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Shiny is Good! => It's all about the Turbo... => Topic started by: CanadianBatman on July 25, 2014, 11:47:20 AM

Title: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on July 25, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
Man I love seeing that written out. So here's the plan race fans. I Picked up this peach of a 1979 Wagon that has had a minor custom body modification, a-la mini ranchero. Now while it's cooler than all Heck seeing every car guy/girl and such try to contort their minds around what it actually is before asking me, I want to give it that extra punch, and make it go really fast. Or at least as fast as I can without much more major body modification. (I'm not the world's best at bodywork.) I had a 1979 Trunk model and harbored ideas to drop a turbo 2.3 into it, but when this thing came up, I just had to have it. Even traded the coupe off to get a 1985 turbo coupe thunderbird as a donor car. So I guess this will be my project journal, as it where. Here's a couple of pictures of the cars and the work I have ahead of me.
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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: don33 on July 25, 2014, 04:24:31 PM
That is a very nice, very unique pinto... very cool.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on July 25, 2014, 06:38:41 PM
That is very cool..
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: russosborne on July 25, 2014, 07:12:45 PM
It looks like whoever did that really knew what they were doing.
Very Nice!
Russ
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: dga57 on July 26, 2014, 04:48:34 PM
The Pinchero conversion looks like quality workmanship... should make a GREAT project!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on July 28, 2014, 11:26:58 AM
Thanks guys! It's looking to be a challenge, this is my first engine swap. My hopes are for around 200 horse on the road for the first time I take it out, And build from there. The only thing is, these cars are technically a unibody, and I'm missing half of my rear end. The panel under the rear window is plywood and fibreglass. At 200hp do you guys think it's a necessity to build a roll cage to strengthen the frame, or should I be okay for now? By the time I figure I'll be "done" with the car, I want about 400 out of it, but By then I'll have a cage.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: dianne on July 28, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
Pretty sweet!
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on July 28, 2014, 04:38:42 PM
A few other things that have me thinking are, I will need a pinto pickup/oil pan and engine mounts right? Also will I have to weld in the bases for the mounts? I've been searching, but unable to come up with an answer. A few guys have had to, but that's in early bodied cars whereas mine is a 79 with an 85 donor and I'm going from a v6, auto and I think an 8" to turbo 4, manual, 8".
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on July 28, 2014, 11:04:12 PM
Well...it's a 6.75 rear...damn. wgf-an on the axle tag. 308 gear ratio though. Probably won't hold up to 200 horse eh?
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: don33 on July 29, 2014, 03:18:38 PM
A few other things that have me thinking are, I will need a pinto pickup/oil pan and engine mounts right? Also will I have to weld in the bases for the mounts? I've been searching, but unable to come up with an answer. A few guys have had to, but that's in early bodied cars whereas mine is a 79 with an 85 donor and I'm going from a v6, auto and I think an 8" to turbo 4, manual, 8".

yep, you will need a 2.3 pinto oil pan/pickup and engine mounts. not sure about the bases. I don't have any experience with the 6.75 rear, but they were made to deal with 80 or 90 HP. If it were me, I'd be looking for an 8", especially if you see some possible spirited driving in your future...
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on July 30, 2014, 12:40:24 PM
Thanks guys! It's looking to be a challenge, this is my first engine swap. My hopes are for around 200 horse on the road for the first time I take it out, And build from there.

200rwhp should be fairly trivial with stock parts, an intercooler, and 2.5-3.0" exhaust. The intercooled 2.3T cars frequently made their rated flywheel horsepower at the wheels. Ford has been pretty good about underrating their performance engines since then. ;D

A large VAM+ECU and E6 manifold would make 200rwhp easier though. I don't think any 1985 cars were titled as 1985s; just 1986.

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At 200hp do you guys think it's a necessity to build a roll cage to strengthen the frame, or should I be okay for now? By the time I figure I'll be "done" with the car, I want about 400 out of it, but By then I'll have a cage.

Subframe connectors would probably help bridge the gap between a cage and nothing at all.

Well...it's a 6.75 rear...damn. wgf-an on the axle tag. 308 gear ratio though. Probably won't hold up to 200 horse eh?

I asked this same question recently in General Talk:

http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/powertorque-limits-of-a-stock-6-75in-rear-end/msg151107/#msg151107

As an FYI, the 'Bird has a 61" wide (drum-to-drum) 7.25" (Correction: 7.5") Traction-Lock rear end most likely with 3.45 gears. I have heard of people using Turbo Coupe rear ends with Fox3 wheel offsets, but could never find anything on exactly how well it fit under Pinto wheel wells. The 10-hole wheels have 5.00" backspacing, so they would still stick out pretty far on each side....I would think.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Reeves1 on July 30, 2014, 02:21:18 PM
Get Dario in Calgary to mod a newer Ranger diff !
Think they 8.8 - only problem I see is the 4:88 gears.
Be in 3rd before you are through the lights  ;D
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on August 01, 2014, 01:53:12 AM


As an FYI, the 'Bird has a 61" wide (drum-to-drum) 7.25" Traction-Lock rear end most likely with 3.45 gears. I have heard of people using Turbo Coupe rear ends with Fox3 wheel offsets, but could never find anything on exactly how well it fit under Pinto wheel wells. The 10-hole wheels have 5.00" backspacing, so they would still stick out pretty far on each side....I would think.

This interests me! does anyone remember someone using a Turbo coupe rear end in a pinto? i dont mind a little wheel spacing. this would work perfectly as i have an entire donor car, and that rear should take the power i want to generate, without grenading. Ive been looking around to see if i can find anyones swap in the archives and everything, but ive come up empty.

Thanks so much for all of the help and info!
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: oldkayaker on August 01, 2014, 08:45:39 AM
Below are a couple old photos from ebay showing a 73 Pinto with a 87TC rear and 16" Mustang rims.  The tires do noticeably stick out a bit.  The 87TC rear is different from your 85TC but the width may be the same (don't know).  There are several threads here on narrowing Explorer 8.8" rears for Pinto use.  Nice Pinchero conversion.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on August 01, 2014, 10:25:41 AM
Yeah, even 5.5" BS wheels won't fix that spacing. Those are "Pony" wheels that came standard on 91-93 Mustang GTs and were optional on 5.0 LXs.

The '87-88 TurboCoupe rear is a Traction-Lok 8.8" with disc brakes and it is also 61" wide. It is/was a popular swap for Fox3 Mustangs, but makes the wheels stick out. Interestingly, only the axles make it wider. The "easy" way to narrow it was to install the shorter Mustang axles and either flip or modify (I forgot which) the caliper brackets. The '87-88 TC rear also came with either 3.55 gears or 3.73s.

I have read only speculation that the earlier 7.5" drum rear can be narrowed in a similar fashion.

This interests me! does anyone remember someone using a Turbo coupe rear end in a pinto? i dont mind a little wheel spacing. this would work perfectly as i have an entire donor car, and that rear should take the power i want to generate, without grenading. Ive been looking around to see if i can find anyones swap in the archives and everything, but ive come up empty.

Thanks so much for all of the help and info!

I corrected my previous post. The rear end in your '85 'Bird is 7.5", not 7.25.

Regardless, I wouldn't invest work involved with using the 7.5" (I know it's really tempting because it's right there) if your ultimate goal is 400hp, especially if any hard launches are planned. The 7.5 will live a lot longer under a lightweight Pinto that it would under a 3400lb 'Bird with the same power, but I don't know what the limits are.

Do it once, do it right, and do it with an 8" or larger rear end. Get the 8.8" T-Lok out of an '87-93 5.0 Mustang if you want a project. The gears will be 2.73-3.08, but it should also be the right 57" drum-to-drum width for a Pinto/early Mustang.

Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on August 06, 2014, 11:08:42 AM
Yeah looks like I'm going to have to go with a 9". I don't like breaking stuff. As fun as it is. Haha easy enough to weld spring mounts and the whole 9 yards I have access, limmited, but access to a welder.

The project is coming along nicely, every little bit helps. Got the wiring harness in the thunderbird stripped, everything labelled. Looks like the engine harness and the body harness are mostly separate. A couple things I have to weed out, like the alternator wiring is in the body harness. Blegh.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on August 06, 2014, 05:18:26 PM
I dragged home an 8" out of a Mustang II, so that was the "easy" way to upgrade in my case. Nines are tough, but they're really heavy and zoop up a bit more power.

The alternator wiring is in the driver's side portion of the T-Bird lighting harness, but I don't think you'll really need it. My TC alternator has the same connections on the back as the one out of my Pinto. They are both externally-regulated "1G" (first generation) Ford alternators.

I'm going to use a 130A "3G" alternator myself and it does need wiring alteration due to being internally regulated.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: don33 on August 07, 2014, 05:15:29 AM
I don't know why you would go with a 9", an 8.8 is lighter, just as strong if not stronger, and has less friction during operation.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag174/don3310/DSC00891_zps54b0b228.jpg
narrowed ford explorer 8.8
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on August 07, 2014, 10:09:57 AM
Nines are tough, but they're really heavy and zoop up a bit more power.

Huh....this forum's software is set up to replace bad-sounding words like $uck with "zoop." (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/65ShelbyClone/smilies/8137d361.gif)

Nines have a lot of pinion offset and the necessary spiral angle on the teeth causes a lot of sliding between the gear teeth, which causes it to soak up a bit more power than other designs. That is what also makes it stronger because it creates large contact areas between teeth and across multiple teeth at the same time. One thing is for sure though, a factory 28 or 31 spline T-lok 9" chunk is 1000x easier to find than any factory T-lok 8" carrier. If you can find a 57" nine rear, roll with it I guess.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: dianne on August 07, 2014, 12:45:44 PM
I'd love to see a picture of what that bed looks like :)
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on August 07, 2014, 04:15:33 PM
Here's a couple pictures of the bed. And yes that is a goat in the first one.

I would love to go with an 8.8 and if I find one in the yards or private sales around here, but my chances are a lot higher that ill snipe a 9 in one of the scrap yards. Plus I've already done a rebuild on a 9 so I have -some- experience with them.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: don33 on August 07, 2014, 04:30:05 PM
8.8 are plentiful, a dime a dozen. theres got to be hundreds of thousands of explorers in the yards... I think I paid $235.00 for mine, complete. it came with a 373 ratio, track lock diff, disc brakes, 5 lugs and large 31 spline axles. If that aint a deal I don't know what is... 8) the 8.8's are pretty easy to work on, I took mine apart and reassembled it, wit no experience whatsoever... but, which ever way you go, you'll have a good setup.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on August 08, 2014, 11:24:56 AM
I think ease of installation goes to the 8" and 9" rears. The lower entry fee on an Explorer 8.8 is offset by all the modification they need.

BUT...I'm finding that none of the sorry chain stores around here stock basic 8/9" repair parts like seals and axle bearings. I can get carrier and pinion bearings and crush sleeves all day long, but not the stuff that actually wears out in less than 40 years.  ::)
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 82expghost on August 09, 2014, 01:12:33 AM
i used the late 80s mustang 8.8 cut the mounts off and welded on the perches and it fit perfectly under my 77, the hard part was getting the old rear end off. i would do it again. the problem with the explorer rear is you dont have the 4 lug, the disks are huge so you have to ballance the brakes, have to cut out the axle tube, hope you get that tube on perfect so you dont keep blowing wheel bearings. i find the mustang 8.8 is also the cheapest per performance ratio. unless you plan on making 500 or so, i think the late 80 mustang is the only way to go
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on August 14, 2014, 10:17:57 PM
Time for the big move! I got a random week off of work. And now my big plan is to have both the motor from the TC and the Pinchero Pulled. I want to do some quick tear down work on the turbo motor, and i need to rebuild the Transmission, but if i can have the motor and all other connected equipment out so that i can be rid of the shell. I already have the wiring harnesses seperated, and it should be a quick pull and run. Is there anything generally skipped over that i should be taking from the turbo coupe?
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on August 14, 2014, 11:03:34 PM
Get the mess of fuel pump wiring, fuses, inertia switch, and relays that go from the ECU into the trunk. Emphasis on mess; you'll probably have to pull the rear seat and get under the passenger-side carpet.

Also get the throttle cable and maybe pedal. I haven't reached that part of my swap, but I do know the stock 2.0 cable is too short.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on August 26, 2014, 11:31:10 AM
got a bunch done on the weekend. Stripped the motor out. And split the tranny off. I'm going to put in a new clutch/flywheel. I'm in there, might as well. Just a couple things left in the donor car and it can roll down the road.

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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on August 26, 2014, 12:31:16 PM
It's interesting that your '86 has the finned compressor outlet tube. I'm pretty sure that only Merkurs got it.

Was the hoisting loop at the back of the exhaust manifold broken off on your engine too? I ended up using a 12mm head bolt in the hole near that point...and it got bent lifting that iron lump!
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on August 26, 2014, 04:11:32 PM
Far as I know the pipe is original. Still has the correct t3 turbo. Mine didn't even have the lifting eye. I had to sling the chain around the exhaust manifold. That was a tight fit and a sketchy lift.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on August 27, 2014, 11:31:09 AM
Yaaay wiring harness work. I have a long night of wire tracing ahead of me.

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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on August 27, 2014, 01:16:35 PM
It won't be hard with a wiring diagram. Scroll down to "PEtoLA.pdf":

http://www.rothfam.com/svo/reference/

An '86 ECU schematic is on the last page of the pdf. Then you can just grab a connector and find the pins in the ECU plug.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on August 28, 2014, 10:08:54 PM
woohoo! you guys are awesome! speaking of wiring harnesses, what are you guys doing for a dash cluster. obviously the speedo isnt compatible. are you just using the turbo coupe dash, or custom building your own?
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on August 28, 2014, 11:38:21 PM
I planned on adding an aftermarket tach and gauges myself. I did see somewhere where someone put TC gauges in the Pinto cluster though.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on September 02, 2014, 09:27:08 AM
Sniped a diff from pick n pull this weekend. Out of a '79 mustang giha. It's an 8"!

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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Reeves1 on September 03, 2014, 05:36:27 AM
If you need work / help with it, contact Dario in Calgary. Supposed to be good & is a fellow Pinto guy.

https://www.facebook.com/InfamousAuto
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: dga57 on September 03, 2014, 07:54:14 AM
I'm still trying to process the idea of you using a Chevy Vega as your parts hauler! :o
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on September 03, 2014, 11:41:16 AM
Haha hey say what you want. I was raised on Ford for breakfast lunch and dinner, but that damned Vega is the best runner I've had. I've towed everything in that car. And the diff fit like a glove. I've even slept in it multiple times and had it in two major Canada day car shows.

It's a completely stock 1977 Vega Hatchback 4 cyl 4 speed. Black leather interior and bright orange outside. And it's unrestored. Sat in a garage for 15 years. Still has the experimental aluminum/silicone block, cast head and hypereutectic pistons. Early motors where sleeveless!
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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Reeves1 on September 03, 2014, 07:58:29 PM
Did you know they were shipped on end ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Vega
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on September 03, 2014, 08:46:59 PM
yup. I still have the winshield washer bottle thats at a 45 degree angle. they came with a V11 option code, its the verti-pack system.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on September 03, 2014, 09:24:43 PM
Hopefully your MII 8" doesn't need a pinion seal like mine did. Kind of a pain to replace that one. I bought a 0-60 inch-pound beam torque wrench just so I could do it right.  ::)
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: dga57 on September 04, 2014, 01:36:30 AM
Well, if I was ever going to own a Vega, you have the one I would want: final year of production (the problems had been resolved), 4 speed transmission, and my much-loved orange with black interior color scheme!  My best friend had a 1977 and swore it was one of the best cars he ever had.  I don't think I ever drove a late model one - I was selling Lincoln-Mercury products in the late seventies and we took a number of the earlier ones in as trade-ins on Bobcats.  I drove some of them and they were the pits!  I'm glad you've had a successful and happy relationship with yours!
 
Dwayne :)
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on September 04, 2014, 07:50:42 AM
Well, if I were to ever have one(would have to be a wagon)a V-8 swap would be the first thing to happen to it.. :D
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on September 29, 2014, 11:38:43 PM
damn i hate how life gets in the way. havent gotten anything done on the car, but i have learned alot from other people. Turns out i dont need the mass of vacuum lines and dashpots, spoke to a guy with an 86 tc that had a few upgrades, open exhaust, ported head, stripped interior, and he said he pulled his pesky egr system off, and just blocked off the ports on the intake and exhaust manifolds. pulling the sensors didnt do a damn thing to the computer, and since up here in jolly old Canada, we dont have emissions tests -yet- i think thats the route im going to go. I will admit i was a tad destructive when it came to those little plastic airlines that go along the firewall, and did not relish re-routing everything just so that it would work one bit, never mind hiding it all. now that i have all of the major parts, i just have to find myself a set of engine mounts and a 2.3 pan to fit the pinto crossmember, and i should have everything to start the transplant.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Reeves1 on September 30, 2014, 05:31:49 AM
Flog (sell) the pick up so you have room to work on your car !  ;D

Should have seen the look of surprise on me when I dropped by to pick a couple doors up at his place. I had no idea he had this car. Opened the shop door & there it is !
Cool !

Remember I asked what the hole was for in the right inner fender ?
Still not sure, but looks like venting ?
Can see in a couple pictures in this topic: http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/the-restoration-of-my-1977-v-6-pinto-crusing-wagon/90/
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on September 30, 2014, 06:30:36 PM
I will admit i was a tad destructive when it came to those little plastic airlines that go along the firewall, and did not relish re-routing everything just so that it would work one bit, never mind hiding it all.

Those plastic vacuum tubes turn to glass after 10 years anyway and 20+ year-old cars always have some broken and/or repaired ones.

One nice thing about the age of these engines and ECUs is that they are not terribly whiny about having every little tiny thing working all the time. By the same token, sometimes they're not sensitive enough about tell you what failed and is making the car run badly...
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on September 30, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
Yeah haha the Mazda is loooong gone. Thankfully. Now I just need to find time from work to get going on the pinchero.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on October 13, 2014, 11:35:21 PM
So I've been doing some research and just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with Stinger Performance Clutches. Or if you guys have any suggestions for a place to go that is known for having a good product.

I was looking at stingers stage 3 clutch. Its a 6 puck deal with a  400plus torque rating. One of those things where id like to do it once, and never pull it out again.

Also do you think that I should drop $350 into a light-weight flywheel, or would machining my OEM one be okay. The original looks to be in alright condition, and really would only need to be surfaced. I don't mind a little extra rotational weight, but by the same token, if I'm going to do it, why not do it once. I'm just not 100% sure on how deep I should go.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Reeves1 on October 17, 2014, 09:59:41 PM
When done you will have the weight of a V8 in the front....and have a 4 cyl ricer sound !

Got me 3 302w blocks now.....you need help ?

 ;D
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on October 18, 2014, 11:43:20 AM
A 2.3 bottom end won't split down the middle at 500rwhp though. ;) Several years ago a member on TF made 597rwhp on a stock 2.3 shortblock before it hurt the bearings.

1.) So I've been doing some research and just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with Stinger Performance Clutches. Or if you guys have any suggestions for a place to go that is known for having a good product.

I was looking at stingers stage 3 clutch. Its a 6 puck deal with a 400plus torque rating. One of those things where id like to do it once, and never pull it out again.

2.) Also do you think that I should drop $350 into a light-weight flywheel, or would machining my OEM one be okay. The original looks to be in alright condition, and really would only need to be surfaced. I don't mind a little extra rotational weight, but by the same token, if I'm going to do it, why not do it once. I'm just not 100% sure on how deep I should go.

1.) Stinger's clutches are made by SPEC who makes wide variety of aftermarket clutches for other vehicles. I have not used them myself, but I seem to recall they have a generally positive reputation.

2.) Aside from 400hp, what do you realistically want out of the car? I think a billet flywheel of some sort would be a good idea at the power level you're shooting for, but that doesn't mean it has to be aluminum. Ram makes a billet steel one that would save you around US$100 and is still less than a pound heavier than the SPEC aluminum one. Fidanza also offers a steel one, but I can't find a weight for it.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on November 02, 2014, 11:08:49 PM
2)realistically not much more, I want good streetability, within reason. I realise that with a heavier duty clutch its really not going to be "streetable" for some, but I'm pretty young(25) and Ive driven my Vega for 2 summers straight with the original clutch in it. And if you haven't driven a 1970's clutch, id like to say its at least comparable to a racing / multi pack clutch. The springs take a-lot- of force to overcome. Traffic sucks. Haha. Really I want the car to surprise the general public who thinks that its just another slow '70s car. theres a lot of import guys around here that need the smirk scrubbed off of their faces.

Right now it'll probably come out of the garage with a little over 200 horse and comparable torque numbers. I'm just getting the heavier duty parts together so that when I do decide to bolt on the fun stuff (intercoolers, ignition upgrades, computers, bigger turbo) that it wont immediately grenade the parts I overlooked. Build it now, don't break it later.  8)

Overall, I'd like the general look of the car to stay the same, trying to hide the motor under the stock hood. That 8" diff should hide under the back end nicely. Maybe-maybe some slightly wider tires in the rear end. Until the car has been on the road for a while, probably just subframe connectors. I'll wait until I approach the 300HP/TQ range to Fab a roll cage. The cars structure around the front end is still untouched, but that back end will need to be strengthened if I go too far, so staying under that mark, I should be okay. The nice part I think about this build is that I'm starting with a v6 model, so its got the upgraded front end, (v6 springs/ anti roll bar) and the rear end that is going in was pulled from a '79 mustang 2 ghia with a 302 v8 auto, but I snagged the v8 anti roll bar, and the springs/spring perches. So unless the springs don't fit, that'll be a -hopefully- bolt in application. It'll get a rebuild as well, not like its leaking or anything, but I suspect it has atrocious highway gears, and its an open carrier too, so ill grab an LSD or locker when I get it opened up. Obviously the driveshaft will have to be custom made, oh well. The t5 that came with the turbo motor needs a rebuild, and I'm looking at going so far as having a shop build it for warranty purposes, and they can put new bearings into it as well. Get the good stuff.  Clean up the motor, maybe tweak a few things, although even in its stock form, I was surprised at how hard it pulled in the t-bird, I could probably throw it in without touching it performance wise, and be happier than a clam. Interior wise, gauges will be custom, as previously noted, ill have to go without a Speedo for the time being, unless I can find something along the way. (shouldn't be an issue, the Vega's Speedo disconnected itself a month before I stored it this year) if possible id like to keep the center console, I don't mind if I have to modify its location. The original seats will be coming out (they're rough) and ill throw some light weight bucket seats in. Carpet will come out too, and ill rock guard the floors once they get cleaned up and patched (theres a small hole under the heel point at the gas pedal). But the rest of the drivers and passengers floors are surface rusty, but solid. At least solid enough to resist the blunt force of a 32 oz. ball peen hammer.

Its not really meant to be a cruiser car, I've had a lot of nice cushy cars that get you from here to there in a great modicum of comfort. I'd rather build something that adds a little spice to my life, you know?
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on November 02, 2014, 11:13:22 PM
Also on another note, I was bored last weekend, it decided to snow here. I was over at the local farmers market, talking to the decals guy, who happened to have mentioned he was pretty good at custom stuff. I thought I would throw him a bone and see what he could come up with for an emblem for the little truck that could. What came out is the best money I have ever spent on a decal. I'm almost afraid ford might try to sue me hahaha  8) :-X

They're 8 inches tall and 28 inches wide. One should fit nicely along the back window on the top.

The grin on my face was as big as the day I brought the car home!
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 74 PintoWagon on November 03, 2014, 06:49:37 AM
Very cool.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: dga57 on November 03, 2014, 10:30:13 AM
Looks good!


Dwayne :)
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Reeves1 on November 06, 2014, 08:19:39 PM
Looks good !

Got a Rock Auto news letter e-mailed to me today. Header has a grey car like yours. If you do not get it, text me your e-mail & I'll forward it to you.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on November 23, 2014, 11:10:44 PM
Ooh cool ill have to see that. I don't know what happened to the car once I traded it off. I guess the guy was going to do the same conversion as I was but opted to use a TC tbird with an auto transmission.

Not much has happened with the car, I've signed off in my mind that the whole project is going to my work when I get the parts together. The motor swap will happen there, and then ill tow the car home to put the rear end in.  From there it'll get the finishing touches at my garage.  Its nice to have access to a full shop and a nice welder trolley, mig, stick, aluminum. Heck we even have an oxy-acetylene torch if I really want to get destructive.

Still need the motor mounts, oil pan and oil pick up tube to make any progess. Saving up a bit for the transmission rebuild kit. I was looking at a couple and figure that a base rebuild kit gives me all of the synchros and jazz that I need. The premium kit gets me bearings and all of that stuff. But I'm not sure I really need to get the bearings replaced too. I also think this week I'm going to give a trans shop a call and see what It might cost me to have them rebuild it. I don't mind getting my own hands dirty, and often prefer it, but warranties are such a beautiful thing. Haha.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 78_starsky on November 23, 2014, 11:32:02 PM
interesting project :)  !!
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on December 05, 2014, 12:14:26 AM
Okay. So I'm making it somewhere? Yeah somewhere. I've decided that I want to try to get the car driveable for Canada Day 2015. I'm very involved in The car show in Granum Alberta, and since I feel the Vega isn't able to make the trip again with the original Valve seals, I want to take the newly minted Pinchero. The garage has been cleaned out, and I've started tearing down the motor. Was looking around the old internets, and found an awesome deal on an engine regasked kit:

http://www.northernautoparts.com/part/gs-260-1162

50% off, can't complain there. And I do like felpro's product.   I might look around to see if I can find a heavier duty head gasket. I can see a fair amount of higher boost conditions in the cars future. Haha. One thing I'm contemplating going to do is throw in some new head studs. Took a quick look at ARP because well, quality is a nice thing, and they had three listings for 2.3L ford motors. Regular 2300 pinto studs and undercut 12 point 2300 pinto studs, and some Zetec motor things that I paid no attention to at all.

Might you guys have Any suggestions on some good products or direction on which ones I should look into? Or am I going to have to pull the motor apart to distinguish between normal cut (?) or undercut studs.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: dick1172762 on December 05, 2014, 09:12:34 AM
Get your self a Fel Pro 1035 head gasket. That's Fel Pro's 2.3 race head gasket. Do a search cause its hi $$$$ and I've seen it as low as $53 and as hi as $80. Its what all of the racers use. More than that I would o ring the block or go to a copper gasket.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: russosborne on December 12, 2014, 01:59:28 PM
quote"and the rear end that is going in was pulled from a '79 mustang 2 ghia with a 302 v8 auto, but I snagged the v8 anti roll bar, and the springs/spring perches. So unless the springs don't fit, that'll be a -hopefully- bolt in application."unquoute

Ah, typo? In 79 there wasn't a Mustang II. That was the first of the fox bodies. And not an 8inch rear.
If it was a typo and it is from a II, the leaf springs do not work on a Pinto.

Sounds like you are headed in the right direction though. My Pinto is on hold due to buying a 72 Ranchero daily driver that needs work to keep it a daily driver.

Russ
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: dick1172762 on December 12, 2014, 06:48:36 PM
I read over on the Mustang II site that the Mustang II rear springs are the same as a Pinto wagon. Several people said that was the way you got stiffer springs for a Mustang II. Easy to check out.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: r4pinto on December 14, 2014, 10:40:15 AM
Sniped a diff from pick n pull this weekend. Out of a '79 mustang giha. It's an 8"!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/02/4a3yta6a.jpg)

Nice looking Vega
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on December 20, 2014, 08:46:49 PM
Yeah it must have been a typo I try not to be associated with mustangs too much. I'm only interested with the real ones from the late 60's and early 70's. I'm not sure on the swappability of the springs or really the entire rear end as a whole, but I guess that's what a project is for. You learn something new every day. Just got word the engine re-gasket kit showed up the other day. Wont get it until Christmas day but I'm cool with that. Gives me time to poke around at stuff in the garage and clear some space to organise my parts as I pull the engine apart. Still on the hunt for the ever elusive oil pan/pickup/engine mounts and manual pedal set. I was close on the pedals today. A stick 'stang in pick n pull, but they where all gone when I got there. I may end up buying them off of one of you guys.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Reeves1 on December 23, 2014, 06:38:31 AM
You need this :  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Billet-Aluminum-1971-1980-Ford-Pinto-Pinchero-Gas-Cap-/191450674822?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c93597686&vxp=mtr

Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on December 29, 2014, 12:49:50 AM
Haha that things cool!

Well Ive started to get somewhere on the car...ish. the motor is torn apart, mostly. Picked up a nice FEL-PRO 1035 gasket for the engine. That combined with the remaining engine gasket kit, should help the old girl breathe a little better. Got stumped by the head studs though, its the only part left on the motor before I start the scraping and exterior cleaning. I'm going to leave the crank and piston assy's in it. I just want to clean up the block so that I'm not dropping a web infested mess into my nice project car. The only problem I had stripping the block was pulling the turbo off of the exhaust manifold. When I went after the first stud, something didn't feel right pulling the wrench, so I look and its turning the one end of the stud out of the manifold, but not the other. I left it because I didn't want to break the bolt off. I think that I'm going to have to take the whole ting to work and torch the nuts off so I don't damage anything.

So then the questions begin:
Its probably suggestible to replace the valve seals while the head is off right?

And in order to remove the cam so as to replace the valve seals, I can foresee needing some sort of valve spring compressor to remove the pressure and pull the rocker from each valve. (probably leave the locks on the valve stems themselves and release the pressure without the rocker in place, allowing the valve to fully close without the wear surface on tip of the valve shaft contacting the camshaft.) Then unbolt the cam retainer from the rear of the head, and theoretically it should just slide out?

I took a bunch of photos on my phone so ill post them here in a second.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on December 29, 2014, 12:59:08 AM
heres the photos
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on December 29, 2014, 01:00:02 AM
And all of the bits
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: D.R.Ball on December 30, 2014, 03:28:28 PM
Yes you should remove and replace the valve seals while the head is off the engine, it's FAR more easier than trying to keep the valves from falling in the engine....Rope or other tricks work but having the head on a work bench and supported by blocks of wood makes things easy...
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Pinturbo75 on December 30, 2014, 05:09:09 PM
you don't need to remove the cam to do the seals.... also, head studs are something I would not recommend.... after much discussion on turboford the big boys, over 500hp have found the stock 12 point head bolts to be stronger than the studs.... the studs don't go far enough into the deck and once tightened they pull up the deck surface and distort the surface causing premature headgasket failure
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on December 30, 2014, 11:13:02 PM
So should I be looking to find new stock bolts or just re-using the originals? I know manufacturers love to use torque to yield stuff, But I can't remember if they where used in these motors.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Pinturbo75 on December 31, 2014, 09:14:12 AM
6 point headbolts are torque to angle and 12 point are standard 2 step torque to spec..... 12 point are reusable.... that's all I use..iirc its step 1 torque to 56lbs and step 2 torque to 95 lbs...heat cycle the engine a few times and retorque them by breaking them loose 1 at a time and torque it back to 95 lbs...
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on January 02, 2015, 09:43:59 PM
Straight-shank studs are also prone to crushing head gaskets and compressing aluminum heads on these engines. The hardened washers sink right into the aluminum. Some of the big power players have reported that undercut studs and/or a lower final torque setting helps a lot.

I'm going to leave the crank and piston assy's in it. I just want to clean up the block so that I'm not dropping a web infested mess into my nice project car.

I could swear 25% of the time it took me to do my swap was spent cleaning(and then fixing the leaks). Everything was caked with hard desert grease.

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The only problem I had stripping the block was pulling the turbo off of the exhaust manifold. When I went after the first stud, something didn't feel right pulling the wrench, so I look and its turning the one end of the stud out of the manifold, but not the other. I left it because I didn't want to break the bolt off. I think that I'm going to have to take the whole ting to work and torch the nuts off so I don't damage anything.

If the studs are backing out with the nut stuck on, then that's not exactly unusual. It's not particularly worrisome to me, anyway.

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So then the questions begin:
Its probably suggestible to replace the valve seals while the head is off right?

It would expect it to be easier. I did it on an SVO without pulling the head (nor the cam..it won't come out in a Fox3 without lifting the engine) It took a few hours not counting having to build the lever-type spring compressor and spark plug compressed air fitting.

It was also the only job I can recall doing without giving a customary blood offering to the Gods of Speed. They were none too impressed and I got stranded far from home immediately after with my alternator set ablaze.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on March 07, 2015, 01:12:56 AM
So I'm making some progress on the motor, its pretty much cleaned off now. Figured out a way to pull the valves out with some custom designed tools. Came up to a bit of trouble trying to remove the seals from the head. I have the valves, springs, keepers, and follower assys all removed, just the seals and head remain together. But I can't figure out a custom tool, or find a ford tool available to pull them without ripping them to shreds. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on March 07, 2015, 12:19:34 PM
So rip them to shreds. They're not expensive and definitely not worth trying to reuse. If they are brittle, they need to be replaced anyway. I think I used pliers the last time...just don't damage the top of the guide.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on March 13, 2015, 11:59:14 PM
Good news everyone! Well, kinda, the project is still going. I got all of the valve seals done, once I figured out how to get them off. The head is back on the motor, and I'm just looking into some fancy new head bolts to hold it all together.

My roommate managed to spy a wayward '88 turbo coupe in death row in front of the local pickNsquish and a couple days of watching the online inventory like a hawk paid off. The car was dumped in the yard yesterday, and I jumped on It this morning, postponing my appearance at work by a couple hours to swoop in and collect a few choice prizes. All in all I swiped the LA3 computer (manual car), all brown top injectors, the VAM( I couldn't remember if I needed that upgrade or not, didn't mind spending $15 just to make sure) and took the intercooler too just for the hell of it. I also nabbed the fuel pressure regulator, just in case. Those are always in my experience the one part to fail at the worst time, and they are astronomically expensive.

SO higher boost numbers here we come!

Ps: also anything else I should go back for? Everyone's turbo lists seem to have the same base line, but I can never remember after reading so many, exactly which combinations are best for these motors. I think I have everything, but my memory is horrible, and I want to make sure.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on March 14, 2015, 02:22:59 PM
Go back and get the cylinder head and everything attached to it. If I was local, I would be doing it myself and not telling you to.  ;)

The intake and valve cover will fit better under a flat Pinto hood.

And yes, it was a good idea getting the VAM, brown-top injectors, and LA3 together. That is the complete package for an L-series ECU swap.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Wittsend on March 14, 2015, 09:47:15 PM
Honestly, I'd go back for ANYTHING you can afford. I'm in So. Cal. where there are a multitude of cars.  I often frequent the two self serve yards near me. I go once a month for the 50% off sale so likely nothing slips by. That said, I have found only ONE Turbo Coupe in the past 2 years. And, if that is what the greater Los Angeles area is offering I can imagine there are less elsewhere. The later exhaust manifold (E6 I believe) are desirable over the earlier version.  The IHI turbo may or may not be to your liking. They are 87-88 only also.

I got my Pinto in late '07. I started the Turbo Coupe conversion in early '08.  At that time I could find about 5 T/C's every time I went to the yards.  Then by mid 08 they quickly trickled down to one or two per visit. Then maybe one every other visit. Then a few a year and now one in the past two years.  We need to remember that even the newest T/C ('88) is 27 years old! And that makes the '83's 32 years old.  They aren't going to be around forever.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on April 24, 2015, 11:41:07 AM
Hey, just rounding up some parts and I'm wondering if the oil pan from a mustang 2 would fit, or does it have to be a pinto pan?
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: dick1172762 on April 24, 2015, 12:25:04 PM
If your talking about a 2.3L, the answer is yes they are the same.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on December 19, 2015, 06:22:59 PM
Hey guys. I know April to December, it has been a while, but I figured you might like to know what is going on with the car. The old v6 auto combo is out. Pulled it out last week and the new 4 cyl is ready to go in, once I do some cleaning and prep work on the engine bay. I'm still trying to come up with a solution on the engine mount front. I keep running searches and talking to anyone I can but I'm still not solidly sold on how this motor is going in. I have the '79 v6 bolt on mount holes from the stock motor, along with the mounts and such from the engine, along with the engine mounts complete to the frame rail from the thunderbird donor car (1985). Ive been told that the pinto 4 cylinder mounts may bolt in, they may need to be welded in, that they need to be some sort of witchcraft. I don't know. What I do know is that the t-bird mounts may not work at all. I've been too busy to attempt to bolt the new motor in, and now that I think of it, I might put out a call on the local kijiji to see if anyone in the area has a junk block I could buy for fitment purposes. Although for all I know I'm the first one to attempt this exact swap.

The new motor is ready. Bought a oil pan-pickup tube combo from a gentleman in Airdrie just north of Calgary. Who bought the 4 engines, trailer full of parts and remaining car out of 6 that he bought from, as luck would have it, the same estate my car came from. Haha small world.

Here's a couple pictures of the progress from the last few months. Sorry it's been taking so long, the price of oil has finally hit my profession and between layoffs, and moving jobs, and the horror of finding a new job its been hard to get to the project. I'm sure I'm not the only one taking a hit up here.

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Speaking of which, anyone in the general area want a running cologne v6/auto combo... the transmission does have problems, but I've heard they have the nice governor that runs really high rpm...
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on December 19, 2015, 07:12:50 PM
Also! I forgot as well, when I was still driving the car, I could never leave it locked, the modifications to the door handles, installing a modernised exterior handle deleted the key tumblers, and I would have had no way to get back into my own car. I played around with the idea of installing the stereotypical "secret button" like the one car that was on the "list" from Gone in 60 Seconds. Just walk up, slide my hand in somewhere, and click goes the lock. As I'm disconnecting the old motor, I was acutely aware that the "original" v6 had been replaced, or something, along with the addition of a selection of gauges, so there where a few random wires strewn about the engine bay. He had also installed a fuel pressure gauge, probably to monitor the system with a fresh motor, that included about 4 feet of fuel line extra between the bottom corner of the block and the carb. This caused the car to vapour lock on more than one warm occasion during the summer.

There I go rambling again. Door locks yes. The front grille had some damage that I noticed when I bought the car, just missing a small section of the slats, but I had never taken the chance to inspect it beyond this. Turns out someone before me had the exact same idea. There is a button hidden in behind the grille mounted with the hood release, wired to you guessed it, a pirated door lock release hidden behind the door panel, riveted to the door structure. The wiring is broken at several places, and not supplied with power from anywhere I could find. But none the less I didn't care what was going on in the world, I was as happy as the day I signed the bill of sale to buy the car!

I'm going to go to the local registry office and pay for what's called a VIR search. Pretty much $25 and it tells me where the vin code was registered, what year, and if I'm unbelievably lucky the mileage when it was registered. The search can go back 25 years, if the registries have the records updated to include their previous paper records. Sometimes they do, most times, they stay in their boxes, gathering dust. But one can only hope...
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on December 19, 2015, 10:13:31 PM
Ive been told that the pinto 4 cylinder mounts may bolt in, they may need to be welded in, that they need to be some sort of witchcraft. I don't know.

Welding is only needed for '71-73 models because they never had the 2.3 as an option. You already have the frame mounts in your car because they are the same for '74-80 2.3 and 2.8 Pintos. The rubber engine mounts are the same too.

The v6 vs. 2.3 block brackets I'm not sure about.

Quote
What I do know is that the t-bird mounts may not work at all.

They'll work if you fabricate something completely custom for the frame mounts. I almost went that direction before a member here offered to trade a set of 2.3 mounts for my 2.0 parts. Fortunately I had used a spot weld cutter to remove the frame brackets intact and straight instead of a hammer and chisel like so many horror stories I hear about.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on December 26, 2015, 01:08:43 PM
Hey got a lead on some engine mounts a couple hours north of here, with a possible line on shipping. He has a complete rotating 2.3 engine. Is there anything else I should grab? I already have the pan and pick up tube. But I can't think of anything else I would need.

Well, that was a couple days ago. I'm getting the mounts as soon as everything opens up again after Christmas here to ship them. And I was also looking at buying a clutch online, considering in store prices are atrocious around here, even on boxing day. The local Mopac, best they can do is like 12% off. almost shouldn't have even asked. I'm seeing a couple of clutches on ebay that would work for me but I had a question about the sizing. There are two I was looking at and they have almost identical specs except for the clutch outside diameter. One is 9 inches and the other is 9 1/4 inches. Now my original clutch is measured to 9 inches but would it really matter to the point of if I buy an aftermarket flywheel as well. Would it have to be upsized to match the 9 or the 9 1/4? Or does it matter?
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on December 28, 2015, 12:28:10 AM
I think 9.25" is just the max size for a stock flywheel. A stock replacement clutch kit should fit on a stock flywheel.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on February 21, 2016, 10:48:30 PM
HEY progress... bit by bit. The old motor is far out, the new one in. Painted up the pan and the mounts. It'll probably come back out though. theres no transmission on it and I want to throw a metal head gasket into it too. But hey its in...
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Even managed to bolt the v6 power steering pump into the t-bird mount brackets. Hoping it'll work, but hey that's what hot-rodding is all about. Try and try again. I'm looking into the wiring harness to see what needs to be omitted for my local lax emissions laws and such. Also have to splice in the alternator and connect power through the body harness. I'm going to forgo a key and build in a complex starting sequence with hidden switches. One of those row of un-labeled switches on the dash connected to lights that I roll through turning to the passenger with a "buckle up" look on my face. haha
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 76hotrodpinto on February 24, 2016, 09:55:12 PM
Not sure if the 79 has the same clearance issue, on the passenger fender, as the 76, but if so... Are you going to cut and patch the fender? Or use another exhaust manifold, that won't require fender modification?
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on February 25, 2016, 10:59:33 PM
@76 I don't think there are any issues, at least I didn't see any when I dangled the manifold turbo combo in the bay beyond the usual heater motor issues. It seems that no matter how many people do an engine swap in how many different combinations, the one that you end up with always has some oddball issue that is specific to your build. They don't call us hot rodders for nothing.

Speaking of which I spent all of last night working on the car. The 6.75" rear is loose in the vehicle now, and I think I'm prepped to put the new one in. Some comparison issues I have found is the lower shock mounts are different from mustang to pinto. The pintos have the integral threaded rod and the mustangs use a bolt-nut combo through a bushing. I have pictures to compare. The only thing I'm not sure of is if the upper mounts are identical or not. I can't remember from pulling the 8" from the mustang. I'm thinking the change up with the lowers is just for the heavier rear end, but like I say I'm not sure.

I also seem to have stumbled on a rather resistant Drum brake. It seems to not want to release itself from the axle. And I need it to since its keeping me from disconnecting the e-brake cable. That e-brake cable is wrapped around the springs, which I have decided to keep in place. The donor springs from the mustang are 8" too short to be bolt ins. The v6 wagon springs should hold up.

The lower spring mounts and outside dimensions of the old and new axle shafts are identical so the u-bolts I took out can be used as templates. Now just to find a metal shop in town that can turn my intake manifold...

I'll post pictures when I can.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 76hotrodpinto on February 26, 2016, 12:07:38 AM
If you can work with just a 90 deg. turn on the intake, I posted pics on my build thread of my "adaptation". Pretty easy to do. I have the old pinto alt. bracket though.

 As for the stuck brake drum, I've had some luck with removing the brake fluid line, and using whatever fitting is needed to hook to a vacuum pump back up to the wheel cylinder. Pump it out, and tap it at the same time. Not a sure thing, but worth a shot.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: oldkayaker on February 26, 2016, 04:51:42 AM
Another method of removing a brake drum stuck to axle hub is to heat up the face of the drum with a torch while avoiding heating the axle hub.  When it releases, I usually hear a pleasant little ping/clink.  I used a oxy-acetylene torch but a propane torch may work also.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 76hotrodpinto on February 26, 2016, 04:36:48 PM
I also know of some choice cuss words, that if applied in the right cadence and at the appropriate volume, are very helpful.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: 65ShelbyClone on February 26, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Not sure if the 79 has the same clearance issue, on the passenger fender, as the 76, but if so... Are you going to cut and patch the fender? Or use another exhaust manifold, that won't require fender modification?

Are you talking about where the turbo is?

I know the IHI turbos' wastegate actuator will cause clearance problems, but I think we're all using T3s in this thread and they have the actuator closer to the engine. I modified the bay before even test-fitting my engine, but the T3s don't look to me like they would be guaranteed hit the inner fender. Close, most definitely.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on March 01, 2016, 03:53:19 PM
76 hotrod yeah that's the plan. Just a 90 degree turn.

Well I got the diff out. Quite a bit of hammering involved. That brake drum was oooooolllllddd d. Happened to notice the new springs I have won't fit. They're about 6 inches too short, oh well, the wagon springs are still good. I've heard they're better. An issue I have is the rubber "bushing" we'll call it, is obliterated. It's crumbling just by existing. And I highly assume there's no replacements or aftermarket deals generally available, so I was thinking, instead of just bolting the plates on without the rubbers, could I use layers of semi-truck airbag suspension rubber as a bushing? I have a source that I can get almost as much of the stuff as I want for free, it's really sturdy stuff. We actually used it as a rub guard on airlines and such.

Above and beyond that, I ripped my front right hub apart to check into the bearing noise I could hear while driving it, and after seeing the sad shape of the rotors, I broke down and bought new hubs and pads for the front end. I already had the bearings, being suspicious of their failings before, so that will give me something to do while I save up to turn the intake manifold and buy a few more bits and pieces.

Pictures to follow tonight.
Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on March 01, 2016, 11:22:40 PM
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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on March 29, 2016, 01:19:36 PM
Monthly updates. Yeah that can be a thing. For once I've gotten  a lot done on the car. After the motor fitting went well, I pulled it back out. Did a quick spray job on the bay and bolted the clutch and fresh machined flywheel on. Slid the Trans in and dropped it in lock stock and barrel. Was a little tight but it worked. I also got the interior stripped,pulled the old diff, cleaned and installed the new diff, rebuilt the front hubs, discovered my ball joints need to be done, pulled the heater box out to clear the turbo and installed the exhaust manifold...

Yeah it was a busy month.
Also the intake is at a shop right now getting turned and gutted. It's going to cost a lot but it's worth it In the end.

I've also found a parts wagon that I'm going to be stripping for anything else I'll need. Sadly it is a cruising wagon but it's a 4 cyl stick that's been t-boned and the frame is -gone- underneath. So I'm not too hard off on it. I'm pulling everything I need,as well as everything you all may need and then scrapping a Barren shell.

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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on March 29, 2016, 01:21:23 PM
Pictures!

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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on March 29, 2016, 01:22:57 PM
More pictures!

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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: CanadianBatman on March 29, 2016, 01:25:33 PM
So many pictures!

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Title: Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
Post by: Reeves1 on March 31, 2016, 07:35:16 AM
Don't know if this interests you ?

http://www.performance-shop.com/showthread.php?57649-Ford-2-3-Turbo-Engines-Parts-ECT-T5-Tranny-setup-ect