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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2014, 10:40:15 AM »
Sniped a diff from pick n pull this weekend. Out of a '79 mustang giha. It's an 8"!



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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2014, 08:46:49 PM »
Yeah it must have been a typo I try not to be associated with mustangs too much. I'm only interested with the real ones from the late 60's and early 70's. I'm not sure on the swappability of the springs or really the entire rear end as a whole, but I guess that's what a project is for. You learn something new every day. Just got word the engine re-gasket kit showed up the other day. Wont get it until Christmas day but I'm cool with that. Gives me time to poke around at stuff in the garage and clear some space to organise my parts as I pull the engine apart. Still on the hunt for the ever elusive oil pan/pickup/engine mounts and manual pedal set. I was close on the pedals today. A stick 'stang in pick n pull, but they where all gone when I got there. I may end up buying them off of one of you guys.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2014, 12:49:50 AM »
Haha that things cool!

Well Ive started to get somewhere on the car...ish. the motor is torn apart, mostly. Picked up a nice FEL-PRO 1035 gasket for the engine. That combined with the remaining engine gasket kit, should help the old girl breathe a little better. Got stumped by the head studs though, its the only part left on the motor before I start the scraping and exterior cleaning. I'm going to leave the crank and piston assy's in it. I just want to clean up the block so that I'm not dropping a web infested mess into my nice project car. The only problem I had stripping the block was pulling the turbo off of the exhaust manifold. When I went after the first stud, something didn't feel right pulling the wrench, so I look and its turning the one end of the stud out of the manifold, but not the other. I left it because I didn't want to break the bolt off. I think that I'm going to have to take the whole ting to work and torch the nuts off so I don't damage anything.

So then the questions begin:
Its probably suggestible to replace the valve seals while the head is off right?

And in order to remove the cam so as to replace the valve seals, I can foresee needing some sort of valve spring compressor to remove the pressure and pull the rocker from each valve. (probably leave the locks on the valve stems themselves and release the pressure without the rocker in place, allowing the valve to fully close without the wear surface on tip of the valve shaft contacting the camshaft.) Then unbolt the cam retainer from the rear of the head, and theoretically it should just slide out?

I took a bunch of photos on my phone so ill post them here in a second.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2014, 12:59:08 AM »
heres the photos
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2014, 01:00:02 AM »
And all of the bits
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2014, 03:28:28 PM »
Yes you should remove and replace the valve seals while the head is off the engine, it's FAR more easier than trying to keep the valves from falling in the engine....Rope or other tricks work but having the head on a work bench and supported by blocks of wood makes things easy...

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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2014, 05:09:09 PM »
you don't need to remove the cam to do the seals.... also, head studs are something I would not recommend.... after much discussion on turboford the big boys, over 500hp have found the stock 12 point head bolts to be stronger than the studs.... the studs don't go far enough into the deck and once tightened they pull up the deck surface and distort the surface causing premature headgasket failure
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2014, 11:13:02 PM »
So should I be looking to find new stock bolts or just re-using the originals? I know manufacturers love to use torque to yield stuff, But I can't remember if they where used in these motors.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2014, 09:14:12 AM »
6 point headbolts are torque to angle and 12 point are standard 2 step torque to spec..... 12 point are reusable.... that's all I use..iirc its step 1 torque to 56lbs and step 2 torque to 95 lbs...heat cycle the engine a few times and retorque them by breaking them loose 1 at a time and torque it back to 95 lbs...
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2015, 09:43:59 PM »
Straight-shank studs are also prone to crushing head gaskets and compressing aluminum heads on these engines. The hardened washers sink right into the aluminum. Some of the big power players have reported that undercut studs and/or a lower final torque setting helps a lot.

I'm going to leave the crank and piston assy's in it. I just want to clean up the block so that I'm not dropping a web infested mess into my nice project car.

I could swear 25% of the time it took me to do my swap was spent cleaning(and then fixing the leaks). Everything was caked with hard desert grease.

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The only problem I had stripping the block was pulling the turbo off of the exhaust manifold. When I went after the first stud, something didn't feel right pulling the wrench, so I look and its turning the one end of the stud out of the manifold, but not the other. I left it because I didn't want to break the bolt off. I think that I'm going to have to take the whole ting to work and torch the nuts off so I don't damage anything.

If the studs are backing out with the nut stuck on, then that's not exactly unusual. It's not particularly worrisome to me, anyway.

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So then the questions begin:
Its probably suggestible to replace the valve seals while the head is off right?

It would expect it to be easier. I did it on an SVO without pulling the head (nor the cam..it won't come out in a Fox3 without lifting the engine) It took a few hours not counting having to build the lever-type spring compressor and spark plug compressed air fitting.

It was also the only job I can recall doing without giving a customary blood offering to the Gods of Speed. They were none too impressed and I got stranded far from home immediately after with my alternator set ablaze.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #71 on: March 07, 2015, 01:12:56 AM »
So I'm making some progress on the motor, its pretty much cleaned off now. Figured out a way to pull the valves out with some custom designed tools. Came up to a bit of trouble trying to remove the seals from the head. I have the valves, springs, keepers, and follower assys all removed, just the seals and head remain together. But I can't figure out a custom tool, or find a ford tool available to pull them without ripping them to shreds. Any suggestions?
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2015, 12:19:34 PM »
So rip them to shreds. They're not expensive and definitely not worth trying to reuse. If they are brittle, they need to be replaced anyway. I think I used pliers the last time...just don't damage the top of the guide.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2015, 11:59:14 PM »
Good news everyone! Well, kinda, the project is still going. I got all of the valve seals done, once I figured out how to get them off. The head is back on the motor, and I'm just looking into some fancy new head bolts to hold it all together.

My roommate managed to spy a wayward '88 turbo coupe in death row in front of the local pickNsquish and a couple days of watching the online inventory like a hawk paid off. The car was dumped in the yard yesterday, and I jumped on It this morning, postponing my appearance at work by a couple hours to swoop in and collect a few choice prizes. All in all I swiped the LA3 computer (manual car), all brown top injectors, the VAM( I couldn't remember if I needed that upgrade or not, didn't mind spending $15 just to make sure) and took the intercooler too just for the hell of it. I also nabbed the fuel pressure regulator, just in case. Those are always in my experience the one part to fail at the worst time, and they are astronomically expensive.

SO higher boost numbers here we come!

Ps: also anything else I should go back for? Everyone's turbo lists seem to have the same base line, but I can never remember after reading so many, exactly which combinations are best for these motors. I think I have everything, but my memory is horrible, and I want to make sure.

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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2015, 02:22:59 PM »
Go back and get the cylinder head and everything attached to it. If I was local, I would be doing it myself and not telling you to.  ;)

The intake and valve cover will fit better under a flat Pinto hood.

And yes, it was a good idea getting the VAM, brown-top injectors, and LA3 together. That is the complete package for an L-series ECU swap.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2015, 09:47:15 PM »
Honestly, I'd go back for ANYTHING you can afford. I'm in So. Cal. where there are a multitude of cars.  I often frequent the two self serve yards near me. I go once a month for the 50% off sale so likely nothing slips by. That said, I have found only ONE Turbo Coupe in the past 2 years. And, if that is what the greater Los Angeles area is offering I can imagine there are less elsewhere. The later exhaust manifold (E6 I believe) are desirable over the earlier version.  The IHI turbo may or may not be to your liking. They are 87-88 only also.

I got my Pinto in late '07. I started the Turbo Coupe conversion in early '08.  At that time I could find about 5 T/C's every time I went to the yards.  Then by mid 08 they quickly trickled down to one or two per visit. Then maybe one every other visit. Then a few a year and now one in the past two years.  We need to remember that even the newest T/C ('88) is 27 years old! And that makes the '83's 32 years old.  They aren't going to be around forever.

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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #76 on: April 24, 2015, 11:41:07 AM »
Hey, just rounding up some parts and I'm wondering if the oil pan from a mustang 2 would fit, or does it have to be a pinto pan?
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2015, 12:25:04 PM »
If your talking about a 2.3L, the answer is yes they are the same.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #78 on: December 19, 2015, 06:22:59 PM »
Hey guys. I know April to December, it has been a while, but I figured you might like to know what is going on with the car. The old v6 auto combo is out. Pulled it out last week and the new 4 cyl is ready to go in, once I do some cleaning and prep work on the engine bay. I'm still trying to come up with a solution on the engine mount front. I keep running searches and talking to anyone I can but I'm still not solidly sold on how this motor is going in. I have the '79 v6 bolt on mount holes from the stock motor, along with the mounts and such from the engine, along with the engine mounts complete to the frame rail from the thunderbird donor car (1985). Ive been told that the pinto 4 cylinder mounts may bolt in, they may need to be welded in, that they need to be some sort of witchcraft. I don't know. What I do know is that the t-bird mounts may not work at all. I've been too busy to attempt to bolt the new motor in, and now that I think of it, I might put out a call on the local kijiji to see if anyone in the area has a junk block I could buy for fitment purposes. Although for all I know I'm the first one to attempt this exact swap.

The new motor is ready. Bought a oil pan-pickup tube combo from a gentleman in Airdrie just north of Calgary. Who bought the 4 engines, trailer full of parts and remaining car out of 6 that he bought from, as luck would have it, the same estate my car came from. Haha small world.

Here's a couple pictures of the progress from the last few months. Sorry it's been taking so long, the price of oil has finally hit my profession and between layoffs, and moving jobs, and the horror of finding a new job its been hard to get to the project. I'm sure I'm not the only one taking a hit up here.







Speaking of which, anyone in the general area want a running cologne v6/auto combo... the transmission does have problems, but I've heard they have the nice governor that runs really high rpm...
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #79 on: December 19, 2015, 07:12:50 PM »
Also! I forgot as well, when I was still driving the car, I could never leave it locked, the modifications to the door handles, installing a modernised exterior handle deleted the key tumblers, and I would have had no way to get back into my own car. I played around with the idea of installing the stereotypical "secret button" like the one car that was on the "list" from Gone in 60 Seconds. Just walk up, slide my hand in somewhere, and click goes the lock. As I'm disconnecting the old motor, I was acutely aware that the "original" v6 had been replaced, or something, along with the addition of a selection of gauges, so there where a few random wires strewn about the engine bay. He had also installed a fuel pressure gauge, probably to monitor the system with a fresh motor, that included about 4 feet of fuel line extra between the bottom corner of the block and the carb. This caused the car to vapour lock on more than one warm occasion during the summer.

There I go rambling again. Door locks yes. The front grille had some damage that I noticed when I bought the car, just missing a small section of the slats, but I had never taken the chance to inspect it beyond this. Turns out someone before me had the exact same idea. There is a button hidden in behind the grille mounted with the hood release, wired to you guessed it, a pirated door lock release hidden behind the door panel, riveted to the door structure. The wiring is broken at several places, and not supplied with power from anywhere I could find. But none the less I didn't care what was going on in the world, I was as happy as the day I signed the bill of sale to buy the car!

I'm going to go to the local registry office and pay for what's called a VIR search. Pretty much $25 and it tells me where the vin code was registered, what year, and if I'm unbelievably lucky the mileage when it was registered. The search can go back 25 years, if the registries have the records updated to include their previous paper records. Sometimes they do, most times, they stay in their boxes, gathering dust. But one can only hope...
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #80 on: December 19, 2015, 10:13:31 PM »
Ive been told that the pinto 4 cylinder mounts may bolt in, they may need to be welded in, that they need to be some sort of witchcraft. I don't know.

Welding is only needed for '71-73 models because they never had the 2.3 as an option. You already have the frame mounts in your car because they are the same for '74-80 2.3 and 2.8 Pintos. The rubber engine mounts are the same too.

The v6 vs. 2.3 block brackets I'm not sure about.

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What I do know is that the t-bird mounts may not work at all.

They'll work if you fabricate something completely custom for the frame mounts. I almost went that direction before a member here offered to trade a set of 2.3 mounts for my 2.0 parts. Fortunately I had used a spot weld cutter to remove the frame brackets intact and straight instead of a hammer and chisel like so many horror stories I hear about.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #81 on: December 26, 2015, 01:08:43 PM »
Hey got a lead on some engine mounts a couple hours north of here, with a possible line on shipping. He has a complete rotating 2.3 engine. Is there anything else I should grab? I already have the pan and pick up tube. But I can't think of anything else I would need.

Well, that was a couple days ago. I'm getting the mounts as soon as everything opens up again after Christmas here to ship them. And I was also looking at buying a clutch online, considering in store prices are atrocious around here, even on boxing day. The local Mopac, best they can do is like 12% off. almost shouldn't have even asked. I'm seeing a couple of clutches on ebay that would work for me but I had a question about the sizing. There are two I was looking at and they have almost identical specs except for the clutch outside diameter. One is 9 inches and the other is 9 1/4 inches. Now my original clutch is measured to 9 inches but would it really matter to the point of if I buy an aftermarket flywheel as well. Would it have to be upsized to match the 9 or the 9 1/4? Or does it matter?
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #82 on: December 28, 2015, 12:28:10 AM »
I think 9.25" is just the max size for a stock flywheel. A stock replacement clutch kit should fit on a stock flywheel.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2016, 10:48:30 PM »
HEY progress... bit by bit. The old motor is far out, the new one in. Painted up the pan and the mounts. It'll probably come back out though. theres no transmission on it and I want to throw a metal head gasket into it too. But hey its in...






Even managed to bolt the v6 power steering pump into the t-bird mount brackets. Hoping it'll work, but hey that's what hot-rodding is all about. Try and try again. I'm looking into the wiring harness to see what needs to be omitted for my local lax emissions laws and such. Also have to splice in the alternator and connect power through the body harness. I'm going to forgo a key and build in a complex starting sequence with hidden switches. One of those row of un-labeled switches on the dash connected to lights that I roll through turning to the passenger with a "buckle up" look on my face. haha
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #84 on: February 24, 2016, 09:55:12 PM »
Not sure if the 79 has the same clearance issue, on the passenger fender, as the 76, but if so... Are you going to cut and patch the fender? Or use another exhaust manifold, that won't require fender modification?
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #85 on: February 25, 2016, 10:59:33 PM »
@76 I don't think there are any issues, at least I didn't see any when I dangled the manifold turbo combo in the bay beyond the usual heater motor issues. It seems that no matter how many people do an engine swap in how many different combinations, the one that you end up with always has some oddball issue that is specific to your build. They don't call us hot rodders for nothing.

Speaking of which I spent all of last night working on the car. The 6.75" rear is loose in the vehicle now, and I think I'm prepped to put the new one in. Some comparison issues I have found is the lower shock mounts are different from mustang to pinto. The pintos have the integral threaded rod and the mustangs use a bolt-nut combo through a bushing. I have pictures to compare. The only thing I'm not sure of is if the upper mounts are identical or not. I can't remember from pulling the 8" from the mustang. I'm thinking the change up with the lowers is just for the heavier rear end, but like I say I'm not sure.

I also seem to have stumbled on a rather resistant Drum brake. It seems to not want to release itself from the axle. And I need it to since its keeping me from disconnecting the e-brake cable. That e-brake cable is wrapped around the springs, which I have decided to keep in place. The donor springs from the mustang are 8" too short to be bolt ins. The v6 wagon springs should hold up.

The lower spring mounts and outside dimensions of the old and new axle shafts are identical so the u-bolts I took out can be used as templates. Now just to find a metal shop in town that can turn my intake manifold...

I'll post pictures when I can.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #86 on: February 26, 2016, 12:07:38 AM »
If you can work with just a 90 deg. turn on the intake, I posted pics on my build thread of my "adaptation". Pretty easy to do. I have the old pinto alt. bracket though.

 As for the stuck brake drum, I've had some luck with removing the brake fluid line, and using whatever fitting is needed to hook to a vacuum pump back up to the wheel cylinder. Pump it out, and tap it at the same time. Not a sure thing, but worth a shot.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #87 on: February 26, 2016, 04:51:42 AM »
Another method of removing a brake drum stuck to axle hub is to heat up the face of the drum with a torch while avoiding heating the axle hub.  When it releases, I usually hear a pleasant little ping/clink.  I used a oxy-acetylene torch but a propane torch may work also.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #88 on: February 26, 2016, 04:36:48 PM »
I also know of some choice cuss words, that if applied in the right cadence and at the appropriate volume, are very helpful.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #89 on: February 26, 2016, 08:12:13 PM »
Not sure if the 79 has the same clearance issue, on the passenger fender, as the 76, but if so... Are you going to cut and patch the fender? Or use another exhaust manifold, that won't require fender modification?

Are you talking about where the turbo is?

I know the IHI turbos' wastegate actuator will cause clearance problems, but I think we're all using T3s in this thread and they have the actuator closer to the engine. I modified the bay before even test-fitting my engine, but the T3s don't look to me like they would be guaranteed hit the inner fender. Close, most definitely.
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