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« on: January 08, 2013, 04:42:34 PM »
OK, stay with me here since this is a bit long winded but I'm gonna be tight on spare money for the next 6 or so months. I need to make the right decisions the 1st time since I can't afford any mistakes.
 
I've taken stock of my turbo parts & need to make the best of what I have. I have an '83 TC longblock with 53K miles that other than swapping oil pans is going in as-is.
 
I have an 87 TC head with unknown miles that I plan to have hot tanked, checked for cracks, decked & re-assembled with the stock valves & springs provided they all check out fine. I think I'm gonna use a Ranger roller since it's proven to work in these engines. The machine work & cam should be my only expenses here I hope.
 
I have plenty of 2 1/2" intercooler tubing with a blowoff valve, silicone couplers & clamps & the FMIC I wanna run is only 65 bucks on Ebay when I'm ready for it.
 
I only have a Merkur harness so it will be used. I also ended up with an LA3 computer so it's going in.
 
I have both a small & large VAM but the LA3 is calibrated to the large already so that's a no brainer.
 
I have the '83 & '87 distributors but the '83 only has 53K miles on it so I'll use that one unless anyone knows it's a bad idea or it's different.
 
I have 2 E6 manifolds so screw the header for now since I cant afford it. I can't spare the cash for the manifold flip plates & I want my heater so I'm either going with a smaller blower motor or I may have my buddy machine me a solid steel spacer that raises the exhaust elbow above the blower motor if this is even an option. A 2 inch spacer will probably cost me 50 bucks to have made so I need to be sure this approach will even work before I waste cash I can't spare. Anyone tried this before?
 
I have the '83 T3 super60 with 53K miles on it but I'm missing the exhaust housing & waste gate. I think I can run it as-is without a rebuild but I need to buy the missing parts & it's only oil cooled & most turbo guys say avoid them for that reason. I also have the '87 IHI that probably should be gone through but it's complete & isn't missing parts. It looks small compered to the T3 but I really don't know which is the better choice. Either way I spend on missing parts or a rebuild/checkup so I need to know where to put the cash.
 
I don't have a downpipe for either & have seen them for T3's that eliminate the internal wastegate for an external & they look like it may solve the blower motor clearance issue. Has anyone gone this route & does it clear the motor? 
 
I have the '83 & '87 throttle bodies which appear identical so I plan to use the lower mileage '83 part unless the '87 is the better choice.
 
I have the inline intake but I'm missing the injectors, fuel rail & pressure regulator.
 
I have the brown top 35# injectors from the '87 that I plan to send out for cleaning & rebuilding while it's apart & I heard it's not very expensive compared to new injectors.
 
I plan to use the '87 intake since it's complete but should I change to an adjustable regulator or stick with the stocker since I'm not making major changes to the stock engine?
 
I was going to cut & rotate the upper intake & I was thinking I could gut the upper while I'm at it & also knife edge the lower since none of this will cost me anything. Do these mods affect the tune with the stock computer?
 
I should have all the sensors, oil feed & return lines & even the steel water lines from both engines. I'm hoping this will fire up using the stock computer & not give me any of the headaches others seem to encounter. I'll worry about pumping up the HP down the road but for now I need to keep it simple.
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Re: Choices, choices, choices.......
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 09:38:23 PM »
i think youre on the right track with everything, you can use a honda blower motor in the pinto to clear the exhaust, look in the 80s models, id use the t3, not being oil and water cooled is not a problem.... just dont run it hard and shut it down right after.....merc harness is fine, this guy is good and dependable for the injector service.... i recommend him....http://www.cruzinperformance.com/

if you can find a npr intercooler, they bolt up to the factory radiator holes at the top...and fit perfectly around the radiator.... minimal trimming for the inlet and outlet... a factory tbird downpipe will fit the pinto..... i may have one if you need it...if you are not doing anything as far as porting to the head, the other mods you are gonna do will not have enough of an impact to make a chage in the tune.
 
a blowoff valve may cause stalling when used with the vam..... if it can be used as a bypass valve and piped back into the intake track just behind the vam it will stop that problem
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Re: Choices, choices, choices.......
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 10:27:14 PM »
i think youre on the right track with everything, you can use a honda blower motor in the pinto to clear the exhaust, look in the 80s models, id use the t3, not being oil and water cooled is not a problem.... just dont run it hard and shut it down right after.....merc harness is fine, this guy is good and dependable for the injector service.... i recommend him....http://www.cruzinperformance.com/

Thanks for the link. As soon as I can spare the cash I'll send my injectors out. Under 100 bucks including shipping isn't bad at all.
 
Do I need the Honda hamster wheel or will the Pinto wheel work?
 
I was leaning T3 & driving a truck got me in the habbit of a cool down before shutdown anyhow. I'm thinking of running either an Accusump or one of the timed electric oil pumps for cooling down & pre-start lube purposes. 

if you can find a npr intercooler, they bolt up to the factory radiator holes at the top...and fit perfectly around the radiator.... minimal trimming for the inlet and outlet... a factory tbird downpipe will fit the pinto..... i may have one if you need it...if you are not doing anything as far as porting to the head, the other mods you are gonna do will not have enough of an impact to make a chage in the tune.

I could definitely use the downpipe. All I need to find then would be the exhaust housing.
 
As far as this head I'm planning to remove the casting flash & smooth any sharp edges & rough spots with cartridge rolls before dropping it at the machine shop but I don't plan to remove any material. With stock valves the porting is useless anyhow. If I feel the need for more power down the road I have a spare head I'll send to Bo-port for stage 3 porting.
 
a blowoff valve may cause stalling when used with the vam..... if it can be used as a bypass valve and piped back into the intake track just behind the vam it will stop that problem

I can just leave out that section of pipe with the BOV so I can avoid any issues with the VAM.
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Re: Choices, choices, choices.......
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 11:16:27 PM »
Here's how I modified a stock '77 heater to work with a T3
http://www.turbopinto.com/index.php?topic=782.0
 
Still working excellently.
 
Full build FWIW: http://www.turbopinto.com/index.php?topic=729.0
 
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2013, 11:16:54 PM »
porting with stock valves can result in a lot of gain... pocket port and rework the shortside radius will give the most bang
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 01:24:26 PM »
Here's how I modified a stock '77 heater to work with a T3
http://www.turbopinto.com/index.php?topic=782.0
 
Still working excellently.
 
Full build FWIW: http://www.turbopinto.com/index.php?topic=729.0
 
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That makes me wonder if your idea can be combined with the shorter blower motor to gain even more clearance. I'll have to give that a shot when the time comes.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 03:08:25 PM »
porting with stock valves can result in a lot of gain... pocket port and rework the shortside radius will give the most bang

This head may end up on my sons '80 at some point if I turbo it so I'm not gonna do more than some clean up work. I figure this combo should get me 220 HP & until I drive it awhile I wont know if I want more in a daily driver. I'm gonna Pro Street my '73 sedan & toss the tunnel rammed 302/T-5 combo in it since I have it but If I really want to go over 400 HP with a turbo 2.3L I may put it in there 4 or 5 years down the road & leave the wagon alone.
 
I don't really have a solid plan for the future because there are too many IF's to see past.
 
BTW, is this the correct exhaust housing for the Super 60? I wont have the turbo in front of me for 2 weeks & since it's missing I have no clue what it looks like.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GARRETT-internal-wastegate-kit-T3-turbo-Turbonetics-T3-T4-actuator-housing-/271134830063?fits=Make:Merkur|Model:XR4Ti&hash=item3f20e52def&item=271134830063&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr#ht_1040wt_932
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2013, 03:35:57 PM »
yeah thats the 5 bolt elbow and correct wastegate actuator
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