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Shiny is Good! => It's all about the Turbo... => Topic started by: Scott Hamilton on September 24, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
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Talk Turbo if you dare, :)
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i've had a few in the cars i've owned over the years. and those 'years' were MANY years ago!
- '71 Pinto
- '73 Caprii V6
- '73 Fiat 124
- '80 Toyota Pick Up
- '80 Ford Fairmont
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Hmmm... I know absolutely nothing about turbochargers except that there are two of them on my 2012 Lincoln MKT (Ecoboost) and that sucker will get up and GO!!!
Dwayne :)
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I have had 5 Turbobirds, currently have a 306T Zephyr,and the 79 Turbo Pinto wagon.
There are 2 complete 2.3Ts in the corner of the shop for "projects".
I am eat up with turbo stuff(turbos,BOVs,WGs,hot and cold side piping.
I will say the turbo cars are more fun than the N2O cars( 88 306 Fox Hatch and a 82 Granada Wagon).
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And if you think the MKT runs good,wait until the ST Focus is released.
The SHO will go 12s with a tune ,stickies and nothing else.
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I just purchased my first Turbo wagon 79 model, 85 TB with the good ole 5 speed behind it.
The first time that I put it in gear and turned up that beautiful mountain side in Arizona and felt the little 10# boost come alive... I new I was hooked. :o
No more V8's for me. ???
Super Turbo is on its way to Texas real soon. :-X
This will give me a good driver and one that will pull your pants leg off if you get to close to the wheel well ; :o
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Talk Turbo if you dare, :)
Your the Man Scott!!!
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After many months(years) of buying parts the swap for my 1976 Pinto wagon has started. I 'm finally wrapping up the parts list and ready to go. The doner car's where a 1985 Merkur XR4Ti and a 1977 Ford Pinto wagon (8 " rear end) and alot of Rockauto , EBay,local wrecking yards, Autozone etc...
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This should come in really handy down the road. I still plan to tub my '73 but I'm probably going with a 2.3 turbo/T-5 instead of the 302/T-5 I wanted to run.
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5.0 I was impressed with mine and it's just bone stock. Also from what I read, they are pretty much bullet proof up to about 7 grand RPM's
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The poorly running draw-through on Callisto really kicked a$$ once it spooled up. I also have an '87 T-Type & an '87 GN & I love it when the boost kicks in.
Now that I have the glass fenders, bumper & hood I'm loathe to add weight back in if I can help it. I'm shooting for 2100 pounds wet.
What I may do is piece together my EFI Turbo since I have a fresh turbo 2.3 longblock already. I want a bigger turbo, larger injectors, header, bigger throttle body & modified intake anyhow so why bother starting with stock parts. Big VAM's & wiring harnesses are on Ebay as are the ECU's so why not buy it a piece at a time. I have all the time in the world to dig up the parts since I wont even get to this car for at least 2 years anyhow.......
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5.0 I'm doing the same thing. Piece here and there.
I've already stared finding up grade parts for my wagon.
But the secrete one is coming soon!!!!!
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What I may do is piece together my EFI Turbo since I have a fresh turbo 2.3 longblock already. I want a bigger turbo, larger injectors, header, bigger throttle body & modified intake anyhow so why bother starting with stock parts. Big VAM's & wiring harnesses are on Ebay as are the ECU's so why not buy it a piece at a time. I have all the time in the world to dig up the parts since I wont even get to this car for at least 2 years anyhow.......
Miswell Just upgrade to a megasquirt system and not mess with the stock efi stuff If your pieceing it together anyhow.
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Miswell Just upgrade to a megasquirt system and not mess with the stock efi stuff If your pieceing it together anyhow.
Bigtimmay.
The megasquirt system seems to be pretty staright forward as far as installation, But writing all the programs it needs, is a Big challenge for me.
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My plan was to run this harness with the SVO ECU & VAM to make my life easier.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RFW-MG65/Application/?prefilter=1 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RFW-MG65/Application/?prefilter=1)
I'm not heavily into EFI but I'm on a fast learning curve. Most turbo swaps are abandoned due to wiring headaches & until I learn every square inch of each connection & what it does I want to go with a plug & play harness regardless of the cost.
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50 I was lucky that my 79 was already made up. I'm just going to bolt on 87-88 parts and a new head. Just to make a little more HP.
I have met some great people in regards to the EFI stuff. Had I not I wouldn't be trying it myself.
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Bigtimmay.
The megasquirt system seems to be pretty straight forward as far as installation, But writing all the programs it needs, is a Big challenge for me.
Yeah but if your like me and you want some real power say 400+ your gonna have to tune it no matter what unless you wanna break stuff often. An when it come to tuning your basically either gonna use a J3 chip or run a stand alone ECU and from the programs Ive seen used by both for tuning the Squirt seems simpler.
I love my turbofords but they are old and well when ya drive one you better have spare parts on hand. Most of the parts that fail 90% of the time while driving a TF can be replaced/removed by swapping in a squirt. Also you can get squirts that plug in place of the stock ECU (PIMP ECU is just one of those) now so there is very minimal wiring needed if any.
If your gonna run the engine relatively stock sure ya can just drop in a large Vam,La3 ECU, brown top injectors and turn the boost to 15 psi and with a AFPR to 18 psi and just drive it. But like I said if your planning on a larger turbo,injectors, 20+ psi, High flowing BV head well then ya miswell do it once and not have to redo it later.
That detail zone harness is a nice piece though its alot nicer then my Merkur harness.
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EFI was intimidating to me for the longest time but routine maintainance on my Neon & my dually has eased me into it. If I have an issue I Google it & work my way through it. I'm not ready to tune an engine with my laptop but I think I can get a 2.3 EFI swap done with my limited knowledge.
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Bigtimmay,
So your saying the PIMP that Stinger offers is pretty much a plug and play?
Which one would you say is the best/easiest?
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EFI was intimidating to me for the longest time but routine maintainance on my Neon & my dually has eased me into it. If I have an issue I Google it & work my way through it. I'm not ready to tune an engine with my laptop but I think I can get a 2.3 EFI swap done with my limited knowledge.
Its actually super simple specially with that harness you wanna use Its even easier then using a merkur harness like I did.By the way heres the actual company that makes that harness. http://www.thedetailzone.com/Ford%20Replacement%20Harnesses.htm (http://www.thedetailzone.com/Ford%20Replacement%20Harnesses.htm)
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Bigtimmay, My 79 is already running.It has the 85 thunderbird Turbo in it with the T5. Wiring should be completes and ready for a PIMP, what do you think? Will I still need to do allot of tuning, if I put the PIMP in it.
All I'm wanting to do is install a Boport header, Boport stage 1 and looking for the intakes and such from a 87-88 now.
What else to make it a good runner?
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Bigtimmay,
So your saying the PIMP that Stinger offers is pretty much a plug and play?
Which one would you say is the best/easiest?
Yes the PIMP is plug and play. Last I recall when you order one I comes with a base tune for starting the engine pre installed just gotta tell him whats all done to the engine.Then you can use a registered version of Tunerstudio and activate VE analyze live and it tunes while you drive.
I plan on doing the Pimp worste comes to worse I talk to my tuning buddy and get my car tuned that way but From all Ive read and seen its seems simple atleast to me.
By the way johnbigman2011 If your car doesnt have it already Id suggest yah install a 3 inch exhaust system and an Intercooler preferbly a front mount they work better then the stock 87-88 ones.Also if your injectors are the green tops you could install a set of brown tops and Large vam and ECU (requires repining the ECU plug but its easy) from a 87-88 Bird. and turn the boost to 15psi. easy way to have a 200+hp 2.3.
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Its actually super simple specially with that harness you wanna use Its even easier then using a merkur harness like I did.By the way heres the actual company that makes that harness. http://www.thedetailzone.com/Ford%20Replacement%20Harnesses.htm (http://www.thedetailzone.com/Ford%20Replacement%20Harnesses.htm)
Cool, simplicity is what I'm after. I only want about 300 HP at the wheels MAX. I'd like to get it into the high 11's & at 2100 pounds it should be quite capable. I don't want a tempermental PITA that blows head gaskets & melts pistons. This is just going to be a fun driver. My Stang will have all the HP I'll ever want & one insane street car is all I need.
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Bigtimmay, My 79 is already running.It has the 85 thunderbird Turbo in it with the T5. Wiring should be completes and ready for a PIMP, what do you think? Will I still need to do allot of tuning, if I put the PIMP in it.
All I'm wanting to do is install a Boport header, Boport stage 1 and looking for the intakes and such from a 87-88 now.
What else to make it a good runner?
Intercooler, 3" exhaust, brown top injectors, Large VAM ,87-88 bird ECU(unless you do switch to a squirt setup then the vam and ecu are pointless), manual boost controller,AFPR and a Wideband setup so yah can keep and eye on AFR.
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Thanks Bigtimmay.
I hoping to do some trading when I'm home here in a coiple of weeks for the parts you mentioned.
The ole boy I bought my 79 from put the 87-88 IC under the hood and cut a hole for it to breath. I will be changing that to the FMIC for sure. Just will have to live with a small off set scoop for a while.
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Have you checked to see if your engines a 85 or a 85.5? easiest way to know which one would be look at the injectors and see what color they are also what intake does it have on it now?
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I didn't know that about the injectors untill I got back over here. That will be one thing I do when I get home.
Basically I just dropped the car and had to catch a plane.
The color should be visible right?
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yup its easily spotted will look like one of these 2.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/863/018v.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/863/018v.jpg/)
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Cool, a new area to read!!
I like it... I've done a few turbo setups
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What have you built, fast64ranchero?
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John,Got a nice front mount ic also.
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I'm San Antonio bound!!!
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i own a 73 pinto scott you the man i was wondering if anyone on here has a 2.3 turbo motor with wiring they would like too sell like too put it in my gold 73 thanks