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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2014, 01:16:35 PM »
It won't be hard with a wiring diagram. Scroll down to "PEtoLA.pdf":

http://www.rothfam.com/svo/reference/

An '86 ECU schematic is on the last page of the pdf. Then you can just grab a connector and find the pins in the ECU plug.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2014, 10:08:54 PM »
woohoo! you guys are awesome! speaking of wiring harnesses, what are you guys doing for a dash cluster. obviously the speedo isnt compatible. are you just using the turbo coupe dash, or custom building your own?
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2014, 11:38:21 PM »
I planned on adding an aftermarket tach and gauges myself. I did see somewhere where someone put TC gauges in the Pinto cluster though.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2014, 09:27:08 AM »
Sniped a diff from pick n pull this weekend. Out of a '79 mustang giha. It's an 8"!

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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2014, 05:36:27 AM »
If you need work / help with it, contact Dario in Calgary. Supposed to be good & is a fellow Pinto guy.

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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2014, 07:54:14 AM »
I'm still trying to process the idea of you using a Chevy Vega as your parts hauler! :o
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« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2014, 11:41:16 AM »
Haha hey say what you want. I was raised on Ford for breakfast lunch and dinner, but that damned Vega is the best runner I've had. I've towed everything in that car. And the diff fit like a glove. I've even slept in it multiple times and had it in two major Canada day car shows.

It's a completely stock 1977 Vega Hatchback 4 cyl 4 speed. Black leather interior and bright orange outside. And it's unrestored. Sat in a garage for 15 years. Still has the experimental aluminum/silicone block, cast head and hypereutectic pistons. Early motors where sleeveless!
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2014, 07:58:29 PM »
Did you know they were shipped on end ?

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« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2014, 08:46:59 PM »
yup. I still have the winshield washer bottle thats at a 45 degree angle. they came with a V11 option code, its the verti-pack system.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2014, 09:24:43 PM »
Hopefully your MII 8" doesn't need a pinion seal like mine did. Kind of a pain to replace that one. I bought a 0-60 inch-pound beam torque wrench just so I could do it right.  ::)
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2014, 01:36:30 AM »
Well, if I was ever going to own a Vega, you have the one I would want: final year of production (the problems had been resolved), 4 speed transmission, and my much-loved orange with black interior color scheme!  My best friend had a 1977 and swore it was one of the best cars he ever had.  I don't think I ever drove a late model one - I was selling Lincoln-Mercury products in the late seventies and we took a number of the earlier ones in as trade-ins on Bobcats.  I drove some of them and they were the pits!  I'm glad you've had a successful and happy relationship with yours!
 
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2014, 07:50:42 AM »
Well, if I were to ever have one(would have to be a wagon)a V-8 swap would be the first thing to happen to it.. :D
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« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2014, 11:38:43 PM »
damn i hate how life gets in the way. havent gotten anything done on the car, but i have learned alot from other people. Turns out i dont need the mass of vacuum lines and dashpots, spoke to a guy with an 86 tc that had a few upgrades, open exhaust, ported head, stripped interior, and he said he pulled his pesky egr system off, and just blocked off the ports on the intake and exhaust manifolds. pulling the sensors didnt do a damn thing to the computer, and since up here in jolly old Canada, we dont have emissions tests -yet- i think thats the route im going to go. I will admit i was a tad destructive when it came to those little plastic airlines that go along the firewall, and did not relish re-routing everything just so that it would work one bit, never mind hiding it all. now that i have all of the major parts, i just have to find myself a set of engine mounts and a 2.3 pan to fit the pinto crossmember, and i should have everything to start the transplant.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2014, 05:31:49 AM »
Flog (sell) the pick up so you have room to work on your car !  ;D

Should have seen the look of surprise on me when I dropped by to pick a couple doors up at his place. I had no idea he had this car. Opened the shop door & there it is !
Cool !

Remember I asked what the hole was for in the right inner fender ?
Still not sure, but looks like venting ?
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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2014, 06:30:36 PM »
I will admit i was a tad destructive when it came to those little plastic airlines that go along the firewall, and did not relish re-routing everything just so that it would work one bit, never mind hiding it all.

Those plastic vacuum tubes turn to glass after 10 years anyway and 20+ year-old cars always have some broken and/or repaired ones.

One nice thing about the age of these engines and ECUs is that they are not terribly whiny about having every little tiny thing working all the time. By the same token, sometimes they're not sensitive enough about tell you what failed and is making the car run badly...
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« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2014, 06:51:22 PM »
Yeah haha the Mazda is loooong gone. Thankfully. Now I just need to find time from work to get going on the pinchero.
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« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2014, 11:35:21 PM »
So I've been doing some research and just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with Stinger Performance Clutches. Or if you guys have any suggestions for a place to go that is known for having a good product.

I was looking at stingers stage 3 clutch. Its a 6 puck deal with a  400plus torque rating. One of those things where id like to do it once, and never pull it out again.

Also do you think that I should drop $350 into a light-weight flywheel, or would machining my OEM one be okay. The original looks to be in alright condition, and really would only need to be surfaced. I don't mind a little extra rotational weight, but by the same token, if I'm going to do it, why not do it once. I'm just not 100% sure on how deep I should go.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2014, 09:59:41 PM »
When done you will have the weight of a V8 in the front....and have a 4 cyl ricer sound !

Got me 3 302w blocks now.....you need help ?

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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2014, 11:43:20 AM »
A 2.3 bottom end won't split down the middle at 500rwhp though. ;) Several years ago a member on TF made 597rwhp on a stock 2.3 shortblock before it hurt the bearings.

1.) So I've been doing some research and just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with Stinger Performance Clutches. Or if you guys have any suggestions for a place to go that is known for having a good product.

I was looking at stingers stage 3 clutch. Its a 6 puck deal with a 400plus torque rating. One of those things where id like to do it once, and never pull it out again.

2.) Also do you think that I should drop $350 into a light-weight flywheel, or would machining my OEM one be okay. The original looks to be in alright condition, and really would only need to be surfaced. I don't mind a little extra rotational weight, but by the same token, if I'm going to do it, why not do it once. I'm just not 100% sure on how deep I should go.

1.) Stinger's clutches are made by SPEC who makes wide variety of aftermarket clutches for other vehicles. I have not used them myself, but I seem to recall they have a generally positive reputation.

2.) Aside from 400hp, what do you realistically want out of the car? I think a billet flywheel of some sort would be a good idea at the power level you're shooting for, but that doesn't mean it has to be aluminum. Ram makes a billet steel one that would save you around US$100 and is still less than a pound heavier than the SPEC aluminum one. Fidanza also offers a steel one, but I can't find a weight for it.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2014, 11:08:49 PM »
2)realistically not much more, I want good streetability, within reason. I realise that with a heavier duty clutch its really not going to be "streetable" for some, but I'm pretty young(25) and Ive driven my Vega for 2 summers straight with the original clutch in it. And if you haven't driven a 1970's clutch, id like to say its at least comparable to a racing / multi pack clutch. The springs take a-lot- of force to overcome. Traffic sucks. Haha. Really I want the car to surprise the general public who thinks that its just another slow '70s car. theres a lot of import guys around here that need the smirk scrubbed off of their faces.

Right now it'll probably come out of the garage with a little over 200 horse and comparable torque numbers. I'm just getting the heavier duty parts together so that when I do decide to bolt on the fun stuff (intercoolers, ignition upgrades, computers, bigger turbo) that it wont immediately grenade the parts I overlooked. Build it now, don't break it later.  8)

Overall, I'd like the general look of the car to stay the same, trying to hide the motor under the stock hood. That 8" diff should hide under the back end nicely. Maybe-maybe some slightly wider tires in the rear end. Until the car has been on the road for a while, probably just subframe connectors. I'll wait until I approach the 300HP/TQ range to Fab a roll cage. The cars structure around the front end is still untouched, but that back end will need to be strengthened if I go too far, so staying under that mark, I should be okay. The nice part I think about this build is that I'm starting with a v6 model, so its got the upgraded front end, (v6 springs/ anti roll bar) and the rear end that is going in was pulled from a '79 mustang 2 ghia with a 302 v8 auto, but I snagged the v8 anti roll bar, and the springs/spring perches. So unless the springs don't fit, that'll be a -hopefully- bolt in application. It'll get a rebuild as well, not like its leaking or anything, but I suspect it has atrocious highway gears, and its an open carrier too, so ill grab an LSD or locker when I get it opened up. Obviously the driveshaft will have to be custom made, oh well. The t5 that came with the turbo motor needs a rebuild, and I'm looking at going so far as having a shop build it for warranty purposes, and they can put new bearings into it as well. Get the good stuff.  Clean up the motor, maybe tweak a few things, although even in its stock form, I was surprised at how hard it pulled in the t-bird, I could probably throw it in without touching it performance wise, and be happier than a clam. Interior wise, gauges will be custom, as previously noted, ill have to go without a Speedo for the time being, unless I can find something along the way. (shouldn't be an issue, the Vega's Speedo disconnected itself a month before I stored it this year) if possible id like to keep the center console, I don't mind if I have to modify its location. The original seats will be coming out (they're rough) and ill throw some light weight bucket seats in. Carpet will come out too, and ill rock guard the floors once they get cleaned up and patched (theres a small hole under the heel point at the gas pedal). But the rest of the drivers and passengers floors are surface rusty, but solid. At least solid enough to resist the blunt force of a 32 oz. ball peen hammer.

Its not really meant to be a cruiser car, I've had a lot of nice cushy cars that get you from here to there in a great modicum of comfort. I'd rather build something that adds a little spice to my life, you know?
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« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2014, 11:13:22 PM »
Also on another note, I was bored last weekend, it decided to snow here. I was over at the local farmers market, talking to the decals guy, who happened to have mentioned he was pretty good at custom stuff. I thought I would throw him a bone and see what he could come up with for an emblem for the little truck that could. What came out is the best money I have ever spent on a decal. I'm almost afraid ford might try to sue me hahaha  8) :-X

They're 8 inches tall and 28 inches wide. One should fit nicely along the back window on the top.

The grin on my face was as big as the day I brought the car home!
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« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2014, 06:49:37 AM »
Very cool.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2014, 10:30:13 AM »
Looks good!


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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2014, 08:19:39 PM »
Looks good !

Got a Rock Auto news letter e-mailed to me today. Header has a grey car like yours. If you do not get it, text me your e-mail & I'll forward it to you.

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« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2014, 11:10:44 PM »
Ooh cool ill have to see that. I don't know what happened to the car once I traded it off. I guess the guy was going to do the same conversion as I was but opted to use a TC tbird with an auto transmission.

Not much has happened with the car, I've signed off in my mind that the whole project is going to my work when I get the parts together. The motor swap will happen there, and then ill tow the car home to put the rear end in.  From there it'll get the finishing touches at my garage.  Its nice to have access to a full shop and a nice welder trolley, mig, stick, aluminum. Heck we even have an oxy-acetylene torch if I really want to get destructive.

Still need the motor mounts, oil pan and oil pick up tube to make any progess. Saving up a bit for the transmission rebuild kit. I was looking at a couple and figure that a base rebuild kit gives me all of the synchros and jazz that I need. The premium kit gets me bearings and all of that stuff. But I'm not sure I really need to get the bearings replaced too. I also think this week I'm going to give a trans shop a call and see what It might cost me to have them rebuild it. I don't mind getting my own hands dirty, and often prefer it, but warranties are such a beautiful thing. Haha.
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« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2014, 11:32:02 PM »
interesting project :)  !!

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« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2014, 12:14:26 AM »
Okay. So I'm making it somewhere? Yeah somewhere. I've decided that I want to try to get the car driveable for Canada Day 2015. I'm very involved in The car show in Granum Alberta, and since I feel the Vega isn't able to make the trip again with the original Valve seals, I want to take the newly minted Pinchero. The garage has been cleaned out, and I've started tearing down the motor. Was looking around the old internets, and found an awesome deal on an engine regasked kit:

http://www.northernautoparts.com/part/gs-260-1162

50% off, can't complain there. And I do like felpro's product.   I might look around to see if I can find a heavier duty head gasket. I can see a fair amount of higher boost conditions in the cars future. Haha. One thing I'm contemplating going to do is throw in some new head studs. Took a quick look at ARP because well, quality is a nice thing, and they had three listings for 2.3L ford motors. Regular 2300 pinto studs and undercut 12 point 2300 pinto studs, and some Zetec motor things that I paid no attention to at all.

Might you guys have Any suggestions on some good products or direction on which ones I should look into? Or am I going to have to pull the motor apart to distinguish between normal cut (?) or undercut studs.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2014, 09:12:34 AM »
Get your self a Fel Pro 1035 head gasket. That's Fel Pro's 2.3 race head gasket. Do a search cause its hi $$$$ and I've seen it as low as $53 and as hi as $80. Its what all of the racers use. More than that I would o ring the block or go to a copper gasket.
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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2014, 01:59:28 PM »
quote"and the rear end that is going in was pulled from a '79 mustang 2 ghia with a 302 v8 auto, but I snagged the v8 anti roll bar, and the springs/spring perches. So unless the springs don't fit, that'll be a -hopefully- bolt in application."unquoute

Ah, typo? In 79 there wasn't a Mustang II. That was the first of the fox bodies. And not an 8inch rear.
If it was a typo and it is from a II, the leaf springs do not work on a Pinto.

Sounds like you are headed in the right direction though. My Pinto is on hold due to buying a 72 Ranchero daily driver that needs work to keep it a daily driver.

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RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.
74 Pinto Wagon.  To be or Not to be a Pinchero, that is the question.

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Re: 1979 Turbo Pinchero project
« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2014, 06:48:36 PM »
I read over on the Mustang II site that the Mustang II rear springs are the same as a Pinto wagon. Several people said that was the way you got stiffer springs for a Mustang II. Easy to check out.
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