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Title: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on July 28, 2017, 04:02:35 PM
Target just posted that they are no longer going to be in NASCAR. Who's next?
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on July 28, 2017, 07:05:27 PM
Could be they're afraid of Amazon, or maybe they dislike the future E Stock car series that is lurking in the future. Also, it's getting very costly to compete with Penske in NASCAR & Indycar.
 My guess is they're going green to placate the Millennial crowd, and Stock cars are too wasteful in their perception of Video game living.

 My two horseshoes worth UU :D
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: r4pinto on July 28, 2017, 07:09:32 PM
Target already left Indy car so might as well leave nascar as well. Heard they decided to take their sponsorship to another sport, but could also be lagging sales due to increased online sales from companies such as Amazon.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on July 29, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
After you see the empty grandstands on tv, you know why the likes of Target are going elsewhere.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on July 29, 2017, 11:37:39 AM
Target now says they will support soccer in place of NASCAR. Good for them as soccer is much bigger than NASCAR and is world wide.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on July 30, 2017, 08:35:18 AM
Success priced the Fans right out of the Speedways, The rest was on France's Bad! Broadband is nailing the Coffin shut too..
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on July 30, 2017, 10:22:37 AM
This new format of racing, stoping, racing, stoping, racing looks like something SCCA would come up with. NASCAR needs leadership!!!!
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on July 31, 2017, 10:55:08 AM
This new format of racing, stoping, racing, stoping, racing looks like something SCCA would come up with. NASCAR needs leadership!!!!
The real problem is that in order to keep the fans happy, the affordability to commit to more than just a single day of race viewing has to be  dealt with. Stage racing is a band aid, it helps with the attention span, but just goes halfway to dealing on the Issue of keeping the Interest going on a 500 miler. Out here We used to get 100k fans for the entire weekend at Sonoma. Now the Fans  aren't coming in droves, and even with a dedicated Train from Sacto to the Entrance to the facility, Shuttled into the track. The hillsides aren't full like they used to be. And it's a much shorter road race! I gave up when it took me 1-1/2 hours to get out of the track and drive 30 miles to Napa .  Now the Track is really upgraded for people and it's not filling up with fans like the 90's.  Sounds like  it might wind up becoming Vineyards if the Access and affordability aren't dealt with.
 SCCA has fixed their amateur needs out here with Thunderhill Park in Willows and the place is mostly operating in the Black annually. I marvel at the Fan involvement in Europe in all Kinds of racing. Fix the Blue collar lifestyle incomes or lower the Ticket prices, It will return to balance the books.
 My Direct TV lifestyle gives my options, but I still prefer to  smell , hear, and even taste the Motorsports in my interests 8)
 Pintosopher.. Aged but not gone sour, Heat cycled but usable
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: r4pinto on July 31, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
This new format of racing, stoping, racing, stoping, racing looks like something SCCA would come up with. NASCAR needs leadership!!!!

Unfortunately it appears the sponsors are driving what happens. Unless I am mistaken (which I can be) the new sponsor wanted them to do stages. Heard that to be the case, don't know how true it is. I don't like them because they are manufacturered and set caution periods. Takes some types strategy out of the equation.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: one2.34me on July 31, 2017, 12:24:41 PM
I've been a stock car fan since I can remember. My dad took us to Ascot, 605 Speedway and Riverside, when we were little. I think the BTCC has a winning formula. The race cars, (from many countries), are all made from actual production line white bodies. They qualify on Saturday and race three races on Sunday that each count as separate official points race. Stock car racing is a tidy Hollywood production anymore. I wish they would start with a stock car!
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on July 31, 2017, 12:27:30 PM
Was really fun to watch back in the 60's and 70's as the racers were made out of real cars. When I work on the race cars in the 60's, we would buy wrecks or use race cars and go to work. Olds and big Ford's were the hot set up in Nascar early days. Much fun for little cost. The V8 super cars from down under look much like the old days.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 10, 2017, 04:15:12 PM
NASCAR is so worried about the smaller crowds in the stands that they have come up with a new idea. Put an ambulance on the track with the race cars. Got to see that in the Last NASCAR race of the regular season. It was wild!!! NASCAR did not tell the drivers what was going to happen during the race. Wow!! It was the best part of the race.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Wittsend on September 11, 2017, 12:41:07 PM
Sadly sports of all types use to be for ENTHUSIASTS.  But to make more money under the guise of "growing the sport" they go for the lowest common denominator.  When the "fad" fades the jacked up, watered down sport loses those who are off to the next great fad and the enthusiasts have left because the sport wasn't what it once was.  In the end no one comes out the winner.

I'm not saying it doesn't take money to run Bonneville but it does seem to be one of the last motorsports  that doesn't seem tainted by extracting money from fans.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 11, 2017, 03:05:03 PM
Sadly sports of all types use to be for ENTHUSIASTS.  But to make more money under the guise of "growing the sport" they go for the lowest common denominator.  When the "fad" fades the jacked up, watered down sport loses those who are off to the next great fad and the enthusiasts have left because the sport wasn't what it once was.  In the end no one comes out the winner.

I'm not saying it doesn't take money to run Bonneville but it does seem to be one of the last motorsports  that doesn't seem tainted by extracting money from fans.
   Oh so true! Bonneville and hill climbs are the only two left. SCCA like NHRA and NASCAR have priced them above the average fan. And you can watch the last two on the tube. Sad time.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 13, 2017, 12:36:19 PM
Just saw on the msm news that Danica is call it quits in NASCAR. No backing to race on. Now maybe Stewart can put someone in the car that can win. She only won one race as a pro driver and that was indy cars in Japan. The high lite of her Nascar racing was the one pole start.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: one2.34me on September 13, 2017, 02:57:04 PM

I still think he owes for wrecking the Pennzoil Ford, but Matt Kenseth would be an improvement in Danica's car.

Also, Aric Amirola is leaving Petty with Smithfield Foods. I wonder who's going to sit in the King's 43?

https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2017/09/12/richard-petty-statement-on-smithfield-foods-decision-to-join-stewart-haas-racing/ (https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2017/09/12/richard-petty-statement-on-smithfield-foods-decision-to-join-stewart-haas-racing/)
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 13, 2017, 03:38:16 PM
Not like the old days that's for sure. Every sponsor we had when I worked down south was done with a hand shake. Nobody tried to steal another teams sponsors or crew members. Cheat a little, yes but never stab someone in the back.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Srt on September 13, 2017, 07:10:56 PM

[I'm not saying it doesn't take money to run Bonneville but it does seem to be one of the last motorsports  that doesn't seem tainted by extracting money from fans.



http://www.saltflats.com/
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 19, 2017, 10:26:38 AM
Watched my first rallycross yesterday and it was ok I guess but there were more race cars than people in the grandstands. Some of the drivers were from around the world. They put on a great show, but for who. All over the world auto racing is playing to fewer and fewer fans in the stands. F1 still has great crowds but more than 10 years ago. No way! F1 races are for the most part in country's where racing like the US is only seen on the tube. The people turn out in great numbers because it may be a year before they get to see another race. NASCAR stands are more and more empty. Very seldom do the people doing the tv report show the stands. NASCAR said not to I guess. NASCAR cars for 2018 look like their viewed through the bottom of a milk bottle. Sad days.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Wittsend on September 19, 2017, 12:46:05 PM
You know Dick I see two things that are effecting NASCAR (and the like).  Money and homogenized rules.  The rules take away individual innovation and money has everyone paying a high price for the identical parts. No longer is it an individual creatively porting a cylinder head. Today everyone gets the same CNC ported piece. A level playing field makes for "follow the leader" racing. The cars no longer represent one similar you can buy at the dealer on Monday.

  I use to be a big fan of NHRA Pro Stock back in the 70's. But as the cars basically developed into carbureted funny cars I lost interest.  I went to the Winternational Warmups (whatever it was called) at Pomona a few years back The stock classes looked more like "Racing Classic Cars." FWD has basically pushed most modern cars out of the class.  It's a changing world and I'm not sure how one deals with it. Staying the same can get old and changing make things "not what they use to be."  Maybe these things have just run their course???
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 19, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
In the new issue of Autoweek there is a VERY good story about Bobby Unser and his view of modern day racing. He says the same you have stated in your post. There is no creatively anything any more with cookie cutter car they have now. I ran AHRA pro stock in the late 60's early 70's with a tunnel port 427 side oiler Ford Fairlane. Cars all looked like something you could buy at the dealership. Very few rules with a lot of home spun work. BTW. AHRA was the first to run pro stock. Couple years before NHRA. Same thing with funny cars. NHRA put them in altered while AHRA had a funny car class. Good ole days at Green Valley Raceway in Ft Worth, Texas.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 19, 2017, 05:05:56 PM
Just saw this on Yahoo news. Farmers Insurance sponsorship payed Kasy Kahne 14 million in 2014 and is paying him $666000 per race in 2017. When is the last time he won a cup race? Where can we sign up?
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dga57 on September 20, 2017, 09:14:26 AM
Just saw this on Yahoo news. Farmers Insurance sponsorship payed Kasy Kahne 14 million in 2014 and is paying him $666000 per race in 2017. When is the last time he won a cup race? Where can we sign up?

I've never raced in my life but, with payouts like that for the ones who lose, I'd be willing to try a couple of races!  lol

Dwayne ;D
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: D.R.Ball on September 22, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
NASCAR either needs to start racing Stock Cars of cut T.V. coverage! Yes, that will get more people into the stands.. Hell in the South Alabama and Pensacola Areas we still have local races that are packed ... Stock cars and drag races.. NASCAR and the NHRA are slowing killing themselves..
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on September 25, 2017, 07:00:46 AM
Remember that Song: "Video killed the Radio Star!"
 How's this...
" Broadband killed the racing with cars!" In my mind they've gone too far, We can't rewind we've gone too far.
 It's all so easy to see, it makes me say No! It started with the Gran Turismo!"

 Pintosopher, nothing new, but finding value in the Old & Bold :o
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 25, 2017, 01:21:37 PM
Richard Petty said on the news today he would fire anybody on his team that didn't salute the flag before a race. Don't think that will happen because the teams are mostly made up of "good ole boys from down south" and would not very likely protest anything. One of the few plus's NASCAR still has.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 25, 2017, 01:33:50 PM
Just saw on the Onion web site that Trump is looking at buying a NASCAR team. Looks like he thinks his running of the country is going so good he'll be a winner in NASCAR right away.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on September 25, 2017, 02:20:14 PM
Richard Petty said on the news today he would fire anybody on his team that didn't salute the flag before a race. Don't think that will happen because the teams are mostly made up of "good ole boys from down south" and would not very likely protest anything. One of the few plus's NASCAR still has.
Interesting that in F1, the top 3 finishers must stand and allow the national anthems for all of the 3 finishers before they can spray champagne and interviews are started. I'm nauseated with the politics of this past year with the "knee".  My thoughts are with the vets that lost their limbs fighting for the safety of others, not some candy a$$ overpaid sports star that doesn't get it!
 Fire em all! I'll be fine and my money can be spent elsewhere... >:(
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: 1972 Wagon on September 25, 2017, 03:13:29 PM
Amen, Pintosopher! When I was still teaching, every morning the school had someone recite the pledge over the intercom. Due to some student's religious beliefs, we could not require students to recite the pledge. It eventually got to the point where we could not even make them stand. I would tell my students that the "respectful" thing to do was to stand quietly. Standing for the pledge was not "forbidden" by any religion. I compared it to the Olympic medal ceremonies where the audience stands while the gold medalist's national anthem is played and the flags are raised. Standing was a sign of respect for the winners and what they had achieved. Period. You were not supporting their politics or religious beliefs. I would frequently read articles about people who sacrificed their lives for this country and state that the least students could do to show respect for these heroes was to quietly stand while others recited the pledge. I also asked students to think of standing as a way to honor any of their family members who had served in the military.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 27, 2017, 09:48:24 AM
Jerry Brown (governor of the west coast) just said on the news that he was going to ban internal combustion engines as soon as possible. Easy way would be to just ban gasoline. Nascar only has one or two races out there so no big deal.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: russosborne on September 28, 2017, 02:16:28 AM
Dick,

Did you ever race at Beeline Dragway in Phoenix back then? We used to go there every year after we moved here in 69 up til about 75 or so I think. Lots of fun back then as a kid and a spectator.

I don't think Nascar really cares about people in the stands. They probably make more money from corporate sponsors. I've quit watching all racing. Just not enjoyable any more. I wouldn't mind going to a local dirt track, not sure if Manzinita is still active here. Been  decades since I went there. That was another place my dad would take me every so often.

Russ
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 28, 2017, 08:51:07 AM
Beeline and Manzinta are both gone. Land was just needed for more and more homes and such. I raced at Beeline and watched at Manzinta in the 60's. Both were great race tracks. A long time ago. Saylavie!
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: one2.34me on September 28, 2017, 11:30:25 AM
Dick,
   Your post brings back a ton of great memories! I went to Arizona Automotive Institute in Glendale back in 1972 and went to both Manzanita and Beeline. Saw Dyno Don Nicholson and Grumpy Jenkins in the Pro Stock finals at Beeline. How much better could a NHRA final be? A Pinto and a Vega!!!
   Also went to see the sprint cars and stock cars at Manzanita. Our transmission instructor built a beautiful 1966-67 Mercury Cyclone GT stock car to run there, purple and yellow with, I think, a 429. Prettiest stock car I've ever seen! Was in the pits to watch his first race...straigh t to the back of the pack! Got his L/H tail light housing knocked off, a REAL stock car, and a definite massage on all that beautiful body work.
   Well, like Ascot, Riverside, Corona, LACR, Lions, 605, et al,  Adios Amigos. Oh to be 18 again.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 28, 2017, 01:11:35 PM
The only thing that I see any hope in is the vintage racing in both drag racing and sport cars. That's where my old red group 2 Pinto ended up on the east coast. It looks like its 99.9% as built in 1975. Sheet metal and paint are the original. Ford built great cars 45 years ago didn't they?
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: one2.34me on September 28, 2017, 08:53:08 PM

The only thing that I see any hope in is the vintage racing in both drag racing and sport cars. That's where my old red group 2 Pinto ended up on the east coast. It looks like its 99.9% as built in 1975. Sheet metal and paint are the original. Ford built great cars 45 years ago didn't they?


They sure did, I wish now that I would have paid more attention than I did.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 29, 2017, 09:59:21 AM
I can not see any of the cars built today by Ford ever being a collector car in the next 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 years. Mustang's will likely hang on, but nothing else. If you have a Pinto never sell or give it away. Hand it down to your kids as its value will only grow with the years. Put it up on blocks in your garage and smile as your time runs out that you have done your best to save a real classic.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Wittsend on September 29, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
About the only (generally available) collectible car I can think of since 1973 is the Buick Grand National. And, it by the way is 30 years old now!  That said one never knows.  The big problem I see are there are so many plastic/rubber parts and intricate smog and electronic parts (applicable to smog laws) on modern cars that it would be a real pain to keep one legally on the street.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 29, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
I really don't think most collector car are ever going to be driven on city streets. Car shows maybe, but only big ones. We have had people in our club in the past that did not drive their Pintos. Why I don't know because the value of the car will take many years to rise if ever. Its true value is in the enjoyment you will get driving it around town. I had as much fun and enjoyment towing my race car Pintos thru towns as I did racing them. It was like a magnet at times. Much fun.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 30, 2017, 01:19:30 PM
Just saw on the web where Irwindale Event Center drag strip and circle track is being shut down to build a new (are you ready for this?) shopping mall!!!! This is a way of life now. Of all the drag strips I raced on in the 60's and 70's around Dallas (there were 11 with in a 100 mile radius) There is not one of those 11 still around. This includes mom and pop tracks and big ones like Green Valley and Dallas International. Green Valley was so far out in the sticks, it was almost in a different time zone. And yet they say in the news that malls will be no longer used due to all the places on the web to mail order anything you want. Saylavie for sure!
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on September 30, 2017, 01:37:43 PM
BTW there is a great picture on MSM news of Ronnie Sox and Gas Ronda on the starting line at Irwindale. It will even allow you to copy it.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Wittsend on September 30, 2017, 06:57:27 PM
I lived in San Gabriel, CA. from ages 10 thru 20 and frequently went to Irwindale (the old drag strip). I even road my bike out there once (it was about 14 miles - one way). And given the portion next to the dam with the trucks, speed etc. it was kind of challenging.


  They had the Winternational Warm Up's out there and I remember standing in front of Glidden's Pinto for what seemed like hours. I had this dream that he would see my "dedication" and ask me to crew for him. Of course that vision was quickly snapped when Melanie Vincz "Miss Valvoline" came over and actually started to help Bob.  Who could blame him. I was impressed that such a beauty would actually get her hands dirty.  I have no idea where Etta was???
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on October 04, 2017, 10:06:41 AM
Looks like the boys of NASCAR got caught cheating again at the Dover race. I read AJ's book a while back and he talked about how teams cheat and get away with it. Said they cheat on a 100 or so things and when NASCAR tech finds 10 their really happy and pass the cars. I've been known to cheat a little in the past too. Not to win, but to not run in the back of the pack. I do have some pride you know. Only place I cheated on my 80 Pinto was wider wheels. A really long time ago.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Srt on October 04, 2017, 10:30:28 AM

About the only (generally available) collectible car I can think of since 1973 is the Buick Grand National. And, it by the way is 30 years old now!  That said one never knows.  The big problem I see are there are so many plastic/rubber parts and intricate smog and electronic parts (applicable to smog laws) on modern cars that it would be a real pain to keep one legally on the street.


the early 70's buick skylarks with the gs455 stage 1 package were nice too
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: one2.34me on October 04, 2017, 03:21:28 PM


  For old schoolers, motorheads, garage tinkering "engineers"and anyone who looks up when they hear a radial engine chugging along, the article below, IMO, doesn't offer a lot of good news. If Uncle Jerry and his peers, or their successors even allow internal combustion cars to be driven, they'll all be very collectable.
  It makes me glad I was around to experience the unfettered development of automobiles. My ears, eyes and nose are all thankful. Oddly enough, I'm thankful to have driven the 91 freeway westward in 1972 through San Bernardino and Riverside at dusk in my FE powered 1959 Galaxy Fairlane 500. Experiencing first hand, the atmospheric world of Soylent Green. Well, maybe my lungs aren't that thankful. Ecars would likely help in high density areas, like L.A./ O.C. where you can drive or ride from the beach to San Diego or Victorville, etc. in a 90+ mile traffic jam.
  I also see, among other things, that through the use of additional money saving robots, they'll be able to sell us our self driving, electrical SUVs, trucks and cars, at the same price or higher, even though they need fewer expensive tax paying, money spending, car buying people to build them.
  Let's all enjoy our internal combustion rides while we can. Eventually, driving one will be as traumatizing to the Al Gores of the world as ordering a Philly Cheesesteak at a vegan bistro.
Just kidding, kinda.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ford-motor-ceo/ford-to-cut-costs-14-billion-invest-in-trucks-electric-cars-ceo-idUSKCN1C82NL (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ford-motor-ceo/ford-to-cut-costs-14-billion-invest-in-trucks-electric-cars-ceo-idUSKCN1C82NL)
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on October 04, 2017, 03:50:13 PM
Jack! Here in NW Arkansas we have clear sky's, NO smog, NO smog check on our cars, great people, good doctors, many street rods, green grass and trees, cheap gas, and much more. If you want to see for yourself, come take a look and stay with us. Who knows, you might end up a Razorback.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
If you've seen Al Gore recently, He's eaten a lot of Bovine/ Pork to go with that BMI and tonnage :o
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 04:04:31 PM
Jack! Here in NW Arkansas we have clear sky's, NO smog, NO smog check on our cars, great people, good doctors, many street rods, green grass and trees, cheap gas, and much more. If you want to see for yourself, come take a look and stay with us. Who knows, you might end up a Razorback.
Jack,  if we all move to the Midwest, the country would list and capsize ;D
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: one2.34me on October 04, 2017, 04:44:28 PM
LOL! Thanks for being so kind Dick and Pintosopher! I was sitting here upset with myself because my post was so whiney and off topic. I'm thinking you're right Pintosopher. If every one who wanted to leave Ca. moved out, the country would buckle like a cheap paper plate! I'd love to get back there Dick. I flew over Arkansas once and it was beautiful. So many trees. PBS had me convinced there were only a few trees left in the entire country!
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on October 04, 2017, 05:51:30 PM
Don't worry about leaving a void if you move. If you leave, there will be 5 ill eagle's to take your place. Jerry will see to it don't you know? BTW I have 10 trees in our yard.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on October 04, 2017, 06:15:32 PM
Don't worry about leaving a void if you move. If you leave, there will be 5 ill eagle's to take your place. Jerry will see to it don't you know? BTW I have 10 trees in our yard.

10 trees?
 " If you leaf me now, you take away the biggest part of me!" wooo noo baby please don't go!"
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dga57 on October 04, 2017, 07:09:04 PM
Jack! Here in NW Arkansas we have clear sky's, NO smog, NO smog check on our cars, great people, good doctors, many street rods, green grass and trees, cheap gas, and much more. If you want to see for yourself, come take a look and stay with us. Who knows, you might end up a Razorback.

I can endorse the truthfulness of Dick's description.  Used to spend some time in Siloam Springs which is not far from where he lives!

Dwayne
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on October 05, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
Siloam Springs is 15 miles from our house. It is the home of Marsh wheels and tires for circle track cars. But its no longer open as the owner died and no one has bought it. Very bad as their 13 x 7 mini stock wheels were perfect on a Pinto. Very nice city with many large company's and jobs. Located on hwy 412 at the border of Arkansas. City is split down the middle with the border, so you can be an Okie or a Razorback.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: one2.34me on October 05, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
I really appreciate the invite Dick. I would love to move somewhere like that! Honestly, I just don't see my wife ever leaving the kids and grandkids behind in Ca. I can't blame her though, I can't even imagine myself being stuck somewhere with only me!
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dga57 on October 05, 2017, 05:56:38 PM
Siloam Springs is 15 miles from our house. It is the home of Marsh wheels and tires for circle track cars. But its no longer open as the owner died and no one has bought it. Very bad as their 13 x 7 mini stock wheels were perfect on a Pinto. Very nice city with many large company's and jobs. Located on hwy 412 at the border of Arkansas. City is split down the middle with the border, so you can be an Okie or a Razorback.

My uncle (Myron Peters) was the librarian at John Brown University and my aunt Hulen taught business and typing classes at the high school there for years.  He died in 2009 and she in 2012 so haven't been back there since, although I still have a cousin in Siloam Springs that I keep in touch with.  She was a teacher too but retired at the end of the last school year.  The house where they lived was 1/4 mile from the Oklahoma border.  Small world, eh?

Dwayne :)
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on October 05, 2017, 06:22:13 PM
I really appreciate the invite Dick. I would love to move somewhere like that! Honestly, I just don't see my wife ever leaving the kids and grandkids behind in Ca. I can't blame her though, I can't even imagine myself being stuck somewhere with only me!
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Frank ,same thing here with my wife. We're doomed by the paradox of the access to the coast and Lake Tahoe area. Being land locked would drive her nuts, and me even nuttier dealing with it, and we have no kids, soo, we endure till they impoverish us. BTW in Folsom 1100 sq ft 3bdrm 2Ba now selling for $410K , built in 1959!  And the Beat goes on...  :o :o :o

Pintosopher , no shack left unflipped, No pancake without syrup
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on October 06, 2017, 09:03:11 AM
Just read the news clip on MSN about the 1000 mph Bloodhound that Andy Green ( fastest man in a car on earth ) will drive to try to be the first to go 1000 mph. Has both a jet engine and a rocket engine plus a 800 hp Jaguar engine to just run the fuel pump. What a blast that will be!  They will try in 2018 in South America. The car will draw more press than NASCAR ever though of. Just think, 1000 mph on land. Good luck Andy! You hold the hopes and dreams of every gearhead in the world.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on October 06, 2017, 10:07:42 AM
Just read the news clip on MSN about the 1000 mph Bloodhound that Andy Green ( fastest man in a car on earth ) will drive to try to be the first to go 1000 mph. Has both a jet engine and a rocket engine plus a 800 hp Jaguar engine to just run the fuel pump. What a blast that will be!  They will try in 2018 in South America. The car will draw more press than NASCAR ever though of. Just think, 1000 mph on land. Good luck Andy! You hold the hopes and dreams of every gearhead in the world.
Would that be on wheels or has NASA already beat that with Rocket sleds on rail tracks? :o
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on October 06, 2017, 12:55:39 PM
On wheels just like when he broke the speed of sound in 93 ( 94? ). Andy Green also holds the diesel speed record set on the salt flats. I don't think NASA has ever broken the speed of sound with their sled.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on October 06, 2017, 01:53:51 PM
Just saw on the news that Denny Hamlin thinks that NASCAR drivers should make as much as the NBA and NFL stars make. But for ever hi $$$$ player there are many that don't make the big bucks. Sounds like NASCAR, right? They both act like fools when they win so that's even. When I worked down south for a NASCAR team, even last place payed enough to show up for the next race. We had used tires and engines, in fact the whole car was made up of used parts from a top running team. Its still that way. The stars are all rich and well taken care of, the rest are just hanging on the best they can. So quit your crying Denny and try to win the run offs. Maybe the money NASCAR drivers make should be prorated to where they placed in the race. First place$$$$. Last place$. Racing would be MUCH better that way.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on October 06, 2017, 03:37:31 PM
Just saw on the news that Denny Hamlin thinks that NASCAR drivers should make as much as the NBA and NFL stars make. But for ever hi $$$$ player there are many that don't make the big bucks. Sounds like NASCAR, right? They both act like fools when they win so that's even. When I worked down south for a NASCAR team, even last place payed enough to show up for the next race. We had used tires and engines, in fact the whole car was made up of used parts from a top running team. Its still that way. The stars are all rich and well taken care of, the rest are just hanging on the best they can. So quit your crying Denny and try to win the run offs. Maybe the money NASCAR drivers make should be prorated to where they placed in the race. First place$$$$. Last place$. Racing would be MUCH better that way.
I never heard Mark Martin gripe about the income in Nascar, the man actually had some guts and didn't whine if he never claimed a championship,( Came Damn Close!) So Denny, Get your Hormones Checked, and beware the progressive mantra of outcome based achievement, or you'll see a world where everyone gets a Pony for trying.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: dick1172762 on October 07, 2017, 08:57:03 AM
Today there is a news post on MSN about why the stands are empty at NASCAR races. One I had though of before but never gave much though to. The youth of today are not into cars. There are no gearheads anymore leaving school today. First of all there are no cars made today that makes your blood run warm. The only ones that could, can't be bought by the youth of today. Sport cars are the only hot rods of today, and those people don't dig NASCAR very much if at all. The youth of today are only fired up over their electronics and look at a car as only an object that will interfere with their I pad and such. What can be done? Nothing at all. That's the way it is and there is no cure. Go to a car show and you will see the owners are all over 40. SAYLAVIE America!
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Rebolting73 on October 07, 2017, 05:38:21 PM
Times sure do change. 100 years ago, everyone knew a horse drawn chaise from a brougham. Today, I can't tell a chuck wagon from a stage coach. In spite of my expectations and prompting, only 1 of our 4 kids (a girl) enjoys working on her own car, and that's only because she has the screw head gene and will fix anything. Vintage tin is fading away from the street and into static displays. Makes driving a Pinto even sweeter. Holding those reigns with pride, giddy up little pony.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Pintosopher on October 07, 2017, 05:50:28 PM
Of course if you believe everything MSN propagandizes  ::) then we are cooked.. I'll stick with the business side of reality. The Left has done a bang up job of separating our Youth from the Parental influence of the gender based Interests that supported racing in general. NASCAR has overlooked the marketplace and ignored the Fiscal realities of the Middle Class families. (IT COSTS TOO DAMN MUCH!) Junior and Sally must have the latest in Mobile technologies to just keep up at school, and the parents are losing ground to the Infotainment Universe overhead.
 Show me a child that wants to build things instead of just using things up to a point of Obsolescence, and I'll show you a Future racing Fan :-\
 Daddy and Mommy need to "parent up " and fix this or the  Media will own our children and all of their values, interests, and Income. Code writers? yeah , we must have them, But not at the expense of understanding why they exist.
 All of us Graying Seniors have an obligation, or this will end in the "Rise of the Machines" and the end of Humanity, and it's value to the Future :o

 Pintosopher,  looking to the lessons of History, Humbled by the wisdom of Divinity

 Motorhead to the Equine Ox cart ;)
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Rebolting73 on October 08, 2017, 02:03:54 AM
Yep, California is even trying to extort big oil for cash by filing lawsuits for global warming. One party rule.  To some degree, technology blindly drives culture. The first cars required wiggling, jiggling and incantations to start. If you were not a mechanic, you were walking home. Even 50 years ago, cars were still complex, needing regular attention. The average guy, with average tools would make repairs. Everyone worked on cars back then, so higher interest, pride, value and competition were natural. NASCAR had guys like Dave Marcus (in wing tip shoes) that the average guy could relate to. Today, cars are complicated, going forever with only oil and filters. There is no underlying need stimulating interest with cars, but there is with phones and applications. Even electric or hydrogen cars will not kindle the personal experience needed to fill grandstands.
Title: Re: NASCAR
Post by: Wittsend on October 08, 2017, 06:51:04 PM
Sometimes things just run their course. NASCAR use to help sell family cars to a performance minded dads on Monday. Now they try and sell detergent to housewives. NASCAR, NHRA etc. are not forms that keep up with modern FWD cars people relate to.  Fake bodies and painted on features take their toll on truth too. $60 cheap seats and $10+ beer..., and at some point it becomes "been there, done that" for the fickle fan that never really was.

I'm not sure what NASCAR can do. I was never a fan for lengthy roundy-round racing.  NHRA Pro Stock should go back to stock bodies/floorpans with welded in cages and running currently available engines (even if limited to 4 cylinders).  Allow 4-WD to get around the FWD limitations.  I lost interest with the current cars looking like carburated funny Cars.