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« on: November 10, 2016, 09:34:42 AM »
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Re: Buy or trade
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2016, 02:04:55 PM »
I'm not sure I quite understand: "My car is an auto C-4 IF someone has a 2.8 with Tranny or small V-8 with tranny (willing to buy) and it has a 2.3 recently rebuilt engine with less than 20k miles (What I want is to convert to small V-8 Standard tranny)


Just an FYI that the V-8 "standard" transmission (I assume you mean the T-5 from the Mustang V-8?) has a different input shaft length than the 4 cylinder 2.3. To my knowledge they never used a 5 speed behind a V-6 2.8 (as used in the Pinto).  And I don't even know if you can put a T-5 behind a 2.8 without a special bellhousing or adapter. I believe the V-6 used a Mazda 5 speed in the Rangers. This is a very helpful site for understanding all the T-5 differences. http://www.pro-forceperformance.com/t-5_interchange.htm


If you didn't mean T-5 the other transmission used on the small block V-8 was the Toploader. It is a 4 speed from the 60's, is cast iron save for some odd aluminum SROD versions that don't have a great reputation. Significantly strong (the non-SROD version), but not cheap today. Given it was also built for the V-8 engine the input shaft length would be similar to the initial version of the T-5. There would be no advantage to using this transmission as it is heavy, expensive and might have linkage to tunnel clearance issues.


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1. A 2.3 needs a 2.3 version of the T-5, or an adapter plate, or specialty bellhousing (both not cheap) to use a V-8 version of the T-5.


2. The 2.8 I don't believe ever came with a T-5. I believe some of the Ranger trucks might have had the Mazda 5 speed but from what I've heard the ratios are "truck like" and the reliability isn't good. It likely takes a unique adapter or bellhousing to use a T-5.


3. A V-8 would bolt up to a V-8 version of the T-5. However, you don't want the early version (Non-world class). I believe it is 86 and up that are the better World Class T-5's.  AND, about 93 there was yet another change and the input shaft length charged and you need the appropriate bellhousing to accommodate that. Lastly any pre-66 V-8 can be a 5 bolt, not a 6 bolt block and then you are forced to use an aftermarket scatter shield for a bellhousing (not cheap).


Again, I'm not sure what you meant, but I've tried to cover most aspects of what I thought you could have meant.  These types of swaps and changes are not very straightforwar d. There are always many complications involved. And we haven't even touched on clutch actuation, crossmembers and mounts (engine and trans), driveshafts and yokes, shifter rods and/or linkage and trans tunnel modifications.

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Re: Buy or trade
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2016, 05:15:56 AM »
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Re: Buy or trade
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2016, 11:47:48 AM »
I understand. My mind wanders too and I have no cause for that other than pushing 60.  Keep up the fight.

There are a number of people here who have V-8 Pinto's. If you start a new post under that description hopefully they can give you advice.

I'm in So. Cal. where cars seem to last a long time. Yet the Pick A Parts here predominantly have mid 90's cars up to about mid 2000's.  Historically the availability of cars seems to start about year 11 and ends about year 18. The youngest Pinto is 36 years old. For us Turbo Coupe swappers the last one rolled off the assembly line 28 years ago.  Yes, parts are getting hard to find - even here.  I keep looking for a T-5 for my Tiger but almost all the Mustangs available in the yards here are in the 2000's with the longer bellhousing, electronic speedo and what not.  If your looking at the V-6 you are likely going to find the injected version in the Ranger.

It is what it is. Time moves on. But, yes, I too lament the parts supply I thought would never end in fact does have a point of closure.