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2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« on: September 07, 2013, 05:34:03 PM »
  Ok, got the motor bolted in, trans mount modified and in, now I know the shifter sits ahead an inch or so but does it also sit to the side a bit?
Or is this just more of my luck ? I know the trans mount is straight where its modified so that cant be a problem.

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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2013, 11:17:38 PM »
Here are a few pictures of my T-5 as it is positioned to the transmission tunnel.  You will have to "look through" the steering wheel in one of the images to see the position. Hope it helps.  I don't recall the shifter being offset significantly to one side.  That said cars have offset purposely designed into them to cause the needle bearings need to rotate in the U-Joint.  Otherwise, the load would always be in the same spot on the needles causing them to flatten.  I don't know if this is the case with your setup, but should be considered.

FYI, the shifter was cut down and re-angled. It is attached to a plate that slightly elevates and moves it rearward.  The shifter boot cover is from a '88 Turbo Coupe.

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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 05:33:34 PM »
I read on a Merkur site that you can use the Camaro T5 tailhousing and shift fork/rail/side cover assembly to move the shifter back about an inch, pretty close to inline with the stock 4 speed and the T9. Should avoid having to cut the hole bigger. I'm going to be doing this to my car, I'll post picture when I finally get it done.
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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2013, 06:41:27 PM »
not sure about camaro but s10 is a for sure, we put one in a mustang II years ago this way.
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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2013, 07:10:24 AM »
S10 t5 moves the shifter far forward.  I have pics of mine on my phone but don't know how to post. You chan check my 41 ford build on my photobucket page to see the shifter location. Ford371j2@yahoo.com is my email and name through photobucket. There is a good pic of it during mock up. I think mustangs have it the farthest back on the t5. Although, a buddy just swapped s10 fork and tail housings onto a Camaro t5 so I can see where the camaros put the shifter. I think it's at an angle and kinda in the middle.
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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2013, 03:32:35 PM »
At an angle? Hmm. I'll have to compare both side to side when I get my hands on a Camaro tranny. The Camaro is definitely about an inch further back than the Mustang, I was looking at one over at my buddy's place.
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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2013, 08:25:45 PM »
the camaro is cocked to one side because of the mount and bell housing not the tail,, Timmy

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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2013, 09:36:52 PM »
I got a Camaro NWC T5 (my T-Bird T5 is WC but the tailhousings are compatible) and did more research, bellhousing is angled 18 degrees. As is the shift lever and transmission mount. I was planning to make a custom crossmember out of angle iron and buy a short throw shifter anyways, so that doesn't matter to me.

Speedometer gears are not compatible whatsoever. The gear on the output shaft is in a completely different spot, teeth spiral in the opposite direction, and the receiver is below instead of above (accounting for the opposite teeth). GM people shim it to move the gear (S10 and Camaro have different locations on the shaft but same teeth), but the splines are different Ford to GM (28 vs 27) so you can't slide the Camaro gear onto the Ford output shaft. I'm almost positive you can swap in the Camaro output shaft if both transmissions are the same (WC vs NWC) and there are GM splined yokes available that fit the same 1310 u-joints.

I'm plugging the speedo cable hole off with a 7/8" freeze plug (already measured it with calipers) and using an electronic speedometer from the junkyard (probably my Ranger one actually after putting a junkyard Explorer cluster in my Ranger to get a tach) with the speed sensor in my 8.8" Explorer rear.

Core Shifters has a straight up and down short throw base for $94 with Hurst internals that I'm going to get along with a Hurst lever and knob. It's under $200 total including the Hurst bezel to fit my early Fox Mustang center console. The stock Camaro shift lever is 1pc unlike the Ford T5. You could heat it up with a torch and bend it straight if you want to be cheap.

The actual shifter base is straight when used with a non-angled bellhousing. The mount is at an 18" angle but it still fits the Ford T5 fine. Just be prepared to custom fab a crossmember.

The Camaro T5 shifter does sit about 1" further back than the Ford one, should be pretty much a perfect fit with the stock Pinto shifter hole.  I think it MIGHT be small enough to swap the shift base from inside the car but I'm not sure yet. I'll post more details when I actually put it in the car, I haven't gotten that far yet. Focusing on the rear end first, then trans soon.
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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2013, 09:45:56 PM »

Camaro on right in 1st pic


Camaro on left in 2nd pic.

The Camaro tailhousing looks longer, but the longer seal in the Ford housing makes them pretty much the same length. Yoke will still seal no problem, same diameter seal on both. It sealed against my Aerostar and T-Bird driveshaft yokes.
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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2013, 06:44:54 AM »
I know I found it one time.....just had a quick look & it didn't pop out at me.
Hurst makes a shifter handle , bolt on replacement , to move the handle back.

http://hurst-shifters.com/?page_id=152&slug=manual-shifters&page=1

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Re: 2.3 Turbo T-5 Shifter Question
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2014, 11:50:20 PM »
So I successfully frankensteined the Camaro parts on and tested fitted the transmission. You'll have to go with an electronic speedometer with this setup, there is no easy way to make the speedometer gears work. You might be able to use a Camaro output shaft with a GM 1310 yoke, the spline count is different. I'm plugging the speedo cable hole with a freeze plug.

The shifter lines up absolutely perfect. With the aftermarket Hurst/Core base it'll be straight and not angled 18 degrees like the Camaro one. The transmission crossmember will be relatively easy to fab up. I want to make some stronger mounting points than factory.









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