SRT: Just got a Stock 2.0 Burton Cam kit today and planning on a head rework for hardened seats and whatever else we discover it needs later in the week. I'm curious about the recurve of the distributor you mentioned. Was this for a stock set-up? Do you recall the settings you ended up with? Trying to find someone local with a distributer machine. Guess I need to find some springs as well. I'm working with a new Reman distributor and I haven't verified where it is set now.

Scott Hamilton · « **Reply #50 on:** September 23, 2013, 09:42:24 PM »

Hey Steve, also a question about the distro curve... Years ago you could buy distributer weights to make it advance quicker... I have tried several times to find these since it's the same on the VW... Is this what you are talking about and if so where is there a source of these today?

jeremysdad · « **Reply #51 on:** September 24, 2013, 11:15:58 AM »

I've been window shopping ignition parts, as well. Does anyone know what model Bosch our distributor is? They have weird numbers, like 005, 090, etc. *Eta: Googling around, it looks like it's HF 12100. Whether that's the Bosch # or a Ford number, I have yet to determine.

As a follow up, decided the 65 primary was a tad too big and the kit didn't have a 60, so went back down to 55 for the primary idle. Way less rich at idle, but bordering on too lean, according to mixture screw setting. I think a 60 would be about right. I could install a leaner air corrector for the primary side to achieve the same approximate effect, but I'd rather not get into that since that alters air proportions for the entire primary circuit.

Thinking about changing the 70 secondary for the 65 I took out of the primary side.

Initial results positive on driveability with the smaller primary idle, but I think 2 steps down was too much, just as 2 steps up seemed to be.

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #52 on:** September 24, 2013, 11:34:21 AM »

Where do you get your jets at?, if you don't mind me asking.

jeremysdad · « **Reply #53 on:** September 24, 2013, 11:49:59 AM »

Posting this here, and in General Discussion.

Just found on ebay(UK), you can get the equivalent of a Pertronix electronic ignition conversion kit for a 2.0 for $46.61USD, free shipping to the US. That's $30~ less than the Ignitor I, and $60 less than the Ignitor II. Reviews I've found from the UK are highly positive.

*Price based on yesterday's currency conversion. May vary by a few cents.

lol

Link: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POWERSPARK-Electronic-Ignition-for-the-Bosch-distributor-Ford-Pinto-/360508348532?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item53eff8d874

Messaged seller. Now the listing shows $10 shipping to US. Lesson learned. Buy first, and deal with the consequences later. lol Still comes in at $20 less than the standard Pertronix. Will update with seller's response regarding warranty. Maybe he didn't like my proper American English??? lol

jeremysdad · « **Reply #54 on:** September 24, 2013, 11:53:53 AM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on September 24, 2013, 11:34:21 AM

Where do you get your jets at?, if you don't mind me asking.

Specifically, this is where I got my kit: http://www.ebay.com/itm/281155905196?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

There are sources if you just want to get one size up from where you are, but, in theory the kits are a better deal since shipping (if you order a la carte) is usually as much as the cost of each single jet, per jet.

They're not perfect (Idle jets: 55, 65, 70,75,80...

I need a 60!!! lol), but I figure it this way: I'm set for cam upgrade, and whatever future mods I may do. lol

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #55 on:** September 24, 2013, 12:26:23 PM »

Thanks for the link, not a bad deal free shipping and all, yeah it can be a killer buying one at a time, never fails the one you need is always missing, lol..

jeremysdad · « **Reply #56 on:** September 24, 2013, 12:45:46 PM »

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on September 24, 2013, 12:26:23 PM

Thanks for the link, not a bad deal free shipping and all, yeah it can be a killer buying one at a time, never fails the one you need is always missing, lol..

Mine seems to love the dual 55 accelerator pump jet. Off to change my alternator.

lol

jeremysdad · « **Reply #57 on:** September 24, 2013, 01:19:23 PM »

Same price, has the 60's, and every other jet I'm currently loving: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEBER-Redline-32-36-DGV-Carburetor-Carb-Jetting-Jet-Pack-Kit-4-or-6-Cyl-/331022108269

Contacted my original seller to see if we could work out a new-for-new 55 for 60 swap. lol

jeremysdad · « **Reply #58 on:** September 24, 2013, 01:45:06 PM »

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Quote from: jeremysdad on September 24, 2013, 11:49:59 AM

Posting this here, and in General Discussion.

Just found on ebay(UK), you can get the equivalent of a Pertronix electronic ignition conversion kit for a 2.0 for $46.61USD, free shipping to the US. That's $30~ less than the Ignitor I, and $60 less than the Ignitor II. Reviews I've found from the UK are highly positive.

*Price based on yesterday's currency conversion. May vary by a few cents. lol

Link: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POWERSPARK-Electronic-Ignition-for-the-Bosch-distributor-Ford-Pinto-/360508348532?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item53eff8d874

Messaged seller. Now the listing shows $10 shipping to US. Lesson learned. Buy first, and deal with the consequences later. lol Still comes in at $20 less than the standard Pertronix. Will update with seller's response regarding warranty. Maybe he didn't like my proper American English??? lol

$50, same thing, free shipping. Link:http://www.hot-spark.com/1-Bosch-Distributors.htm

74 PintoWagon · « **Reply #59 on:** September 24, 2013, 02:02:45 PM »

Quote from: jeremysdad on September 24, 2013, 01:19:23 PM

Same price, has the 60's, and every other jet I'm currently loving: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEBER-Redline-32-36-DGV-Carburetor-Carb-Jetting-Jet-Pack-Kit-4-or-6-Cyl-/331022108269

Contacted my original seller to see if we could work out a new-for-new 55 for 60 swap. lol

Almost need to buy both kits,lol.

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