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AK MILLER 2.0
« on: December 05, 2012, 08:28:50 PM »
From all the reading and looking..... I found just what I needed to finish off my Pinto Powered T bucket.

Check this pile of parts out :o
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2012, 09:28:54 PM »
I knew you weren't going to wait to tell every body.
It looks awesome.
Can't wait to see it on that grate looking t-bucket
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2012, 09:52:57 PM »
You know it C..

Now I just need to get home, to see how to start installing it..
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2012, 12:13:17 AM »
Is that the one off Ebay with the broken shaft?
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2012, 12:41:07 AM »
That's correct.. Turbo was to big for my motor anyways.

Now ,I'm looking for a new turbo and a good 2bbl carburator.

And all the hoses and drains and such.

Keeps me busy while I'm in the jungle for sure.
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2012, 07:21:31 AM »
Just a FYI for your turbo search and not sure how important this is.  "Back in the day" turbos had two different styles of compressor shaft oil seals - carbon or centrifugal.  The carbon seal was used when the seal saw vacuum like a draw through carb.  The centrifugal was used when the seal saw no vacuum with the throttle down stream of the turbo - most applications nowadays.  Hopefully somebody with experience with this detail will chime in.
http://www.turboneticsinc.com/search/node/carbon%20seal
 
That kit looks great and in good shape.
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2012, 08:34:29 AM »
That was a great price on that. I don't know if you got it for the opening bid but if you did it's a bargain.
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2012, 10:01:54 AM »
Its not a big deal to get the correct type seal
for a draw thru.The VW guys will be the best bet as they
love the DT setups.

John,you should of said something about wanting to
turbo the 2.0.I had a bunch of 2.0 stuff and got rid of
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2012, 10:23:37 AM »
John, my thoughts on your set up. First, that Turbo is a full T4 turbo that actually works very nicely on a 2.0 motor. If you replace it with something else, like a T3-T4 hybrid you will need to make or get an adapter to the exhaust manifold as the T4 flange and the T3 flange are different. Just something to think about when shopping turbos. If it were me, I might want to stick with a good T4 replacement.
That said, your system does not have a waste gate. I have seen people ( that have enough room ) make an adapter from the exhaust manifold ( T4 ) to a T3 turbo that incorporates a waste gate flange. I will try to describe it: At the Exhaust manifold you will have a T4 flange that bolts to the manifold. next going outboard of that you will have a piece of square ( or rectangle ) pipe that is just long enough to have a flange welded in the bottom to except a waste gate. Then ( moving outboard again) you will finally have a flange that will except the T3 turbo. This doesent work on a Pinto because it moves the turbo to far out and hits the fender well, but on a Tbucket you might have enough room. Hope that all makes sense.
Carburetors : That system was originally made for the holly 5200 carb but I used a Holly 500 CFM 2 barrel on one of my cars and it worked. I had to build an adapter plate for it but that was not hard. One of the bigger issues with this setup is that the crossover pipe tends to condensate the fuel mixture. Plus the carb is lower than the crossover so fuel mixture has to flow up/around etc. This leads to harder starts etc. The VWs have a good thing going as they have the carb as the highest piece of the componuts and everything flows down hill.
 
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2012, 02:51:25 PM »
Thanks for the info for sure... I would greatly appreciate some detailed pictures of your set up of the waste gate configuration that you mentioned.

Room is not an option as you mentioned.. I think it would look great having the carb and turbo away from the engine. WOW factor 8)

I have been searching and looking around the net for as many setups as possible..... Turbopinto72 yours setup is tops for sure.

Here is a picture of the 2.3 turbo installed in a T bucket. I like the look for sure.. I think the AK setup will be a more vintage and a cleaner look.
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2012, 03:02:45 PM »
That's cool! There's a Pinto hiding in that bucket!
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2012, 03:48:09 PM »
Question.. Could a extension to the manifold be made to raise the turbo and carb up to possibly limit the chance of fuel pooling and also hold a waste gate??
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 09:10:32 PM »
I was using a 2 inch tall spacer to raise the turbo,it has a wastegate flange built into it.
I was doing a drawthru but I believe I am changing it to a BT.

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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2012, 01:44:34 AM »
Where would I find one of those spacers?? I want to give the drawthru a chance..

I'm not looking for tire smoke, boost... Just the look.

It is a warm day car for sure..
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2012, 03:25:56 AM »
I'll 2nd Brads observations. 
 
Especially with the fuel pooling until the thing is up to operating temp. 
 
If you have the room then raising the turbo/carb can't hurt but to have it all hidden under the hood would be a plus.  Does the car allow you the room to do this?
 
I used a modified Holley/Weber at first but after many melted pistons made the change to a Ford 2bbl from a Ford truck (360 C.I. truck motor) using the carb-to-turbo manifold that Ak Millers had for their Ford Truck kits.
 
It solved a ton of fuel distribution problems under high boost situations but did not change the any of the fuel pooling under the carb.  I learned to live with it!
 
In my experience with this setup, once operating temp is up to normal your driving experience will be real nice.
 
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2012, 09:21:48 PM »
Room is not an issue with my car for sure... I can always lean my head over to see around the carb/turbo if needed ;D
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2012, 03:57:01 PM »
Just spoke with the wife... The AK set up made it to the house ;D
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2013, 08:51:07 PM »
Hello, can anyone please help shed some light on where I can go to find a AK Miller turbo kit for a 2.0 pinto engine??? Any information would help out..... Thank you

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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2013, 09:13:11 PM »
Hello, can anyone please help shed some light on where I can go to find a AK Miller turbo kit for a 2.0 pinto engine??? Any information would help out..... Thank you

They are out there but hard to come by for sure.. I have been a Pinto owner for over 2 years now and the setup intrigued me from the first time I seen one ( In pictures) They were used on the Pangra setups that a few of our members here own and have even worked with some of the original Pangras ever built.

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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2013, 01:09:38 PM »
Do you know of any other type of turbo kits that are compatible with the 2.0??? I have heard talk of a few companies that make them but again, ive had a pretty hard time locating or finding any info on them.

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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2013, 08:19:59 PM »
Other companies that sold turbo kits in the US for the 2.0 Pinto were Accel, Car Corporation and Spearco. 
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2013, 08:38:05 PM »
Spearco is 'still' in business but to what extent they deal in turbo systems I couldn't tell you.  I believe that the company is located in Calabasas, Ca.
 
George Spears is listed as the presiding officer of the company.
 
A lot of the business (intercoolers I believe) was sold to Turbonetics in Moorpark, Ca.  This was a long time ago.  it's possible, but not probable that they may have some insight on what happened to the old Pinto systems or perhaps you may be successful in contacting Mr Spears personally.
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2013, 07:06:16 PM »
Well I just added another piece to the AK set up. What do you guys think?
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2013, 03:11:33 AM »
Well I just added another piece to the AK set up. What do you guys think?

use a 2bbl carb
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Re: AK MILLER 2.0
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2013, 04:31:53 PM »
Where would I find one of those spacers?? I want to give the drawthru a chance..

I'm not looking for tire smoke, boost... Just the look.

It is a warm day car for sure..


Hi I came across your thread and thought I'd share some info.


I was working on replicating the A.K. Miller turbo setup I had on my '73 runabout back in the mid '70s - I am no longer doing this project so my parts are for sale. Below is a link to my flickr photoset 2.0 turbo parts. In there you will see I have a T4/T3 angle adaptor. It does not have a wastegate flange but I'm sure you could find someone to fab it up for you.


Back in the '70s we didn't have ready access to inter-coolers or wastegates like now so we used exhaust back pressure or inline bullet style spring actuated limiters to limit boost and water injection directly into the carb to cool the intake charge. Plus with a draw through application your carb size will help restrict boost as well as the turbo can only draw so much air through as the carb will allow.


I did have the block O-ringed, was running a Crane turbo grind cam with double spring values and teflon seals. For oil drainage we just popped a hole in the TOP (above the line where at rest the oil reaches) of the oil pan on the same side as the turbo and used a 1/2 inch angled brass plumbing fitting. Tapped into the oil sending outlet with an adapter to keep the oem idiot light, run a manual oil pressure gauge line and a line to an external oil filter on the firewall then into the turbo oil inlet. The extra filter help cool the oil a little before going into the turbo and added an extra layer of safety for the turbo shaft. Speaking of which always let your turbo cool down before turning off the engine otherwise you will cook the oil and shorten the life of the turbo.

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Also check out CBPerformance. com (vintage VW performance parts) for turbos that are Carbon sealed and ready to go: http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=7489



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