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« on: July 28, 2017, 04:02:35 PM »
Target just posted that they are no longer going to be in NASCAR. Who's next?
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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2017, 07:05:27 PM »
Could be they're afraid of Amazon, or maybe they dislike the future E Stock car series that is lurking in the future. Also, it's getting very costly to compete with Penske in NASCAR & Indycar.
 My guess is they're going green to placate the Millennial crowd, and Stock cars are too wasteful in their perception of Video game living.

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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2017, 07:09:32 PM »
Target already left Indy car so might as well leave nascar as well. Heard they decided to take their sponsorship to another sport, but could also be lagging sales due to increased online sales from companies such as Amazon.
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2017, 09:54:10 AM »
After you see the empty grandstands on tv, you know why the likes of Target are going elsewhere.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2017, 11:37:39 AM »
Target now says they will support soccer in place of NASCAR. Good for them as soccer is much bigger than NASCAR and is world wide.
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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2017, 08:35:18 AM »
Success priced the Fans right out of the Speedways, The rest was on France's Bad! Broadband is nailing the Coffin shut too..
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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2017, 10:22:37 AM »
This new format of racing, stoping, racing, stoping, racing looks like something SCCA would come up with. NASCAR needs leadership!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2017, 10:55:08 AM »
This new format of racing, stoping, racing, stoping, racing looks like something SCCA would come up with. NASCAR needs leadership!!!!
The real problem is that in order to keep the fans happy, the affordability to commit to more than just a single day of race viewing has to be  dealt with. Stage racing is a band aid, it helps with the attention span, but just goes halfway to dealing on the Issue of keeping the Interest going on a 500 miler. Out here We used to get 100k fans for the entire weekend at Sonoma. Now the Fans  aren't coming in droves, and even with a dedicated Train from Sacto to the Entrance to the facility, Shuttled into the track. The hillsides aren't full like they used to be. And it's a much shorter road race! I gave up when it took me 1-1/2 hours to get out of the track and drive 30 miles to Napa .  Now the Track is really upgraded for people and it's not filling up with fans like the 90's.  Sounds like  it might wind up becoming Vineyards if the Access and affordability aren't dealt with.
 SCCA has fixed their amateur needs out here with Thunderhill Park in Willows and the place is mostly operating in the Black annually. I marvel at the Fan involvement in Europe in all Kinds of racing. Fix the Blue collar lifestyle incomes or lower the Ticket prices, It will return to balance the books.
 My Direct TV lifestyle gives my options, but I still prefer to  smell , hear, and even taste the Motorsports in my interests 8)
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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2017, 12:02:55 PM »
This new format of racing, stoping, racing, stoping, racing looks like something SCCA would come up with. NASCAR needs leadership!!!!

Unfortunately it appears the sponsors are driving what happens. Unless I am mistaken (which I can be) the new sponsor wanted them to do stages. Heard that to be the case, don't know how true it is. I don't like them because they are manufacturered and set caution periods. Takes some types strategy out of the equation.
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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2017, 12:24:41 PM »
I've been a stock car fan since I can remember. My dad took us to Ascot, 605 Speedway and Riverside, when we were little. I think the BTCC has a winning formula. The race cars, (from many countries), are all made from actual production line white bodies. They qualify on Saturday and race three races on Sunday that each count as separate official points race. Stock car racing is a tidy Hollywood production anymore. I wish they would start with a stock car!
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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2017, 12:27:30 PM »
Was really fun to watch back in the 60's and 70's as the racers were made out of real cars. When I work on the race cars in the 60's, we would buy wrecks or use race cars and go to work. Olds and big Ford's were the hot set up in Nascar early days. Much fun for little cost. The V8 super cars from down under look much like the old days.
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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2017, 04:15:12 PM »
NASCAR is so worried about the smaller crowds in the stands that they have come up with a new idea. Put an ambulance on the track with the race cars. Got to see that in the Last NASCAR race of the regular season. It was wild!!! NASCAR did not tell the drivers what was going to happen during the race. Wow!! It was the best part of the race.
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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2017, 12:41:07 PM »
Sadly sports of all types use to be for ENTHUSIASTS.  But to make more money under the guise of "growing the sport" they go for the lowest common denominator.  When the "fad" fades the jacked up, watered down sport loses those who are off to the next great fad and the enthusiasts have left because the sport wasn't what it once was.  In the end no one comes out the winner.

I'm not saying it doesn't take money to run Bonneville but it does seem to be one of the last motorsports  that doesn't seem tainted by extracting money from fans.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2017, 03:05:03 PM »
Sadly sports of all types use to be for ENTHUSIASTS.  But to make more money under the guise of "growing the sport" they go for the lowest common denominator.  When the "fad" fades the jacked up, watered down sport loses those who are off to the next great fad and the enthusiasts have left because the sport wasn't what it once was.  In the end no one comes out the winner.

I'm not saying it doesn't take money to run Bonneville but it does seem to be one of the last motorsports  that doesn't seem tainted by extracting money from fans.
   Oh so true! Bonneville and hill climbs are the only two left. SCCA like NHRA and NASCAR have priced them above the average fan. And you can watch the last two on the tube. Sad time.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2017, 12:36:19 PM »
Just saw on the msm news that Danica is call it quits in NASCAR. No backing to race on. Now maybe Stewart can put someone in the car that can win. She only won one race as a pro driver and that was indy cars in Japan. The high lite of her Nascar racing was the one pole start.
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 02:57:04 PM »

I still think he owes for wrecking the Pennzoil Ford, but Matt Kenseth would be an improvement in Danica's car.

Also, Aric Amirola is leaving Petty with Smithfield Foods. I wonder who's going to sit in the King's 43?

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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2017, 03:38:16 PM »
Not like the old days that's for sure. Every sponsor we had when I worked down south was done with a hand shake. Nobody tried to steal another teams sponsors or crew members. Cheat a little, yes but never stab someone in the back.
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2017, 07:10:56 PM »

[I'm not saying it doesn't take money to run Bonneville but it does seem to be one of the last motorsports  that doesn't seem tainted by extracting money from fans.



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Re: NASCAR
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2017, 10:26:38 AM »
Watched my first rallycross yesterday and it was ok I guess but there were more race cars than people in the grandstands. Some of the drivers were from around the world. They put on a great show, but for who. All over the world auto racing is playing to fewer and fewer fans in the stands. F1 still has great crowds but more than 10 years ago. No way! F1 races are for the most part in country's where racing like the US is only seen on the tube. The people turn out in great numbers because it may be a year before they get to see another race. NASCAR stands are more and more empty. Very seldom do the people doing the tv report show the stands. NASCAR said not to I guess. NASCAR cars for 2018 look like their viewed through the bottom of a milk bottle. Sad days.
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2017, 12:46:05 PM »
You know Dick I see two things that are effecting NASCAR (and the like).  Money and homogenized rules.  The rules take away individual innovation and money has everyone paying a high price for the identical parts. No longer is it an individual creatively porting a cylinder head. Today everyone gets the same CNC ported piece. A level playing field makes for "follow the leader" racing. The cars no longer represent one similar you can buy at the dealer on Monday.

  I use to be a big fan of NHRA Pro Stock back in the 70's. But as the cars basically developed into carbureted funny cars I lost interest.  I went to the Winternational Warmups (whatever it was called) at Pomona a few years back The stock classes looked more like "Racing Classic Cars." FWD has basically pushed most modern cars out of the class.  It's a changing world and I'm not sure how one deals with it. Staying the same can get old and changing make things "not what they use to be."  Maybe these things have just run their course???

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2017, 04:18:19 PM »
In the new issue of Autoweek there is a VERY good story about Bobby Unser and his view of modern day racing. He says the same you have stated in your post. There is no creatively anything any more with cookie cutter car they have now. I ran AHRA pro stock in the late 60's early 70's with a tunnel port 427 side oiler Ford Fairlane. Cars all looked like something you could buy at the dealership. Very few rules with a lot of home spun work. BTW. AHRA was the first to run pro stock. Couple years before NHRA. Same thing with funny cars. NHRA put them in altered while AHRA had a funny car class. Good ole days at Green Valley Raceway in Ft Worth, Texas.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2017, 05:05:56 PM »
Just saw this on Yahoo news. Farmers Insurance sponsorship payed Kasy Kahne 14 million in 2014 and is paying him $666000 per race in 2017. When is the last time he won a cup race? Where can we sign up?
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Just saw this on Yahoo news. Farmers Insurance sponsorship payed Kasy Kahne 14 million in 2014 and is paying him $666000 per race in 2017. When is the last time he won a cup race? Where can we sign up?

I've never raced in my life but, with payouts like that for the ones who lose, I'd be willing to try a couple of races!  lol

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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2017, 06:12:58 PM »
NASCAR either needs to start racing Stock Cars of cut T.V. coverage! Yes, that will get more people into the stands.. Hell in the South Alabama and Pensacola Areas we still have local races that are packed ... Stock cars and drag races.. NASCAR and the NHRA are slowing killing themselves..

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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2017, 07:00:46 AM »
Remember that Song: "Video killed the Radio Star!"
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" Broadband killed the racing with cars!" In my mind they've gone too far, We can't rewind we've gone too far.
 It's all so easy to see, it makes me say No! It started with the Gran Turismo!"

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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2017, 01:21:37 PM »
Richard Petty said on the news today he would fire anybody on his team that didn't salute the flag before a race. Don't think that will happen because the teams are mostly made up of "good ole boys from down south" and would not very likely protest anything. One of the few plus's NASCAR still has.
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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2017, 01:33:50 PM »
Just saw on the Onion web site that Trump is looking at buying a NASCAR team. Looks like he thinks his running of the country is going so good he'll be a winner in NASCAR right away.
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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2017, 02:20:14 PM »
Richard Petty said on the news today he would fire anybody on his team that didn't salute the flag before a race. Don't think that will happen because the teams are mostly made up of "good ole boys from down south" and would not very likely protest anything. One of the few plus's NASCAR still has.
Interesting that in F1, the top 3 finishers must stand and allow the national anthems for all of the 3 finishers before they can spray champagne and interviews are started. I'm nauseated with the politics of this past year with the "knee".  My thoughts are with the vets that lost their limbs fighting for the safety of others, not some candy a$$ overpaid sports star that doesn't get it!
 Fire em all! I'll be fine and my money can be spent elsewhere... >:(
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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2017, 03:13:29 PM »
Amen, Pintosopher! When I was still teaching, every morning the school had someone recite the pledge over the intercom. Due to some student's religious beliefs, we could not require students to recite the pledge. It eventually got to the point where we could not even make them stand. I would tell my students that the "respectful" thing to do was to stand quietly. Standing for the pledge was not "forbidden" by any religion. I compared it to the Olympic medal ceremonies where the audience stands while the gold medalist's national anthem is played and the flags are raised. Standing was a sign of respect for the winners and what they had achieved. Period. You were not supporting their politics or religious beliefs. I would frequently read articles about people who sacrificed their lives for this country and state that the least students could do to show respect for these heroes was to quietly stand while others recited the pledge. I also asked students to think of standing as a way to honor any of their family members who had served in the military.
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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2017, 09:48:24 AM »
Jerry Brown (governor of the west coast) just said on the news that he was going to ban internal combustion engines as soon as possible. Easy way would be to just ban gasoline. Nascar only has one or two races out there so no big deal.
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