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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Picking a Pinto for a V8 Swap!

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apintonut

Quote from: pintobassdude on June 26, 2008, 06:48:45 PM
where can I find interior parts for a pinto? I plan on doing all black and will probably just buy black seat covers, or maybe black racing buckets.





u and every one els here i have 4 car that have had black interior and still dont have the rear side panel for a hatch but i do have 3 sets for a sedan. 
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

pintobassdude

Hey Guys!

It has been a while since I have posted!

I have finally convinced my dad and he said my idea is cool!

I am going to tub the car out(to fit the meats) and do all the neccessary mods for it

If I put a 302 or 351 will I need to add sub frame connectors for better stability? ANd I STILL CAN'T decide whether or not to go 302 or 351 although I think the 351 would be harder to find(i went to a local yard yesterday and the only 302 they had was in a 93 F150 and it wasn't running, would this be worth picking up?

I know the C4 is an auto but would it be possible to change the valve body to manual?

And one more quicky! are the header swap kits still being made? and where can I find interior parts for a pinto? I plan on doing all black and will probably just buy black seat covers, or maybe black racing buckets.

I cannot wait to get this thing on the road! It is all I think about! :devil:


douglasskemp

60s Mustangs had 8 inchers in them, even with the 271 horse HiPo 289
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

High_Horse

I used the 302/c4 combination. My car had a single track 8 inch rear end which was stock with the v6....my engine with 2 barral carb and stock exhaust manifolds puts out between 150 and 170 horse. I have been beating it trying to get it to fail and it did not.
Of course I have not been neutral dropping at all. Now I have posi...8 inch. I am not spinning my wheels off the line which means it jumps off the line. Considering the weight of the car I don't see the need for a 9 inch.

                                                                                      High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Cookieboystoys

The seats themselves weigh very little - maybe 20lbs but the metal plate the seats mount to, the part that goes up and down when you put the seat down weighs more than the seats themselves I would guess or close to the same. I would guess a 40lbs savings by removing the rear seats. Since the seats are in the middle of the car and the weight would distribute to all 4 tires I suspect the full weight of the seats would make little or no difference when considering the weight/traction issue to the rear tires but consider... it may be handy to have rear seats considering the "driver" status you have planned.

If you do remove the seats you would either have an empty space where the seats were or you would build a box to cover it up and look nice.. if you build a cover for the empty spot where the seats were you then negate some if not all of the weigh savings. However in a V8 swap many do relocate the battery to the back (right over the power wheel has been suggested before for weight/traction) but you could move the battery to the rear seat location..build a box to cover and then you'll have a perfect place to mount some speakers... just some thoughs I had...

The 9" would add weight (have seen that mentioned here before) not sure if the 9" would be required for a mild 300-350hp or not... and I would think the C4 would be fine but....

I will let others with more experience answer the 9" & C4 question...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

pintobassdude

You guys got any suggestions on keeping the back seats? or how about the C4 tranny? and would a 9 inch rear be overkill for a mild 302 that will hopefully make 300-350 hp? I am thinking the 9 inch rear would help add some weight to the rear as well and same with the rear seats. but if I take out the rear seats will it really be that much of a difference?

Any other help would be greatly appreciated!



bogeylogey

I have a 75 with black interior and cherry red ext.  12,500 original miles logan

pintobassdude

Hey Guys!

This is me again except I am using a different account because I wanted to change my email address. Any other suggestions for what I was asking?

Thanks!

Andrew

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: High_Horse on June 05, 2008, 09:44:53 AM
Cookieboy has a v6 wagon that is just iching for a conversion.

Thanks High Horse, I offered but he's looking for a car in better condition, interior/exterior, than my 78 Cruising Wagon. He just wants to do the conversion and not deal with interior, body and paint... can't say as I blame him  ;)
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

FCANON

Any Brown Pinto is good for a V8 convertion....they are more stealth.

I have to say the extra weight of back of a wagon makes the car feel more stable than the sedans or hatchs.

I too have done a  half dozen V8 swaps and a couple turbo swaps.

FrankBoss
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High_Horse

Pintoinyoface.
   The easiest swap is a v6 pinto...it already has the front suspention and 8 inch rear end...a v6 wagon is best. i used the 302/c4 combination. The tranny mount needs only to be flipped around bacwards and that is the optimum position for the 302/c4. I used rigid motor and tranny mounts I made myself...all my work is documented here in projects for your reveiw but it is in seperate threads cause i did not know any beter at the time. Cookieboy has a v6 wagon that is just iching for a conversion. id be happy to answer any questions...my car can be seen and driven at the upcomming Tulsa central regional meet.

                                                                                               High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

rkk

I did a pinto V8 swap years ago and it was pretty simple as for as motor swaps go.  Just recently did a 2.3 turbo swap into my 76 and find that a lot more satisfying.  It handles better eaiser to drive and just as fast.
But it all depends what you like.  When I did the V8 swap I used a 302 with a C4 the only clearance problem was the fire wall that you mentioned but I just moved it up with a ball peen hammer (it doesn't need much clearance).  I used a 9" rear out of a 57 ford which is about the same length axle to axle.  At that time hooker made a kit for the swap that included the headers.  Not sure if that is still available.  radiator was the biggest problem and I think I found one out of a salvage yard from a 67 mustang.  I didn't have a big budget at the time but most of it can be put together with realively inexpensive parts.  You can also go the extreme and do a pro-street type car but you get into alot of money with tubs, frame suspension etc.  So it just depends how much money you have to spend.
But $ for $ I think the 2.3 turbo is the way to go.  I love mine.  Hope this helps somewhat.
1976 TURBO PINTO
1969 AMC AMX not a pinto, but I like it, fast for not being a FORD (It's different just like a PINTO)

Lost Coz

Check out this article.....I believe it will answer a lot of your questions. Have fun!

http://www.geocities.com/g_wellwood/automotive/v8pinto.html
"Pintos are cool!"

1973 Pinto Wagon
1974 Pinto Wagon
1975 Pinto Wagon
74 Pinto Wagon for parts

pintoinyoface

Okay guys, well I cannot hold on any longer. I am going to purchase a pinto (as soon as I have the money that is! which hopefully should be soon!)

I have a few more questions that I hope some of you will be willing to answer!

1) first off. I cannot decide on which year pinto to pick up. I know that the ones before 74 need modding done to the firewall to fit the tranny, but I hear with a C4 tranny that you just need to bend the bottom lip a little to fit it --iS this only on 74 and up pintos or does this tranny provide effortless installation for all years of pinto?

2) I cannot decide whether I should pick up a 302 or a 351 windsor. Would the 351 make for even worse handling due to the weight? will it guzzle much more gas than the 302? I feel that the windsor would probably be easier to find but in worse condition whereas I can find a 302 in a 5.0 mustang in decent condition probably.

3) I do not know fudge all about trannys. I hear you guys mentioning the C4 alot. Is that a manual? how many gears is it? and can it be converted to have a manual valve body? If not are there manual ford tranny's that are the same size as C4's?

4) Rear ends.. Either a Ford *8 inch or 9 inch. I think I will go with 9 because some guy said if you have some power and fat sticky tires it will be easy to tear apart a 8 inch.

5) exhaust. I will probably just fab my own exhaust, but where do most of you pinto guys run your exhaust? out the back or out the sides in front of the rear tires? This is just an aesthetical question as I haven't been able to find many nice pinto pictures where the exhaust can be seen

6) Interior wise, this pinto would ideally have a black one, but I know that will harddd to find. What are some interior colours common to the pinto? are they radical 70's colurs? if so are seat covers and interior replacement parts available for pintos as there are for other more popular old cars? I am thinking of painting the car either bright yellow or a nice plum/purple!

also I know most pinto are very small inside. Do they come wth rear seats? Would you guys suggest keeping the rear seats in for added rear weight for better handling? or will it not make a difference if I remove them? If I do remove them I will probably buy some nice summit racing buckets to put in the front and throw a some speakers or a nitrous bottle back there in the future!

Thanks guys, I know this is a long read with alot of questions that have probably been asnwered before. I have read through the forums. But I would really appreciate if you guys could offer up some serious advice on this stuff before I buy this car. I know that putting a v8 into a pinto is alottt of work! but if its doable and you guys can offer up some concreate advice and solid guidelines then I am GOIN FOR IT!!

thanks a bunch!

Andrew